Sold it

Bitter sweet day - miss her already - pics of the new ride coming soon, I am out getting used to her Hint Guads Red

Ed, good for you if that is what you really wanted to do. If not, I'm sorry to hear that! There, I covered both bases! BTW, the yellow GT2 wing will really pop on a red car!

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Oh god, he bought an 80's model 924

congrats!......... who bought it?

Congrats! You already bought the new car? Damn that was fast, or were you already two-timing!

I know how tough it is... Good on you for choosing to do it... Now on to important things... post pics please!

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Jeez, and no demands for pics???? You're going soft in you old age!!!

looking forward the pictures................................

It doesn't exist without PICS! Looking forward to seeing it!

as promised - sorry I took the pics as I pulled her into the garage for the first time... I put about 200 miles on it today - My son was checking out the wax job (which he said "sucked") I know what he can do anyhow - it is what it is 86' C2 coupe with olive grey inside - took me 20 minutes to figure out how to turn the radio off (down) its something fancy... everything else is stock. Great service history, clean record, not a 996 and sure as hell not MY 996 (which btw was an awesome car) first time I drove it was after I bought it - wasnt worried, knew it would be differant. SO - the deal is the old owner of my car was driving this we agreed on a trade... he (his wife) wanted the old car back... then after he saw it he wanted it back, and i wanted this car which he bought in january but his wife didnt like - the PO was a client at my indy and I have sevice record back to 1990 - super clean (for a 24 y/o car) instant love affair - and its not a Honda sorry Tim

sweet!..... you have to give us your impression, must be a total different animal altogether..... you still gonna be around right? hope you took lots of pics of the 996, youve done so much to her.

Thanks Ferd.... yea... I will be, we'll see how fun these air cooled guys are (after all that talk ) I loved my 996 and we have an agreement that if he sells it I get first shot. I really missed it and watching it drive off was really painful - I have about 800 pics of it. so I should be OK plus I know the guy and we plan to keep in touch (though you know how that sometimes doesnt always work out as planned) anyhow - awe.... yea...... major not the same car......MAJOR!

Shifty now aren't you. This must be a plan to have the wife say she wants a 996 or 997 so it will be a better ride, Then you wont be able to sell the red 86 C2 dues to listing it at $70,000. Are you going to be able to install a progressive suspension or anything else for performance? Any track time coming up to get the feel of the car skipping months of ho hum city driving to get the feel? What wardrobe changes are in the future? Now you need at least a red jacket or shoes Are there any already done mods to the engine? What what what?????

when you put some miles and seat time on her.... let us know what you think about the old and new. I always wanted an air cooler ever since I drove a 965. Again congrats! Dont be bashful posting pics of the 3.2? Its only us....

Woah what happened?!? I guess I missed the whole story as to how you ended up with the 911!

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I always had a 911 (just not a red one)

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Haha! Don't tell the air-cooled guys that!!!

Hi Ed, 996 is reunited with its Italian former stablemate...except there is now a race car sharing the space as well. At least, it is a P-car. You surely took care of this car. Well-done! I'll do the same. Who knows, we might be swapping again or doing another deal at some point. I'll be in touch. Mike PS Just FYI for everybody in this thread, I sold the 996 to Ed a couple of years ago. Buying the car again, I find it very interesting how things line up at times.

I almost bought an 83 SC Guards Red. I've always wanted one. Very Cool, Ed!

Man Mike... that is beautiful!! Thanks a bunch, I had a great day with the new one.... really, but sure will miss the 996 - how did you like the way she drives

Did you sell Mike the rights to your sig pic?

Gonna have to make a new one BTW was the old one cool or did you not like it?

Very cool. It will be hard to top. Did you take the photo yourself?

Holy cow - this is huge news. I was an air head for about 11 years before I switched to the 996. Two things are for certain: 1) I won't go back to air. 2) I will absolutely have another air cooled car one day. The 3.2 litre 911 is a really really good car, but like your 996, it will need some mods to be a really really great car. As you have noticed, there is a significant performance gap between what I assume is a stock 3.2 Carrera and your old modified 996. If (when) I get another 911 these are the things I will do immediately: 1) remove the AC system (all of it) and the rear seat backs. These are heavy and of not much use. Keep this stuff in boxes for the next guy. 2) Replace stock torsion bars with 22/28 (F/R) bars. You can go as big as 24/30 even. Maybe some bigger sway bars, but the Torsion bars are key. 3) Install Bilstien heavy duty shocks. 4) Find some wider Fuchs. The stock 6/7 setup is bare minumim. 7/8 is good, 8/9 is great, but rare and expensive. 5) Make sure the throttle opens all the way when the pedal is to the floor. Judging by the photos of the PO garage, I wouldn't think this will be a problem, but I do know my buddy imported a Clubsport from Europe and the throttle mechanism on that car was stopping early because it was hitting a hose clamp. 6) Lose the stock exhaust with cats, and install SSI heat exchangers and an appropriate muffler. Don't worry, it will pass the smog test. 7) Replace the plastic cup at the bottom of your shift lever. 8) Check to make sure the PO installed Turbo tie rods, and if not then do so. Doing the above bits will wake your 911 up. It may even start to feel fast, but you'll have to keep your foot planted in it deep and long to get close to the feeling you had with your 996. If you want to call yourself a real Porsche man, then you have to pay your air cooled dues. Good on you Ed, I'm jealous.You'll be looking down your nose at us in no time! Oh yeah....the Pelican 911 board really is excellent.v

So what happens now? What next, you going to trade again and buy the ferrari this summer? Any chance this was just some early spring fever and you'll be hanging around the dealership looking at new cars soon? I think a move like this requires more than just pictures. A good video from inside the car taking some turns would be nice. You could just have a camera running in the car after a valet driver goes to park it and I'm sure we'll get some good video

Even swap???...I don't get it???

