"Porsche " envy ?

Did any of you experience Porsche envy when you purchased your car ?? You know I mean, that uncomfortable vibe from friends, relatives, neighbors, or coworkers when they realized you owned a Porsche..... Maybe its just me but I could swear that people sometimes act (ed) different when they found that out. Ever felt embarrassed or intentionally not told somebody you drove this car for fear of how they may view you?? Very weird......

Where I am from they call that "Player Hate'n". I got mixed reviews from friends and family. Some said "its about time you have been dreaming of that damn thing long enough" Some said "why did you sell your nice comfy BMW 530i it was so nice!" All my car friends and family love it and are stoked for me! Strangers, however are the most incredulous and negative "how the hell can YOU afford that?" or "what are you a pro basketball player?" When i was at the dealer trading my bmw in for the pcar an older guy came up to me and said "if you work real hard you can one day stop dreaming about one of these and you too could buy one!" i was like "gee thanks mister!"....***! Just tell your friends " Don't Hate the Player Hate the Game!

I have lots of ENVY when I see someone ordering a TT Cab X50 (whatever), or getting ready to order a 997 when I'm sitting with a NA 996 Cab! (not really)

You are definitely not alone there. My close friends were really psyched for me, they new I wanted that car my whole life. My family on the other hand isn't as successful as I am and there was definitely envy - man I couldn't get over that. People at work - absolutely. Story: I worked in a corporate compound as a consultant a couple of years back. The parking deck was outdoors, no assigned parking just park where you like. There were spots for about 200 cars. I used to come in at 7 and leave around 4 to beat the traffic, so for the longest time no one knew I owned the Porsche. After about 8 months we had Christmas party and someone came up to me and said that my car was causing quite a stir in parking lot. Apparently there was a pool in the office, that I knew nothing about, over who owned the car. I couldn't believe people actually give a **** what kind of car you drive... it was a real eye opener for me. I've learned to deal with owning a p-car for 3+ years now and I used to be sheepish about it. Now I could care less. I'm not a trust fund baby, I worked my *** off for my cars and if that bothers people in some way, well I guess that's life in the big city. First rule of success; be humble about it but never apologize for it. Peace, Rob

Oh yea. Playa hatin' for sure. I can honestly say that my family and car friends are happy as well, its just that some can't fathom that anyone would buy this car for any other reason than to throw it in their face or make them feel inferior for driving a "sensible" American sedan. I, like you ( and many of us, I'm sure), have dreamed about this car since I first saw one as a very young man ( and knew nothing about status or car ego). We all drive what we drive for different reasons. I drive this car for me and the way it makes me feel..... it is not and never was about them (although all those heads snapping around and finger pointing at the bus stop when I drive by is kinda neat !!!!)

Don't hate the playa, hate the game.

First rule of success; be humble about it but never apologize for it. Here, in a town where you could open a used BMW / Lexus / MBZ dealer at any traffic light, my car fortunately gets little attention. Those who need to create a stir have to get a Lambo or Lotus. 911's pass by every 10 mins (3 mins if your counting boxsters). Yawn. When friends or strangers give me the "it must be nice" concert, I usually give them a devilish twinkle and a "yeah, it is alot of fun". Heck, sometimes friends even get a test drive

Ya -- I guess regionalty (??) does matter. Although I'm in Florida, you don't see too many of these cars around my town. In some places, driving a 911 is still special !!!

well put and too true brother I must say that having such a laudable rig kind of screws with my head sometime...it is tempting for me to take it anywhere there will be lots of people around. I am getting less so that way but I didn't care who saw me when i was rockin my phat subaru outback a short 2 years ago! I recently began to think about selling it and buying an older 911sc just for me, raw and unpretentious, few would look twice and I could just "keep it real!" excuse my brain fart

yo' peeps prob-lee jus had too much hater-aid! you can take the kid out of west philly....yadayadayada

Yeah, I rarely drive my turbo to work and always park in the back row. I am also vague as to how many cars I have. My issue is I don't want the partners to think they are paying us too much money. We are ICs and paid on a eat what you kill type of arrangement. They are always looking to reduce our percentage or keep numbers though.

I lived in one of the most exclusive areas in NY, Scarsdale in Westchester, and people still noticed it. Now I live in a more blue collar area and I stick out like a sore thumb... but yeah I would say if you're driving in South Beach with a Turbo Cab, it wouldn't be as big of a deal.

I know --- I am in sales try to keep the company in the dark about my car. You would think that they would approve and perceive my taste in vehicles as a great "motivator" to sell more stuff. I think it would probably just justify their false assumption that they are already paying me too much dinero, and fing a way to cut my already dwindling commissions !! You gotta love Corporate America !!

When I got my first 911, a 993 C2 Cab, I had a smile from ear to ear. That smile was wiped off my face pretty quickly once I went to a client site. The first comment I received was "....we are paying you too much". With this particular client we run their IT department so I am there quite regularly and know a lot of the 400 odd staff that work on site. Most would say "... great car!". But most of them put out a negative vibe. This was meant to be the best time of my life. Buying my dream car before turning 30 and life looking good. It wasn't the case though, I felt so guilty and sick from the reaction that I was throwing up on site and eventually bought a $hit bomb Ford to drive around - (even the $hit bomb cost me US$15,000). Unlike the US, a Porsche in Oz is even more exclusive unfortunately. The price of a C2 is about $160,000 US. It takes a while to save up that kind of money around here - especially with our tax rates. So when you see a kid from a blue collar working family driving a 911 there is a bit of "porsche envy" It is now 5 years later and have come to believe I will never change their mind or opinion and dont worry about it any more. But it still sux.

After the company summer outing this year, I heard some people in the office talking about how this former employee of ours, now an attorney, showed up to the party with a red Porsche. I was like..."um, I think you are talking about my car." I work in the city and walk to work, so co-workers never see it. The "car" folks think it's cool, but I feel that others expect me to justify having such a nice car at age 26. Same with some family members. I say to heck with all of them My wife and I own a house and have multiple investments that generate income...why not drive what we want

"but yeah I would say if you're driving in South Beach with a Turbo Cab, it wouldn't be as big of a deal." no....TURBO cabs we still notice, heh heh.... seriously, tho - since moving here this past october, we have now instituted a $125,000 rule - anything with a retail cost below that amount doesn't 'merit' being pointed out. its crazy. our dinner-table conversation often start out with: 'well, it was another 3-bentley day' and she drives only 8 miles to work - i work out of the house and run around on a 50cc scooter to do errands, so its not like we spend a LOT of time on the road in a normal day. you want an inferiority complex - drive a 951 with some decent mods down here. great car, but doesn't even approach being on the automotive radar... me - i'm a big 996 fan and we'll have one someday. soon. i'll be happy to slum around, un-noticed in that lowly ride! ;-)

In a consumer society there are inevitably two kinds of slaves: the prisoners of addiction and the prisoners of envy.

What happened to "hundred thousand dollar cars, everybody got 'em" I guess that was the 90s...

I like the people at work who, as *soon* as they find out what you drive, start griping about how much work you don't do since you drive a Porsche. "If he drives a car like that, why isn't he working 24x7??" Yeah, I gave away part of my life working 24x7 and made my money before the bubble blew. Now I'm putting in what I'm getting out because retiring at 30 was not what I wanted to do. So what? Mama didn't raise a fool, fool! Usually, when someone makes some kind of (snide?) remark about my car that is obviously a bad vibe, I answer with "You should see the Lambo Diablo, Gullwing 300SL and Jag E Type I have in storage!" Keeps them guessing. :-) If they know what I'm talking about... ;-b

When people comment about me making a lot of money, or paying me too much , I just say I'm from a rich family and my dad bought me the car.

That's why I will never own a Ferrari (maybe not the only reason ) I really hate that. I am thinking of tinting the wondows on my C4S because of that reason. It really is a driver's car that seems to satisfy only the driver.. SAD

It is so true, i thought i was being paro.Whats up with that, I am sooo happy when i see people do well for them selfs.I guess in this world We as humans always want what someone has.I sometimes feel like an ***,because I do well,and some ppl are working 2 jobs to put food on the table.......Now ask me this Would i give it up?...................................................................NE VER

Too bad about people not liking you for the car you own. I just call that being Jealious. Glad that hasn't happened to me.

There are two different types of Porsche Envy. Type 1 - The common one, everybody saying..."wow you must be rich", "we pay you too much", etc... You hangout with your friends and you just happen to have one of the better cars. Type 2 - You go to a big porsche gathering and your car gets lost in the crowd. Your car doesn't even get noticed, it's no longer one of the better ones...Now I have Porsche Envy of other Porsche's. Weird, is it like this with other cars? I guess it just depends who you hang with.

I stored my Porsche for a year inside my business warehouse. Customer's would always say "business must be good" or "I think I'm paying you too much" or "isn't that a little selfish?". On the other hand, I think it lends credibility to me and what I do, compare it to the real estate agent that drives a Camry or the one that drives a Benz...who would you rather reperesent you? Thank God I have a garage now and can keep it under wraps...

Type 2 is horrible. I went from ecstatic buying my first Porsche, my dream car and the envy of all around me, to shopping it around within two years in search of a GT3 ( see my other threads). Talk about " Type 2 " envy !!!

"What happened to "hundred thousand dollar cars, everybody got 'em"" yeah...we have adjusted for inflation. i just read this thread to my girlfriend and she said that the rule actually could be increased to 200k. Ferraris, Lambos, Astons, Bentleys, GT2/3's (sympathy vote!).....

Boy this is a good thread I live in a city of 22000 and my car really sticks out.Im in retail sales and my customers say the same thing we must be paying you to much for your products if you can afford that kind of car.I used to paint houses in the late 80s and would see very wealthy people come home driving porsches and I would say man one day I'm going to be doing that and sure enough after much hard work I'm on my 5th one now these cars are the greatest. 2003 911 c4 meridian metallic

My family hates it that I buy expensive cars rather than investing in more real estate. My dad is old school and believes that a car should only be a transporation from point A to point B. Like most, my "real" friends are cool with it and the others are just plain "Hatin". I don't really care much of what people say, however, its tough when you're doing well and you feel ****ty because of it. For example, I park my 03' C2 that I bought new 2 blocks away from my office so that my clients won't see it. As well as my employees. I work as a Service advisor and it sucks when someone ask "what do you drive?" I often say " my 87 Nissan Sentra, (which I end up driving because of the fact that I feel "****ty" with my Porsche) I feel so bad that when they pick up their cars with a huge repair bill, and when they walk out of the parking lot, they see my brand spankin new Porsche. Hence, I park 2 blocks. With my Nissan Sentra I park right in front of my window. THAT SUCKS!

Reminds me of a recent story. We are adding on to our offices and one of the contractors said something about security. One of the partners told him to go look behind the back door and that is all the security he needs. Behind our back door are (mind you all new this year) 2 AMG S 500s, E 430, The big new Lexus, the Lexus Coupe, 2 Lexus 470 SUVs, Porsche 996, Landcruisers, Infinity coupes, Landcruisers, new T-Bird, my Porsches, and even the secretaries and runners all have Tahoes, the runners dribe 5 series Bimmers, there is a BMW 745, a large crew Cab deisel with the baseball glove type of interior (King Ranch) and etc. It looks like a high end car lot behind our building. That was one of the things that attracted me to this firm was the cars. I did not want to be in a possesion of being uncomfortable rolling up in my 911s. Dude looked at the cars and did not ask any more questions about security deposite.

Yes, it's all about perception. When I was a strategy consultant, someone (old-school attorney) gave me a pep talk about "appearances." His point, it's hard to have credibility as a top-tier professional when you drive a 15-year old beater. But it's a fine line -- it doesn't look great when you drive an expensive car on a cost-cutting project where your client might be downsizing a bunch of people. Likewise, in some places it's viewed as foolish or wasteful if you spend more than you can afford on a fancy car. There's a lot of that here in the Bay Area -- tons of folks bought fancy cars in the boom and then couldn't afford them when everything went bust. So, your credibility can take a hit if people think you drive a car that's "too fancy." Me, I bought my car just for myself. I've wanted it all my life, and I love driving it. I don't need people to admire me for my car. However, credibility is an important part of my effectiveness in my job, so I don't "advertise" what I drive because some people will jump to the wrong conclusion. My boss knows -- he drives a C4 Cab so we compare notes. Other than that, I really don't want the attention. I avoid telling everyone else because it gets in the way of the real work. I'd rather people know me for what I accomplish, than what I drive. And then I can go away and have fun driving my car.

I am in my early 50's and have done well in life since back in the 70's. I spend to much time in my earlier yrs being humble and unassuming by driving fast sedan's and being conservative. But, no matter what I did, somebody was always there to label my lifestyle or person whether I behaved poorly or not. Finally, I said to H*** with those folks that envy or are jealous of others success. When I was in my late teens to 20's, I always wanted to know what the successful people did that got them their fantastic lifestyles and all the toys they wanted. Not once did I ever envy or knock someone because of their success or possessions. I always wanted to be similar to them at some point in my life. Now, I am there, live in a pvt golf community on a Par 5 green overlooking a valley with a pretty impressive view, drive the car of my choice, have the toys of choice and more importantly...have a great wife and son... I must envy myself...to the point of pinching myself checking to see if I am going to wake up from a dream.

all good anecdotes. i live and work in a region where high-end cars are the byword (so. orange county). where i park during the day, it resembles a used exotic car lot with all manner of p-cars, f-cars, and mbz/bimmers galore... in fact, where i park i think driving a 4-yr old 996 is less cool than driving a 993 or 964 (as some attourneys here do). i happen to be in sales and i know when i pull up to a clients office, the p-car helps more often than not. re friends and family, i don't think any of them cared! they probably wondered why not sooner.

Great thread. Some of your posts got me thinking about another Porsche perception that's out there..... How many of you more " life experienced" gentlemen have been accused of suffering your mid-life crisis by your possession of a P-car ?? If I'm not mistaken, the movie "Lost in translation " actually makes reference to this... Exchange went something like this--Young girl (20ish) in bar talking with older guy (50ish)-- He: " I think I'm having my mid life crisis .." She: " Bought a Porsche yet ?? " I recall when I purchased my car ( at age 32), having somebody tell me that "at least nobody will accuse you of having your mid life crisis.." I remember actually thinking " what the F*** is that supposed to mean ??" I think I finally know now. Most people just don't get it. Probably never will....

Hey Meridian when i lived in philly i climbed, rafted, camped, mountain biked in and around the new river gorge....not to mentioned the occasional shopping spree to leggits!!! go class 6!!!

three words: 1)Blig-i-dy 2)Bling 3)Bling!

