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YOUR RESEARCHIMS bearing failure....it's all just a matter of numbers....
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The official IMS thread at the top of the thread listings is really good and filled with info.
IMS bearing failure....it's all just a matter of numbers....
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My feelings on the IMSB issue was failure rate between 3-8% so if you call it 5% that's about 1 in 20.
IMS bearing failure....it's all just a matter of numbers....
Clean air would go a long way
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If you really want to be part of the in crowd, some pics of the spatulas you installed to clean the air would go a long way.
IMS bearing failure....it's all just a matter of numbers....
Repair cost of say �10,000 or $15,000
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With a repair cost of say �10,000 or $15,000, that means an average cost of IMS bearing failure during an average ownership of �200.
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Replace clutch
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Replace imsb
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Or the one a few months ago with the guy that lost his motor about 3k after replacing the IMSB with LN's and wants to blame the LN bearing even though no real investigation was done before (to make sure other known failure points weren't problems) or after (to trace which part failed first).
IMS bearing failure....it's all just a matter of numbers....
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So having been considering my first 911 for a while (implication: there�s more to come!) and decided that the 996 is a lot of car for the money, I was understandably concerned about all the IMS bearing failure horror stories. Initially, it almost put me off the car but then I thought some more�
So what proportion of 996�s will suffer an IMS bearing failure in their lifetime? By all accounts it seems to be between 5 and 10%. For a moment, let�s take the pessimistic extreme and assume 1 in 10 fail. Now that�s painful if it�s your car, but�
Let�s also assume that the cars may have a lifespan of 20 years and in that time cover 120,000 miles. Many will live longer and cover more miles of course, but again let�s be pessimistic. So the average mileage might be 6,000 miles per year�a 2003 car then would have covered around 72,000 miles which seems to be typical for that age.
On that basis then, we get a failure in 1 in 10 cars in their lifetime, and with a lifetime of 20 years that means a failure once in every 200 years of ownership. I don�t know how long people typically keep their 996�s � 4 years perhaps? So there is a 1 in 50 chance of a failure during ownership, that�s not so high. With a repair cost of say �10,000 or $15,000, that means an average cost of IMS bearing failure during an average ownership of �200. Certainly a tiny cost compared and less than a single service. Of course, as I said earlier, if it�s your car it�s going to hurt but I can�t see what anyone should be put off buying a 996.
What this does say though, is that someone offering an insurance policy at �300 per year should have a very profitable business model�at the end of the day, it�s a risk which is small but has big consequences if you�re the unlucky one, no different to theft or accident�it would be nice to be able to insure against it. So if anyone in insurance fancies offering a new policy I might just be your first customer�
I still bought and love my 996 though ☺
Not quite sure of your point. I assume you mean it is a relatively small percentage of IMSB failures, so the risk is worth the reward. If so, I agree. Can't worry about everything in life or you will go bonkers.
Oh, goodie, a new member crunching IMSB numbers in a new thread instead of the IMSB discussion thread.
What a refreshing idea, and complete with novel thinking!
OP, the IMS bearing is - by most rational people - now considered a wear item. Wear items have a service life, and once that service life is depleted, the part fails.
100% of wear items will eventually fail.
The good news is that every car is full of other wear items, so there's a good chance your car will die from something else before your IMS bearing fails. However, if all other components last forever, there's a 100% chance your IMS bearing will fail.
You - and every other new 996 owner - try to rationalize bearing failure by making up some numbers that make you feel comfortable. If that's what it takes to get you to buy the car, or convince the wife that the car is a good purchase - good on you.
Your "calculations" assume that the part fails after a specific service life - 20 years, in your case. This is an entirely bogus assumption, but it's just one of the fundamental flaws in your happy math.
The reality is that once you commit to buy a 996, you can fall into one of two camps: the "do nothings," who are OK with whatever happens, and the "do somethings," who actively try to prevent an IMSB failure.
I understand the urge to try to minimize the worry that a failure may affect you. Odds are it won't - but cooking up statistics to make you feel better does nothing but further muddy the already opaque subject of bearing failure.
