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Things changed a lot in terms of how I use my car when I decided to drive it every day of the week, and when I stopped driving it on weekends.
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I tested some 997s last fall when I was deciding on lease end options and I thought they were somewhat watered down compared to mine.
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Things changed a lot in terms of how I use my car when I decided to drive it every day of the week, and when I stopped driving it on weekends.
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When you're punching it up high at high speeds, the engine itself barks in a tuned howl that's mellifluous so just like the Ferrari, it changes notes/character depending on what you're doing.
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When you're punching it up high at high speeds, the engine itself barks in a tuned howl that's mellifluous so just like the Ferrari, it changes notes/character depending on what you're doing.
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It's better than aspirin or Aleve, a hot shower, a long run, a marriage counselor, shooting hoops with a buddy, working in the garden, or an hour with a shrink.
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This might seem like a silly question but I was hoping that someone hear could describe the experience of getting into your Porsche and going for a drive.
I'm still very focused on finding the 996 for me but, from time to time, I start thinking it might not be the best idea. I've never really drove a nice car before since I've always had sportbikes. I'm sure the experience of a Porsche is something else.
Agreed. Sometimes driving home in my 996 is the highlight of my day.
And on the weekends I look for excuses to go on errands!
(and it's not half bad on the track, either!)
Where do we begin, man? I can wax poetic about this, but I just don't have the time or energy so...
-The M96, I think, is quite possibly the best sounding flat6 out there, certainly better than the Turbo engine and not as raw as the GT3 engines
So at the end of the day, outside of the look, handling, braking all that good stuff... the one thing that I'm always aware of when I drive my 911 is the sound of flat6 w/ PSE. So I drove the Ferrari 360 with $20Gs worth of headers, exhaust and intake. Even with all that, the M96 w/ PSE is unique and special in its own right. When you're driving slow, cruising down the blvd, the car growls with a guttural roar that's distinct and just loud enough. When you're punching it up high at high speeds, the engine itself barks in a tuned howl that's mellifluous so just like the Ferrari, it changes notes/character depending on what you're doing.
This is where the flat6 kicks **** for me and keeps me coming back for more.
For me, it's that intangible 'driver involvement' thing. It permeates every interaction you have with the car (in a dynamic sense, anyway. We'll leave interior trim out of it for the time being). Everyone who has driven mine comments on it. They can't put their finger on why or how, but they know that the car is somehow eager to respond to whatever you tell it to do, at any speed, and you can feel it do so.
Okay, so maybe you're rolling your eyes right now, so I'll put this in context for you: My last fun car was a Dinan Z3. Quick enough, great handling, great sounding exhaust, top down fun, gorgeous colour and perfect condition,
far
more positive attention than I ever get in my plain old Mk.1 996 C2 (I'm talking shouts from the curb and notes on the windshield, here). I loved to drive it, but I was also content to leave it parked if it rained, and all winter. My 996? I can't leave it parked. I drive it daily, rain or shine, summer and winter, and love every minute of it in any conditions, open road or rush hour traffic, dirty or clean. Ask yourself, why? It's a feel thing. There really is nothing else like it .
YMMV and all that...
Its the quintessential true sports car that has been refined for over 43 years. Therefore, you wear it like a glove. All the controls are at the right place, the steering feel is amazing, so are the brakes and shifter. And then there's the engine. It revs up an down so fast, its what I always thought a race car would be.
I guess it depends on what else you have experienced and your expectations.
A main reason for all the talk about lightweight flywheels is to improve that.
Do you have a LW flywheel?
Bill
bill i know you have the x51, but honestly, the porsche flat6 doesn't rev up and down quickly at all... it's redline is pretty low too. when i say rev up and down quick to make it worth noting... i'm talking carrera GT here. that's special.
it's all relative.
i also wouldn't call the carrera a visceral driving experience whatsoever. it's too heavy.
m96 engine is smooth but so was my f20c honda engine and the s54 m3 engine.
How many 9 year old cars can you climb into and still feel as though it is still tight and responsive to drive, still looks 'fresh', and puts a grin on your face avery time you turn the key?