My take on perception 2/3 of the people you know forget all about you 2 minutes after you walk away 1/2 of the other 1/3 tend to think you walk on water the other 1/2 of the 1/3 tend to think you are the devil incarnate who's is correct? Generally Irrelevant Above all else, whether you are michael Jackson or Mother Theresa you are the only one who HAS to sleep with you at night so LOVE AND EXCEPT YOURSELF!

Porsche is viewed as an exlusive and expensive car and many people just don't understand or agree with your values. While I see and admire the engineering excellence, others see overpriced transportation. Everyone is entitled to the pursuit of happiness, and driving a car like this makes me happy. I thought I was the rare one who does not take my car to job sites for fear of being labeled overpaid or extravagent. For me it was one wife, few major financial mistakes, and 25 years working as an Engineer. It's not a great investment, but life is short, and this is one thing I don't regret. Shuttle astronaut Michael Anderson died with a Porsche tatto, but he knew the feeling of driving such a fine machine. Having traveled to poor countries, it would be impractical to own a Porsche in such a neighborhood. You'd need armed guards 24-7. We are very fortunate to live this way.

I happen to agree with the "accept and love yourself "comment. The purpose of the thread was purely for pleasure and some light hearted discussion about our experiences owning these cars, not whether or not I should be paranoid about who I am in life... One can't live on " What wheels look the best on my 911 ? " threads forever, can they ??

I wish I wasn't so late to this thread, but my story in brief: I got a hard time from friends and family when I bought my Ocean Blue '00 C2, but they thought it was cool. Then I bought a Seal Gray '02 C2 and really got a hard time! "Wow, that other one was so old and beat up..." "Must be tough getting a new Porsche every 2 years." blah blah blah So when I bought my Turbo this past November, I got the same color as my previous 996; seal gray again. This way, my non-car friends didn't even notice (or at least most didn't), and my car friends noticed and were pumped for me.

Scott 996, Hit that one right on the nose. I am approaching 50. Had my 996 almost 4 yrs but still everyone I know refers to it is my mid life crisis. I think the fact is that by the time your 50, your mortgage shuld be approaching closure and if you invested well you should be at a position where you can afford your dream car. As a result you will see many middle aged folk buying them. Cheers, Berny

I was 32 when I bought my new 2001 C4, and yes people asked if I was going through a mid-life crissis... I would reply, "I'm going to die at 64? Do you know something I don't"

To summarize this thread, lots of people who don't understand the driving pleasure achieved from these cars follow the old addage... P-O-R-S-C-H-E = proof only rich suckers can have everything

That's exactly my point. The comment makes no sense rationally. Its just that many normal working folks aren't in the financial position {mortgage, kids, etc..) to afford a car like this for themselves until they reach middle age. Just another form of P-Car envy I think........

Yea, that's what a friend of mine said too, "you must be having a mid life crisis", he also said "I know you bought that car because you knew that's what I wanted" -- ***. I guess some people just can't stand it when you're succesful...too bad for him, I think he's a jerk now because of that stuff. Real friends get stoked for you...

I can't comment much on the midlife crisis front. I'll be 25 in a couple months. But I must say that while most people are positive about "me" having this/these cars, there are a lot of people out there who are hostile about it. In my town of 5k people, driving downtown usually gets other young people yelling and talking ****. Of course, I'm in a very poor area, but there's a certain sector who would rather vandalize than ignore the situation altogether. I have to hide my cars on Halloween... As for the Porsche envy situation...my parents kinda shake their head in disbelief at my automotove exploits. My siblings are secretly and disdainfully jealous. Some of my "friends" are too...

Other than my bro-in-law, nobody knows/gets the 911 in my friends/family circle. The epitome of luxury and having "made it" is a big Jag or a big Benz to these folks, I'm sorry to say. Some remarks that have stuck in my mind: 1. A girlfriend of my wife visiting us and saw the Carrera in the driveway in our old house. Comment "I love your Camaro!" 2. My father-in-law after I gave him a ride. Comment "Something's not right. You could feel all the bumps on the road!" 3. A couple of friend of ours who found out thru a mutual friend about the p-car. Comment: none. That was weird. If I suddenly found out that someone I have been hanging out with drives a p, f, or l car, you bet your a** I would wanna know all about about it. 4. A co-worker who had just hired on with the company went out to lunch with me. His comment: Oh, wow a porch-kee (pronounced just like the way I spelled it)...LOL 5. Most heard comments: Is it a turbo? "This" drives fast. Isn't "that" very expensive? You drive a bimmer/benz/jag, everyone gets Bimmer/benz/jag envy in my circles. You drive a Porsche and you get the above C'est la vie!

My favorite... "Carrera 4 - does the 4 mean it has 4 seats?" ugh. A bell hop who tried to put my luggage in the engine.. that was pretty funny for all the hotel guest waiting outside.

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Ok OK........ i have a good one! I am 32 , and i am Italian,so everyone who knows NOTHING about me , assumes I am in the MOB, but the ppl whom I am close to, know how hard I have worked to get here..Funny I still feel like an *** for living out my dream.

Being a Computer Consultant, I also get the look, Once I rolled up to a meeting and the first thing out of the client's mouth was "Oh your too expensive" HELLO - you get what you paid for slick. I never apologies for owning a Porsche, Why, How does that impact someone else's life ? It's my monthly nut I have to deal with not there's, if they like it so much, go get one, there's many out there. Enjoy the toy you worked so hard for my friends. I drive my Targa with Pride and a Smile to last the experience. Can I Get A AMEN !

Chicago996 - Hilarious. #1 and 2 in particular. Riad - I thought "Carrera 4" meant it has 4 wheels?

Chicago996, I agree, hilarious. Especially the one about the father-in-law. After I took my dad for a ride (local streets) he said "Don't you ever get it out of 2nd gear? Then I showed him my ticket for 120mph. "Oh, I guess you have...". :-) Okay, we've mentioned envy, jealousy, "mid-life crisis", hasn't anyone ever gotten "trophy car"? I really wanted to curse fluently in reply to that one but since it was from a friend of my wife's I replied "No, I got a trophy WIFE instead."

lol My mom called my car a 'camaro' too. RJMDAD, I'm a consultant too, and I drive my Explorer to clients for that very reason. It's weird, people want 'successful' brokers, agents, lawyers, and other fields so they don't mind the nice cars, but in our field, it's a negative perception for having things like this. I once had to drive my Turbo to a lunch meeting. After lunch we were all walking out to our cars, and I had forgotten that I wasn't in the Explorer. One of the clients as a joke pointed to my car and said, "I bet that's your car with what we're paying. haha" I was stunned when I remembered it was here. I said, "I wish!" Then told them I had to go back inside and use the restroom before hitting the road. I went inside and waited for them all to leave before going back out to my car! haha It's just not worth the discussion to let them see my car. It really can affect business.

You guys are killing me with this stuff. I s*** you not, I just got the "Camaro" comment yesterday from a colleague--walked up on my car, saw the "Carrera" script, must have read "Camaro"... Have you ever had the negative vibe from someone that you know well enough to know that they could have bought a P- Car or two as well if they hadn't pissed their money away on their own " frivilous" luxuries ???? It's all about priorities brother !!!

HAHAHAHA! I like that! This also applies when I go to Church. I had my car blessed when it was new (commom Filipino tradition) and ever since then, the Priest always gives me a longer handshake and gives me that look that says "I know you put a big donation on that envelope, right??...I'm sure you did". Now I drive my Nissan Sentra to Church and stay waaaaay at the back, usually away from the isles.

hahaha. Yeah. My mom can't see very well and mis read the Carrera script. She noticed the Turbo b/c after I told her what she did, she always looks there at the car and noticed the "Turbo". I'm surprised she didn't say, "You got a Tiburon?" hehe As for friends w/ other stuff. I'm not kidding. My boss thinks I'm nuts and wasting money. He has FOUR.... that's FOUR f$#%ing boats! 2 sit in a marina. LOL I called him on it and he got it after that. Another friend is a member of 3 expensive, nice country clubs! haha He gives me crap all the time and I give it right back with "At least I have a car worthy of one of your clubs" hahaha (He's got a Chrysler 300 M) lol

Yep... that's one of the first "a**umptions" made by those that haven't watched my "whole" life uncover. If you ask those that have known me for 30+yrs, they'd say doesn't surprise them. That remark is also generally made by a woman that hasn't stepped out of her worker drone box of expectations, and if by a man it's likely he's to concerned about his proper mature image or fears stepping outside the box and having fun. Funny thing, that 20ish girl will likely latch on to him and enjoy life like never before and he'll probably have fun too. Look at the younger babes Michael Douglas and Sylvester Stalone have (if I recall, they both have Porsches). If we're all working hard doing the right things and can't have some fun along the way, life will become a vanilla folder.

I got a great laugh at your statement "mortgage should be approaching closure"...LOL. I live in So CA... If you live anywhere at all upscale, you've got almost a mil or more into your home and the paying it off LOL, means you "really" have "large" dollars and don't need the tax benefits. Here in So CA very few stay in their home long enough to pay it off. If I recall in So CA, average ownership is 3-5yrs. Good part is when we sell this home (in 5-7yrs) the appreciation will be really nice thanks to CA's RE mkt.

Brian, you said a mouth full there. Who needs jealous people at their side. All they do is think negative "a**umptions" and seek folks to commiserate with Haven't you found it difficult to socialize with folks that are not on a similar success path or better? We surely have. Not because we're snobs either. I got married when I was 48.. to a woman with a 5 yr old boy...greatest move of my life. (even though sometimes I fight it)... When we attempt to socialize with the parents of our now mid-school son's friends, we run into social stature issues. Their all just starting out or reached their peak for one reason or another. Either way, petty differences surface fast when they're invited to our home. They spend so much time in awe and envy of our home, toys and lifestyle, they loose site that we're just folks too... and that pi**** me off all to often.

That is all too true. My wife and I have the same problem, we've lost touch with people we would have considered very good friends at one point because they had issues with our success. I had a good friend who just bought a house. I said to him I can't wait to come over when they get settled. His comment was that his house wasn't as nice as mine so I shouldn't worry about it. WTF?? I've known this guy 15 years - he remembers me when I was renting a one bedroom basement apartment and didn't have a car to get around in... I was really hurt by that, like I give a crap what kind of house he has I was just really happy for them. Man I don't even have to pay someone $175/hour to vent now if you excuse me I have a Vicodin calling....

Raid... I never cared what someone does for a living or how successful they are. I put more value in family, friends and people then money materials and whatever. I lost one 20yr friend some years back because he was down on his luck for an extended period, and I wasn't. His family was falling apart and his career was tanking. His wife told me he couldn't stand to face me. That hurt me a lot...because I believe good friends are there to help each other. The reason I am successful is I simply believe putting in 150% at what ever I attempt is the way it is!!! As a result, I excel at most activities and if their work related money follows. Money is to buy toys with, have fun with your friends and live. I've even had this problem with some of our family members thinking I am to different, so they don't visit. I guess that could be a good thingy... but it still makes me

Hey people. P-car is just a car not a badge or indicator of success. Envy starts and extends to anything anyone achieve from family, money to cars. I do have a P-car and not a bit ashamed by it. My clients told me that I was costing them too much before I could afford P-car, at least now I can tell them that they are right. :-)

I think you hit the nail on the head Gery - it's not just because it's a 'Porsche'. It's because it's perceived as an semi-useless extravagance. I work on contract in a variety of offices and am careful not to mention my cars because I do not want to apear like I am bragging in any way - I'm sure all of you have witnessed that before from someone who is so proud of his car (and himself) that he makes everyone else nausous. Once I get to know everyone and they realize that I'm into high performance cars in general, I don't get much attitude. Even when I do get the occasional comment, I think it's less due to 'jealousy' then it is to some people having an overly well developed sense of responsibility and simply not understanding the whole car thing. Jim

This has happend to me ... I must admit after reading everyone's posts. And it realy hurts and does bother me deep inside. I have always been into cars, and got my first sports car at 21, and have had one ever since. Well I am into cars and no one I know is at all on the level I am. My high schools friends left me after I got into higher end sports cars. Now I don't even talk to people I have know for over 30 years. That is stupid. I never mention the cars becuase I don't want to make people jealious. But deep inside I want to talk about cars, not becuase I want to say what I own, but becuause I want to talk about cars. Heck I will even talk about anything with wheels. I'm pretty bummed, that I don't have anyone around me into cars, I would realy like to meet local people with a passion for the same things. I have been into high end things ever since I was a kid. Building robots in high school and having a home PC when no one knew what they where in 1979. So when friends started to talk about about there Big Screen TV and home theater, I tend to just listen. I do not want to seem like I am bragging. same with cars. and same when it comes to houses. Just bothers me that people I have known since I was 5 years old now act as though I am not around. The circle of friend I did have all seem to stay in touch with each other but I am like an outcast. They call me about twice a year to tell me about the guitar stuff they have purchased. I just end up listening, I am also in to guitar and keyboards. Kinda sucks knowing this all happened becuase I have a decent job and pay.

This has happened to me ... I must admit after reading everyone's posts. And it really hurts and does bother me deep inside. I have always been into cars, and got my first sports car at 21, and have had one ever since. Well I am into cars and no one I know is at all on the level I am. My high schools friends left me after I got into higher end sports cars. Now I don't even talk to people I have know for over 30 years. That is stupid. I never mention the cars because I don't want to make people jealous. But deep inside I want to talk about cars, not because I want to say what I own, but because I want to talk about cars. Heck I will even talk about anything with wheels. I'm pretty bummed, that I don't have anyone around me into cars, I would really like to meet local people with a passion for the same things. I have been into high end things ever since I was a kid. Building robots in high school and having a home PC when no one knew what they where in 1979. So when friends started to talk about about there Big Screen TV and home theater, I tend to just listen. I do not want to seem like I am bragging. same with cars. and same when it comes to houses. Just bothers me that people I have known since I was 5 years old now act as though I am not around. The circle of friend I did have all seem to stay in touch with each other but I am like an outcast. They call me about twice a year to tell me about the guitar stuff they have purchased. I just end up listening, I am also in to guitar and keyboards. Kinda sucks knowing this all happened because I have a decent job and pay.

