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Check thouroughly

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Make sure it's checked thouroughly.

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Check special items such as valves

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A thorough PPI will take three hours or more depending upon the model and must include wheels-off inspection for accident repair, paint-thickness tests, leak-down and driving, verification of service history, OBD codes as well as checking for special items such as valves on early cars, recalls on later model cars and known problems on specific models.

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Leading evidence: 'Check thouroughly' (no explicit attributable resolution; this is a reported action or suggestion). Across 1 matching discussions, the most frequently mentioned possible cause is '"supply leather" option' (1 discussions; 0 report identifying it and 1 suggest it). The most frequently discussed action is 'Check special items such as valves' (1 discussions). For that action, 0 discussions report a resolution and 0 report an unsuccessful attempt. No action has an explicit, attributable resolution report under the current rules. These are forum reports and suggestions, not a confirmed diagnosis.

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Replace looks like the cd changer

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Looks like the CD changer was replaced, as the changer mount is still present, but unoccupied.

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"supply leather" option

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The fluffy seats are probably the "supply leather" option.

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Check special items such as valves

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Suggestion

A thorough PPI will take three hours or more depending upon the model and must include wheels-off inspection for accident repair, paint-thickness tests, leak-down and driving, verification of service history, OBD codes as well as checking for special items such as valves on early cars, recalls on later model cars and known problems on specific models.

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Clean than the standard leather seats

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The pic below is supple leather, which, BTW, are VERY conefortable and are easier to clean than the standard leather seats.

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Check special items such as valves

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Suggestion

A thorough PPI will take three hours or more depending upon the model and must include wheels-off inspection for accident repair, paint-thickness tests, leak-down and driving, verification of service history, OBD codes as well as checking for special items such as valves on early cars, recalls on later model cars and known problems on specific models.

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Check thouroughly

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Make sure it's checked thouroughly.

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Clean than the standard leather seats

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The pic below is supple leather, which, BTW, are VERY conefortable and are easier to clean than the standard leather seats.

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Replace looks like the cd changer

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Looks like the CD changer was replaced, as the changer mount is still present, but unoccupied.

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Test drive it

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I can look at it and then you can come out and test drive it.

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Use from a porsche dealer

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You can ONLY get the CPO from buying a car from a Porsche dealer and they CPO the car.....or.....you can get it from a private party one of two ways (1) the car was already a CPO when the private partive selling the car purchased it used from a Porsche dealer that CPO'd the car and can then transfer the CPO to you when you do a private party transaction...or (2) if the private party selling the car has (or you) a great relationship with the local Porsche dealer you can have them act as a "pass-thru" and CPO the car for you.

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"supply leather" option

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The fluffy seats are probably the "supply leather" option.

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POST 1 / ORIGINAL POSTEROriginal post

What do you guys think of this C4S on ebay? A couple of questions, I know full leather comes standard on the C4S but I've seen two different types of leather seats, the tight stitched seats and the loose, "fluffy" seats which one is the more expensive option? Also since someone else brought this up on the board, how do you know if the lights are litronic just based on looking at a picture of the headlamps? Is there an external difference? Thanks! http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/WHEEL...QQcmdZViewItem

POST 2Original post

The fluffy seats are probably the "supply leather" option. More luxury, thats all. Some folks like it, some don't. If you are going to use the car as a daily driver, supple leather seats can be a lot more comfortable. Here is a pic of mine...

POST 3Original post

The car in the link you posted does NOT have "supple" leather seats. The supple leather seats do not have the smaller "strips" or tufts of leather on the rear of the seat bottom. The pic below is supple leather, which, BTW, are VERY conefortable and are easier to clean than the standard leather seats.

POST 4Original post

Halogen = No Headlight Washers (Chrome Cap looking pieces) Bi-Xenon = Headlight Washers IIRC, the option is 601??? Hopefully others can chime in. I am guessing you can get them 2 ways, (1) option 601 or (2) a "package" that includes them. From those pictures in the auction it is hard to tell and MANY people mistake the Bi-XENON lights with HALOGENS since they are both projector style lights.