Picture this - really crappy day at work, pile of crap I gotta do when I get home. My commute (80km round trip each day) is my "me" time with my 996. It makes Monday mornings tolerable and Friday afternoons downright giddy. I still sometimes find my self just sitting looking at it, like its a piece of art. Its funny, not once have I questioned whether it was good enough for me - on more than one occasion I have questioned whether I'm good enough for it. Its emotional - there are very few people that have that relationship with a car, some of us are fortunate enough to experience it.
Hey BruceP...you're description of the diff between a Z3 and the 996 is spot on....I couldn't explain it any better. My Z3, which I just sold for the 996, was not Dinaned, but it was Conforti sharked & CAI, with Koni SA's on it, larger sways, etc, etc, and always got remarks, even at Homecoming. But I couldn't explain why I only put 8k miles on it the last two years. It was like I had to have just the right weather, mood, etc to drive it. Now the 996 blows it away just on power and handling alone, but it's more than that...it's actually just like the difference that I felt when I first bought the Z3 in 2000, coming from a 93 318i...I felt very ONE with the car. Before I sold the Z3, I drove it a few more times after owning the 996, and while I loved the short shift & super smooth engine, it definitely wasn't the same. I drove a few 993's, thinking that I wanted to go that route, and while I really love the exterior styling, I have to say I just didn't connect with the drive. The first 996 I drove (not mine), and I knew it was right. (unfortunately, I get the same feeling from the 997........$$$$). The 996 revs up & down an order of magnitude faster than my Z3 did, but I'd never call the engine smooth. Raucous comes to mind.
I agree, my beater car is a 2004 Hyundai Elantra GT, and when I replaced the clutch I also put in a 7.5 lb aluminum flywheel. The little motor spools up immediately considering the lack of rotational inertia. A new driver can barely manage to get it into gear it spools up so fast. By comparison, the 996 takes an eternity to rev up, and you can drop it into first without touching the gas.
I had a 2.2 S motor in a 914-6 years ago, and that one revved up and dropped down as if the tach was connected directly to the gas pedal, by comparison to the 996.
Bill
Don't get me wrong, I like my 996, but if you are expecting a religious experience every time you get in it I think you are setting yourself up for disappointment. Then again I don't drink the cool-aid everyone else here drinks. But honestly I think it is that way for any car, it's just a car.
oh yea, +1 on the slow revs, notchy gear box and "large" feeling. If you are looking for a tossable "one with the car", smooth fast revving engine, and a rifle bolt gear box experience there is a car that both Ben and I are thinking of. (maybe not the fastest but certainly quick)
I just had mine out at lunchtime...could NOT agree more regarding the PSE exhaust. And surely it sounds even better & more aggressive to the cars surrounding you.
Ok, I have a lowly 968, but I'm going to chime in since I've been test driving the 996/7. These cars are something special. There really is no other manufacturer that builds anything like it. The DNA from the 911 runs through all the products they make. I've had my car for 11 years and it still makes me grin on the way home, I still turn around and look back at it, I love the way it sounds from 4K to redline under full throttle, I still marvel at the details, I love the steering, I love the brakes and a little later this year I will probably cry when it's new owner takes it down the driveway for the last time. So yes, you will like it alot. After more than a dozen bikes I switched over with no regrets and I haven't looked back yet.
... in your opinion. I am so freakin' tired of how judgmental some people are about this. You are entirely entitled not to be impressed by your 911 the way I am and I respect your opinion, but you're not entitled to say that I'm drinking Kool-Aid because I feel differently. People's level and way of appreciating all kinds of things like this are inherently subjective and personal. I really don't think it's necessary to run anybody down because you feel differently. It's rude, and it comes off as weak.
Really gets old.
I remember your car from Roadfly. Very nice. Also liked what a level-headed contributor you were to that board, which had less than its share.
The Z3 was fun, regardless of what the 'cool *****' say. But the 911 is something special.
Coming from an '96 M3, which was fast for its day and had a superb steering feel that was praised many times by the press (lost on later gen. M3s), I stand by my earlier post on the 996. I have road-tested many other marks over the years and mine has a superb feel overall. I tested some 997s last fall when I was deciding on lease end options and I thought they were somewhat watered down compared to mine. I decided to buy mine instead. Even my neighbor's '99 non e-gas 996 does not rev as fast as mine (up or down). So I don't know what to tell you.