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I do...a good 99 996 will cost in the low 20's and, so will a good 86. I think the same hold strue if the cars were tatty actually. Notice I said "will cost" and not "is worth". 915 equipped 3.2 Carreras are actually quite rare. I've been looking pretty much every day at 911's for sale for the last several years. More for interests's sake than any real intent to purchase, but I've been scouring craigslist and the various classifieds specifically tracking the values for the 1977 through 1989 models. Before rthatthe cars weren't galvanized so I'm not interested. In my searches I see: 1) A few 1977 cars, not cheap enough. $12K - 17K is typical. 2) A lot of 78-79 SC's. The prices range from $7K to $24K, with what looks like good cars available for $15K-$17K. 3) Very few 80-83 SC's - not enough to predict typical prices. 4) Very few 84-86 Carreras (the 915 cars) - not enough to predict typical prices. I've been *specifically* looking for one of these for less than $20K and I think I've seen one in the last year and a bit. 5) A few 87-89 Carreras (the G50 cars) - very few prices less than $20K, mostly priced in the low $20's, some priced into the $30s. Most people will say the G50 Carreras are better than the 915 Carreras, and they'd be right....except that the G50 cars are heavier, and as the cars aged they lost a bit of their raw feel. I personally prefer a good 915 to a G50 but I wouldn't pay more for one.. **Add a transmission fluid swap to Swepco 201 to my list above by the way - if it hasn't been done yet. The 3.2 litre motors were very reliable. They need valve guides at 100K miles usually, and apparently the rod bolts can get a bit stretchy under severe load, but both of these issues only get talked about when comparing the 3.2 to the 3.0 SC motor that preceded it. The 3.0 is pretty much the gold standard for durability, and not just in the Porsche world. The 3.2 is a close second. Anyway - long post. I can totally understand a straight swap.

Nice Ed...you finally did the deal. It's called regession going from water -cooled to air- cooled. Congrats, it's still a Porsche, still a 911...just a bit older. Thanks for the pics.

Ed, you got that instead of a Honda???? Good move! Congrats! Nice looking car! Now get the hell out of here and go ovet to the "air suckers" fourm! No, you can stay here. Who else am I going to give a hard time about buying parts that don't fit? Great looking car!

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O.K. but that's a lot of HP to give up...

My old 79 SC sold recently for $35k with under 50k miles. I sold it in 98 for $18,250 with 38k miles.

Congrats Ed! glad it all worked out!

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Fantastic Ed! Sorry to see you move from the 96 but still another fantastic car. so where are you going to hang? And when does the garage sale start? Damn vultures...

Looking for a very large rear wing....

Interesting move. The important thing is that you are happy with the decision. Besides, if you want to jump back into the 996 or 997 market there are cars.

Congrats Ed, great color!

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true, but keep in mind the 400lb weight difference, which not only helps acceleration, but handling and braking.

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yea, here is the original... nothing special. I was just playing with photoshop and accidently made it.... Thanks Steve! Jasper - WOW, great info! My wallet feels lighter already! MODS? I never thought of it !! great discussion guys and as stated "intersting move" - The 996 (well my 996) was really dialed in. Super smooth, quick as all get up, turn on a dime, great feedback, AND comfortable, new looking, very stylish. That said, I had it for sale for and when Mike said he was interested I already felt a bit of a loss - he was the one to suggest (based on my responses as to "why I was selling it") that we make a trade. Based on many factors and many many phone calls, we agreed - I have to admit, it is tough to go backwards in time/technology ect.... but its a great car and something as stated above about "paying your dues" - I have just got to owm one, and now I do - Time will tell, things are not the same but this is no slug either - thanks all ! (the pic is the original one I used for my sig)

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Thank you as well! I drove straight home after our switch, so I didn't get to drive much. I did have some time to wash her. The paint job is, indeed, better than when I first sold to you. The exhaust is perfect with a good balance of quiet at even throttle and growl when pushed. Gearshift is even more precise and positive compared to stock. Handling-wise, initial turn-in is much improved from stock. Based on the I-405 undulations, I would probably like the dampers (shocks) to be more underdamped relative to the spring rate. I didn't push the car enough to understand understeer/oversteer transition balance. I'll drive it some more when I get back from Germany and see how I feel...

Sounds like you are happy with your new(old) Porsche. This could get very confusing.

and lets get that work done too... no sense in postponing it too long.... I have a new baby that needs my time

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Yea Steve, its is not your normal deal, but coming from me, would you have expected any less

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+1 Jasper. Over a couple a decades, I have been fortunate enough to have owned over a dozen or so Porsches. A majority of them were air-cooled cars - early 911S, 911T, SC, 80's Carrera, 930, 914 2.0s, etc. I would have stayed with the 86 Carrera, if I didn't feel the need for a more modern, comfortable car for daily driving duties. Besides, I have other "fun" cars to feed my driving desire for a more raw and direct driving feel. Although I have to say, Ed has started the 996 towards a more raw feel. Having had a Cayenne S, a 996, a Boxster (wife's) in recent years, I thought I was done with air-cooled Porsches. Yet, I was drawn back-in. I originally bought the 86 Carrera as a transition car between my Cayenne S and the hopefully upcoming (now delayed even longer) Cayenne Diesel. In my first test drive of the 86, I didn't like it and questioned myself why I got into these cars in the first place. A week later, I did another test drive just for good measure. The second drive did it for me as the car became more and more endearing and engaging as the miles clicked away. I'm afraid to say this in this forum, but the air-cooled Porsches (at least the ones I have owned) have a "soul" that I feel is not comparable to the water-cooled cars. So far, the 04 GT3 is the closest (I have not driven a Carrera GT). My point is that I think Ed is well on his way to a more complete Porsche enthusiast experience. For me, what the 86 has done is rekindle my fondness of the air-cooled 911s. Because of this, I'm now planning to search for a 67 911S vintage race car when I'm ready to sell the 944 Rothmans Challenge car. I hope Ed has a positive experience with the 86 as well!!!

Nice color!

as you can tell, Mike is very knowledgable in P-cars. That is something I have yet to gain. It comes from experience and changing to this car will surely increase that for me - well stated Jasper and Mike

Congrats Ed, she sure is purty! Now I'm gonna get on Autotrader and see what's out there for me... ///Michael

Wow! I'm in shock.... now Ed has a whole bunch of parts that don't fit his new car.

