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I like cars for the visceral experience, the sense that I'm experiencing something with history - something that is the output of a leader's mission, rather than a check-box solution to what focus groups say people want.
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To set the context (NOT to sound obnoxious...), I haven't driven or even been in a normal 911 in a long time, let alone a 996; really only been around GT3s, GT2s, Turbos - all cars that have really gotten outrageous and full of "stuff." Fortunate to have friends who love cool Porsches.
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To set the context (NOT to sound obnoxious...), I haven't driven or even been in a normal 911 in a long time, let alone a 996; really only been around GT3s, GT2s, Turbos - all cars that have really gotten outrageous and full of "stuff." Fortunate to have friends who love cool Porsches.
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Hello All,
I'm enjoying my new to me C4S, but I seem to find myself looking at turbos quite often lol. I've heard a lot of talk about people liking their C4S more than their Turbo for various reasons.(Must be great to have both!) However, not much elaboration on what those reasons are. I personally have never driven the 996 turbo. I imagine it's quite a bit faster. Any thoughts from owners on which is the better, or more fun car to drive?
Only downside I can see on the turbo is more expensive maintenance. However, faster costs more. It's just a fact of life. In racing we used to call it "Cubic Dollars"!
I too have a 996 4s and have never been in a turbo, let alone drive one. The way i push my 4s i�d be scared to step up to a tt, it could only get me in trouble.
Maybe someday as a track car, but i doubt it.
I owned a C4S and have driven turbo's. The Turbo by comparison (and in reality) is insanely fast. Like to the point I was sure I would get into an accident if I owned one because I don't have the self control to not push it to its limits.
I loved the way the C4S looked, but I didn't personally care for the way the car drove. To me it felt heavy, the steering didn't feel very flat and I wouldn't consider it a fast car on its own. The AWD was kind of pointless living in a southern state. Ultimately I got rid of it for an Anniversary Edition w/ X51 and LSD and am now completely satisfied. For me the C4S is the perfect Sierra Nevada/California mountain car. It could handle a bit of snow and ice flawlessly and you could still get your summer kicks as well.
GT2 > GT3 > Turbo > 996 (with Factory Aero Kit) > C4S > regular 996
I believe GT3 / GT2 and Turbo share the same engine Mezger but with different internal and some components. a Turbo car will hold its value but you will pay almost twice as a regular 996
I haven't been a RWD Porsche since I was a kid, so don't really remember the feeling. I'm not sure the AWD is a necessity for me with the weather conditions i drive in, but maybe it sticks the car to the road a bit better? The GT2's have got got be insane. The one currently on BaT has got to be scary! lol
haha, i'd probably be in the same boat as you. If i drove a turbo like I do my 4's i can't imagine anything other than trouble! hah
It's gotta be pretty cool when that turbo kicks in!
I may not have the self control for the turbo either! Same reason I don't ride motorcycles. The C4s is my favorite styling of all the 996 models. I would love to have the extra performance of the X51!
I'm sure the GT3 is an awesome car and really fun to drive! i personally don't care too much for the styling of GT3 in 996. Just my taste, but they are cool!
It seems like "nice" C4s prices are on the rise. The price difference between a "nice" 4s and a good "driver" turbo is narrowing a bit. Part of the reason i find myself looking at turbos almost daily haha
I'm close to Philly, would love to meet and bum a ride in your 996tt to finally experience the thrill. Would gladly offer you to drive my 996 4s MT if you care to experience that. LOL i know its not a fair trade......
Definitely!
The Turbo is a far more robust package. It's bigger and feels more solid. The motor is a masterpiece. My car has Ohlins, a world-class tune by UMW, GT2 intercoolers, and a few other little things that dial a bit of Motorsport into an otherwise legendary GT car. It's blisteringly fast, wildly competent in nearly every road task, understated but exotic, and full of personality. As far as I'm concerned, I think the 996 Turbo is one of the very few cars that sits at the golden intersection where the limits of tech in performance ICE engineering were reached, but before tech became pervasive in ergonomics, materials, and emissions, where safety standards influenced design, and where a totally new generation of sports cars arrived. Wasser and headlights included, the 996TT is an icon that represents the pinnacle of 90's Porsche engineering.