The E36 M3 was a fantastic car, and I agree with your comments about it and its successors.
It is absolutely absurd that 996 owners have to defend loving the 996 on a 996 internet forum. We are straight down the freakin' rabbit hole...
I never needed to do this before, but now after getting home from work (it's not a DD), I want to take the shirt that I wore to the dry cleaner right away and then do that every single day.
I'm always looking for an excuse to drive it.
sport riders generally love 911s (all my old buddies do, I just can't do the bike thing anymore), similar experience, gets up and goes, nimble, nice soundtrack, feels elemental. Go drive one, you'll love it.
True it doesn't rev like a Wankel but mine seems to rev more freely than my 993 did. Maybe the X-51 plays a part? That would be an interesting survey....
The Kool-aid comment was simply admitting that
I
am clearly in the minority here. It was not "running anybody down" it was not meant to be personal. If anything it is a poke at myself.
Lighten up.
You must be driving some pretty exotic machinery, there, son. The 996 is a light car. >300 pounds lighter than an E46 M3, if you don't load it up with boulevard options.
It's like being high without having to smoke dope. Try it, go on, just once. You'll see, never go back
The sound is sickening when done up right, +1 on the flat 6 sound
Sorry if I misunderstood. It's been a theme around here lately, is all. If people who didn't have Porsches ever read some of this stuff, I swear they'd round us up and commit the lot.
Driving my 996 is always exciting. It's hard to describe but when I've been away from it for a while it's like getting to have that special treat when you've been dieting all week.
I also enjoy the looks I get from kids. The car always makes them smile. Sometimes I take my oldest son to school in the Porsche and I love to see the genuine excitement in their eyes. I firmly believe that I am planting the seeds for the future crop of Porsche owners....
http://youtube.com/watch?v=KRbzJ0L1Zn8
It's a track car that's civil, street-able, comfortable yet aggressive and connected. When looked at or touched it puts you and everyone around it in a pleasant, dream-like state.
it's the greatest pleasure i've had driving a car. it's also the first time in a long time (maybe since i was 16 with my first car) where i felt connected to a car.
but on the flipside, if you use yours as a DD like i do, you also notice how bad other drivers around you are. how distracted. how many are on cellphones. you also wonder, "does that guy behind me barreling up to my rear bumper even have insurance?".
you start to drive in the left lane on the highway exclusively just so you can bail out on the shoulder when some self-important jackass on his/her cellphone has to slam on their brakes to avoid ending up in your back seat when traffic backs up in front of you.
the paranoia strikes just a bit.
all that is offset by a superlative driving experience. only thing is. . .speed is addictive. i'm already planning my mods. a quick estimate tells me i might have been better off if i had just bought a turbo and been done with it. i guess that'll be my next p-car.
I accomplished my life long dream of owning my 911 cab last Nov. Ever since then I have been performing the same ritual almost every weekend (not my daily driver)
Kids are playing or at a friends or otherwise occupied. Wife asks me to go to the store for a quick errand. Hop in the car, put the top down, turn on some good driving music, cruise out of the neighborhood nice and slow while warming up the engine in anticipation of what will soon be. Drive a few minutes until she is approximately 182 - 187 degrees F. Then I turn up the stero a little more, find one of my favorite long hills to climb and relive the experience of powering up the hill thru 2nd, 3rd and 4th up to about 120. by this time I am either uncontrolably laughing or screaming or just have the biggest smile my little face can muster.
I do this for about an hour, zoom up and down the coast line then remember to go get the bottle of whatever my wife asked me to get.
CANT WAIT UNTIL SATURDAY!!!!!!! might have to sneek home for a lunch run.
I say this to myself whenever I get a wide open stretch, especially with turbo prices in the floor, but then I look down at the 4 mph I am averaging and think better of it.
I'll be reunited with mine on Saturday after four months of driving Hertz slushmatics - I can't wait! Then a proper coast-to-coast drive a couple of weeks later.