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To be honest, I think you downgraded quite a bit on this one. Don't get me wrong, I own an old 911 and know it is a good car. A 996 is simply a lot faster, far better handling, far better braking and more livable in every way. Yes the older car my be 400 lbs lighter, but it comes with a chassis, powertrain, suspension and brakes that are far less capable. An upgrade has to give me more. When I was looking to upgrade from my X51 996, I had to look at a Turbo, GT3 or at least a 997.2 S or it would not have been an upgrade. I can still see adding another 911 to my stable later: a low mileage 87-89 G50 Carrera. I just wouldn't sell a later series car for it.

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Go easy on Ed dude...I think he's feeling the pain a bit, but I for one can understand the journey he wants to undertake. When I had my SC I made the conscious decision to switch from the CIS fuel injection to a set of weber carburetors, knowing full well that every day would not be a picnic. It wasn't. The webers required constant fiddling, the car reeked of raw fuel all the time, I couldn't get through the smog check...so why did I do it? Well, the performance was upgraded substantially, on account of wild cams and better pistons, so that worked out well, but a big part of the reason was that I'm just young enough to have missed the whole going fast on carburetors era. I also wanted to really understand multiple carbs, and the webers being dual triples certainly gave me that. In short - I wanted to pay my dues so that when I eventually moved into the world of high tech, I'd feel as though I'd earned it, and I don't regret this a bit. Those five+ years on carburetors *really* were special, despite the pain and suffering. Ed is a hands on guy, perhaps he wanted to get his tools dirty. That's kind of one disappointing thing about my 996...it doesn't require much in the way of fettling. This works out well since my 996 is my daily driver, but if I was keeping a car as a hobby...it probably wouldn't be a 996. Not a M96 normal anyway. At the end of the day, Ed will be able to sell his 3.2 Carrera for enough cash that he could buy another 996, maybe even a MkII car if he wants. There's an awesome 2002 on Pelican right now. Seal gray, new motor 11K miles ago...a sweet ride, all for $27K. Ed will be fine in his 911 and I for one am very interested to see how he makes out. More pics too Ed...what are you doing with the one bad angle snap. Let's see the goods already. And..oh yeah. The 911 is the prettier car, and he'll get plenty of attention from the ladies in it it I'm sure.

+1 jasper They are all 911s after it boils down, and what you give up with one you gain with another.

Better pics on my post in the 911 area - out driving now

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Nothing wrong with having the classic 911 experience! Ed can always get another 996 or 997 but this should be a really fun car to own. It's all relative to what the individual wants to get out of their car.

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So....... exactly what has changed.... because they didn't fit his old car either!

Beautiful car, Ed. I don't think the wax job sucks. Tell your kid to go pound sand. Classic Porsche - enjoy it. And, don't listen to Tim. He's just trying to unload his Honda.

LOL my son likes to use the clay bar, really smooths up the "touch" of the paint. We put a quick coat of speed wax on this morning, and it rained befor we got out of the driveway Still out driving her, poor dogs are home alone!

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Tim is selling? What is he asking?

He said $50 and a 6 pack

Is that $50 USD or Pesos?

Pesos.

Nice car but first of all, I hope you stick around the board. Your comments are worth reading (mostly-grin). Sure brings back memories though, I had a guards red 82 Targa and from that front shot it's tough to tell the difference. You'll love it!

Congratulations. You'll love the car. I have a 2000 996 (which I love) and a well sorted '84 911. I love them both. Be sure your suspension is refreshed - new bushing, etc. - and has the uprated torsion bars and shocks and all of the other mods previously mentioned. Go with the previously mentioned 8 and 9 inch Fuchs alloys (they are very light and very strong - and look "right") and put 225's up front and 245's in back. Take out the entire AC system (also as mentioned), have a good race shop do a high performance alignment and corner balance and you'll be amazed at how the car will come alive. More pics please!

Hey, Congrats and all the best with the new ride hope to keep seeing your posts

Hahahahaha

Ed I can't wait to see how that GT2 wing looks on the ol' 911! Congrats on the new ride, you're going to love it! - Hans

Congrats Ed. You'll love the air cooled experience. Having owned many of them I know what you are getting into. They are a blast. Not sure I agree with the rip out the AC sentiment. You can make it decent if you are not afraid to spend some money. Probably not a big deal for you in your climate though. Follow the advice on a quality corner balance/alignment. You will be shocked at the difference. Nothing like the fun of driving those old buggers!. I for one love the bottom hinged pedals for heel toe driving. With a little seat time you can go stupid fast in one of these babies. My old sorted '84 Carrera felt way better for high speed assaults on the interstate than my 996, especially if there were crosswinds. They are charming cars and the reason that legions of owners still sing their praises. Enjoy!!!!!!

pics - I listed them on the "other side" but will here as well even though its the 996 forum

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My 911 was quite unstable at speed, until I installed a chin spoiler and ducktail lid. Then it became steady as a rock. My 996 was unsteady until I sorted the suspension. Now it's rock solid too. Porsches are great.

she looks great Ed.... a fine example!..... love the new sig. That's the beauty of owning these fine cars..... always looking forward for the next one. If only we can have one of each model.

well my 996 settled down at 80 and went WAY higher w/o ANY floaty or unstable feelings.... this little thing jumps up to 100 real quick. Its a very differant feeling of power, but the smile on the face said "yup, it's a Porsche" - Funny, some guys would have had that happen in reverse...... so an interesting note - the 996 at 29 mph when I pass the radar sign that says "you are going" is spot on 25 mph, while the 911 at 25 (as close as I could judge, its a needle) read 29 anyone ever had this experience? - I really have no intension of having someone tell me what my actual was at 100

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thanks Ferd, NO KIDDING, how cool to have a 6GT3, a 996, Panamera, a 76' Turbo, 993 Turbo, and so on - all at once.... wow ! and thanks for the comp on the sig, it was a quick "git er' done" job just for the change... not my favorite, but its growing on me - summer is coming... pics will be taken

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My 996 always indicates about 4 mph faster than any radar check or GPS says I'm going - like yours. The old 911's have always been known for having speedos that indicate about 10% fast. What I mean is that at 60 indicated, you are actually traveling at about 54. At 100 indicated, actual speed is about 90. In my '84 I almost never use the speedo to judge my speed. When I'm in 5th gear, I use the tach. Each 1000 RPM equals 25 mph true speed. Each little 200 rpm tick equals 5 mph. So, if I'm at 3000 RPM, I'm doing 75 mph. If I'm at 3400 RPM, I'm doing 85. 4000 RPM is 100 mph, 5000 RPM is 125 mph, 6000 RPM is 150, and so on. Works like a charm.

