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I have a '99 996, and installed the 997 stock shifter about 18 months ago.
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I also have the B & M SSK, which we installed about three years ago and after 20K miles, it is still working with out any issues.
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When purchased my 996, the shift was loose, so I installed the B&M Short Shifter and I have been happy with the results.
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This weekend I installed the B&M undercar SSK (45183.) B&M stopped making this kit a few years ago, but you can still find them new on ebay.
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I highly recommend the regular 997 shifter. Not expensive, ~20% reduction in throw so not as short as SSK but it tightens up ALL the sloppiness in the shifter mechanism. I had the 996 factory SSK (similar to the one in your photos in construction) but I didn't like the notchiness. Plenty of ppl will tell you otherwise though. It's a personal taste thing.
I installed one right after I got my 03, almost 3 years ago. It was quite a bit better than the stock 996 shifter but was notchy.
A few months ago I went with a 997 shifter, longer throws than the SSK but much smoother.
I have the SSK just sitting on the bench, already installed in the shifter housing. PM me if you are interested in it.
IMO, the standard 997 shifter is the best bang for the buck ... 100 bucks or so used on eBay. That said, I have a Numeric Racing shifter and think it is the best mod I've made in terms of improving the driving experience. No slop, no notch ones, just clean precise shifts every time.
According to the thread below the 997 shift will not work on a 1999 996 right. Please confirm.
The 996 Super Cup 1999 year also used the lever/rod system that the 993 had. Porsche changed to cable shift in 2000 for reason never disclosed (probably since the street cars had all cables at that time...although more maintenance, it was quieter. Does this conversion apply to 2004-2005 996 GT3, I haven't tried it.
I have a '99 996, and installed the 997 stock shifter about 18 months ago. It's a direct replacement, and fits without modification. Picked it up used on ebay for cheap. The 997 stock shifter is p/n 997-424-010-00.
I like it. It's not a significant upgrade from the 996 shifter IMO, but it has a reduced throw, and is nice and smooth.
Thanks for the update. Now let get to the bottom of what exactly is the difference between hardware. Has the Chinese cloned the 997 shifter. As far I can see its comprised of a shifter mechanism made out of metal and a couple of canisters or is there more to this? I know you get what you pay for. But on the other side of the coin the Germans are really sticking it to us with these prices. I prefer to pay $60.00 instead of 400:00 for a clone. Be nice.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Racing-Stron...984960&vxp=mtr
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Porsche-911-...063160&vxp=mtr
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Short-Throw-...25f87f&vxp=mtr
http://www.ebay.com/itm/short-shift-...621506&vxp=mtr
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Agency-AP-Bi...19c941&vxp=mtr
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2007-PORSCHE...1545d6&vxp=mtr
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Porsche-Shor...583f3a&vxp=mtr
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Porsche-997-...cf3ad2&vxp=mtr
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Porsche-911-...d30e42&vxp=mtr
http://www.ebay.com/itm/B-M-45135-Pr...2e0ba9&vxp=mtr
[QUOTE=mharrison;11672292]I have the B&M short shifter and have been pleased with it. It's not entirely inexpensive either though...[/QUOTE
Noted thanks.
That looks like direct knock-off of the B&M based on a quick look. I don't know though, maybe they ALL look pretty much the same.
B&M
Link to B&M info:
http://www.carid.com/2001-porsche-91...-11102640.html
If you're installing it yourself, for $60 the one on eBay is a pretty cheap gamble to find out if you like it!
Well, I happened upon an auction that no one else was bidding on, so I picked it up for $30. Just lucky I guess. I wouldn't expect to find that deal again. Best part: It turns out the guy works about a mile from me. Picked it up and didn't even have to pay shipping.
I'm not sure about that one exactly but I'm sure the generic ones are all the same. I had it briefly on my car and I also had a B&M on my car previously. Couldn't tell them apart and worked the same. FWIW, I went through 4 shifters already but I tend to do that alot.
Don't over think this.
Bottom line: If you want short and don't mind notchy feeling and a bit of extra shift effort, get B&M if you have extra cash or get ebay if you don't.
If you want buttery smooth and willing to sacrifice a bit of throw, get regular stock 997 shifter. If you want in between, get 997 SSK. If you want more precise feel, get 997 SSK GT3 2010.
Opinions are like @ssholes especially on subjective things like color, feel, sound, comfort, etc.
Because of this I tend to try things out numerous times for myself. Not financially smart all the time but at least I know what works and what doesn't for me and what opinions are far off the mark in relation to my characteristics.