It really is one of the "do-everything" cars, from canyon-carving to commuting to rolling up to a wedding in style. Very few other cars have that mix of engineering quality, practicality, style and driving enjoyment - maybe an M3, an S2000 or a C6 Corvette, depending on your taste.
Each time I crank the engine and let it warm up, I look out over the rear wing and then out my drivers side mirror to look at that fat hip over my left shoulder. And the first acceleration onto the main road is like the first time. I listen for the exhaust note, I work to shift as flawlessly as I can, and I always accelerate that first time at a reserved pace (b/c the engine isn't usually fully warmed up by then), knowing that I could just blast off.
I should add that when I'm not driving the car, I stare at it and just take in the lines, the rims, and everything else. It never gets old - not with any of the Porsches I"ve owned. The one I own now is particularly mesmerizing.
I would imagine a psychiatrist would have a good time with these thoughts.
The experience:
I walk up to the car and admire it
Check under the engine for RMS leak
Start the car and listen for any odd sounds.
Go for a spirited drive just waiting for the IMS to let go.
Get home, Park the car and breath a sigh of relief....
Clearly I am kidding, I just drive and enjoy! It is a rewarding car for sure.
BruceP, yes that was me (actually, still is..most of the self rightous ******** left and moved here......just kidding,.... so I still contribute and see what's what, last years Homecoming was a bit of a disapointment compared to past ones..I knew it would be my last)..and I wasn't directly comparing the Z3 to the 996, just the feeling I get vs driving everyday cars.....how do you compare a 30k 175HP car to an 80k 320 hp car?? for waht it is, the Z3 is a fun DRIVERS car...and that POS rear suspension has a great history or racing successes, and once dialed in, is fine, same as the E30 M3...but again, you obviously can't compare it to an all alloy 4-muli-link struted rear suspension. However, as I stated, the lowly Z3 has a far shorter, & better shifting feel stock, and smoother engine than the 996 by far. And the new M Coupe is a direct competitor for almost 1/2 the price of a 997, IMHO.
I would never compare the Z3 to the 911, regardless of what people think they read in my previous post. I was just establishing some context for my comments about the 911, ie. where I came from and what my definition of
'driver involvement'
might be. Those, for me, are really the key words. The 996's technical credentials obviously put it in another league to a much cheaper, parts-bin car with a mid-80s technology rear suspension. Obviously. But to me, moving from a two seat, relatively primitive and lightish roadster into a larger, more powerful and substantial coupe would have implied losing driver involvement in exchange. For me, the surprise in the 911 was that the opposite was the case.
bruce, i came from the s2000 which is still an awesome car, but.... i kinda miss drop top driving. you? but then i don't know if i'd ever get a 911 cab as i just don't like the look of it.
dare i say... boxster S? LOL i gotta drive one to see what all the hype is about.
About 8 days a year. The rest of the time, it's just really not that pleasant. Things changed a lot in terms of how I use my car when I decided to drive it every day of the week, and when I stopped driving it on weekends.
The 911 is therapy.
It's better than aspirin or Aleve, a hot shower, a long run, a marriage counselor, shooting hoops with a buddy, working in the garden, or an hour with a shrink.
The sound as the flat 6 comes on cam permeates your soul.
The other night, my wife and I had what you might call a tiff.
After I put the kids to bed, I opened the garage door and my 911 was already pointed nose-out, ready to resurrect my spirit.
When I came back 90 minutes later, my wife just asked "feel better now?"
"Yes, dear."
Right on Bruce, exactly...the look of the Coupe is just TOO nice vs the cab, IMHO, and while here in VA, I miss the ragtop more like 20 days out of the year, (if it's not spring rain, it's pollen, not pollen then humidity, etc, etc) I KNOW I'll drive the 911 a LOT more, and that's what it's all about. Boxster S are fun to drive but feels too small for me, feels smaller than even a Z3. I could never stand the S2000 styling at all, but my brother is on his 3rd, tracks and loves them. When I sent him pics of my new ride, he replied..."Well, I've never been a Porsche guy, but they blow by me like I'm standing still at Road Atlanta..."
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