Nice! reminds me of my SC I had 25 years ago.

Congrats ED !!! Enjoy it....totally different drive....not as effortless as the 996 but very rewarding. I like the contrast of the olive grey and the guards red!!!!

You be cruisin'. I guess we'll have to drop by you new forum section to tag in some times.

He'll be here just like me, the 911 board is dead..... Nice ride! That was exactly the way mine looked stock but now look at my avatar.

yea, Cory, with Marc spending my money I should be there by next weekend

Nice car Ed! I had a '86 black on black. That is car that I did my first DE in. I miss that car...... Please stick around here now and then and Have fun with it!

That's a fine specimen, can't wait to see the mods!

Nice car Ed - I love the look of the 911s.

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Yes, save some for me. I want to help you spend your money too!

better not be $ for a fart can

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OUCH!!! What are you trying to say?? That was cold................... but funny!

Hope you stick around on these boards, Ed. good luck with the new car!

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We may have to start "Ivangenes" 911 mod thread (aka: Spend Ed's cash!)

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Since there are only 6 threads on by-pass pipes at the moment, let's do that instead. Hi Ed...we miss you already.

Maybe this trade explains the old head banging avatar. Hmmmmm

LOL Pac I see the cat by-pass threads... WTF? I dont have time to read them all, my guess it they are old threads dug up or it spring and everyone wants a little p^ssy ---- I meant cats

Congrats Ed! I saw your CL post the other week, I can't believe you finally sold it. Even Amanda was like, "I guess he is right when he said It's always for sale!" Enjoy in good health, will see you around.

Late to the party but congrats Ed!

Thanks guys, we'll have to go have a coffee one day and a little "fun run" same email, shoot me a line sometime

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Nothing wrong with headers and trumpet exhaust only I'm glad Akrapovic makes good headers for the 997 but real bumbed they don't make exhaust for the 996. They make some dynomite titanium exhaust.

Congrats -- have you watched "No Man's Land" again since you got 'er? Classic 911 and engaging handling, obviously I'm an aircooled fan, too ha.

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I'm thinnking of buying all of the parts that didn't fit his 996 that are still in his garage. Then I'll list them on ebay and sell them back to him. All I need to do is use the workd "shiny" and "like new" and the phrase "fits all 911 models!" That alone will get 80% of those items sold at the "Buy it Now" price.

great idea Tim, I will send you a PayPal invoice for ALL of them...to save shipping I will just hold onto them though - you dont need that headache

So..Ed..... got anything that may fit my car??

Nope, should I send YOU an invoice too!!! hahaha there are some down sides to the trade - I put the GT3 sways front and rear on in January, was hoping to pull those off and re-sell, but Mike has a racing background and was having no part of that... I guess that is the only part I felt I "lost" in the deal... maybe the seats, but we have a plan for those that might work out OK - they are still 1/2 on the negotiation table

No invoice! Maybe Mikes wife will hate the seats! But I'm in one of those dangerous moods today, Not motivated to do much work and looking around for stuff to buy (Stuff that fits my car!) I did order FisterD's already

Well it's about time...

+1 - I never has the SSK, but I can tell you, you are gonna kick yourself for not doing this one sooner... install date 06-24-11 ??

A few mods that I did on my old (use to have) '86 Carrera was added the Weltmeister SSK and their front strut tower brace. The brace really made a difference. I felt like I could point the car thru the eye of a needle. These were pretty cheap things to do which made a big improvement.

cool, I will look into it. right now I am looking for some torsion bars that and using my claybar a lot, the paint isnt that bad...maybe 10 coats of zaino and it will "pop" LOL

Ed, congrats on the sweet new Porsche ... reminds me a lot of my last little 911SC targa I had. Let's go driving, we've got Spring for the first time in a decade and a half

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Fisters will ship on the 29th, Install is the weekend after they are received! No garage storage! Really! I swear!

going with "I'll believe it when I hear it's done" stance

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Bah! Stuff it ya Aircooler!

Oh Ouch LOL

Congratulations Ed! What a beautiful example of a 911. I have a desire to get a 964 RSA in the future. It was the car that really got me into 911's when I was in high school. Please stick around and enjoy the car!

Thanks Pete - will do......

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Bawhahahahahaha!!!! That was a good one Marc! Oh wait.... maybe you were serious! Nah!!! Bawhahahahahahah!!!!

OMG Tim, I almost lost a full mouth of soda laughing at that one

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OH COME ON!!!!!! STOP IT, JUST STOP IT!!!!!! Did you forget which Forum you are on???? I think you may have just invented the 4th white lie that men tell!

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4th? "no you're not fat" "check is in the mail" I'm lost on the other 2.

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It really is 9 inches.

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Knowing Tim, I'm pretty sure I know at least 1 of the other 2, but I'm a gentleman, so I'm going to make him say it.

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That's one of them.

I have been called a lot of things in my life, but never a Gentleman, so........ 1. "no you're not fat" 2. "check is in the mail" 3. "I promise I won't *^# in your mouth!" and the new number 4.... 4. "Install is the weekend after they are received! No garage storage! Really! I swear!" - Marc Gelefsky

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Yup, I figured that was #3. Being a gentleman I would never say that.

I'll show ya!! all of ya!!! They are not shipping till late next week since Darin is away. But Darins check is in the mail!

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Man, I burst out laughing at that one! Caught me totally off guard!

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yeah, it's a good thing that he didn't use another line off of the list.

Indeed!

yea, next it will be... DAMN Darin... he said he was gonna ship them to me by Christmas!!

Nooo.... it's spring! I gots da mod fevah!

ivangene: My vision is to get a 80 reto 911 too. Tell me is it what you though it wa all about? 99C2

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The condition of the suspension will make all the difference in the world. If it's old, the car will feel old. If it's new, or fairly so, the car will feel old school , but will also feel light and alive. You have to drive a few to really see what I'm talking about. They are great fun!

to be honest, I bought the 996 after driving it, it was the first time I ever drove a Porsche. I bought the 911 without driving it... but I went for a sort ride with my mechanic who drove it. kind of strange I know...but without several data points I would not have any idea if what I was feeling was "normal" or not... if the car is good, and mine is, all I have to do is acclimate to it (and start the mod list )

Just bought me a little present to go with the FisterD's, sad part is they will probably be here before Friday and on the car way before I get the Fisters... some spiffy new exhaust tips!

dont mount them before you put in the can... are you?.. geez first we cant get you to put parts on, now you have no restraint and just put them on asap even if the "rest of the parts" haven't showed up

Trust me, they will actually FIT

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They look nice...with the FisterDs they'll 'bark' a little louder than stock.

