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Potential open/closed loop problems in 996.1? Help me fix my car!

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Check fuses, battery tests good

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(and yes, over last few months I've done a few ongoing repairs - oil change, oil pressure spring/piston, new fuel pump, new fuel pressure regulator, new alternator, new crank position sensor, coil packs/plugs/tubes, cleaned and checked MAF, IACV, throttle body, checked all fuses, battery tests good, checked all grounds)

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(and yes, over last few months I've done a few ongoing repairs - oil change, oil pressure spring/piston, new fuel pump, new fuel pressure regulator, new alternator, new crank position sensor, coil packs/plugs/tubes, cleaned and checked MAF, IACV, throttle body, checked all fuses, battery tests good, checked all grounds)

Potential open/closed loop problems in 996.1? Help me fix my car!

Check maf, iacv, throttle body

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(and yes, over last few months I've done a few ongoing repairs - oil change, oil pressure spring/piston, new fuel pump, new fuel pressure regulator, new alternator, new crank position sensor, coil packs/plugs/tubes, cleaned and checked MAF, IACV, throttle body, checked all fuses, battery tests good, checked all grounds)

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Disconnect battery

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Disconnected the battery from the car - I think there's a short or something strange as I'm getting some continuity from the positive battery terminal to ground!

Potential open/closed loop problems in 996.1? Help me fix my car!

Run normally (higher idle than normal depending

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During the first 3 minutes the cold start enrichment is enough to keep the engine running normally (higher idle than normal depending on amount of unmetered air and whether the idle control valve can compensate) despite the extra air from the intake leak.

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(and yes, over last few months I've done a few ongoing repairs - oil change, oil pressure spring/piston, new fuel pump, new fuel pressure regulator, new alternator, new crank position sensor, coil packs/plugs/tubes, cleaned and checked MAF, IACV, throttle body, checked all fuses, battery tests good, checked all grounds)

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Check grounds)

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(and yes, over last few months I've done a few ongoing repairs - oil change, oil pressure spring/piston, new fuel pump, new fuel pressure regulator, new alternator, new crank position sensor, coil packs/plugs/tubes, cleaned and checked MAF, IACV, throttle body, checked all fuses, battery tests good, checked all grounds)

Potential open/closed loop problems in 996.1? Help me fix my car!

Check maf, iacv, throttle body

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(and yes, over last few months I've done a few ongoing repairs - oil change, oil pressure spring/piston, new fuel pump, new fuel pressure regulator, new alternator, new crank position sensor, coil packs/plugs/tubes, cleaned and checked MAF, IACV, throttle body, checked all fuses, battery tests good, checked all grounds)

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Disconnect battery

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Disconnected the battery from the car - I think there's a short or something strange as I'm getting some continuity from the positive battery terminal to ground!

Potential open/closed loop problems in 996.1? Help me fix my car!

Run normally (higher idle than normal depending

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During the first 3 minutes the cold start enrichment is enough to keep the engine running normally (higher idle than normal depending on amount of unmetered air and whether the idle control valve can compensate) despite the extra air from the intake leak.

Potential open/closed loop problems in 996.1? Help me fix my car!

Run so lean

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Once the cold start enrichment is over then it could run so lean that the lambda control is no longer able to correct for it by injecting more fuel and the engine runs as you describe.

Potential open/closed loop problems in 996.1? Help me fix my car!

Test since i had good access

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Thanks guys - noticed another thing - changed the starter motor today (bought this part ages ago) and did some electrical testing since I had good access to the Y cable etc.

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POST 1 / ORIGINAL POSTEROriginal post

So I'm still working towards fixing issues in my car.... what happens is, from a dead cold start, the car starts perfectly, idles up around 1000rpm. After 3 to 3:30 minutes, it starts stumbling, backfires/pops, idles drop real low and hunts, vibrations and usually stalls around 4-5 minutes after initial start. Little bit of research leads me to think it's related to when the car moves from open loop fuelling to closed loop. Apparently the first 3 minutes is open loop as the O2 sensors haven't warmed up from cold, which makes sense. So I should be looking at oxygen sensors, coolant temp sensors as a start? No codes pulled for either. And which sensors would I change, if no codes are generated - pre cat or post cat? Thinking maybe my AOS has a weird issue too - did find a tiny bit of oil in the plenum. Planning to do a vacuum smoke test in the next day or two. The weird thing is, I was driving home just fine, and while cruising at 60kmh all of a sudden the backfiring/misfiring started - would a bad sensor or AOS cause an issue like this while on the road? Still determined to get this sorted out on my own... calling in a "professional" as last resort (and yes, over last few months I've done a few ongoing repairs - oil change, oil pressure spring/piston, new fuel pump, new fuel pressure regulator, new alternator, new crank position sensor, coil packs/plugs/tubes, cleaned and checked MAF, IACV, throttle body, checked all fuses, battery tests good, checked all grounds)

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At this point u will just be thowing parts at it with out a real good scanner that can log the data from the sensors. My guess is the maf, it causes a lot of funny things when it goes bad.

POST 3Original post

You could unplug the O2 sensors and start it cold to see if any change. You might be able to do the same thing with the MAF unplugged, but to rule out components, just do one change at a time.

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Unplug one pre-cat oxygen sensor at a time. You can leave both post-cat/monitoring oxygen sensors plugged in. You could have an air leak somewhere that lets in unmetered air. During the first 3 minutes the cold start enrichment is enough to keep the engine running normally (higher idle than normal depending on amount of unmetered air and whether the idle control valve can compensate) despite the extra air from the intake leak. Once the cold start enrichment is over then it could run so lean that the lambda control is no longer able to correct for it by injecting more fuel and the engine runs as you describe. (Read in another post of yours that you have a 99 convertible auto and thus cable throttle and icv) The lambda sensors are heated and are working after 30s. It's the cat convertors that require heating up before they start converting. Durametric tool would be of great help here to monitor live sensor values

POST 5 / ORIGINAL POSTEROriginal post

Thanks guys - noticed another thing - changed the starter motor today (bought this part ages ago) and did some electrical testing since I had good access to the Y cable etc. Disconnected the battery from the car - I think there's a short or something strange as I'm getting some continuity from the positive battery terminal to ground! You'd think the positive terminal should be totally isolated from any grounds, right? Might trace back the positive cable from battery to rear battery post and see if there's anything weird going on.

POST 6Original post

Quote: "You'd think the positive terminal should be totally isolated from any grounds, right?" Answer: No, as between these terminals all electrics are connected. You're basically measuring the resistance of all connected electrical parts like ecu's, bulbs, generator and everything else that is connected directly to the positive terminal and ground. What we're you able to resolve thusfar?

POST 7Original post

Scan the DME/ECU for codes. A faulty sensor might perform OK at one temp and then fail at a different temp.

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