I hope you all don't mind a front engine owner posting. I was 17 when I bought the 944S. My family thought nothing of it. My father always had a sports car, mostly Vette's up till now. Relatives had the "kid that age doesn't deserve...." attitude even after my mom would tell them they had nothing to do with my purchase. Friends were excited since now they got to ride in it all the time. Friends of friends and their girlfriends usually gave me the snob attitude. After I bought my 2nd Porsche, the 928 a few years ago, it started all over again. It was real uncomfortable when people at work found out about one of them, only got worse after the 2nd one. When people ask me what I drive, I tell them an Audi. Unless its a car function (show, race etc..) Non-car people don't understand.

Life is too short to have to worry about what others think or their envy of what your lifestyle is. These people are not your friends anyway so why worry about it? If having a P-car gives you joy, go for it. It's not like it is illegal or something. I wouldn't go aorund bragging about it either but I have been through this kind of envy from those around me. They are just jealous and its too bad they do not put their energy towards doing something to change their situation. Your real friends will be happy for you.

I live in Newport Beach, CA and one of the neighbors kids told me that he over heard my neighbors say that they were upset that a "punk kid with a Porsche" bought a house here. A lot of people are "haters"...I just enjoy life; I smile and give thumbs up when I see nicer rides.

I drove a Yugo for six years ('88-'94) so I've really gotten over what people think of me. At least that is what I thought, except I start a new job in a couple of weeks, and I'm going to show up for it in my Ford Ranger for a while. It said to say, but I think people will judge me by what I pull up in, not what I contribute.

I have clients that actually make an effort to see what type of auto candidates their potential execs drive, and how they care for it. Believe it or not, there are many company leaders that feel if someone drives an expensive auto, their not managing their finances very well and won't hire them.

absolutely titanL9! i'd feel a lot better if a potential business partner was driving a porsche than if they were driving a hyundai!!! yes, you could make the argument that the hyundai owner could be a better businessman who is thrifty and you'd rather do business with him. but realistically? you want the guy who can afford the expensive car!

teflon, are you assuming that all folks driving Pcars, MBZ's & BMW's can afford them. LOL... I'd say that was streach that I can't get my arms around.

What am I giong to do when my car arrives in June... It didnt' previously occur to me that I'm going to have to develop a complex strategy for when to drive and when not to drive the Porsche Do I need three cars now? One total beater (got that one covered already) one nice moderate car, and one exotic porsche? Maybe I need 4 even, total beater, mid priced sedan, semi-pricey sedan, and exotic sports car to make sure I suit the car properly to the outting?

This thread reminds me of Atlas Shrugged.

What a great book. I have yet to run into a liberal that has read it, it's usually on the "to do list"....

I live in downtown Philly so I have put off buying a p-car until we have a garage (getting close to pulling the trigger though). The funny thing is, I drive a 98 chevy truck (mtn bikes, skiing etc.) so I get the reverse reaction, funny looks like I'm a redneck etc, like something is wrong with me. My wife has a newer 3 series bmw so she gets the "must be nice" attitude. She told me that once I get my car I can't drive it to work 'cause once everyone finds out, the redneck comments will change... My point is, damned of you do...damned if you don't, so f-them all. Life is way to short so as long as you do things for yourself, that's all that should matter... PK

yep, as soon as the word got around at work people had the audacity to say within ear shot... like i weren't there.."yeah, we must be paying him too much." so i tell them with a big grin..."you don't say that to the young guys with 2 kids and one on the way, now do ya?" No a single person has had a reply. They just look dumb!

I may as well post since I am on the outside looking in. Don't have a p-car...yet. Keyword is yet. Drive an audi S4, and when I got that most folks didn't know what it was or just thought it was some type of A4. A few people in my department gave me the rich kid look till they realized I was a real car addict, then they were okay with everything. They also realized I am just out of college and have no kids etc, though everyone makes more then I do in my dept (bottom of totem pole) I still probably come out ahead by not having a family yet. I have total respect for p-cars and p-cars owners. I am a hater of the type of think their car is so special and their s*it don't stink. But that doesn't include the p-car brand that goes around to all brands really. Personally I appreciate the owner who buys the car to enjoy it not to have a little badge acting as an extension of their manhood. A friend or two have p-cars that I have gotten the chance to drive on a few occasions and I have enjoyed them emensly. Its a true driving experience and I look forward to getting one. Infact I almost pulled the trigger on a 996 C4, to be a stable mate to my S4, but got a condo instead. The p-car can wait my insurance can only drop more, and the S4 is no slouch either. I personally care little about the way people look at me based on the car that I drive. I own a car to enjoy and to drive. To me its a form of relaxation and thrill of just driving down the road knowing that few other cars in the world exist like it and can match what it can do when pushed. It has nothing to do with ego but everything to with enjoying it while you can. You only live once, and you cant take it with you when you go so live it up now. One day when your too old to drive you can remember the days when you blasted down country roads at illegal speeds in car that was meant to soak up turns and tarmac reminding you that those speed limits were put in place for the safety of people with cars that cant handle turns like a good german car can. That is all. Enjoy what ya got, share your enjoyment with people who appreciate and lock out those that don't.

Just drive and enjoy! One bright side to P-Car envy; your car is always left up front at valet parking! Enjoy your cars. Bruce

ok so i say if: you drive a p-car b/c you want people to think your S don't stink...Good On Yah! you drive a p-car b/c it is the most amazing road car ever...Good On yah you drive a p-car b/c you want to clock mad women....Good on Yah At any moment I am, will be or have been one or all of the above and to be honest....I could Shive a Git what most people think of my motivations! Oh and to the bosses who think "I'm paid too much..." Just keep writting the checks son!

This is an amazingly durable thread! My $0.019: I was laying the "what about world hunger?" "man, how is it that I'll be driving this dream-car and some of my friends aren't in nearly as good a financial shape as we're in?" vibe on myself even before I got my first P-car. At the end of the day none of us can really do much about the situation or perceptions of others ("give a man a fish", etc.) beyond supporting them in their endeavours. Think globally, act locally, have fun. Now that I have the car, I still occasionally cycle through many of the same emotions as have been shared previously in this thread, but never when I'm driving! I do only drive the car to clients that know me well already (good or bad, that die is cast), particularly those that are car crazy as well. As a general philosophy in reference to my consultancy, I'd rather the first thought that pops into a client's head to be how much they value my expertise and assistance to their brand, instead of anything to do with my ride. Of course, I have somewhat wussed out of having to deal with taking any (much) crap from friends or sundry knuckleheads by always responding to the usual comments about my P-car with "yep, it's a fantastic gift from my wife. She is just so thougthful.". There's no chance that anybody is going to dump on my wife, and people are stopped in their mental tracks every time, thinking about lottery winnings, inheritance, or whatever, but they absolutely don't know what to make of my statement. I've only ever gotten one person that came back with "well, your wife sure must be rich.", to which I retorted "well I don't know about that, but she sure is benevolent!". It's all true anyway, because without this great woman by my side, I would not have this car. Gotta love it (I mean HER!) fwiw..... Jeff

My first p-car is an 18 year old 951 destined for autocross/track and I get a little of that vibe from family & coworkers.

it's interesting to note how many posts here, express fear that bosses/co-working will think they're over-paid. in my business, 'phat' cars, zegna suites, a. lang & sohne wristwatches, yada, yada, yada, are considered de rigueur . mangers like to see their guy's live high and take on big car payments/mortgages 'cause they believe it's the best motivator (sales).

Yes, you're right. But, there's a bigger picture over shadowing those employees and it's based on corporate cultural theories, X, Y and Z. The mentality you speak of is X culture, (negative motivation). Meaning they assume they won't get your best without pushing you, keeping pressure on you, and hoping you get almost over extended financially, so you almost become captured labor. It's often found in very specific employment mkt's, i.e.: highly leveraged commissioned based jobs where job content and future has limits... The vast majority of employment markets don't have highly leveraged jobs, yet possesses X based cultures (95%). "Y" culture assumes you will perform at your best, whether your paid a premium or not, just because that's who you are. "Z" is commonly associated with the Japanese labor mkt's and to my knowledge hasn't been clearly defined yet. Although, various research teams have been attempting analysis since I started working. I studied and wrote a book on this very topic many years ago. Negative motivation only works with certain personalities, it falls flat on others.

agreed. my motivation is a new gt3

Great thread. I've owned several "911s" and have seen and heard my share as well. Everything from "Oh, couldn't you afford a Boxster?" to "Is that your Dad's?" (I'm 43 and gray-haired). Funny thing is, I expected more negativity from others than I've actually experienced. Sure, I've had to put up with my fair share of being tail-gated and what have you from various road-idiots over the years, but most people seem pretty pumped to see and/or talk about my P-car. The fact that I own such cars may have initally surprised some of my family and friends, but they seem to get into it pretty quick...particularly once they've gone for a ride.

Chris, your right. Once we can get apprehensive people to take a ride or talk freely about the car, not what it might represent, and let them know we put our pants on the same as they do, attitudes dissipate. However, it does take acknowledging and concern for the problem and persistence on our part to overcome the "pre-conceptions". Last night I drove my son to soccer practice in the PCar. The kids really thought it was cool... gives me a buzz and my son. But, I wish you could have seen the looks on the faces of some parents.

Hey, it could be worse. You could have people call your car a Miata -Ron 2000 Boxster

The thread that wouldn't die

Things that tick me off: "How much did it cost?" "(see sig.) For a car that's so old?" "Think it'll beat a Vette?" "How old are you?" "How do you get in and out of those seats?" "Wouldn't you rather have a SUV?" "You're washing it again?" "Why can't I sit on it?" "Will it fit a couple sets of clubs?" and the most irritating of all -- "I didn't know you made so much?" J

I haven't owned a Porsche long enough to have a list like you guys, so I only have one item right now: 1. people who pull up next to you at a light and for no reason choose to spit on your car. I drove to a wand spray wash right after, but it really sucked.

Titan: You're right too...us single P-car owners should start doing our best to educate the unmarried soccer moms out there. Mo: Man, that sucks; sorry to hear it.

Chris... Where I live, the soccer moms are predominately married and nothing to fantasize about. However, there was this one I recall....hummm.

Whoa! I've never had anything close to that. The annoying questions list above is what I get the most. Escpecially, "What do you do for a living again?" In an obvious attempt to figure out how I have one. The "how much does it cost" question REALLY REALLY REALLY annoys me. It's a lose-lose answer for us. I've started saying, "I am not sure. It's my grandmother's." (only when it's totaly strangers I'll never see again) When friends of friends or even your own friends ask, I just say, "Too much." Where was the spitting incident? Did you say anything?

1. Every time a girls gets into my car they always have to say 'I've been in a Ferrari you know'???!!!! I usually mutter to myself 'I've had prettier girls in my car you know.' 2. When I first got my car I got the middle finger on two separate occasions. 3. As I was driving somebody threw a glass bottle at me, luckily it it my rear screen and bounced off...no damage. 4. Somebody thew hard candy at my car and now there is a little dent on the roof.

Titan: LOL as they say. Well, come to think of it, my GF is a soccer Mom...

Wow, I can't believe the abuse some of you have taken (spitting, bottles, candy). I usually get "props" from people on the roads.

when strangers ask what i do for a living i either tell them i'm a pimp or a drug dealer. it shuts them right up! i'm only 26 now, and was 23 when i bought the car, so people tend to believe it. i've also been asked if i'm a professional athlete on several occassions (i'm 6'4 270, built like a big linebacker, also can pass for a hockey player, and i used to play both sports). i could tell that the last place that asked me didn't believe it when i said no. they kept asking me about sports stuff... i was tempted to say "ok, you got me, my name is xxxx xxxxxxxx, want an autograph?"

I've once been told by a "tree-huggin" hippie earth biscuit before during at a stop light confontaion. (minding my own business of course) "It's people like you who run corporations that destroy the earth and make all the poor people suffer". They he cuts me off in his old Subaru wagon and gives me that finger. Hummmm, I'm a car mechanic at a greasy garage....it was the day I was signing papers for my new home that I was dressed in a white shirt and tie. I wonder where that came from?????

Keyvan, It seems the UK is much more prone to the negative stuff than in the U.S. It happens in both places of course, but it seems the attitude of entitlement and generally more socialist in the UK prompts much stronger responses from folks. Would you agree?

Location: Manhattan Beach/El Segundo border area, red light at corner of Rosecrans Ave. and Aviation. I was in middle lane, two guys in one of those monster SUVs - Yukon, Tahoe, something like that pulls up to stop on my right. Driver leans out, makes some weird face and spits on right window/door. Then he and his buddy laugh and make disco moves or something that causes the truck to rock up and down, with of course the accompanying insanely loud + megathump bass of what I presume is the latest 8-Mile wannabe music. Hardest part was sitting there for the minute or so before the light changed wondering what else they would do. Odd part I wasn't so much afraid as just pissed off, but not wanting the cretins to actually drive into the side of my p-car, I just sat in the car instead of getting out. And this is LA, for all I know, they might have had guns.

THAT FU*KING SUCKS MAN! It pisses me off just reading about it.

mozhacker , the same exact thing happened to me in my car. Stopped at a light, punks in a car next to me decided to spit on my car several times. I just sat there dumbfounded at the level of maturity on these kids. Several other cars around me honked at them. I am glad now that I didn't get out, only bad things could have happened. I went home, washed the car, and was happy in the knowledge that I am able to afford such nice toys, and they can't.

Scott, I drive a loud and leery Zanzibar red GT3 about here in the UK, and the overwhelming response i've had is superb. Most people come over at the filling station for a chat and a look, and those that look a bit sick because i drive it, keep it well buttoned!. Attitude plays a big part in peoples reactions. Drive around like you have a piece of **** under your nose, and people will take umbrage. look like you are stoked to be driving it and people pick up your buzz. Anyway, as I'm 38 but look 15, especially dressed in my combats and a tee, people probably think it's my dads, and i've nicked it for the day! It's not all bad over here you know. Except the weather......and the beer....oh yes, and the public transport. At least we drive on the proper side of the road! regards, Steve B

To be fair, this one bad incident in 20 days of p-car ownership has been far outweighed by the positive thumbs up and other many cheerful people asking questions, looking, or smiling as I/they go by/fill-up at gas station.

I'm jealous, that's exactly the color I wanted. For the new GT3 (at least in the US) they won't do it even as a "paint to sample." Nice ride and nice color!

Yes I would agree the UK is too socalist. But it's not as bad as the rest of Europe.

There are far to many young punk bu** heads like that in the MBch/Torrance area. I use to live in MBch. You probably did the right thing under the circumstances. But, I am not sure I would have been as proper as you were. Under the circumstances, if something happened, their SUV, could clearly be construed as a lethal weapon.

hostility towards my car is something i've never experienced. however, i had a friend in high school with a ferrari 308 gtsi. we weren't spit on but we'd find a pool of it on the seats if the top was off. worst incident was getting one side of his car keyed nose to tail. he kinda deserved it, we took two parking stalls in a crowed lot.

