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They are fantastic cars - a "Japanese 911" is probably the highest praise they earn.

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Check the LMP2/DP2/P2 stats for the last few years.

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Check the LMP2/DP2/P2 stats for the last few years.

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Replace rear suspension mid year

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If you go down this road you'll want to find a late production 2004 , as they changed the rear suspension mid year to eliminate a camber problem that caused earlier production cars to eat rear tires.

Out with the old, in with the new

Test driving a 'vette if it does

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I don't know if that day will ever come, but I'll be test driving a 'Vette if it does.

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Use while you're working

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Sell the 996 and you have enough for the turbo, a beater DD to use while you're working on the Z, and enough in the bank for an extra motor.

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Check the LMP2/DP2/P2 stats for the last few years.

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Replace rear suspension mid year

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If you go down this road you'll want to find a late production 2004 , as they changed the rear suspension mid year to eliminate a camber problem that caused earlier production cars to eat rear tires.

Out with the old, in with the new

Test driving a 'vette if it does

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I don't know if that day will ever come, but I'll be test driving a 'Vette if it does.

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Use while you're working

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Sell the 996 and you have enough for the turbo, a beater DD to use while you're working on the Z, and enough in the bank for an extra motor.

Out with the old, in with the new
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They are fantastic cars - a "Japanese 911" is probably the highest praise they earn.

Out with the old, in with the new
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POST 1 / ORIGINAL POSTEROriginal post

Retired the '02 996 for a new daily driver - 2014 370Z Nismo photo 1.JPG photo 2.JPG photo 3.JPG photo 4.JPG photo 5.JPG Parked in my neighbor's driveway for comparison. The handling of the Z is phenomenal! It turns effortlessly and the brakes are leaps and bounds ahead of the 996 - not even close. Of course it's twelve years newer and a top of the line model as opposed to the base model 996. The power and torque figures are comparable - the Z has more horses but also carries more weight. They also accelerate very differently: the Z doesn't kick in till about 5k and it's a very smooth curve whereas the 996 leaps at about 3200 when the variocam kicks in and it sucks me back into the seat. I still don't have the Z broken in (only 1100 miles) so I can't really compare flat out performance, but that's coming up very soon! I haven't decided whether I will sell the 996 or keep it. It's paid for but if I don't drive it much I don't see the point in keeping it just to have it in the garage and drive it on weekends. That seems a waste. Plus the expense of maintenance and insurance - I'm still thinking on it.

POST 2Original post

Congrats on the new car purchase. It should be a nice daily driver.

POST 3Original post

Interesting purchase, nice to hear your enthusiasm. Why not sell the Porsche and put that $ to future improvements to the Z.

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I am certainly leaning towards selling the 996 but I can't think of any improvements to be made to the Nismo. Personalization certainly but improvements to the Z are like improvements to the 996 - you don't get much improvement for the money.

POST 6Original post

CONGRATS!!! I was all set to buy a Z but opted to follow my gut and get a 996. No regrets and will do it all over again but have to admit that I always had a soft spot for Z-cars.......ever since I laid eyes on the early Zs way back when

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Had a 2003 350Z for a few months about 4 years ago. They are fantastic cars - a "Japanese 911" is probably the highest praise they earn. Strongly considering a 2004 or 2005 for my younger son (and I'll have to sneak some drives in it from time to time). Great looking Nismo. How civilized is it? I've never driven one, and my uninformed assumption would be that a Nismo might be a little harsh for a daily driver.

POST 8Original post

I like almost everything about the Z except the outward visibility, the brakes, and the too low seating position. It seems like it's trying to hard to be a sports car, while the 996 feels a lot more understated and takes everything in stride.

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The ride quality is very similar to the 996 - stiff but not harsh and very quiet. The engine revs very smooth. I was very surprised being it's a V6.

POST 10Original post

Congratulations, it could even be better...but its still a Nissan.

POST 11Original post

Congrats! Very nice Does it bug anyone else that it tries so hard to look like a Porsche? Flattery, I suppose

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The Z has been around and racing almost as long as the Porsche (since 1969) although they are not in the same class. Whether it tries to look like a Porsche is a matter of perspective. I think all race cars borrow from each other and the past and can be said to have similar aerodynamic physiognomy. I'm sure the Jag guys said the same thing about the original 240Z: th.jpeg th-2.jpeg

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I had a 2004 Z for five years ... pretty good all around touring car and really good value for about $25k brand new. If you go down this road you'll want to find a late production 2004 , as they changed the rear suspension mid year to eliminate a camber problem that caused earlier production cars to eat rear tires. Mine was late production and was the least temperamental sports car I have ever encountered. Zero problems, zero attitude ... it just ran. A base model Z might be a good choice for a DD ... 17" wheels and softer suspension than a NISMO.

POST 14Original post

The Z finished second to the 996 in my car search. Good choice. TC

POST 15Original post

Trade em both in and get a gt3. J/k(not really) but enjoy the new ride.