POST 5Original post

This place is not too far away from me. Let me know if you'd like me to check it out. I will not be able to give you a good assessment of the mechanical condition of the car, but I should be able to give it a once over and let you know if I'd touch it.

POST 6Original post

Lotsta miles. Make sure it's checked thouroughly. A car with that many miles has had alot of service, (hopefully) oil, brakes, maintanence. Make SURE you get all records on it. If they DON'T have them, make them get 'em. Also, call PCNA, have them give you ANY dealer where warranty work or major service was required. Call and ask what work was done. Have it PPI'd by a PPI company. Go drive it BEFORE you pay!!!

POST 7Original post

I agree with that entirely. Do all the homework that you can, then if it passes scrutiny, then if there's time before the auction ends (I see htat it ends tomorrow). I can look at it and then you can come out and test drive it. One heads up, I don't think this place has been around long. I saw an ad. for a car there when I was buying my car earlier in the year, plus when I've driven by there I noted that the sign is pretty new. The main thing is to check the background of the car, as I would class htese guys as sellers of high end cars. Edit: I took a look at their website and it looks like the quality of their stock has increased since I was last there.

POST 8Original post

They have the car listed for $52,700 on their website. http://www.eimports4less.com/inventory.asp

POST 9Original post

I got mine for $56,500. Everything checked out on it. Now, personally, I would rather have a year older car with 17k miles for my price. That said, if you can get this car for $50 or close to it, and everything checks out, it may be worth a go. JUST my opinion, others WILL differ.

POST 10Original post

Aside from pmletter.com, nada, edmunds, kbb and looking at closed auctions on eBay, I'd suggest driving it and generally getting a feel for the C4S. Anywhere around $50K for such a heavily optioned example would be a bargain. I'd like to see the window sticker and the service history and be sure this car isn't exhibiting troubles. A CPO contract (usually around $2K) would be a good move in case all that AWD Carrera engine goodness needed anything beyond a filter flip and tires.

POST 11Original post

You might want to arrange for Holbert Porsche in Warrington to do the PPI. http://holbert.porschedealer.com/ I take mine there and they have been pretty good to me.

POST 12 / ORIGINAL POSTEROriginal post

Thanks for your inputs. And Oreganet thanks for your offer. I'm in touch with their sales and may ask for your once-over with the car. Oreganet do you know about how much a PPI is at Warrington Porsche? Carfax for what it's worth is clean 3 owner car in NY, NJ, Penn; car still has active Porsche warranty. Also, how does one get a CPO on a vehicle?

POST 13Original post

A 150 point, THOUROUGH inspection should NO MORE than 2bills. MAKE them guarantee EVERYTHING they inspect.

POST 14Original post

Only ways to get a CPO is to 1) buy a car that is already a CPO car from a private seller, or 2) buy a car from a Porsche dealer.

POST 15Original post

I've not clue, but as Gant said, it should be less than 200. I got a $140 price from a different dealer when I bought my car.

POST 16Original post

How does a 2003 (MOST audio BUS, correct?) get a JL Audio amp? Was everything replaced?

POST 17Original post

Looks like the CD changer was replaced, as the changer mount is still present, but unoccupied.

POST 18Original post

Any Porsche can be sold a CPO by any dealer even when it's sold between private parties, but it does have to have a service history to qualify. A thorough PPI will cost more than $200. A thorough PPI will take three hours or more depending upon the model and must include wheels-off inspection for accident repair, paint-thickness tests, leak-down and driving, verification of service history, OBD codes as well as checking for special items such as valves on early cars, recalls on later model cars and known problems on specific models.

POST 19Original post

Yes and No. You can ONLY get the CPO from buying a car from a Porsche dealer and they CPO the car.....or.....you can get it from a private party one of two ways (1) the car was already a CPO when the private partive selling the car purchased it used from a Porsche dealer that CPO'd the car and can then transfer the CPO to you when you do a private party transaction...or (2) if the private party selling the car has (or you) a great relationship with the local Porsche dealer you can have them act as a "pass-thru" and CPO the car for you. Basically the dealer buys the car from the seller, CPO's it, then sells it to you for that price plus the CPO cost (and any misc fees).

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