That totally blows . There's an underlying rage in some people that just seems to manifest itself when presented w/ a situation of perceived inferiority or have/have not. Those asswipes likely aren't going anywhere in their lives, and spewing a lugey onto your sweet ride was the most intellectual effort they'd undertaken all day. The positive spin here is that you were under control, your car is okay, and those dudes will be stone deaf in a couple of years after bass-hammering their auditory system. It is fortunate that the incident was at a busy intersection and that they didn't see your car in a parking lot somewhere. Persons of their diminished social/cranial capacity surely would have left a mark that wouldn't wash away. fwiw.... Jeff

Did you guys read the story of the African American doctor in CA who picked up his new GT3 and was run off the freeway by a couple of trailer trashers in a pickup truck not long after he took delviery in January? The car was totalled by the ins. co.. Luckily the doctor walked away. This was on the GT3 Rennlist board. If I recall correctly, it was a post for a "anybody need a parts car" or something like that. It was a terrible story and a sad statement on our society today.

What's the longest thread ever in the history of rennlist?

This one I think. It needs to be retired

Why do you feel this tread needs to be retired? If you feel, quit posting...

brh986, thanks! Zanzibar is one of those colours you either love at first sight or it leaves you cold. Depends if you want to be noticed or not! Just to tantalise you a bit more, check out this web page. She should be in this months GT Purely Porsche! fame and fortune beckons!! http://www.featurecars.com/GT3%20996.htm Regards, Steve B

I know this thread is getting long but I have to tell everyone how much it has helped. I bought my first P-car 3 years ago which was a Boxster. A year ago I bought a 2002 911 C4S. And a week ago I added a 2004 Cayenne S. I have loved all of the cars and am obviously a certified Porsche nut. I have been a Porsche fanatic since I was a kid and I am finally in a position to indulge my passion. But boy, in the past week now owning TWO Porsches, I have seen the envy come out from co-workers, family, and friends. I don't get it. Growing up I was happy for people who had success. That obviuosly is a rare trait. Thank you all for this thread. I feel better now and plan on enjoying my Porsche's. The heck with jealousy.

I'm bringing this thread back to life. A new generation of Porsche owners have issues, and they're all the emotional kind. So vent!!

I would think driving around Monroe you would get a lot of looks especially when you pass one of the hundreds of rusted pick up trucks in that town.

I'm not sure when the last time you were in Monroe, but it's turning into the next Westchester. Just down the road from me they are building homes starting at $680,000 - 40 of them!

It's been 7 years since I was there last, sounds like it has changed a good bit. I'll have to check it out next time I visit my bro.

We've been here 3 1/2 years and it's changed MUCH even in that time. We really do like it here, but yeah I can see in 5 more years it turning into Westchester.

It's a great town, sounds like it's really taking off now, my brother lived there for about 4 or 5 years, corner of Stage and Maple, old white house he restored, not sure of the address, he moved to Tuxedo Park after he lost the mayoral election...lol.. The Italian Deli on Millpond is excellent, hope it's still there when we visit.

Sent you a PM.

First of all, I'd like to thank Riad for the podium..... My wife and I had a long discussion this past holiday about the way people started treating us since I bought the Porsche. We live in a small town so it's difficult to be anonymous. I always went out of my way to keep the car out of sight by parking it in my garage and by using my pickup to ferry the kids locally to various sporting events or to school. Once the word got out that I had a Porsche my wife and I definitively felt that some people treated us differently. We talked about it and try to reasoned whether we were being overly paranoid or sensitive. We did both conclude that some people did change their attitude. It even got to the point that some kids were calling my kids spoiled...which they tottaly aren't as I see to that daily. I even considered getting rid of the car now that it was affecting my kids. My wife and I decided that would give the envious people a victory. All of this would be probably different if we lived in a big city...in a small town it's a small world. The dumbest thing is that my wife drive a special edition Range Rover that cost us exactly $1,000 less than what I paid for my car, yet no-one ever said boo about her truck because they don't really know what it is. Everyone knows what a Porsche is. Of all the toys I have (a guy gotta have some) such as fancy shotguns, Bogan fly fishing reel collection, nice watches... the ONLY thing that people notice is the P-Car.... Now I'm cool with it and I figure if people want to treat me differently scr*w them, who cares. The only time I'm being cautious is around clients.....I drive my pickup or rent a car when needed. In concluding dear fellow rennlisters, I'd like to remind you that Canadian are way more conservative that in the US and if you think it's bad in the US, just come to the land of socialist that's also known as Canada. Cheers and thank you for the opportunity to vent.

I haven't noticed too much difference. Not many people at my office know I have the car, and most of the ones who know also know that I simply love cars. They know I am not any different in anyway so they are not threatened or whatever. Not that many in my family know about the car either. My parents know and are thrilled that I made enough of myself to be able to have such a car. My mother and father in law do not know that I have the car. I think they might not be that thrilled with it. I am sure they will eventually find out. My friends were thrilled too because they know I love cars and have always wanted a 911. I don't think they were jealous at all though I am sure there are some who are envious. I don't see that as a bad thing. In any event I don't personally care what anyone else thinks regardless. I love my car and that is that. Anyone who wants to judge me on the car I drive is probably not someone I need to spend any time worrying about.

I went through this a lot too, with both people in Los Angeles and people in Toronto. Whether they were business associates or long-time friends, some of them were happy for me, but most of them seemed envious and angry. As if it wasn't fair or something. It really pissed me off at the time, but I don't give a f*&@ anymore. You find out fast who your real friends are.

No joke, many of my friends here (I moved here just over 2 years ago) genuinely thought I was an internet **** lord I have a number of projects on the go and spend a lot of my time working from home so they naturally thought I was a bit shady

I'm late to this thread, but I too have experienced my share of the anecdotes posted here. Most of my friends are at similar stages in life as me -- a wife and multiple toddlers, with income streams from investments in addition to primary occupation. Approaching 6 years now on my P-car, and I'm still getting the "he's getting his midlife crisis out of the way early" wise-crack from them. What I can't stand the most is their misconception of me as a person. Whenever we're getting together for a meal or an outting, they'd say stuff like "he's too good to want to go eat there now that he drives a Porsche." WTF?! What does a P-car (or any car I drive) have anything to do with my values or morals? I've learned to just laugh things off, but those types of mischaracterizations really do bother me. Like it or not, Porsche has entrenched itself as a social icon, and those who of us in pursuit of it will largely be judged as being status-seeking, flashy, insecure, and wasteful. Because of this, I'm extremely discreet about my P-car. In fact, I still have some friends who don't even know about it. The old adage is so true. Success sure does change people. Sadly, however, it changes those around you much more than yourself.

I got a business in 6 countries in Europe. My employees expect me to be loaded, althought I am not particualy rich compared to some of you guys here Employees expect bosses should drive nice cars right? I am in the inetrnet biz so I never meet my customers face to face. Maybe that is why I do not need to hide anthing like those of you have to deal with customers. My customers come to a pc inbox Although I am british, I live in Czech Rep. A lot of people are **** poor here and a lot of people in Prague are mega rich. A car like mine is 10 years the average salary, just a theoretical number for most people. People point a lot and get their camera phones out and take pics which is cool. They seem to appreciate a lot more in the UK where a porka has the ****** image. There is also the perception here that if you drive an expensive car you are a criminal and BTW a lot of crims do but they prefer cayenne's So owning a car like this in central europe is not so bad and far more positive than negative.

Very limited people at work know I have a 996. It's already hard enought as it is for me to get ahead at work I don't need anymore biases. A couple of my friends had "tight" faces when they first saw me in it but they got over it. Family members are proudish.

Wow! I just spent half an hour reading all thes posts. I got egged last summer parked in front of a restauant in town. The only car egged, my red porsche.I tok it home and washed it right away. Some brats or punks having fun.It just shows how everyone is jealous and hates to see someone more successful and enjoying the fruits of their hard work. I'm just glad it was eggs and not keyed or really ****ed up by these miscreants

This is what I get all the time at work Just to be sarcastic, I just say... "I used my daughter's college funds"

My response to "curious" observers, etc. "FORTY MORE PAYMENTS AND SHE IS ALL MINE!" Everybody seems to understand passion and leverage whether it is planes, helos, snomobiles, guns, pickups, motorcycles, property, wine cellars, whiskey, women, boats, muscle cars, tie tacks, rolexs, diamonds, weber grills, YOU NAME IT!!!!!!!!!!!good night! Steve

I was really worried about this when I bought mine being from a blue collar background made me extra sensitive that my family might think I was getting a little "uppity". Reality was that everyone was really happy for me. I never got any negative vibes at all from friends, family or co-workers.

I got mooned the other day...luckily I had my top up and got mooned by a girl...so this wasn't so bad...her boyfriend was driving the truck....there are some strange people in the world!! I deliberatly drive my P to meetings, my clients have to know why they pay me soo much money!! And I have to show that I am not a starving artist but one they can trust the job to. Reason enough to upgrade the front and make the P look like a 04........just because I am too cheap to pay more for a newer one!! About the ones that can't handle it: screw them...I am working my a... off to have the lifestyle I want...and I know people who do a lot better and if I see them in their new P's and F's and in my area Lambo's......I am happy for them and hope that one day it will be me.

A prime example is my father in law - now here's a guy in his 80s who drove a TR3B for years, then Buicks (of course). His other son in law got a 350Z a few years ago, and he couldn't say enough. But when he gazed at my '04 Atlas C4S coupe last week, his only reply was "looks like every other damn sports car on the road!" Maybe his issue isn't with Porsche, but he just has a problem with me. Oh well, move on. Phil

I've also gotten the "How can you afford this?" line. I used to say "Always marry rich instead of good looking. My wife's family owns oil companies in Texas and my father in-law bought this for me when we got married."

I get some envy from co-workers and friends, but I think it is the nice "wow - wish I had one too!" envy and not the "rich jerk!" kind of envy. I'm actually more hesitant to show people the house than the car. I work at an internet security company that went IPO pre-bubble (I wasn't here yet ), and when it went public all the R&D team went out and bought Porsches. Most of them are no longer here, or have burned through their easy cash. I'm in it for the long run and invest tons more than I spent on the car.

When Raid said he was going to bring this thread to life I was thinking WTF, the thread is only 3 days old, then I noticed it started in 2004, lol. Damm, after reading this thread, I was starting to get depressed. I was feeling quite confident, relaxed, happy with the good fortunes in life (my wife and I are both physicians), so the points that people have been making have been 'repressed' or 'ignored' by me. After reading the anecdotes, now I am starting to second guess my happiness. I suppose that the proffession that one is in does play a role as I am sure most people would not be surprised with their physician driving a nice car, but general peoples views on the road may be quite different. Like Orange County (Irvine, where I am visiting right now), Porsche's seem to be a common site in Scottsdale, so perhaps I have been sheltered from the resentment. I was seriously thinking about a 'flashy' color (red, yellow, and in particular zanzibar red has always tickled my fancy) but after reading this thread I am glad I picked a 'conservative' color. Hearing about people giving the finger, spitting on cars etc seems extremely scary almost to the point if my wife heard about these things happening she would urge me to get rid of the car. My personal experiences so far have been only positive (or perhaps I have been naive and people are talking behind my back?). Most of my friends are also physicians, so that is why we might have been sheltered? This thread has been eye opening and re-inforces the notion to be as humble as possible and refraigning from sticking out (with prominent car colors).

Deven - don't listen to the naysayers. If you find a yellow car the color of a neon marker, or one that's fire engine red, and it appeals to you - GET IT. Never base your happiness off the opinions of others.

I can't believe all this nonsense. "To thine own self be true." A Porsche comes from the inside out; as does everything else. For those who drive them not to would be a lie. Our father-in-laws drive rusted Buicks because that's what they are. We drive Porsches because that's what we are. Period.

You are not what you drive.

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My wife makes as much as I do, and she was the one to encourage me to buy the car, so I just say "It was a gift from my wife" and if they ask more I say "She's a muck at *****"

I'm a Project Designer/Manager with an architectural firm. I've heard the "we're paying you too much" line more time than I care to from clients and contractors. I focus on Fire Station design and hear this from a lot of Fire Chiefs. I always just tell them that my Porsche probably cost less than the decked out Surburban they drive. Once a Chief walked me out after a meeting and when he saw what I was driving his face really lit up. He then took me back inside to show me pictures of his Porsche (80's 944). Then he wanted a drive around the block being sure to tell me "not to hold back". He was very complimentary the entire time while asking me all kinds of questions. It was really nice to run into someone that "understood" why I enjoy the car so much.

Wow ... Amazing thread guys. It makes me smile. My family had been very proud and most friends too were quite amazed. Very few negative reactions. Some comments (at airport picking up buddy, said cheerfully with a smile) "You can't really park here .... but you can afford the ticket anyway" (by current girlfriend) "ooh !! That's awesome !! Lets go for long drives everyday" (then we come back to reality; work = no long drives everyday !!) (by my ex-girlfriend, said "happily" but with total malice) "Hmm ... so you easily get chicks huh ? Must be nice getting laid everynight differently" ---(WHAT THE F-_-_-_ ?!?!) (by random people, said nicely) "Nice car"/"Wow ... nice car dude"/"sweet" (by an intern, naively) "Hey ... it looks like a stretched fast going VW beetle !" (by some close friends) "oh f**k man ! Awesome ... I'm coming over right now!" "damn ! this car looks great from every angle" (when I was finding the right camera angle sending snaps back to my parents) "congratulations man ... you're the man !" I've noticed that most people take a second or two to react. See, I look like a college kid (I'm 25) and they know I'm self supported - hence the confusion. I make ok money (some of you guys ... damn $$$!) but I love living life to the max (but never on credit). I make smart money moves but I won't call the porsche and "investment" .... its purely my indulgence and I love it ! In the end guys, live and let live. Don't let people come between your dreams and don't be ashamed to dream high. to the thread that never dies ! Sid

I had a client in rural Macungie, PA. It was an oil pipeline company and the people there were very "conservative." Anyway, they wanted to have some "face time" with the software development team so we decided to drive up from VA and work there for a week (laptops, monitors, printers, etc. in tow.) So we drove up and one team member drove his M3, another drove a pimped out Ford Excursion (with thousands of dollars in mods), another a new Lexus and I drove my 996 Cabriolet. These are all everyday cars in Northern Virginia but they caused quite a stir up in rural Macungie. The project manager told me that the client had commented that "we must pay you guys too much -- especially the guy with the Porsche" and "please tell the guy with the Porsche not to drive it here next time because some of the employees felt like he was 'showing off' and were offended." I was a bit offended that they singled me out for driving a Porsche but not wanting to make any waves, I decided to take my more conservative SUV up to Macungie the following week for the acceptance testing sessions. And wouldn't you know it the project manager came up to me and told me that he got another comment from the client "He has a Lexus RX330 too?! Now we know we are paying too much! He should stop showing off!" First of all, they do not pay me -- they pay my company and our hourly rates are very competitive. Secondly, we all joined the company pre-IPO and made a killing with the stock options (which eventually tanked when the bubble burst.) Some of us were lucky enough to get some toys out of it while others got screwed trying to come up with money to pay the AMT for the options they exercised right before the bubble burst (ouch!) Finally, I felt that it was a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" situation. I switched to the SUV because the Porsche caused such a stir and it made the situation worse. Next time I will rent a Hyundai from Thrifty.

