My salesman almost "killed" me!!!!

Lol, he literally killed me on a test-drive today. Scenario: Decided to drop by my dealership (Pacific Porsche in Torrance) for a quick test-drive after comming back from work. I was greeted by a salesman [sorry don't want to mention his name], and told him that I have been looking for a preowned 911 (99-01). He was nice enough to pull out a 03 C2 for a test-drive, so hopped into the drivers seat and took off with ease. I was acutally driving pretty slow and being rather gentle. He got a little impatient and told me to park somewhere, and took over shortly after. WHOOA....all hell broke loose!! He was redlining the car, driving past 100mph on local streets, cutting ppl off, taking 90 degrees turns! I am just so impressed with the car, handled like a champion. Have a couple questions if you guys don't mind. 1) Do pre 02 models (99-01) perform as well as the 02s and 03s? Does the extra 15 hp really make that much of a difference? 2) Is it a better idea to lease or buy a 02 model? Thx, JACK

hmmmmmm, at the risk of being flamed royally, you should consider buying a real Porsche, a 96, 97 or 98 oil cooled 993 rather than the newer models with water cooled, wet sump engines and cheapo seats, etc. The 95 - 98 model years are the best looking Porsches as well, if you prefer a modern look. The 996 look too Asian, in my view. But this is personal preference. Personally, I prefer the more classic Porsche look, but with the 3.6 engine. Flame Suit On - go to it! Chuck 93 C2

Almost right on,Scupper. Everyone knows that REAL Porsches are '84 - 89 911s - and are the best looking too! To answer your question, I believe you will find the 99 and on perform VERY similarly to the later models and the extra horsepower is only slightly noticible. Leases are good if you don't plan to keep the car, buy if you want to keep it more than 4 years.

Close tie between the 3.2 Carrera's and 993's for best looks. I know my next additions will be a 993 and a 930. The new cars are still gorgeous just different type of Porsche. Unlimited funds? I'd buy a Carrera 4s too.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica"><strong> Everyone knows that REAL Porsches are '84 - 89 911s - and are the best looking too! </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Oh puhleeze.... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> Jack, go over to the 996 forum and ask there. I believe in 2002 (maybe 2001?) Porsche made some significant internal changes to the engine, which raised it from the earlier POS 996 engines to one that's considered decent.

If youre going to spend the money, Id opt for a 73 RS. But thats just me. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

If you liked that 03 996, then you should try a 911. 911's were the Porsches produced from 1965 to 1998. You might like the 911 if you like things in the raw, like sex without protection. But if you are the type that likes protection to keep you safe, then look up the 996 board. But if you do start to appreciate that German mechanical feel instead of the Asian feel of the 996, try a 993. Or for real fun in that price range, you can look at a 1973 Carrera RS lightweight. Or for less money, a well made RS lookalike or a 930 turbo with every proven horsepower trick will be a fun car.

Well, looks like you�ve got quite a few opinions happenin� out here, Jack. The most important thing for you do is to choose the Porsche YOU like and can afford. Ask yourself what originally drew you to Porsche and what has kept you interested in them since? What type of budget do you have? You should always plan on having an extra $5-10K ready for up-grades and maintenance required anytime in the future. I have been very happy with my choice of a 1984 Carrera 3.2 coupe delivered with the Factory M-491 Turbo Look option. For me, the choice was simple; it has the ultimate mix of looks, handling, reasonable performance and �normal� maintenance. IMHO, the 930 bodywork has the classic 911 Porsche lines, plus the raw menacing look of bulging fenders and fat tires mounted on deep rims. This is the �look� and "feel" that helped define what Porsches are to us today. So, you have to ask yourself this question: What can I afford? If you are on a limited budget, it won�t be too difficult to find an interesting and affordable older �classic�. If money is no object, then you can go as old, rare or as new as you like, all the way up to a new GT3. Please, let us know what you decide! Remember: there is no substitute...

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by craigg: <strong> Everyone knows that REAL Porsches are '84 - 89 911s - and are the best looking too! </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">WHAT?!? Everyone that's anyone knows that the best looking 911's were the pre-74 cars! Really, if you actually like the look of the loading-ramp bumpers then I could show you something really sexy in a U-Haul cube van... j/k! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by Ed Bighi: [QB]If you liked that 03 996, then you should try a 911. 911's were the Porsches produced from 1965 to 1998. QB]</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Actually, you better check the current porsche literature - the 996 is a 911 too, as was the 930, the 964 and the 993!