There must be at least 100 Rennlisters who own a 996. So....if any RL'r with a 996 has a verifiable IMSB failure, then all Rennlisters send the poor guy (or girl) $150. Then...when (not if), YOUR IMSB fails, you will receive the same payout!
I call it "Insurance Makes Sleeping Better"
Of course, I will administer the program. There is a nominal 10% Admin fee for each payout. But it's a small price to pay for piece of mind.
You are welcome.
Hello Stewart. Don't let the constipated "old timers" on the forum discourage you from putting your ideas out here. The 996 is a great road car that marks a point in time in Porsche's evolution from "car maker" to "auto-conglomerate." Have a great time and drive it as often as possible.
IMSB insurance fund? I think I should administer it as 1) I have a spare coffee can and 2) I'm Canadian.
Stewart - enjoy your car and thanks for posting. The official IMS thread at the top of the thread listings is really good and filled with info. I have questions too.
Question to all that are now engaged with this thread: anyone take a stethoscope and listen over the IMSB site? This MAY be a crazy idea but so was "Internet TV" back in the 80's.
And all joking aside, are there any after-market insurance companies that will cover a 15 year old car for something like an IMSB failure? EasyCare?
John: these are exactly the kind of posts that need to stop being made. It's pure gibberish.
OP "accepts" that there may be a 5-10% incidence of IMSB failure, and then by creatively applying nonsense, determines that he has a 2% chance of having an IMSB failure over the course of 4 years' ownership.
EVERY thread on RL stuffed with nonsense "facts" serves to confuse the issue ever more. Google now has one more thread to index and serve up when someone searches for information about IMSB failure - and this thread is full of misinformation the original poster made up for the sake of convincing himself that he's unlikely to have any car trouble over the next four years.
This f****g lunacy needs to stop.
Seriously? This is a 'first-world problem� that is fun to talk about. Want to experience some real f****g lunacy? Go do some volunteer work in a third-world country where kids starve on river banks with vultures 3 feet away. In other words, it's ok to be upset about something, why not make it a good cause...
...and just when I thought it couldn't get any more insane (inane?), someone chimes in about volunteering in a third-world country. Welcome to the best IMS thread ever.
My kids and I are watching terminator (2 days ago), terminator 2 (last night), and T3 today in preparation for genisys opening tomorrow. They have not seen the movies before. We skipped salvation - not sure if it is relevant to the movies.
And by the way - the first mad max was was awesome.
I don't know what you did wrong, man - Stu said there's only had a 2% chance of IMSB failure, yet you managed to foul that up. Way to screw up the curve. It must be because you drove more than 26.2 miles a given day, as indicated by Rennlist's new resident mathematician.
Stu also did the math and determined that there's less than a .223% chance of developing 914 battery-tray rust every 5.56 years. I thought you'd find this reassuring.
+1 to what 5CHN3LL said in his multiple responses above, except maybe his lunch selection.
We need to have the mods cook up a system whereby anyone who does Not use the Search function to research IMS issues and instead blithely (and yes, innocently in most cases) creates yet another thread asking - again - the same questions, receives 345,876 volts directly into their typing finger.
From what I heard, there are actually three types and since we're talking about std's, condoms, antibiotics...
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We saw Mad Max this weekend - it was very good. I loved the cars. I'd let Charlize Theron doubleclutch me any time she wanted. The chastity belt was indeed scary. That being said, if I had a teenaged daughter, she'd be sporting one.
The whole skull motif thing was way overdone. I am a big fan of skulls, Willie G, Punisher, etc etc etc , but there should be a limit and this movie exceeded it.
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I'm pretty sure you only have to look hot to be a weather girl in the ROW as a prerequisite. On a similiar note, there is a local hottie around here in Chicago that ain't bad either.
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Yeah - pretty dull over in the 997.2 Forum right? Nothin' really going on, maybe a bit of carbon on the intake valves at BEST! Oh wait - "How long will the PDK clutches last"? IMSB issue? NOW WE HAVE SOMETHING TO TALK ABOUT and the long term 996ers want to shut it down?