You should have given him the "my wife bought it for me" line. Or offered him to give it to him as a present if he could guess the prices for all four cars within a 5000$ range. That would have demonstrated that he is a total jerk. Thorsten

I can believe this!

You should have responded, "I'm very offended that someone else would presume to tell me how I should spend my very hard earned money."

We have a Lexus RX-330 too. Seems to be a common companion to the 911.

Show off! Yeah. I love the RX-330 but I don't drive it enough -- the 996 is my daily driver! The last time I took the 996 in for service at the stealership, er, dealership (they damaged one of the sideskirts) they gave me a Cayenne S loaner. I loved driving the Cayenne S for a week but couldn't justify the price compared to the Lexus -- especially since the 996 would still be the daily driver. For now the RX-330 is the "first date car" and I only bring out the 996 on the third or fourth date.

Not too stray too far off topic, but the only thing that peeves me about the 330 is the lack of power. Lexus just introduced the RX-350 which has 270hp, my wife and I are going to test drive it next week, if we like it we may just trade in our 330. Now back to Porsche Therapy.

I have also experienced mixed reactions from people at work and else where. However, isn't it strange that when you buy a fully loaded mini van or SUV (new) you pay as much as a slightly used P, but no one bats an eyelash? Porsches are not practical, they scoff. Of course I beg to differ. In day to day use, it is perfectly practical, and besides isn't it better to drive around in a small, Lean Emmission Vehicle than an SUV?

You're not your f%%king khakis.

I totally agree with the comments that most people are 'ignorant' to the prices of cars. When I had my Boxster, since it was a new design and relatively rare, I remember not a day went by without someone commenting (in a positive way) about the car. Most people saw it as an exotic vehicle, and those that new of the Porsche marque were equally impressed. After my 1st boy was born, I managed to convince my wife that we needed an SUV, so we got the Lexus LX470. The truck loaded had a MRSP of 68K, quite a bit more than a Boxster and possible even similar or more to a base 996 in 2000. However most people did not bat an eye when seeing the truck (including family and friends) as I am sure most people ae not aware of costs of SUV's (or perhaps people view it as a family car). In any event, the truck does fly under the radar mos of the time.

Riad, Have you looked at the Infiniti FX35 or FX45? Much more get up and go and pretty good value in them too. Infiniti is one of my clients and I can't recomend their vehicles enough. When my wife's Volvo's lease is up, we'll be replacing it with either an FX or an M35x. Don't getting me wrong, Lexus' are excellent machines, just set up a little more conservatively for a (generally) older client.

riad...try the RX400h...better acceleration and of course environmentally sound. Just got one for my wife and she loves it.

Yes, we thought of that too. Believe it or not the Rx400h doesn't get better gas mileage than the 330, and I think they are asking a 10k premium for it. Doh!

I can see some of this from others, but from other PORSCHE drivers? Many years ago I was introduced to a woman in my office, and they casually mentioned that I also "had a Porsche." The woman had a 911SC at the time. (I had a turbo 911). She apparently thought I was the owner of another Porsche I had seen in our parking lot, it appeared to be a very early 924. The woman kind of brushed me off saying something to the effect of how superior the air-cooled Porsches were to any others. In time I discovered that she and her husband had several Porsches, including a 356, a 914-6, and this 911SC. I was pretty upset that she was so biased against other Porsche drivers,--and it was funny to me that she didn't even know what Porsche I owned. She's prominent in the national Porsche Club of America organization. I have since sold that Porsche and have a wasser-boxer on order,--a new 997S Cabriolet Paint To Sample. Dan

You and Riad have the RX. While I don't have the Pcar anymore (yet) our RX is the kids carrier. I'm looking to sell my M3 to buy the 996 very soon. My wife snuck a 'rider' on the Porsche contract (buy her parents a used Lexus/MB/BMW/Volvo). EDIT - However I still grapple what my current and prospective clients (physicians) and employees will 'think' of me and my daily beater.

My wife and I are seriously thinking of trading in the RX-330 for the RX-350, it just might address the complaints I have about the Lexus being underpowered.

I'd like to thank you, riad, for starting and bringing this thread back up as I am new around here (not a porsche owner...yet) and missed it first (and second) time around. I read it from start to finish and have laughed and frowned with all the stories. As a car guy my whole life I have always been happy for anyone who owned a nice car and love nothing more than to talk about it (and take a peek/listen/drive). My boss is looking to get a new sports car and I have been having a blast talking aobut it with him even though getting my dream car is something I have to wait on just a little longer (new baby on the way). Someone mentioned that people will comment on the porsche but not on someone with kids. Kids are EXPENSIVE. An average day care alone for two kids will run you around $900/month. That alone, with a decent down payment, will get you a p-car. People without kids can afford a LOT more than people with and that is very rarely taken into account. Also, people who say 'they aren't your real friends' may be right, but that doesn't make it hurt when it comes from someone whom you have always considered a close friend. Going through this thread and hearing some of the stories has gotten me thinking about how I would feel if some of my close friends reacted this way. It'll break your heart. Anyway, this is the best thread ever.

Where do you live? I pay $1,400 a month for day care for ONE CHILD, and btw my wife drives an RX too. We don't like it (the Rx), luckily the lease is up next month, she replaced it with an Infiniti. She wanted a sportier car.

I live in South Carolina. The cost of living is very cheap here. And that's exactly what I'm talking about. Two kids in day care in NJ = mortage on a very nice house in SC. If I knew someone who had a good job and didn't have kids I'd be wondering why in the hell they wouldn't have a nice car. But, that's just me. I guess some people don't see nice cars as works of art and engineering excellence...they're just status symbols.

the money we spend on 2 kid, is good for lease a boxster, cay. s, and 997, if take 529 into considiration.

We did the day care thing for three months - then I asked my wife to quit. It was cheaper for her to be home, better for her, better for my son, and better for me. She wasn't highly paid so the daycare was MORE then what she was making.

Luckily my wife makes the same as me. My Daughter loves daycare, luckily. She comes first. If she didn't like it my wife would/could stay home. My duaghter happiness is more important that wife's high salary. My wife wants a second kid, that another $1,400 a month.

And people think Porsches are expensive!

I've loved Porsches since I was old enough to appreciate cars. Wanted one my whole life. Always responsible though so didn't buy one. Wife told me many, many times "just go buy one". She understands the passion. Finally bought one a month ago. Figure life is short and there will always be something more "responsible" to do with the money, so why not. It's been the best thing I've done. A lot my friends still don't know, but my close friends do. The positive ones said it was about time and I deserve it and rock on. Went over to one friends house to show him and his wife (she loves Porsches) and the first thing he said was "don't you know convertibles are for ****?" Whatever! Talk about a hater. All it showed was his insecurity and lack of confidence in himself. Family loves it, very supportive because they've known how long I've wanted one. One thing I have certainly noticed though is other drivers tailgating me when in traffic on the highway. Get down right on my ***, and I'm not a slow driver by any means. They think that because they're on my *** they're as fast?? Also gets lots of comments in general when out it in. Where I'm at in PDX you don't see them every day. A few clients have seen it, typical first response is "obviously we're paying you too much". I've also gotten the "midlife crisis?" question from several people. I respond with the line from PCA website - no, lifelong obsession! It's a fantastic response.

[QUOTE= and the first thing he said was "don't you know convertibles are for ****?"[/QUOTE] You should have asked him how he became such an expert on the subject

I shouldn't have read this thread =/ I've been dreaming to get a Porsche for a long time already. And this year might be the year where i buy one(used 997). But my biggest fear seems to be valid after reading this thread. I want to enjoy a Porsche, but i don't want to make my co-workers and clients envious. I've already touched the subject with my current client, and he probably would feel happy for me. But i also have to meet his clients who might be less understanding about it. A new full option BMW would probably cost me as much, with a residual value far less than the Porsche. So the Porsche would be less expensive in the long run, but people seem to be ignorant about that fact I wouldn't mind the people that confront me with the fact that i would drive a Porsche, i'm scared of the people that don't say a thing until i turn my back.

Envy problems happen, not only from P-cars, but homes. We live in a small (3,000) town and a young couple moved in and opened an Italian cafe. They lived in the upstairs apartment for 5-6 years. Then after they had their 1st child, they purchased a house out in our part of town and suddenly some of their old customers never come in again. We got to talking about this last week and both of us agreed it's sad-but nothing we can do about it. My wife and I have driven Cadillac's, Benz's and now P-cars and I know we have lost hundreds of thousands of dollars in sales at our retail business because of the cars we drive. Gave my daughter a 2006 Mercedes SLK two weeks ago for 21st birthday and her college friends suddenly act different toward her. Just have to be as humble as possible and live with comments.

It's your life so go out there and enjoy it. I deal with clients all the time in the auto industry. I thought about how they would feel when I show up driving a vehicle that isn't one of their own products and costs twice as much. Most love the car and ask a ton of questions and respect that they have a real car enthusiast consulting for them; it's actually helped build credibility and relationships in some cases. "nothing succeeds like success" is quite true. While others will make jealous/petty comments like " business must be too good... we obviously pay you too much" or "... you should drive something we build...". I just tell them that i can't possibly own a vehicle from every single manufacturer I represent ('cause I don't make enough ) so instead I decided to fufill a childhood dream with this one. Be humble and appreciatiative about your good fortune in owning a beautiful car and people will be fine about it.

What kills me is that colleagues (when I worked, it was for a government agency), and neighbors, many of whom drive Bimmers, Mercedes, and luxury SUVs ask how I can drive such an expensive car. I know for a fact many of them paid close to if not more than me. I'm no shrink, but what I think really bugs them is the fact that a 911 is a sports car, not a sedan or SUV, and therefore somehow frivolous. Screw 'em. I worked hard for my money and will spend it as I choose.

C'mon- if we didn't give a ****, we would be driving Yugo's

So true! But for a guy with no kids like me, a 996 is a completely practical daily driver, and like others have said it makes more financial sense than an optioned-out SUV that's going to fall off the depreciation cliff. In the two weeks I've had the car so far it's caused a bit of a stir among my neighbours, but the comments have been positive. I'm waiting with some interest for my staff to notice: they hated it when I drove a 10-year-old Mazda a couple of years ago, so I think they feel more comfortable when the boss has a nicer car!

I always tell people" I dont care what I drive'....... long pause AS long it's a porsche...

Quote: Originally Posted by mostserene1 (snip) I'm no shrink, but what I think really bugs them is the fact that a 911 is a sports car, not a sedan or SUV, and therefore somehow frivolous. So true! But for a guy with no kids like me, a 996 is a completely practical daily driver, and like others have said it makes more financial sense than an optioned-out SUV that's going to fall off the depreciation cliff. In the two weeks I've had the car so far it's caused a bit of a stir among my neighbours, but the comments have been positive. I'm waiting with some interest for my staff to notice: they hated it when I drove a 10-year-old Mazda a couple of years ago, so I think they feel more comfortable when the boss has a nicer car! NNH: No kids here either, which is a whole 'nother topic re "well, you have no kids so YOU can afford a Porsche." My wife, when asked why we don't have kids, pauses a moment and retorts, "oops, guess we forgot." But I'm thinking of declaring our vet a dependent for tax purposes given current pet medical costs, so everybody has a financial drain somewhere.

However it is important that the House comes first. I have friend who drive high end cars that live with their parents or in crappy apt's. I always tell my friends - at our age girls are more impressed by a Sub-Zero fridge than a sportscar.

I'm a married man, but I'd imagine that until you can replace the word 'girls' with 'women' in that sentence, it is a false statement.

What I really meant was that there is no room for family stuff in a 996, but there's easily enough room for my gf, me and any reasonable amount of luggage. Sorry, I wasn't being very clear before.

Club411... yep you know your old when those things become important. Not to mention back yard toys like my DCS grill... don't burn meat without it!

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No kidding!!!! I was thinking the same thing! What could possibly be said that wasn't covered in the initial 185+ posts?

I ran across this thread and found it interesting. We've got a lot of new owners since then who might, just might, have something of value to share, especially considering the current economic conditions and the fact that a 996 can be had for $20k right now. This is a new demographic in a new climate dealing with a different set of expectations and attitudes from friends/family/etc. P.S. In my defense, at least it wasn't an oil thread...

For example (today): https://rennlist.com/forums/6386012-post32.html https://rennlist.com/forums/6385669-post27.html

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OK, good point. We'll erase two of the three black marks you got for resurrecting this thread!

I'll play along then, as a new 996 owner... I've driven a Cayenne to work every day for some time now. Sure it has a Porsche badge on the hood, but the majority of people who see it in Indiana have no idea what it is. It's just another SUV. Next week, I'll be driving the 996 to the office, parking in the same spot where I have parked the Cayenne for years. I actually thought about parking out back, just to avoid controversy. I've heard people make comments before about the cars that others are driving, mostly BMWs, and even a Corvette. Comments like "I guess we're paying him too much...", etc. The individuals who make these comments see no problem in spending $50 K for a tricked out King Ranch F-250, or more than that for a ski boat. After a little consideration, I decided not to worry about it. I bought the car and I'm proud of it, regardless of what a few uninformed individuals might think. After I've been around for a while, maybe I'll start an oil thread...

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OK, I will delete the infractions

I'm a bit guarded in some circles since apparently I'm "rich" and therefore unworthy in some circles but things usually get better when I make sure that everyone knows that I think it's a car above else (no doubt one of the coolest cars EVER but a car, nonetheless) Now, what's this about an oil thread?