IIRC he has a dog already ini the car the funny thing is I actually contumplated taking my dog with me in the 911... that would have never even crossed my mind in the 99' (notice I didnt NOT call it a 911)

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Hmmmmm - now you got me thinkin' My original sport Bilsteins have 152K miles on them.

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Marc's wife must be out of town!

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Marc, those Fabspeed tips are nice looking!

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LoL!!!

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Thanks! I have wanted them for a while, Love thay quad tip look FWIW the Fabspeed people were really great to deal with.

How much extra did you have to pay them to guarantee that the tips will arrive before your wife returns? What ever it was, I am certain it was worth it!

Just so you know.... she put a live feed video cam in the garage and its streaming online

OH NO ! Its happening again! MINE !!

And so it begins...

I really think the european front end is a must.

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It will fit so you could conceivably grab that while the grabbing is good. You car has no tail aleady though no?

I dont want to rationalize my sickness

Damn! I could've used that! I need a plain tail for my 911.

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Don't worry, it is normal to think get another 996 and keep the SC. Then again its normal to also want to buy a 997 GT3 and GT.

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Makes perfect sense to me!

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it's "avalable" barder/trade/sell

Congrats Ed! Bitter sweet to be sure. I read Kyle's thread he started about you. Ha!! All I can say is that we got one life to live, so experience all you can for as long as you can, air cooled and otherwise. Rock on!

Here is a pic of the tail of my 86 911 w/single turbo kit

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Nice stable! any pics of the "plumbing" on the 86?

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Now you're getting kind of personal, don't you think?

So the PO of my car text'd me today. Said a friend saw the ol' red car on the freeway, driving fast and changing lanes. Tried and finaly caught up to it, but it was me driving not the PO - I guess its possible, but I really drive like an old man....... Officer

I NEVER drive faster than the speed limit. Ever (Hehe! ) ...officer

Impressions : ~ 1000 miles of air Steve asked, So first off the air cooled smells much differant. A little more like an old "bug" with that oil smell, but not enough to be horrible, but it is there for sure. The car...the trunk is small! spare tire deflated, so you have to have a pump. tool kit is very big and has some spare parts, front carpet kit is like some afterthought. Inside The key hole is tough to find in the dark, more door storage area, but things get lost in the corners, no foot reat for left foot (though they can be added and I plan on doing so, it is very much missed part!) the pedals rotate off the floor, it takes some getting used to. Seats are about the same as stock 996 (in fack i think they are the same) when it starts, there is NO chain noise, it just starts right up solid (sorry for the "solid" plug) the clutch is super nice - the 996 clutch was way too easy and hard to feel the engagement point where as the old car is so easy to feel where it is at. Mine is a 915 tranny, the next year they started the G50... the 915 is a little tough to get used to, you have to shift MUCH slower and rpm match is a big plus for smoothness, i double clutch almost every shift, but I have done that most of my life so its not an issue... I actually didnt do it in the 996, but sometimes still didn out of habit. seating position is good, easy to see out the windows and all sunroof is small but I dont use it much, no pop up... just the slider, I liked the pop up! Steering a stiffer and require more imput and muscle. It wore me out more than once but I am getting used to that now. The IMS fear is gone, but new fears have replaced that... I worry about electrical issues and valve adjustments. The car is harder to get in the air as there is an AC line right on the body jack point, I dont like that and have had no luck working around it. power is wierd as I find myself driving quite fast and not knowing it... seems to start kind of slow and "grandpa like" then I look down and I am pushing 90! It really rolls nice. There is way more air noise in the front, windows dont have "auto up/down" MISS! HVAC controls ? there must be 12 of them and I have yet to figure those out! The hearer and AC work EXCELLENT though I often dont know how I got them to work. Driver involement is high, its tough to disengage yourself and just cruise, though that makes it kind of fun too. RATTLES - boy, those are plentiful, I have been chasing those down...getting better but I never had that in the 996. My speedo made a wierd noise one day too... scared the sheeat out of me? I have yet to lock up the brakes but braking hard stops the car very well...my shocks are toast so I wont comment on turn in, but its not slow! The 996 was definently FAST, shifting, turning, braking. lets see.... the exhaust is a little like a subaru IMO and needs something more... there is no PSE Hack, so I might have to actually spend money the 996 felt more safe... I know that seams wierd, but with the longer nose, taller sides, airbags, ABS ect it just did feel very confident in traffic. The 86 is ver agile and slips in and out of traffic nice. It doesnt like stop and go as much though... FEAR - well that black paint was a constant fear issue, rock chips, door dings, finger, washing ect... the new car is more like... take the dogs? SURE! that is a nice thing. I dont think the paint is as pretty, but I am working on it. Did I mention there is NO room behind the rear seats ... like NONE! and finally, the 996 was a sexy woman, I often whispered to her and thanked her every ride. I told her what a great job she did. The 86 might be a man,..... I dont talk to it that way....I have yet to have that "connection" and have more of a "Buddy" relationship so far All in all the 996 is such a great car, I miss it in many ways and am thankful I had it. I might get it back (or another) someday - but the 86' is really fun in many ways too. I feel a little more like a kid/youth and less like a "successful adult" Its a great thing to have the chance to have both and I am not upset in any way about my choice to change. Cheers and thanks for reading this jibberish

I always liked that oil smell in the aircolled cars. And Ed, HVAC on an 86 is nothing more than a myth Heat is always decent though.

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I'm fine with this as long as you don't come out of the closet. You kiss this car goodnight and you are on ignore!

LOL - If I do that I will ignore MYSELF!