Fwiw, I'm on my fifth exhaust, 3rd suspension, 4th rim/tire combo, 3rd engine mount, 3rd seat. I'm sure I'm forgetting a couple things.
I've had 997.2 stock, 997.2 oem ssk, 997.1 on gt3 (same as 997.1 carreras) and 996 gt3 cup. By far the best feel is the 996 cup shifter. Similar to 997.2 gt3rs shifter.
I personally wouldn't buy a cheap clone. If the linkage breaks you are SOL driving the car.
That's cool. I'm 100% in agreement on trying things out until you find one you like. It's just that you had me wondering if these things wore out like tires or what!
What linkage is this that you speak of? The parts that would most likely break first are on the OEM assembly since its made mostly of plastic.
Also to truly get the cup car shifters working 100% like they were intended, part of that magic comes from the cup car shift cables, which are different from street cables.
Let me get this straight. If I buy the Nirvana shaft she would be totally satisfied. I don't need any stinking PUP cables right? Just what comes with the part 2010 997 GT3 shifter (997.424.010.91). For that price it better vibrate!
Perfect summary...
I'll add if you want the highest quality, most adjustable, professional racing quality shifter and don't mind paying for it, get the Numeric Racing shifter. About $700.
PS... I have a used but perfect condition 997 SSK shifter I keep meaning to put up for sale if anybody is looking for one.
Not to hijack, but this is the one I have been meaning to put up in the classifieds... I'll post it up here first.
Porsche OEM 997 Short Shift Kit, lightly used
Porsche part 997.424.983.00
Includes alignment tool, 000.721.961.90
$350 shipped CONUS.[List $505, Suncoast price is $430 + shipping]
Suncoast Description:
Porsche Short Shift Kit
Genuine Porsche Part
For fast, sporty gear shifting: the factory short shift kit reduces shift paths up to 35% on 996/986 (1997-2004) models and up to 20% on 997/987 (2005-12) models. That means more precise shifting thanks to perfect shift guidance and a sportier driving experience. Compatible with any factory shift ****.
Comes with the new console shift mechanism, shift **** is not included.
Fits the following models:
Boxster (all versions) 1997-12
Carrera (all versions) 1999-12
Cayman (all versions) 2006-12
I agree with the Numeric comment and someone should buy pfbz if they're looking for a ssk. Not too many of the 997 ssk's pop up on the used market. Also direct plug and play with no cutting or modification involved compared to ebay/B&M for those that wanna stay OEM and want the easiest install. This is the one I currently have.
+1 on the Numeric shifter. I upgraded to one last year and love it. Shift length at the medium setting is perfect (for me) and it has an extremely precise "bolt-action" feel.
I decided on a 997 OEM shifter. The hunt is on. Are they all the same through out the years? I guess that a new one is better than a used wored out unit.
I replaced the standard 996 shifter mechanism with a cheap one I bought on eBay. I love it, it has a shorter shift, smoother and more precise. I only did this after trying a friends 997 SS. My old was really bad compared to my new, and the 997 short shifter is incredible. Just love it. Would thoroughly recommend both.
Is this the B&M clone that you got on ebay. I heard that both great but notchy and much effort to shift. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Please provided the pros and cons. I would like hear your input the ebay one you bought.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Porsche-911-...063160&vxp=mtr
I'm really surprised that this thread has gotten this long considering there are many other threads on this very same topic that can answer your question. How many pages do you need before you can make a decision?
Just installed the 997 OEM shifter... Just what the doctor ordered.
Alpine is what you'd call a scientist... Not afraid to put his ideas to test. Not a bad quality when it's comes to questions like this.
Worst case scenario, you buy a shifter, try it, if you don't like it, buy another and sell the first one! You'll get your money back!
Good luck finding the option that suits you best!!
M
OK folks,
I'm about to pull the trigger on the 997 OEM shifter. Just to confirm. The one below describe on this URL is the savior of all sloppiness, shifts like butter with no notchiness and is a bit shorter shifting?
http://www.suncoastparts.com/product//997SCU.html
OMG!!! Yes, that's it. Buy it, install it, then write your review of it. Though you should just use it for shifting the trans. DANGER: DO NOT MOLEST THE SHIFTER!!
KK, I'm waiting on the delivery of a 997SSK, so obviously jrosa55 needs to change his mind and be like me. I'll be sure to send you a PM as soon as I have it installed with initial thoughts!
JK jrosa55 - I had a hard time choosing myself. Maybe we should trade in a couple months and then see which we really prefer!