Glad to hear you took it easy on him... Now, do I get credit for my post that was referenced??? Rudy

porsche envy is worse now than a year ago, that's for sure. what i don't like is the envy itself. comments about who's getting paid what, etc. that's just dumb, imho. to me it's just an extension of our puritan heritage where everyone was in everyone else's business. one should not envy another person's outward appearance of success. you want to know what i think when i see someone with a great car/house/boat, etc? i don't think that somehow they are less deserving of those things or they "earn too much" (whatever that means). i think, "what do i have to do to get those things?". those people just inspire me to work smarter/harder so i can be the inspiration for some other guy.

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Well, I have owned Porsches for 21 years, so it is kind of a mute point now. You just need to own Porsches for a longer time, so don't worry. The only time I haven't let someone know I own a Porsche is on a first date, even when it is the only car I own.

HELL NO - I thought the Porsche was to help compensate for my little...... car collection HAHAHAHAHA I guess the older I get the less I car at all what others think. (some of you might be saying "Obviously!") Really, why worry... enjoy it, you bought it. and what, they make you feel wierd? I think that makes THEM wierd...err wait, no scratch that... YOU wierd There are only a couple people that really matter. Your spouse, (should be happy you have something you always wanted) Your kids (should sit in the back and stop fighting so you can drive, no food or drinks either!), and your Mom because she said you look like such a "grown up" in your new car....and to stop sucking your thumb Really...I have driven some realy piles of sh*t and for once I have what I think is a really nice car...either way, I am still the same person. So when people give you that "oh, you're special cuz you drive a Porsh" crap... give them a shot of truth... like, "You Bet! worked my *** off and saved every penny I could just to reach a dream I have been chasing since I was a pre-teen ! Feels pretty good.." Then ask them if they have any dreams... You will see who is wierd then! All this and I haven't even had a single beer tonight...god lord I am sick (this is where Redridge pops in to say, "Yes you are, Ed!) LOL

I wanted to surprise a friend of mine, but I bumped into his sister at Costco,(Sunday) I told her I bought a new toy and it will be arriving on Tuesday or Wednesday, I said don't tell your brother, I want it to a be surprise. 4 hours later she told him. First thing that come out if mouth, "Your a F@#@## Idiot for buying a Porsche. I talked to a few mutual friends about this, they blew it off by saying it's a jealously thing. I don't get it? My friend goes and buy a new motorcycle and a SmartCar, and he calls me an idiot. My other friends say good for you, you always wanted one. One of my sister's, finds out I bought a Porsche, and she's screaming at me for buying a Porsche. I'm 48 years old. Do I need an older sister, telling what I can buy or not. Some of my client's find out I purchased a Porsche, now they're saying they pay me too much, jokingly of course, they're happy for me. My other friend has to buy a new car now, because he has to keep up to me. Other people are saying you're rich because you can afford a Porsche. What is it with people because your own a Porsche

Well, I certainly am glad I don't have any of these problems. See my sig pic!

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WHEW, when I saw you posted I was wondering if you were going to slam me for my "goofy" remarks above If you lived near me, I would let you drive my car - slowly around in a circle - (like Nascar hahahhaha!) Hey your Honda is white isn't it ????????!!

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Some of my closer friends, of the female persuasion, were unexpectedly supportive saying "it's about time - you deserve it!" and the guys, especially the car guys were... umm... not as supportive... Funny observation I've made... I'm the number three guy in my organization of about 350 people (and 260 or so of those people work for me somewhere in my chain)... in spite of my position I am and manage to stay low-key - using my F-150 as a DD helps... I notice nobody says much when somebody pulls in with a new Beemer of whatever flavor... or a Benz... or even a new Jag... but the first day I drove my "old" p-car (which probably cost less than any of those other cars) to work, the news spread like wildfire... Go figure... Rudy

When I first started a job with a new company a few years back, I had to buy a car because at my previous company I had a company car. I bought an 2 year old Jaguar S Type for about $30K. There were about 1,250 employees at the corporate headquarters in a small town in NC and after about a week, one of the guys that worked for me told me that people in the office that I had never met referred to me as "the guy with the Jag." Many of them must have really wigged out three years later when I got the 996 to replace the Jag.

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yes you are, Ed! After a concerts last night, we went out to dinner (my brother had a gig at NJPAC). After someone spilled the beans I "raced cars"... I hot lady (met 1st time) asked me what kind of car I "raced"... I hesitated, and mumbled Porsche... then the awkward silence came for a couple of sec, then I filled up my glass with more sangria... LOL!

While I don't have to deal with people at work (self-employed) and I am in one of those professions where people want you to look successful (Commodity Trading Advisor, where most of my compensation is tied directly to clients' profits) even though it's not really my style (do love to drive, though), friends can have varied reactions. The best approach so far for me has been to get extremely enthusiastic and excited about the car (as if that's hard to do) no matter how rude the initial comment seems. The excitement seems to be contagious for a lot of people, who subsequently accept an offer for a ride. They seem to be pretty cool after that. The rest, well, eff 'em.

I think it's interesting to see how many people say they've gotten flak for what they drive. Maybe it's just that where I've spent my entire life it's more common to see a Mercedes and a BMW than it is a Honda or Toyota. Most kids at my college drove new cars purchased by their parents - and again I'm talking primarily mercedes, bmw and audi. Supercars will turn heads, but anything really short of that is just seen as normal. Also, lots of people dont understand pricing on nice cars unless they are looking to purchase one or already have. My first car was a 944 at 18. It's condition made it look more like a 2-3 year old car than a 20 year old car. It cost me maybe $5k after clutch, and people would wonder why I went and bought a porsche. Meanwhile, they had more basic economy cars that actually cost more. More people were impressed and intrigued by it than rude about it. Same thing with my current M3. I got it at 20, and people thought it was just my parents buying it for me. When I told them I got it all on my own, they wondered how in the world I did that. They had no idea of the current prices, and really neither did I before I started looking. Same thing as before, most would have newer cars (that they didnt buy) and wonder how I had my M3. These are the kids in mommy and daddys $50k benz. It never really made anyone treat me different or dislike me. Maybe some people would see the car and think I was a spoiled rich kid, but in fact I was one of the farthest things from that at my school. People who I knew understood that cars were one of my things, and I'd rather have a used more unique car than just another new car that blends in. I recently told a few friends I plan to pick up a 996, and its a mix between "cool I want a ride" and "how in the world can you afford that" and other things about how it cant be a smart financial decision. I'm the best with money out of anyone my age that I know. Most people know that too. That's how I have so many nice things. It includes cars, clothes, toys, etc. They just throw money around and have no concept of prices, whereas I spend time constantly looking for the best deal. I understand some people may see a kid hop out of a fancy car and immediately think down upon me. That's fine. If that's how they are I'd rather not know them. All my friends and family are happy for me, glad im doing well and want me to be happy. Jealousy is ugly, but we're all hit by it. At first I worried people would think a young kid in a porsche would make me look like an *******. O well, I'm not doing it to look cool. I'm doing it b/c it's a car I've always wanted, I can finally afford, and I may as well get my small, fun, impractical cars while I'm young and don't need to worry about a wife or family or anything. I think it's really funny how some people on here are saying they're getting remarks at them when you're in your 40s or 50s and have a nice car. You should be able to have something nice by that age. You've put in years and year working and raising a family. Get something nice for yourself. I hate seeing a 17 year old who just got their license in a brand new sports car that their parents bought. Mainly bc they cannot appreciate it, dont understand money and are going to more than likely smash the car up (hopefully w/o involving anyone else on the road). But if you have your own money, spend it how you want to. Then again, I guess I'll post back after my purchase if I start getting looked at funny.

I have a 2001 Black C2 and had mine a little over 2 years now and still tell people I meet that I drive a 98 Maxima if the conversation about "what car do you drive" cars come up. I noticed that when I told them I have a 911 that I felt like I would have to justify it. I would alway follow it up by saying " Instead of buying a brand new car for $35k, I decided to buy a pre-owned Porsche for the same amount." However, if I know the guy is into cars, then I usually spill the beans...

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haha this is a good approach. I did this once or twice and like you said, it actually works well. Really confuses them later on tho if you have to give them a ride

Skoot, I think people in the workplace tend to make more of it than people in school. There's also no doubt that where you live is a huge factor. When I lived in Greenwich nobody would look twice at a 911 of any kind for all of the Ferraris, Lambos, CGTs, Bentleys, etc rolling down the street. Heck, I even saw Enzos in 3 colors on Greenwich Ave, one driven by Tommy Hilfiger who drove it to pick up his take-out pizza. Now that I live in East Nowhere, PA it's a different story, though. I've seen 1 other 911 in the last 3 months, so my fun little 996 attracts attention way out of proportion to what it should.

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I work down the road from all those dealers. I know exactly what you mean haha. I grew up on Long Island, which isn't far off, but i do notice more and more that cars are less of a thing there. LA on the other hand made Greenwich look like nothing. I agree with the workplace vs school tho. Different time of life, tons of other bills, etc. The playing field is much more level in college, so to speak. I found the motorcycle raised the most discussion, but I guess sport bikes arent as common in the work place when most people in my building are 30+.

One of the big issues here is simple lack of understanding by the average person on the price of a Porsche - new or used. One of our local PCA members drives a base model Cayman. It's black with black painted wheels, and it looks very sharp. He told me that he was recently having furniture delivered, and one piece was large enough that the delivery men had to take it through the garage. He overheard one of them as they carried the furniture past his Cayman say "Be careful where you walk, that's a $150,000 car right there!". The same is true for the 996. I've told a few friends at the office that I paid the same for my 996 as a nicely optioned new Honda Accord, and they don't believe me.

not sure I get the question....they're practically giving these things away

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Same is true for mine. Although I don't bring mine to work. I'm a career changer and am in my 2nd year of 8th grade math. Took a big pay cut, but I'm extremely happy. Although pulling up in a SY C4S attracts a lot of attention, even though they don't realize that as a CPO there are several cars in the lot that are more expensive. I still need to worry about the kids - they see me - they tell their parents- and then next thing is "teachers are wwaayy over paid!"

My wife is a teacher, and she has just begun driving the Cayenne to work every day. She has already received a comment about it. She told me that she doesn't ever want to drive the 996 to work.

"Life is too short to be driving Chevys." Always remember that.

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yea, but they are great for hauling garbage and junk, camping, skiing and taking the dogs with more of a "fun when you get there -vs- fun getting there" (except the garbage hauling - which is both..... I mean neither )

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My wife initially got some comments too. Drive them to lunch a few times, they'll shut up. Besides anyone who thinks a teacher is overpaid needs a reality check.

I guess I kinda worked it around the other way...before Ebay. Had a friend who was a car dealer and we would fly down to the Orlando car auction in March. I would buy a 944, drive it back to Iowa. After a couple of months of having fun with it, I would sell it for about $2 to $3K profit. People would always be floored that one could buy a Porsche for $10,000! Just a side note...so there I was bringing one back, in Southern Iowa, hands in the 10 and 2 position, 90 mph, seat belt fastened, rearview mirror adjusted, vigilant, (speeding, ya know) when I was passed by a 70's something Sunbird with bad shocks AND the girl was putting on make-up looking in her mirror. Must have been doing 100mph. Her vanity plates read ANITA P. Always remember that, especially at times like this....I NITA PEE. Bye

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+1

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Just for fun... why?

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what did u say? por-sh or pors-che?

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haha a couple weeks ago I went for beers with the guys from my indy shop. One customer has a couple "kids" (maybe 20) that are "ALL THAT" While telling stories across beers I said "Porsch "eh" when refering to my car and one of the kids piped up and corrected me "It's PORSH" I give up on that one... If Alois Ruf says Porsch "eh" than i sure as hell am not stopping anytime soon!! (see this awesome set of vids found by Redridge LINK ) My guess is he knows how to say it ....

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yeah but is it (RUF) a rough or a roof?

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She has driven the Cayenne to work multiple times, but for whatever reason today was an especially brutal day... Comments like "I guess the Math teachers get paid more than the rest of us..." Blah Blah Blah. She is taking it in stride. Many, many people are morons. No surprise there.

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OHHHH DEAR !!!! laughing! ROUGH <kidding>

Don't all you guys down there pronounce roof - "ruf"?

Yes, it is pronounced "roof."

I haven't experienced *envy*, but a friend of mine has a cherry, full body-off restored, '61, series 1, Jaguar XKE rag-top, black with red leather, and by Gawd, I envy him every time he opens the garage door and we go for a ride. Whatta car!

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YES - but to avoid a Poll here is a link - you can hear Alois Ruf pronounce his own name. My guess is he got it right. LINK This is a fantastic set of 4 videos that are really worth watching (Thanks Redridge again! )

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And creek - "crick"... and all of you - "y'all"? Reminds me of a time I was working with some guys from Univ of Texas - guy calls me up on the radio - "Y'all 'er ready?" I ask him "What???" He repeats "Y'all 'er ready??" Again, I say "What???" He says "I said, Y'all 'er ready???" Still didn't really hear him right, so I say, "Larry, What's Y"all 'er???" Larry, this great big Texan, cowboy/electrical engineer, with a great big Texan accent says to me, "I guess where you come from it's a color..." That's a no-sh*tter... Rudy

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too funny

Good one, Rudy!

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Same project - we got these British guys... they're taking their proverbial morning tea and something's missing... I hear on the radio "We'd like to have our sugar back. Can we get our sugar back?!" I respond, "What's sugarback???" After a pregnant pause... In their most proper British accent, "Just bugger off, Rudy..." I guess they needed their tea... It was a long project, but fun... Rudy

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I love that one! Polite to the bitter end (without the sugarback)

Great topic. Sold my 944 after 19 years, paid off the SuperCrew, saved for 8 months, now i'm wondering where i can park my car so the jerk who does my revue won't take "he just bought a porsche" into consideration. I worked nearly 500 hours overtime last year and I'm affraid I'll have to hide the car I've wanted since I was 14. I'm 41 now...

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Welcome to the board... DO IT DO IT DO IT View this LINK 27 years is long enough to wait...... (my wait was 28 and I wish everyday I had done it sooner) No need to hide it, youdeserve it.... enjoy it when you get it !!

problem is, even if you buy an 80's 911... people think you're loaded... its that classic shape that screams, expensive.

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SH*T I thought I bought the one that sreamed "Large Pen*s"" I gave a ride to a co-worker out for lunch yesterday, he was in AWE saying "man. I never have had a chance to ride in a car like this before" - He bought a new Prius last year that prbably cost 2x what I paid for my car - some people just dont know how to make good choices

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It's great being a math teacher - that's what I am. I guess people are jealous that we're good with numbers!