That's quite a synopsis Ed...I'll bet it has a Porsche fragrance like my 911SC, that the defroster is just about working, the steering is telepathic, the engine sound is intoxicating, the car isn't quick but it is fast, and the handling is unique to PORSCHE 911s yet somewhat different than a newer one. All in all, they all belong to the same family of dedicated sports cars that are constantly evolving and changing.

thats about right (just much shorter)

It sure was a pleasure having that pretty little red Porsche breathing down my neck through the twisties

hey hey !! Happy Friday ! the meanest sounding V8 Porsche was music to follow !

Happy Easter Friday to you as well Ed Man I could really use some sun right about now!!

been rough - hail/rain/wind/cold??? what happened! sent my little green paper off to "you know who" along with a check - was told that would about take care of it, no need for anything else in most cases. I need to talk to you about some of your "electronics" - this red thing attracts the eye.... not in a good way

Well let's see about a tete a tete soon ... I'm here

busy month for me - but I can always make some time

Good writeup, Ed. I have to admit that I'm surprised about the rattles you mention. My 911 has very few rattles, if any. Get your suspension rebuilt with stiffer torsion bars and shocks, lower it a bit, get an aggressive alignment and you'll be surprised at the cart-like turn-in. Buy a good aftermarket muffler, ditch the Cat, pick up a Steve Wong chip and feel the engine come alive!

update - new motor and tranny mounts in and the new shift coupler. as for rattles i have one, but its a whopper! something in the rear pass side torsion tube - re-torqued all the bolts and will look later... its official though, the 86 is more useful than the 996 - see pics !! cant do that with a 996 !

Damn Dude why the new engine???

OMG Dont say that !! new motor MOUNTS!!

good beer, but u need to drink more than 1 before working on it. ;-)

Maybe he added a second engine so he'd have as much power as a 996?

no no no - I drink the 6 pack then start looking for a place to add water - AWE HA!! in the wiper washer !!

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The Redhook brewery is about 5 miles from my home, glad you are keeping them in business Ed. Drink more beer...the rattle will disappear!

I want an air-cooled 911 really bad, but not to replace my 996 but to supplement it instead. Since I use my car daily and I NEED working A/C, driving a 911 daily in traffic would be more of a challenge than I want to put up right now. But I remember test driving a 964 and just loving the sounds and smells of that car...I talked about it for hours after the drive. Keep us posted on your car's status!

Mmmmmmm... Beer!

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agreed, if I had the money, space and ..... well, more money

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Don't worry, I have the same two problems!

I think those are universal problems... I have yet to meet a car enthusiast who felt he/she has either enough money or space.

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LOL, but the real redhook brewery is like 5 miles from here....

+1 here is a pic while checking tranny oil today - my "hang the *** of the curb" aproach works great! - hmm....time to mow the grass already?

When are you doing the H4 upgrade?

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ask Marc

OK - oil change today (and for the record Brad Penn 20/50) you think the 996 oil comes out fast - HOLY SHIAT!!! my pan overflowed cus the drain would not take it any faster - son of a &^%&^% that comes out really fast! 2 drain plugs and a filter like the one ont a 1967 Chevy Pickup $105 at home.... $3 more than the 996 with Shell Helix Ultra (now Q-Power) but I have one Quart left in the box

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I will be on the prowl at Hershey!

Ed- You will like the H4's. Big difference

Pretty low on the list - I want it to drive "right" the looks can wait - found some parts today - and they should fit!

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Yeah.... I've heard THAT before! Ed, I don't care what I say about you, I still like you!

Hahahaha Yea, I have a return and a installed it and didn't need it already, a NO FIT would round out the month

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Whadya mean???? the H4's give you 10 giga-jeegs of HP.....I can document it.......but I need some time to make some crap up.

Take those 7's off the back, put them up front, sell the front 6's and put the $$$ toward 9's with 245's! You'll love the look. Yea, the oil flows out REALLY fast! I make a small mess every time.

I agree with the wheel sizes. This was my '86 with 7's on front and 9's on the rear. Also had the lips polished.

for sure - this is crappy video, I had to replace the crackling/popping soundtrack with some music...youtube rejected my music and I swapped it for something of thier "approved" list.... so poor video and poor audio.... its a winner on both levels Anyhow - impressions.... I LOVE the 86' on the track - I signed up for the June 10th event... maybe I will get the video figured out by then PS my instructor was very happy with me at 3:50

Here's some tricks for video I learned from sportbike videoing. 1. Do not use auto focus. It's best to set the focus to infinite. Here's some tricks for video I learned from sportbike videoing. 1. Do not use auto focus. It's best to set the focus to infinite. You've seen videos that spend 3/4's the time focusing in and out never getting it right ruining the video using the auto focus feature offered. 2. If your camera has a zoom it would probably be best to use it to exclude you and passenger so that the lighting used will be the outside lighting eliminating what you got this time around. There might be a set lighting setting you could use so that if you do want both inside and out video to be there you could at least have yourself darker. 3. Ditch the passenger and get faster Notes: Do not use disk or hard drive camcorders since running into bumps will trash your video. The recording head goes ape. There are mounts and remote camera heads you could use to put the video from your helmet, on the dash or even outside. I prefer a reference point like the front of the car. https://helmetcamera.com/ For petes sake fix the audio. I would rather hear engine sounds.

I am using a Go Pro Hero, there are about "zero" adjustments for focus and zoom. Passenger is my instructor, if I "loose" him AND go faster, I might come home on the back of a flatbed towtruck. Gonna keep him for now, thanks

You'll get better with future videos. I liked the music, looks like you had a blast. I'd stick with an instructor until you are ready to solo the track. Bummer about the glare, otherwise ...can't wait for your next showing.

Thanks Steve - yea I was bummed when I saw the vid... you should have heard the awesome motor sounds nothing but buzzing and clicks and snaps and pops... there was NO car sounds? I didnt get a second shot at it because I left the little bugger filming and went for a couple rides... when I came back the disc was full of my car sitting there with no one in it I had no way to edit the vid and delete the long emptiness and rather than risk having nothing I decided to just keep what I had and try next time out sucks still

Mount the camera up forward on the dash so you get a look on and over the trunk. Then the lighting problem will only be lens refracting bright sunlight into internal glares if so. I guess duct taping the camera to the hood is out of the question Might want to do some testing to see what the audio problem is.

You woulda been going faster in a 996........ I still cant belive you went old school........tisk tisk tisk.