The first thing you have to do to be properly accepted here is to start yourself a thread about the IMSB (though you need to incorrectly refer to it as just IMS which is a related but different part). Bonus points if you don't search and read first, but go into great detail about your new theory that will once and for all solve the IMSB issue.
If you really want to be part of the in crowd, some pics of the spatulas you installed to clean the air would go a long way.
Ideally, you will buy a 996 and then:
a) a year later, sell it because you're afraid of the exposure, even after maniacally fixing every possible issue, yet continue to hang around RL996 offering ridiculous advice and smooching the a$$ of a prominent Porsche engine builder, even though you no longer own a Porsche of any sort (*cough* KrazyK *cough*)
b) 8 months later, sell it in order to get a wide-body 997 with no IMS bearing, only to realize later that your 997 is a narrow-body with an IMS bearing, but continue to hang around RL996 trying desperately to be relevant & clever because the 997 kids and the 993 guys can't stand you (*cough* JohnnyIrish *cough*)
c) several years later, continue to hang around here offering advice, regardless of whatever goes wrong with your 996 (*cough* Cuda, Ahsai, and everyone else not made of equal parts p***y and b***h *cough*)
Now be fair Schnelly, we know the real reason KK sold his car was because he couldn't find the appropriate color of paint to follow through the the most excellent paint advise he was given
Everyone bitches about new IMSB threads but notice how everyone responds to them? This one is on its fourth page in 2 days. A little over two years ago I purchased my 2002. My feelings on the IMSB issue was failure rate between 3-8% so if you call it 5% that's about 1 in 20. So for every car that had an issue there are 19 that did not. I drive mine daily. I'm hyper vigilant about oil changes and oil level. And examine my filter and magnetic drain plug for any metallic bits.
This quote is a prime example of why IMSB threads are stupid. When you and others make up statistics and masquerade them as fact, you contribute to the IMSB signal to noise ratio, making it that much harder for people who want FACTS to actually find them.
However, congratulations on your feelings.
Maybe you can call Natalie Imbruglia or Lisa Loeb and write a duet about them.
Strange, there is a condom currently on the market called "The Guardian" with no ties to JR ......at least I think so...I believe a patent may have been involved.
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Let's spend the weekend without posting one comment connecting 996 and IMS.
Sigh so tired of IMS.
Can we talk about tacos, hookers, and suspensions and little carbon fiber side wings instead?
What he said. Exactly. I wonder...will people STILL be asking about the IMS 15 years from now?!! Because it has been 15 years since the 996 has been on the road. How much to replace the clutch? $1500? Replace the IMS, $2,000. Porsche it's not for everyone, plenty of Corvettes available.
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By then it will be a non-issue (unless someone finds a bubble car) as all the ones that were going to fail would have or would have been replaced. Yet the hysteria will live on I'm sure because we will still be getting at least one "OMG IMS!!!!111!1!11" thread a week.
Meh, this is a pretty mild thread.
Try the GWITF thread which started it's life as an anti-IMSB thread thread and has truly become epic.
If you want a thread specific to the IMSB try either Johnny's early thread on the subject or dig up the one where mbmotorsport went a few rounds with Jake about roller bearings. Vargas' thread may hold the record for the shortest thread on the subject. Or the one a few months ago with the guy that lost his motor about 3k after replacing the IMSB with LN's and wants to blame the LN bearing even though no real investigation was done before (to make sure other known failure points weren't problems) or after (to trace which part failed first).
The last also happens to have the distinction of being the first IMSB related thread to produce new (to us, Jake apparently knew for a long time) information on the subject in I don't know how long.
After some great comments by the OP and others such as these:
The air-cooled crowd explained it to him quite nicely in this thread. A real informative read for sure.
https://rennlist.com/forums/911-foru...l#post12235314
That's it, we need to submit answers to the devs over at Apple and Amazon so future peeps can just ask Siri or Alexa about it instead of starting a new thread.
I'll let y'all come up with creative questions/answers to it for submission...