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tough to argue with that kind of sense !

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this is along the same lines LINK

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Engineer, as well. With the added benefit of being able to fix my cars myself I work for the government- everyone I work with knows exactly what I'm making, give or take a few $k. I just don't think they understand that my Porsche is costing me less than that giant SUV they just bought. Or maybe they do... In the last year, our parking lot has gained an Audi TT, Mercedes SLK, Lexus SC430 and a Lotus Elise. Surprisingly, I'm the only Porsche, though I know one guy who will very soon buy a Boxster S...

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Crap! YouTube says the video is no longer available... Rudy

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wierd I just clicked it and it started right off... I'll try again LINK

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Someone that works for me bought a new Elise about a year ago... that thing was cheaper than my old C2 Cab... our lot has several Z3s and Z4s, a couple of Audi TTs (one silver and the other a dark blue - does anyone else think that it looks like Carrera knock-off???) and a bunch of Lexuses (Lexi?) and Infinitis... We even have a Tata Range Rover... and one other 996 C2 coupe... Rudy

I definitely feel uncomfortable driving mine into work so I usually drive it on Fridays when half the company is flexing (not in the office) or the day before a holiday. Considering that there's only a few other Porsches in the parking lot that I am aware of -- a couple of Caymans, a couple of Boxsters, and one other 996 Cab -- I definitely feel that if other people in my dept see me in my C4S, it would generate attention, unwanted or otherwise. Especially considering that the guy that owns a Cayman S is 2-3 pay levels higher than me. I figure people will wonder if I'm getting paid too much, living beyond my means, or sell drugs on the side. The way I see it, everybody has vices -- mine just happen to be cars. I don't live extravagantly, I don't think I live beyond my means (I max out my 401k), I don't take expensive vacations, I don't have any dependents (yet), and my fiancee and I live together -- she makes nearly as much as I do so most of our living expenses are split. One particular co-worker, he's definitely intelligent and good at what he does, but he's somewhat outspoken and bitter. He acts like a car guy that knows everything about cars, but I don't he's ever touched a wrench in his entire life. He paid out the wazoo for a new E46 M3 and again for taking it in to the dealer for everything (including tires!) so he's extremely bitter and anti-BMW; he gives me all sorts of crap whenever the topic of cars come up. He replaced the M3 with an Acura TSX and claims that it's better than his "overpriced" M3. Hey, don't blame BMW and say they're expensive to maintain if somebody steals your 19" wheels from the company parking lot and you have to buy new 19" wheels AND tires -- yes, somebody(s) actually stole his 19" wheels/tires from the company underground parking garage! It's all about perception and ignorance breeds rumours. There are SUVs that cost more than my C4S, but the general population sees $100k when they see a Porsche. Hell, a guy got fired this week and everybody on that team is keeping a tight lip why -- a couple of break room rumours have already started for the reason why. Outside the office, now that's a different story. I want to be seen pimping the C4S, but, hopefully, not by co-workers. ///Michael

My old boss clearly did not approve of my Porsche. My new boss seems to think it's great...I actually caught him using it as an example in an effort to motivate another employee.

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one time, someone said he wanted his tea back

Personally, I drive my P-911-T to work everyday. It was easy for me because, I started driving my "P" day one, and now people could care less when I drive up. I also believe people wouldn't care if I was driving something else, before driving my "P". I believe once people get over the shock of you having a "P" (if they are shocked...) they will eventually accept it as a normal icon of your choice of transportation. It's their problem if not anyway. We are all put here with different taste in foods, drink, women, men, education, recreation, habits, addictions, intellects, motivations, ambitions and our modes of transpiration. Drive what make you happy, and let haters hate. P-FUNK.

This thread is funny. It's also nice to read that I'm not alone with some of the weird reactions I get from people when they see my car. I'm fairly young for the "average" 911 owner (29), and I've noticed I get an above-average amount of scowls and weird looks from people when they see me driving my car. I'm sure they assume it's daddy's money or something, but oh well. Most people who don't know a lot about cars are shocked when they hear that my C4S is 10 years old now. The average person also doesn't realize what an incredible value the 996 is right now. If only they knew that I paid as much for my 911 as they paid for their brand new Civic...

I don't know which is harder to take.... Poor folk lookin at you wondering how you can afford to drive a Porsche or rich folk lookin at you wondering how you can afford to drive a Porsche. This must be a stereotype Porsche owner and I don't look like one!!! Onething for sure, Idon't go collecting rents with my Porsche. I have a good ol poorboy Jeep for that.

I live in LA - no one notices... I did let everyone who works for me know what I paid though - so I didn't get hit up for raises. My 'new' 2004 4S cab is my daily driver - replaced my 09 subaru at the end of the lease.

I love when old dead posts are resurrected from out of nowhere. I totally get it. My purchase wound up coinciding with a decent promotion at work and, as others have pointed out, most people have no idea that you can pick up an '04 C4S for about the same price as a new 3 series Bimmer. While my purchase and promotion weren't related, I'm fairly certain most people assumed that my bump up within the company came with a big payout. Unfortunately, it didn't. I also know most people assumed it was new based on the comments I've heard from quite a few people. Remember, most people aren't Porschephiles and a surprising amount of people can't tell the difference between a 993, 996 and a 997. The fact is most non-car people just don't pay attention. When you start pointing out things like the headlights and engines their eyes just glaze over and they say, "Whatever, it looks new to me..." Making a Porsche the 4th car in my garage also didn't aid the perception. You can't control what people think. Besides, what they think (and the car you drive) doesn't change who you are. I'm still hanging on to what's left of my 30s. Let them think what they want. -Eric

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agreed (i'm in LA as well)

I am picking mine up Friday and anxious to find out!

In big D there are not that many haters. You don't go totally un-noticed like LA but somewhere in the middle.

1st time i drove the 911 to the course, the next few days the phone calls from old familiar peeps wanting to know all about how my business was going, started coming in. I get a thousand comments at the gas station, mostly from other planets: one guy says, "i had one of those once, the tires will cost u over a hundred a piece." another time, the guy pulls up in a very old Lexus something model looking close to death and says,"i paid 80 for mine." an x-friend said i was cheap & blah blah blah. my wife won't drive it because blah blah blah. smart cars & the UPS guy tried to race me. young girls, and i mean "way frekn too young" always thumbs up me. i too live in southern ca so not as much attention as other places maybe, and everyone i know makes more doe than me. however, what i truely believe from most reactions aimed at the car is this: porsche 911 is "the it car". it always was for me, and my neighbor's Pantera. I had a vette, no reactions. I have a Harley...not on the same page. I had the mustang, no comparison. I had two mini's, well, they don't count but people smiled...and pulled right out in front of me! Maybe the best envy reaction is my own, just starring at the car in my garage not believing it is mine. I paid 1/3 retail if your wondering, however i think i have more equity in it than i do my house! does that make me a bad person? It is the most beautiful thing i have ever owned. And i feel absolutely no remorse for having it....to anyone....for any reason-

They can hate me as much as they like as long as they like my car.

I live in a Northern California small mountain community (Weaverville) and my 996 gets a lot of of attention. Often, I don't like the attention so I take my other vehicle.

I've had a 914, a replica speedster, an SC and my 996. Of all the cars the 996 gets the least attention, which I'm very happy about. The speedster got so much attention I hated driving it sometimes, I do miss it though, the car, not the attention. I am not a 'spot light' person, I like the background. I'm also a Porsche fan, the two don't mix well. I always tell people that my cars cost me the same as what most people pay for a nice new import sedan, I just choose to spend my $ on older cars. I Had the speedster at a Mercedes dealership one time visiting a friend. 10 people must've come over to look, ask ?, etc... The funny thing is they could've had 4 replica speedsters for the cost of what they were driving.

Damn I just read all 18 pages, I need to get back to school work. My parents have an 03 996, they dont drive it (15000 miles in 9 years), so I drive it when I am home from college. My friends seem to like it ,but I mentioned to my GF that I could possibly take it to college and she freaked out. She said that she would judge me if it was here. She loves driving around in it, but I have never seen her act like that. Porsche's are misunderstood cars, some people drive them to show off, but the real enthusiast drives one because they know how good it makes them feel. If I have had a bad day driving the P-Car with the windows down always makes me happy. Some people just wont understand.