This is just too much fun reading all of your replys. I agree with Paul C. where he describes the need for a more visceral driving feel and look that his 84 Coupe M-491 provides. Paul M. 85 Carrera Coupe

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica"> WHAT?!? Everyone that's anyone knows that the best looking 911's were the pre-74 cars! </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">So very true. Of course, 993's are very close behind as the 2nd best 911's ever made. <img border="0" alt="[thumbsup]" title="" src="graemlins/bigok.gif" />

Jackmac, take the money you were planning to spend on the 996 and by five or six mid-seventy 911s. They're more fun to drive and you'll never be without a spare, while one is in the shop. You'll also have the opportunity to take them out to the track without worrying about crumpling a fender, while you learn to drive like the sales guy.

(Pacific Porsche in Torrance) Jack, I live close to that dealer. Last week, I stopped by there as the owner was locking up. He had his 83, 911 race-car up on a flat bed which he was going to drive to the track. Really nice, great guy...spent a long time just talking with me in the parking lot about various Porsche models through history, what to look for in a pre-owned 911...etc. Just being a regular guy and not trying to sell me anything. It was a good experience with a dealer (for a change)

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by Stuttgart951: <strong>If youre going to spend the money, Id opt for a 73 RS. But thats just me. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Me too!!

how about this: <img src="http://www.mustangmods.net/data/563/carrera200.jpg" alt=" - " /> 74 911 Carrera #95, with a 3.0 liter modified turbo engine, and numerous other goodies.. I had a 90 C2, drove a few 99 996's, and this car is BY FAR the most fun car to drive i've ever experienced.. nothing beats 300+ Air cooled HP in a car that weighs 2300lbs

Santore, you and most 911 admirers are the type of people who know what "911" truly means. And it does not mean comfort or cup holders. Neither does it mean just speed. But rather, how that speed is delivered.

R. Santore, that is an impressive looking beast. Nice work.

thanks for the compliments, this car has the absolute WORST ride quality, no power steering, no a/c, no radio, no back seat, no leather... it is by far the most uncomfortable car i've ever been in, but it is truly "porsche" in every essence and one stab of the gas pedal and one hard corner is all i need to see where the soul is in this car.. and thats enough to satisfy me forever <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

I dunno. I think they stopped making real 911's after 1972. Isn't that right, Paul?

Sonic dB, Was it Carl? It doesn't sound like Mike (the owner). Carl is an enthusiast and a great guy to talk to about P-cars, but I don't think Mike spends too much time on the track.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by jackmac: <strong>....Do pre 02 models (99-01) perform as well as the 02s and 03s? ...</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">If that salesperson is driving?? Probably....

I always say, go test drive as many cars as you can and get a real good feel fror what YOU like! And if a Salesman or anyone else for that matter is a poor driver...Tell them to knock it off! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> Happy motoring & good luck/skill!

88clbsport...yes it was Carl. I thought he said he was the owner... maybe not. Very nice guy and his advice helped me out a lot. Is their service dept any good?

Figured it had to be Carl packing up for the weekend, he was heading to Willow and will probably be there this weekend also. He's the sales manager and a good guy. Besides that older 911, he also has a 993 that he tracks when the wife competes. If you are looking to buy from a dealer, new or used, Carl is definitely Porsche car savvy, talk to him and get what you "really" want. He has a pretty good handle on what is available in the So. Cal area.

The fact these were ever on par, price wise, is mind boggling to me. That said, this the best advice every give on the internet.

Wow, a 17 year old thread back from the dead, quite impressive

^^^ This ^^^

Rough crowd, wow.

A 996 discussion without even a mention of IMS. Now, that's impressive. I guess the IMS didn't exist in 2003? LOL

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Back then, the fried egg lights and water cooling criticisms overshadowed real issues like IMS bearing failure, intermix, D-chunk, cylinder bore scoring, etc. It's amazing how people get caught up in the wrong things.

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Someone buying a 992 today could buy 5-7 996s today. What goes around comes around. I had an 88 911 Targa back when the 996 was new that was worth about $17k

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There are some things that haven�t changed in 17 years