The C2 was a real shock for me. To set the context (NOT to sound obnoxious...), I haven't driven or even been in a normal 911 in a long time, let alone a 996; really only been around GT3s, GT2s, Turbos - all cars that have really gotten outrageous and full of "stuff." Fortunate to have friends who love cool Porsches. So getting into a "base 996" was a stark contrast. But the narrowbody C2 has satisfied me beyond imagination. It's small, LIGHT, and nimble. The car's essence is so pure and simple. It's way more of a traditional 911 than any of these new cars. It's quiet but harmonic, easy to drive, and dual personality - when I'm stuck in my head, it's docile, melting into the background of my thoughts. I forget I'm driving. But on the other hand, if I'm on one of our tremendous back roads, it's truly a thrilling sports car that delivers every single input I ask of it. It's a much more intimate experience than the Turbo in the sense that it's quiet about everything it does. The C2 strings together a set of curves while the Turbo is a violent set of acceleration and braking techniques (especially one with 550+hp).
I really love both cars. My best summary is that they're simply different. Both sit in the same general profile, but they execute on it so differently, and the magic is where they diverge because they're so good at what they specialize in.
Overall, I'm a huge 996 enthusiast. They're spartan like true Porsche 911s should be, dead reliable, high quality, and immensely good driver's cars. My dad got into Porsche before the brand meant a thing in the 1960's, and his mindset has shaped mine in many ways. I'd feel like a diva driving a 992 to my office. I like cars for the visceral experience, the sense that I'm experiencing something with history - something that is the output of a leader's mission, rather than a check-box solution to what focus groups say people want. The 996s are dogged for various reasons, but for me, they're perfect 911s because they embody what keeps my car-guy-fire lit bright. I probably have more experience with what most people say is "better than a 996" than 95% of the peanut gallery, and try to stay objective, so I consider my conclusion here well-informed and without bias.
^^^^^ THIS ^^^^^
Sums up my feelings exactly. A base (coupe/6-sp/2wd) 996.2 is 281 lbs lighter than a C4S 996.2 -- and a base 996.1 is 339 lbs lighter than a C4S 996.2. A base 996.2 is 436 lbs lighter than a Turbo and a base 996.1 is 494 lbs lighter than a Turbo. The lightest form of the 996 is pure sports car (feels like the late 60s / early 70s 911's to me -- but a lot faster, and a lot more comfortable). I recommend trying a base car, a turbo, and a C4S and pick what moves you. For a driver's car, the base car is hard to beat. Of course, the reliability/power of the Mezger engine is also extremely attractive. The C4S also looks amazing. Pick what moves you.
@Evolution
Great write-up. I tried to click the Like button repeatedly, but to no avail beyond the first. I've been looking to upgrade from C2 to TT, but you've got me thinking I should simply add TT to the family. How to break that to my CFO?
I drove a 996 turbo, 997 C4, 991, 996 C4 before settling on my C4S. I think if I had more experience with sports cars, I wouldn't have been scared of the Turbo.
As it was, I was sure I would kill myself in the Turbo.
I had a chance to drive
this McClaren
at a Robb Report event a few years ago. Upon first acceleration, I was immediately struck with the dread emotion of "This is a car I could easily die in".
I look forward to my first opportunity to drive a TT.
Well said! I came from the other end, just bought my first 996 C2 and already own a 1972 Targa. The C2 is way more interesting to drive than I thought: engaging when you want it to but also comfortable on longer journeys without being the constant attack on your senses that the �72 is. I expected it to be relatively bland but it still feels very special and fun to drive, and because it�s more practical, you can also use it all the time. I don�t have experience with later 911s or the Turbo unfortunately.
I would guess that the viscous coupler clutch was not working very well or at all. Mine was $142,000 x50. And the wad workings are the same between c4 and turbo, but the 6 th gear ratio is lower on the turbo. The x50 was pretty doggy around town, making first gear extremely short.
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