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I can totally understand that, but you may be surprised. I've been running my cars - first the bone stock 996, and for the past couple of years the modded '84 911 - on track for about three years now and am ALWAYS faster after the instructor gets out. The reason for this is that I want to learn from the instructors, but I don't want to scare them, so I run at less than my maximum. Once the instructors are out of the car, I pick up the pace in a big way.

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Maybe. Maybe not. I've tracked the 996 about 1/2 a dozen times, but it's totally street stock. It's fast and easy to drive. However, my '84 Carrera - which has had suspension mods, weight removed, and R-compound tires - is significantly faster on a racetrack than the 996. And it's fun as hell! (well, I guess they both are, actually).

miss the 99' as it was more set up for track and yea... faster in the turns... but I have a pile of goddies building for the 86' - watch out! I took a hot lap in "A" class in a GT# that was SMOKIN FAST and I took a couple things away from that session 1: no more bad mouthing Corvettes - the one in front of us was wicked fast and I mean WICKED FAST! 2: we were super fast out there and there was an old Carrera holding its own, though we passed it... it wasnt like we went by it like it was standing still....I was plesantly surprised 3: TIRES TIRES TIRES 4: dont expect to see me at work the Thursdays the track is open anymore 5: ask wife for an increased allowance

I was all over the back of a 997GT3 for about 1/2 of a 30 minute session in my '84 Carrera a few months back, and the guy driving was not about to let me by. He would just walk away from me on the two straightaways (which happened to be the only passing zones allowed), but I would be attached to his bumper in the braking zones and through all of the corners. It was irritating, actually, because he was holding me up for most of the lap. Next session, he came out behind me (thankfully) and I never saw him again. Granted, he was obviously not getting the potential out of his car, but the point is also that these old 911's have plenty of pace in them with suspension mods, weight removed, good brakes and R-comp tires.

996 vs 89 911 street setups the 996 would win, Im not bashing the 911, I really like em...still miss my SC....but if you have a 911 setup for the track then things are a bit different....its ED ok I still love you...Enjoy the track I know I did. Cant wait to put the 996 on one....but alas..no time or throw away cash at the moment. Off to my thankless job......

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Ed, Good luck with #5!

On your setup menu, change your exposure setting from Cnt (centered) to SPt (spot). That will adjust the exposure to what is outside through the windows.

I litterally has NO settings, I just have to find the right spot to put it in which will mean making something or sticking it outside the car

The instructor has a helment. Have him lay on the roof holding the camera. Bike riders do worse with the speeds we do with only two wheels Sheeze knees dragging in turns faster than the car and heads a foot off the deck. The guys a either a whimp if he doesn't do you the favor or smart enough to know the video of him rolling down the road then getting run over will end up on the web here Be sure to spray wax all over him if he accepts. Gotta get a good polishing out of it and keep him slippery enough to make an exciting video. I'm sure his screams will drown out the snap crackle pops of the camera. This doesn't mean I was one of the guys riding down Virginia hwys on top a tractor tralier rigs trailer while working for a moving company in high school summers in the early 70's hehehe ya should of been there.

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Ed, time to search ebay for a new camera.

I just bought it on ebay that should explain things!

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more stuff to re-sell.

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Doh!!! I should have known that!

Include in your advertisement that it's a porsche race car cam.

inventory is everything I will make it work, the thing is so cool - here's what it looks like I just have it stuck in the wrong place ---- story of my life

Ed, Regardless of the first camera experience, I'm glad to see you with the 86 at the track. I would have been frustrated trying to drive that car with the Nokians, although I would have liked the car's increased oversteer characteristics. I'll be driving around the same track this weekend - SCCA double nationals. Stop by if you have time. You can also see your old 996 loaded with a bike rack (and other track gear) and showing off its newly painted GT3 bumper. Oh...bring the new GoPro camera; maybe we can make it work in my race car. Hahaha.

I will email you Mike....are you taking the racecar out? I told Bill B I would volunteer at Bremerton Skills day as they are having trouble finding enough people to cover the event so that takes ALL day Saturday...(wife=happy about that )

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That's what she said!

figured "someone" would get that !

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Yes, I will be racing the Rothmans car with Fordahl Motorsport and other P racers. Races are Sunday and Monday afternoons (Group 6).

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That is nicer that what I was going to say, which was: "She told me there is no wrong place!" But since I didn't say it, it's all good!

LMAO@!!

One can only wish Tim...

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I know that track. I can just make out that you were exiting the "valley of death" at 3:50...so if your instructor was happy at 3:50 then you did good.

That is exactly right Jasper! It was my biggest smile of the day and the one I am re-playing in my head over and over. 5a, 5b and thru 6

my first real track photo me so happy!!

Very nice pic Ed...can understand a little better now why you made the switch. What did you do to revitalize the red paint....looks perfect for an 'air/oil cooled' Porsche.

tennis elbow actually I have been on the Griot's for this one, the Zaino just wasnt doing it for me. I havent washed it almost a month (unlike the black which required more frequent washes) Thanks Steve ! I have the shifter 1/2 way out right now and cant figure out how to remove the damn **** - plus made a new video mount which is MUCH better!!

That car is billy bad ***. Nice!

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Ed- There should a set screw that holds it on. Just lift up the boot until you see it. BTW.....me likey your avatar too!

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Ed, if that ^ doesn't work, try this!

actually (OT) that shift **** comes off with a hammer - I read several posts.... came up with a better way... no kidding, a hammer!! thanks guys (and Tim )

So, where's the video? More importantly, how do you like driving a "tail wagger" on the track?

VAn - horrible (but all I have) vid on post #194.... trouble was camera placement washed out the exterior view - I made a new mount yesterday and tested it out on the way home and today again...its gonna be "visible" next time - near the end of the video my instructor gives me a "good job" and that made me very happy! I also recorded 40 minutes of my car sitting empty so cleary I was thinking about the day and not so much the camera weather was cold and wet but dried out...I had on my snow tires so the *** stayed put Its a little scary as I have not had it get too loose yet and am still finding the point at which the hammer swings! - this W.E. is a skills day and with luck I will get er to come about a few times to feel where that point is - loving the car! (missing the 996 too......)