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Absolutely! Now if I was only as rich as people say I am!

~~~;} Some people are so broke all they have is money. I love my 996. The 996, to me, is so someone who loves to drive, but isn't going to drive in the Le Mans {See: Please Save Me} And I think it was an intelligent choice considering I was going to do another Big Block until I drove a Porsche. Now *that* would have been a mistake.

I alway try to remember to smile at the less fortunate.

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No kidding!

Wife: "do you really want to be the guy who drives a Porsche?" Me: "Yes, I do." (but because it's fun to drive, not because I want to be seen in it). Daughter (15) won't ride in it, too "ostentatious." Son (11) loves it, except when asked to ride in the back seat. I conveniently blame it on a midlife crisis (bought it at age 45 so that gives me till 90?). I sometimes joke that I gave my wife the choice between the midlife P-car and a mistress, and she told me that the P-car would be a lot cheaper. It is the least expensive car we have based on what we paid for each at purchase. I enjoy telling people that because everyone assumes that it's a $100K car. Interesting thread, thanks RLers. q

I currently own both Lexus SC400, and a Acura Legend Coupe LS and I love them both equally. I was in my early 30's when I acquired those cars, and over the years, I loved them even more because you can't get a newer edition on either of them, because both Honda and Toyota stop production of those model years. But after driving them for so many years, I thought I was done with cars period, and satisfied my mojo... HAAAA HAAAA. After almost headind to bed, I seen this P-911-Turbo 996 with all that wood grain interior, and that in-board computer, I was interested to test drive it, and did just that the next day. WOW, OH $%@%** !!!!!! Now I am done. My mojo is set for life. The P-911 Turbo was purchased with CASH, paid in full! P-FUNK-

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trollololol

Interesting thread... I never gave it much thought - I have always been a car guy and keep on top of the industry. I could probably be a junior editor at one of the industry magazines like C&D and R&T It was always my dream car all my life - it started with a plastic Revell model my Mom bought me when I was 5 - it was a yellow air cooled Carerra - the type of model that looks great on the box, but is crappy white plastic inside. When I was in college the hot new car was the 944 - when it was new on the market it was the car to have for those that couldn't get a 911. I work in the IT field, and slowly made more money each job change - I started with the hobby with a new 99 Honda Civic Si, then got a 05 WRX STi, and then a 08 Infiniti G37, and then finally the cars I have now - my daily driver 2012 Hyundai Veloster, and my nightime/weekend fun car the 40th AE 911. Never gave much thought to what other people think of me - buy now you all have me paranoid! No wonder people whisper about their cars at work. Not to get all political, but I guess it is not "Fair" that I have this car I worked hard for, and everyone should have the same Ford Focus - everyone sell their cars and put it in a fund to divide equally with everyone and we'll all get the average priced cars. Remember to vote this November! LOL

Glad this thread was started - this actually bugged me quite a bit for a while. When I bought my first 911 years ago, no one paid much attention as it was a '77 and a project car. I hang with a very eclectic crowd - everyone from city coroners to nurses/doctors, techies, legal, and unemployed/disabled workers. We don't care what you do - we DO care who you are. I was a bit dismayed when I bought my '04 and suddenly some folks treated me a bit different. My inner circle didn't care much, but some outer circle folks gave me some ****, and I actually felt bad about it for a bit. Eventually I came to the realization that my car is my car, and other people's reactions to it are just that - their reactions and their issues. If a friend of mine got a Ferrari or a huge house, I wouldn't really give a **** as long as they were still cool. So if they have envy - that's probably natural. Not everyone can have a Porsche. If they act differently, then give them some space, and let them adjust. If they just can't handle it - well, that's on them, not on you. If I was really really concerned about it, I'd sell her. I just have too much fun listening to that engine sing. Just keep your karma, like your wheels, in alignment

bet they would not give you crap if you spent the same amount of money on oversize/overpriced SUV...have you seen how much they go for now? You could get a 996 turbo for the price of some even mid priced SUV's/trucks

I saw this thread resurrected (again!) and avoided reading it... eventually curiosity got the better of me wondering what could possibly have set it off again... amazing that this is still a topic on 996s, especially considering that the newest of them is pretty long in the tooth and not much to be bragging about anymore. I've never cared what people think or say about me or my car. Irrelevant. People need to find better things to stress over. Having said that I can't say I remember anyone saying or doing anything negative about my car. Mostly they think it's a pretty cool car.

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+1.. Awful thread. The kind of thing that gets posted on non Porsche forums slagging P Car owners.. Who gives a flying (f) what anyone else thinks of your car or you for driving it.. I didnt buy it for anyone else or their opinion so its meaningless to me

I take a good bit of ribbing over the 996's. In some cases I think it is simply a matter of perception and perspective. Some people are truly down on their luck through no fault of their own, they perceive the cars as very expensive and excessive, from their perspective, perhaps long term unemployed or facing other financial or life struggles, I can understand it. The ones that kill me are the people who are driving cars that cost 2x what I paid for either 996 - they have the perception that I am driving a brand new $100k plus car - and as one guy put it - "J.C. you have a pair of them? - I never understood why anyone would even want one." Bottom line - I own them because I enjoy them - my first was a 1968 911 and no car before or after can compare to the enjoyment I get from driving a Porsche. It is truly a driver's car and for me it is true that "there is no substitute". In any event - I am not so sure that it is simply "envy". Not everyone wants or even likes a Porsche. And in the end, who really cares - as the saying goes "to each their own".

^^^ Exactly - the 996 is an older car, but the "general" public doesn't know a 1999 from a 2009 model, so they think the wrong thing. Crap, a new Hybrid Electric car from GM costs what the used 996 cost me, and they get to be green and cool, and I get to be the hated player.

I can't understand it, but yet I get it. People will envy anything you have that is hiddenly important to them personally; which they (for what ever reasons...) can't have. It's human nature, and there's nothing anyone could do about it. In the end, the question is will they be willing to go for it, when the time and place presents its self to righteously do what it takes to make themselves happy. If not, then that's tragic.

Living in BFE Maine, no one knows what P-cars are!

I love my 996 because owning it, was my dream as a child, when many of my dreams during my childhood were unfulfilled. My P-FUNK (911) is a great balance for those thing, I didn't achieve. The bottom line is, if people want to judge you for the car you drive, and that car happens to be a solid car, with exceptional performance -- let them have at it.

As George Carlin would say: "don't sweat the petty stuff, and don't pet the sweaty stuff."

You do have to get used to everyone knowing what you drive, and occasionally commenting on it. Usually all positive. I work at a large tech firm with a boomer/Gen X population. The lots are filled with minivans and beige CamCords, many of which cost more than the 996. Car enthusiasm is virtually non-existent. But in their minds a Porsche is an exotic thing, made out of rare materials and capable of unbelievable speeds. And I'm sure they wonder either how I afford it or why I would spend that much money for a car. Now, my wife works as a high school dean and occasionally drives the Porsche to work. The kids, particularly the boys, think she is cool. And my neighbors get a kick out of seeing someone wash a car so often.

I'm in the market for a 996 and one of the reasons im hesitating is because of "porsche envy" Its weird but i dont want people thinking that im trying to show off or anything. Like many have said before, a new civic costs just as much

The first time I met my buds with the new Pcar I pull up and they are like, "nice Boxster". Then they check it out and it turns to, "wow...a 911!". I always remember...its not about you, it's about the car.

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Me thinks one worries too much about what others might think - I believe that is sometimes referred to as "other worth" - "self worth" allows us to be okay with what we think and believe and to accept that others have the right to think and believe as they do. Neither party truly has any bearing on the other. Buy the 911 if that's what you want - and enjoy it. And believe it or not - when I was driving a 1968 911 in the mid 70's some people said it was the ugliest car - looked like a pregnant roller skate. And one day at work one of my Supervisor's told me that her and her husband were behind me on the way home and her husband told her to ask me why I would buy such an ugly car. So I told her the truth - I am in LOVE with it - probably the same reason she married her husband. Yes - I really told her that.

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I agree...but I do get the hesitation. Today, I walked by someone at a parade who commented to her boyfriend/husband that someone was "very pretty for a fat girl...". My first thought was, "and you're kind of ugly for a skinny girl..." but, of course, I didn't say anything. I have no idea who she was talking about or whether this person was, in fact, attractive but I don't understand why some people feel the need to make these kinds of comments. Your supervisor's husband was probably jealous. Maybe he didn't like Porsches but he knew you had a car you wanted and he probably didn't...or couldn't for some reason. Much like you, I've always bought cars that I love. I had people call my Z3 a "clown shoe" and my TT an "Audi New Beetle". Most people are very positive (or just keep their thoughts to themselves) but my Sonett has certainly provoked some interesting questions. One was, "I get that you're into cars but why that?" and another was "are you weird?". My kids' doctor even asked me why I didn't just buy a 993 when he saw my name listed as a new PCA member in our local magazine (he owns a 993 C4S). A friend of mine once even said, "Dude, I can't believe you bought a Volvo..." about my S60R. Every day I walk out to my cars they all make me smile. That's all I care about when choosing a car. Anything else I can get over. -Eric

Eric - you have me laughing. Going off P-Car topic for a moment. My wife tends to be one of those who observes everything and everyone and usually has a comment or two. The other day we were on the road - hot and humid day - and she sees a guy walking and he is wearing a sweater. So she points him out and says what the hell is that guy doing? I say - looks like he's walking - she says yeah but he's wearing a sweater - I say maybe he's cold - she says he can't be cold because it's so hot - I end it with my usual closing line "so tell me honey, how exactly does this affect your life". Tonight my son was telling me, in front of the wife, that she called him to tell him she just passed a Maple tree and it only had like 16 leaves on it and she thought the tree might be sick and she wanted to know what he thought. He said he couldn't know cause he didn't see the tree so she tried to describe what street it was on so he could check it out. We all laughed - we blame it on the side effects of the chemo. What really had me laughing was the comments about the different cars. In 1990 my wife was driving an 86 Honda CRX and I had an 87 Mazda 626GT Turbo. But we had our first child in the fall of 89 so it was mini-van time. We ( I should say I ) picked the 1990 Oldsmobile Silouette - it was the first year for the van and it looked sort of like a space ship - it was definitely different from the other mini vans. Anyway - I was dropping off a kitchen cabinet on a job and when the carpenter came out to off load it he stopped dead in his tracks - hands on hips - staring at the van and he finally asks if I just bought it. I proudly say yep - picked her up last night. He's says geez, you really shouldn't go car shopping when you're mad. Straight face and all, he grabs the cabinet and walks away shaking his head. Feels good to laugh for a change - Thanks for being here.

caz.JPG Drive what you love, and love what you drive...

It comes down to which car get's the garage...

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It's great to experience three distinct cars... The Acura is a front wheel drive, The Lexus is a rear wheel drive, and my 911 is an all wheel drive. I personally enjoy them all, and depending on the mood I am in, any one would still get me there fast. Anybody could own these cars I drive, and but it's easier for haters to hate. I own the pink slips on every one, and I personally don't see a Sunrise nor a Sunset, on any down grades or upgrades. I am done, and frankly very happy with my rides. P-FUNK-

A guy I work with has z4 m series. He parks next to me and he was looking for a non-convertible so asked me what mine costs. I said 16 thousand. He said "60 thousand?" Non-Porsche people don't always know what year they are if they are shinny. I wanted to laugh because it cost less than a three year old accord, etc. one of the pluses of Porsche ownership. Somewhat offsetting higher maintenance costs.

Half of my friends are car enthusiasts and the rest drive trucks or midsize Japanese vehicles. My car enthusiast friends break my ***** and call it a Boxter. My family car friends think the car is novel. Overall the car has a fairly low-key presence thanks to the color and the simplicity of the '99 Carrera 2. It isn't an obnoxious model/year/color combo.

Seriously, I purchased a porsche because of the name, people think I spent a ton of money on it, and it's the best reliable handling sports car. (they don't know that it costs me less than what they paid for their Prius) LOL

I woudn't touch a prius even it if was handed to me free.

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Only way I would is while executing PIT manuveur on one holding up traffic for the sake of maximizing MPG.

I would happily accept a free Prius...and drive it straight to Carmax.

I got random calls from friends that I usually don't talk to asking if I really got a Porsche. Once I say yes there would be an awkward silence. I would finally have to say thanks for calling.

It's kind of funny to look at the beginning of this thread, which was started in 2004 when the 996 was the current 911. Now, of course, to many owners of other 911 variants, 996 owners should sort of act embarrassed or something. Here in San Diego, a 911 of any sort barely gets a second glance from anyone, but I gets TONS of compliments on my 914!!! I do most of my work on a subcontracted basis, and I don't let the folks that hire me know I own a Porsche (well, three of them). Even though they drive cars that are much more expensive.

I realize that this thread is old news, but I have a bit of a sob story, too. I don't talk to my extended family much anymore. Just my own offspring and one brother. Sad, but absolutely true. I bought my 986 three years ago and after only about a month of ownership, drove it to the family reunion. Initial reactions were great (of course, no one knew that it was only a $10,000 car and I didn't let on). Not more than a month after that, cue the family drama. I won't go into the gory details, but basically they thought that I was some sort of stuck up moneybags that wouldn't share. Got similar treatment from my "friends". Whatever. It's just a car. I hate to say it, but I have no use for family or friends like that. Of course, things are a little bit different out here in the middle of America. Porsches are much more rare and to this day I still get stares constantly when I drive it.

Might be an old post but an interesting one. I had a lot of cars in my time but nothing has the effect of a Porsche. After 2 months of 911 ownership I've found: 1.Other Drivers. It seems that 90% of other drivers will not let you out of a junction. Trucks ,buses and vans will try to cut you up, and tailgate you. When you park someone will come up and tell you that their friend has a much faster car thats also worth more than your Porsche. Others will tell you that they had a brand new 911 and sent it back because it was rubbish - and when asked which 911 did they own the say the 4.0 one...???? Then they return to their 8 year old Nissan. 2.Family and Friends. Every car I've owned (and I've owned a few) gets its photo and details posted in my 'Car History' Facebook album. Every car in there has lots of likes and comments apart from the 911. The only people who have clicked like or commented are close family or shall we say the more affluent friends. I've never seen such a lack of comments. If I visit someone the Porsche is the subject that is never spoken about. Very strange. Even if I see someone in the street whilst I'm driving, they will come over and chat but never say 'Hows the new car' or anything. Some have asked how did I get the cash to buy it, and when you explain that it cost less than their new Ford, they don't believe you. Owning a Porsche certainly brings out the little man syndrome in people. It's got a lot worse, since I brought my wife a Boxster.

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I'm the exact opposite. My 996 is part of my personal professional brand. It's just about always spotless inside and out. I don't flaunt it but I don't hide it either. As a consultant I want my personal choices and appearance to be crisp and performance oriented. The 996 is task specific very focused not a catch all and just a little Kimmy Raikkonen ...I know what the **** I'm doing get out of the way car ... that for me sends that subliminal message.

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Totally agree. I used to have a shouty WRX STI (stock... But still obnoxious). Loved that car, but it was far from professional.

As I get older, my grandma's platitudes ring truer each day. If people are really (I mean, REALLY) your friends, they will find joy in your new Porsche, or whatever success you've achieved. If not, too bad for them. Wife & I treated ourselves w/ two new cars in past year - Benz roadster & 997.2 S for me. Both are "loud": Mars Red & GR. In our 'hood, MBs & P-cars are rare. Despite this, we've experienced no negativity. Friends know we scrimped & saved to pay for these new cars, and all congratulated us on our new rides. Long story, short - P-cars are great, enjoy the heck out of them & if other people have to be haters, too bad for them.

big ole trucks don't like our cars. most all young guys & girls really luv our cars. old folks stare and do not smile, walking or in traffic. people at the gas station always say "nice car" or "can I please borrow some money"...only happens in this car! the UPS guy will try & race u, along with every other ford exploder and Nissan. these cars will cost u business and a few peeps u thought were friends. these frekn cars are way fast and come w tickets. (all observations from a guy who has had many cars & trucks in his life, mostly used, and more bikes than he can remember) this is the most fabulous of them all and the Harley is very jealous, just like a lot of fecked up peeps out there. like a lot of you, it was my dream car. it is my dream car! and I know one day it is gona help pay for most of that brand new big *** truck I'm gona buy. but till then...

My 12 year old sons friends love my car. They sit in the passenger seat completely mesmorized by the handling, acceleration and noise. If I can pass on my love of cars to one or two of them I will be happy.

Neither of my teenage sons l(13 and 16) like it when I drop them off at school in it. If I was a kid, I would have loved it. They don't run with pretentious crowds, which I can appreciate, and the p-car still represents that image to most.

Well, I've had two screws put under my rear tires. Cost me a bundle to get them replaced. On both occasions, the screws were forced into the outer sidewall. I'm convinced it was some jerk who had envy.....or maybe they were just an a**hole!

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Nelly once said: "I'm rollin past his, his little Jag and Benz With the rolls, not the one with the stem, the one with the rims The one that seem to make more enemies than friends" That is my experience owning a P-Car. No complaints though, if someone can't be happy with my success than they can go else where

Got a nice note left on my car yesterday at work...."youre a f'n ahole. Next time you park here lll key your car" Dumbass didnt see the signs all over saying the parking lot is under video survellaince. Set it up to go over the tape on monday!

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but why would someone write the note in the first place? Keep us posted. 2002 Turbo - Basalt Black Metallic / 2003 Carrera 4S - Speed Yellow / 1955 356 Continental 1500 - Rust Red

image-400797561.jpg How about a little poison pen While parked at hotel in Ashvile NC

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Wow.. the only note I've gotten around here was a parking ticket.

At least the spelling is 100%. I can't even get my employees to differentiate 'your' and 'you're' in written communications.

Your kidding me! lol

Some people have really big issues. Thankfully, the dumb *** hippies in Asheville do not represent the rest of the state.

Got mine after the divorce. The neighbors felt sorry for me during the divorce (I'm personable and the ex didn't socialize at all). I wheel in the place in the 911 (which cost less than many F-150's) and I get the "blank face". Lol, I still wave and act the same. People are odd. TC ETA: I did see a bumper sticker about trucks once but don't have the ***** to display it. It said: "Love your truck. Sorry about your *****." Perfect!

I am envious of the guy who just bought. 918 Spyder in my town. Otherwise sitting next to the 991 at the red light and then watching his expression as my exhaust sounds off and I take off. Seeing his face in my rear view mirror is priceless.

I just tell people the truth.... "I wanted a new Scion FRS but I couldn't afford it so I bought this used Porsche." (2001 C4) Once they realize I am telling the truth the envy pretty much vanishes.

I even get a similar reaction when I'm on my bike!

I overheard my cousin telling his father in law " See, I told he he was a rich SOB."

The first car I owned was a 2009 volkswagen rabbit, cost me about 16 brand new. It was all I could afford at 18 after having worked only a year to save some down payment. Went to plenty of car meets and shows and the guys with the turbos and faster cars would always give me **** for it...after paying it off and saving patiently I figured now at 24 years old I would just skip a level or 5 and bought myself a 99 911...little do they know it cost me less overall than the rabbit so I generally do not care for for what people think, I embrace the boost in self esteem for following the dream (never brag though)

Like everyone else I worked my butt off and was able to buy the car of my dreams. I realized that the perception would rub most people the wrong way so I didn't advertise that I had bought it. I didn't upload on my Facebook page and I deff dont drive it to church. People are a funny bunch and tend to place emphasis on what others have done that they haven't and try to justify that to themselves.

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+996 and made sacrifices, by choice, to have the car of my dreams! So here I am, living that dream every day and really don't give a sh$t what anyone else thinks.

I hide in a separate parking area away from everybody and half the office knows I walk to work so they didn't make a big deal. I work with high-earning producers so there are a few new 997s and high-end MBZs that really shine.

Please post bigger picture of bike, I can't quite count your nose hairs.

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I had a meeting with my bosses boss a few weeks back and mentioned the car and that I was able to get it thanks to the job. She said something like "that's yours, we were wondering who we were paying that much too to afford that car." =) Can't wait to get my Rolex!

Heh - I just noticed that's a small-block V8 bike. That's pretty sweet.

The only envy I have is from Porsche itself....I purchased a new 2015 Cayenne S....and the manufacturer is so envious that unlike other manufacturer, has not even bothered after 3 months to even send a letter acknowledging the purchase. Needless to say...really enjoying driving the cayenne.

JD - Those exhaust pipes must keep your ankles nice and warm!

Yep, it happens. That's why I keep all mine at home, and have very few visitors.

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Jake had a 996 but it's engine blew up

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All you're missing is this and I'm sure you have the guns:

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Nope... My wife set 4 Land Soeed Records with it. Then I sold it, while it was still worth something.