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Check the LMP2/DP2/P2 stats for the last few years. It will be...educational.

POST 17 / ORIGINAL POSTEROriginal post

Other cool things: New factory engine block - $1500 New factory replacement engine - $7296.69 New factory replacement transmission - $1843.56 New factory replacement LSD - $678.90 Not to mention all the suspension components, aftermarket parts and upgrades, etc. Just saying...

POST 18Original post

I came from an '04 Track model 350Z to the 997S, and then 996. I bought the Z new and drove it 6 years w/no issues or regrets as they're built to last. The Z's are great cars although they (the generation I had owned) had cooling issues on the track. I also looked at a 370 Nismo before going the Porsche route. The throttle auto-blip feature on the manual tranny was awesome. Best of luck w/your new purchase and enjoy....

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This. Spend $5K in turbo parts to make a monster. If you pop the block, you're only out $1.5K - $7K. Sell the 996 and you have enough for the turbo, a beater DD to use while you're working on the Z, and enough in the bank for an extra motor. I love my 911, but I miss the world of cheap upgrades, cheap power adders, and cheap replacement parts.

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I don't know if I'll ever have any interest in spending the time, money, effort, and upkeep for that kind of modification. I will not say never, but I just don't see it. That's why I bought the Nismo version - it's the same car they sell to the race teams with very minor alterations (like stability management, abs, roll cage, etc), but the engine is exactly the same. That was one of the things I liked, kinda' like buying a GT3 instead of spending all kinds of money chasing the performance of a GT3. I might do an intake eventually, perhaps coil-overs and related suspension components, but that will be after warranty and it's paid for. For now I will simply enjoy it.

POST 21Original post

I see 5 Z cars for one of every Porsche of any type.

POST 22Original post

I hear you - OTOH, the bump from 350 to 500HP for 6 grand, CARB legal, is a nice option you don't see for the 996. Enjoy the Z.

POST 23Original post

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...and here in CA, I see 20 Porsches for every one Lamborghini or Ferrari. If you're gunning for exclusivity, neither the 996 nor the Z are especially rare. If you're trying to find an awesome car for the money, both are great choices.

POST 24Original post

Nice car! One day I plan on purchasing one also.

POST 26Original post

The Z is a good car. Just does not seem "grown up" to me. I had a 280ZX, 20 years ago...made several fun high speed cross country runs. Put 250K miles on it and sold it for $500 when I was done. Hp to $$ ratio on the new Z is unbeatable. For me however...this Z just doesn't do it in the car lust emotion dept. It's IMHO tech heavy, in a gadgety, soulless disposable kind of technology item.

POST 28Original post

I think the new Corvette offers more horsepower per dollar, or at least enough that it should be considered if that is something high on your list of purchase criteria. I know that I would seriously consider a new Corvette if I ever decided to buy something other than a Porsche. I don't know if that day will ever come, but I'll be test driving a 'Vette if it does.

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Agreed, that is why I sold my Subaru STI, so I upgraded to an E46 M3. Started to feel a little juvenile rolling up to client sites with that big *** wing on the back. Feel very proud to roll up in a 911 though

POST 30Original post

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Agreed, IMHO moving to a Z from P-Car would be regression. It takes ***** and money to own a 911, not everyone is cut out to own one. While on the other hand, it is easy to buy a reliable Japanese car that goes fast and looks sporty and not have to worry about hurting your pockets. That is what separates the Boys from the Men. If I were to get out of a P-Car, it would be a Corvette, Aston Martin, Audi R8, Lambo or F-Car...no going back unless its by force, not by choice

POST 31Original post

Very nice purchase, Don! Congrats!! Enjoy in good health!

POST 32 / ORIGINAL POSTEROriginal post

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Oh pleeeeze. Can you be any more self-aggrandizing and pretentious. Owning a 911 doesn't require extra large boxers or make one the equal of Hemmingway. It's just a car. It doesn't convey super-powers, culture, or accomplishment.

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Says the guy who bought a Z

POST 34Original post

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I'm pretty sure that all it takes to own a 911 is slightly-better-than-average credit. I'm also fairly sure that some of the women who drive AX and TT would disagree about the testicular requirements. On the plus side, it's good to see that you are excited to be a Porsche owner!

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Coincidentally, I parked next to an R8 at 7-11 on my way back from lunch today (gotta have my Monster fix), and the 996 was getting equal ogling when I got back outside.

POST 36Original post

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Yes, I am very passionate about these cars, in fact I bought a boxster last weekend will post soon. Better than average credit will only cover the cost to get into the carnival, the games, rides, etc. is a different story.

POST 37Original post

Congrats on the Boxster. My '03 986 was the best-handling car I've ever owned.

POST 38Original post

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Thanks 5CHN3LL, so far I love that thing! Had the top down, down shifted and was instantly hooked!

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