When you do find it, you'll be pleasantly surprised at high the limit actually is - because it takes a LOT to actually cause the back end to come around terminally on one of the later early cars. As long as you keep the throttle balanced, you can pull amazing cornering forces and speeds with these cars. They are great cars for throttle steering.

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Really? Mine feels way less stable than the 996 was. I can get it to drift/slide pretty easy with a quick jerk of the wheel. But, mine has coilovers. Of course I am speaking when it actually ran...

Absolutely! I mean it. I have both types, and have for years. I've tracked them both - many times. The 996 is extremely well mannered and forgiving - meaning you can get away with more things in that car than in the older 911's. However, that does NOT mean that the older 911's do not have very high limits. They do. They are simply less forgiving of abrupt, rough handed driving technique - they do not tolerate a drop throttle or brake application at or near the limit in a corner. You've got to be more aware of what you are doing with the throttle in particular. As long as you are smooth with your throttle inputs entering a corner and mid-corner, the car will hang on to amazing degree. I fact, the car's tendency is toward understeer, due to the light nose. If you back off slightly mid corner, the nose will simply tuck in a bit and the car will take a nice stable set and feel REALLY planted! Once set, the throttle tends to lock down the back end, due to the weight over the back end. It's a nice feeling.

You look so familiar

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Regarding Griot's(I use their products too) which polish did you end up using?

seriously, on the black car Zaino was FAR supirior to the Griot's... It made my paint so freeking eye popping, deep deep deep glossy WOW ink black Iwas shocked! on the red I used Ziano clay bar, (one is good as another) machine polish 3, and best of show wax followed by speed wax (helps remove that hard a$$ wax that wont come off) - I really have not spent much time on it. The red is very easy to care for and when the sun pops out after raining it looks like I just washed and dried the car - its NUTS easy! - OH - using ONR wash too but have not washied it in.... I swear.... a month?

Me likey joe

Looks great thx for the track pics...makes me miss my SC.

Detailed the wheels and took a quick snapshot last night before the rains returned I have to say this car is really growing on me and I am loving it more everyday

AMAZING COLOR. Stunning!

Thanks! I was pretty unsure of owning a "red sports car" but that is one beautiful color...Its really starting to "pop" after very little work. I cant wait to see how far I can bring it back with some real effort once the weather gets above 50 ! I was at the shop yesterday and picked up quite a few compliments...not that I needed a swelled up noodle, but it is nice to get those - mostly I love looking out over those headlights while driving... feels very "right"

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No argument there. That would be one of the things I miss most about my old 911, the view over the hood. I still remember this view when I first drove the car back in 1997. The view over the 996 is much more....modern let's say.

Ed, Lookin' good! Even though I'm a Griot's Guy, I will try new things. I read an article called "The Perfect Shine". After a wash, clay and polish, the author suggested Klasse All In One (the red bottle) followed by P21S wax for the perfect shine for RED cars. Well I tried it and it works! If you go to a Harley motorcycle shop, you can get S100 (same as P21S) for half the price. Even comes in the same white w/ blue lettering jar and shipped from the same address. Enjoy!

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That's ^ not what your wife said!!!! Oh, wait..... you were talking about a swelled head... not your real noodle!

thanks for the heads up - I will grab some.... if there's one thing I need more of..... its car care products!

Now the cops can see your bright red porsche better

Nice, Ed. Is that my old car? I can barely recognize it. You missed some good racing last weekend at PRI. Now I see what you've been up to.

HEY Mike ! sorry I didnt make it out, my son had to prepare for "camp" and it took most of my time running around to stores... I was a bit upset I didnt make it out... weather turned nice Monday too ! good news is just last week I nailed the shifter settings and OMG is it smooth!! I am SOOO happy with it... the bad is I reset the trip meter and blew the odometer out so i have to send it out to Hollywood for repair (DAMN) I made a camera mount that hooks to the rear lip of the sunroof... and removed the leather shift boot and all floor carpets... you know me, always tinkering around

Ed your 911 looks so nice(for an old air-cooled Porsche), and you have certainly enhanced its look already. Your effort has paid good dividends in the appearence dept, way to go!

Thanks Steve, elbow grease is cheap.... I will be needing tires if I keep driving it like I stole it

OK enough elbow grease, my shoulder is killing me - I spent nearly all day on the 86' with exception of about an hour or so on the wife's car to gain a little more "me time" shoot, I am sore - must be old - not sure pics would be any differant that the last, but in person its stunning now! this is the first time I have really polished it up... I am very happy... Griot's machine polish 3 - 2-3 times over everything, followed by Mequires #20 glaze.. I think about 2-4 times depending on location... and a top coat of carnuba wax... it really "pop's" now picked up some new high quality microfiber towels (so I have an even 3 dozen) LOL and now time for beer - migh shoot a pic, but I doubt it would be a visable diff on camera.... OK snapped a couple.. its pretty sunny still so you know how hard it is to get good ones...

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I never thought about the view out of the windshield and you are dead on. My 79' SC was like no other regarding the view of the hood(sloping away) with the pronounced front fenders. I'd have to agree that my 996 doesn't have the same look.

Looks like it's come up great, and some nicely framed shots... love the rear view in the mirror one.

thanks Robert, good morning

I am sunburned and tired.... had a great day and just played with the 86' out on the autoX... Camera mount = better, but not good Still this is fun as I was just wagging it all over the place... for me its a great way to learn where grip lets go and where the weight swings around.... anyhow... FUN (I will post 2 vids when they are ready) hope they make ya smile

Great stuff...

Thanks for the vids.

DE today - still love this car !! WARNING - TURN YOUR VOLUME DOWN.... lots of wind noise!!!!

Nice Ed! The track looks like 3 miles long? Where is it? Really like the swooping right hander into the the s's.

its about an hour south of seattle - the straight doubles as a strip for drags - nhra even the big boys... its fun, 300+ feet of elevation 10 turns. I was happy with my day overall. what I wanted to work on went well...but now I have a new laundry list..hard to get it all right, thats why we keep going

And now it's for sale? A short -trip to the aircooled side?

shhhh - I want an OLD car and make a track toy, this one is too nice to tear up, I want one gutted, loud and quick in the turns... the FS is a feeler at this point

I love the new ride and the videos! Very Cool!