"bit shorter" is very subjective. Generally people used to driving cars with short shifters most of their lives still think the throws are long in the regular 997 shifter and end up changing it later. If you haven't drivin with short shifters, you may be ok with it.
Also if you cruise more and you're not aggressive driver or go to track events, you'll probably be ok with it too.
What What, I don't trade shafts with no one. They might like it and then I get stuck with the short end of the stick. I mean a shorty, notchy and more thrust needed to accomplish the same task at hand. At my age I might break a hip, I mean my wrist. Plus I plan to modify it so it will vibrate at 7000 RPM and a coil so when I turn the heater on it warm my stick shifter.
LMAO! LMAO! I will keep my insanity in check on all other threads besides on my "I love my car" responses. All bets are off on that one. I don't take my meds on purpose when I write there.
Hey, question once I get my new stick do I have to lubricated it?
You know what mean silly. I'm talking about the plastic pieces were the shaft goes into or just stick it in there in the raw with no jelly or grease. Please curtail yourself from a double sense response to my line of questioning. As you're aware there is a member of the opposite sex following this thread that could be easily offended by your CAVERNICOLOUS remarks.
This thread has been old since page 1. This is lost bandwidth as it's been covered many many times in various other threads. But it seems like JRosa wants Concierge service here...
Alpine, from the bottom of our hearts and minds we do appreciate the effort and time that you and others provide to this and maybe other forums to the Porsche enthusiast community. You're a fountain of knowledge in immeasurable. Your insight into the innards of sometimes described as the infamous timebomb chariot of the elite is invaluable. You guys could be describe as a one stop shop for instant bottom line evaluation. BUT, on the other side of the coin, you also portray yourself as the law and as you know the law was made to be broken even with disastrous results. You break it down according to your personal evaluation. But I like to hear it from others members. Maybe from the time you tested this products the manufacturing process was enhanced. I'm looking for a fresh point of view, a group, driving habits and recent experiencing depending on the situation at hand. From the chatter of other individuals on these thread you find out their own opinions. Sometimes if you are lucky someone might say hey, I'm also from Chitown and just installed a shorty we can meet so you can drive and gather your own opinion. I'm also bringing my friend Maylin she has the OEM 997 shifter you can also have taste of her setup. See, is just enthusiast chatter. Mind you that I'm a newbie in the process of development. At times someone might want to sell their used shifter and save some cash. It's just noise. Please be patient. Now my sincere apologize. We know you mean well. Now is you feel bored and want to lose your mind come back I'm sometimes funny and borderline insane. Sorry what! Hold on the wife is nagging again. Leave me alone I'm talking to the P forum. Ok I won't tell you that your air compressor just arrived via UPS. I got to go bye! Me So, Me So Sorry. Me So Me So Sorry for long long time to you and 5CHN3LL.
I also have the B & M SSK, which we installed about three years ago and after 20K miles, it is still working with out any issues. A bit pricy but worth the price of admission
5CH, Hilarious you are good thing that the force is always with you "Human Spell Checker" you. I wonder how many languages you speak correctly. OK, Bro time for your annual test. You are way overdue. Take it light at the end we all is good up in here. You button pusher you.
Skin ***** Allergy Test - YouTube
Are you going to install it yourself? If so! I would be more than happy to shipped you my new OEM 997 shifter once it arrives so you can compare and provide a full evaluation of both products. What do you say sport?
Hey, you're local. I'm in Hanover Park. I was going to suggest a meeting so I can a get a feel for your shifter. That didn't sound right. I just lost some valuable man points. I meant your vehicle shifting mechanism. lol
-10 man points...and -50 for knowing you were losing points but posting to get a laugh and hoping to not lose points. And -50 points just because. Ohhh the shame.
Ps that was funny
I just installed the Porsche OEM SSK in a 1999 C2. Improvement over stock but very notchy. I'm in the west burbs. Also installed a new sport clutch and flywheel. Quite a different feel overall, but I'm liking it and look forward to getting it to the track.
This weekend I installed the B&M undercar SSK (45183.) B&M stopped making this kit a few years ago, but you can still find them new on ebay. According to old RL threads, this kit sold for $175 when it first came out. I got mine for $10 from Titan Motorsports including free 2-day shipping! I figured for $10 I didn't have a lot to lose (other than my time.) This kit effectively shortens the lever on the transmission used to select between the odd and even numbered gears, or the front to back motion of the stick. Side to side motion is not affected. You can adjust it to shorten throws either 15% or 30%. I set it to 30%, and like the way it feels. Took me a couple hours to install taking my time and dealing with a minor fitment issue. One downside it that my occasionally balking 2nd gear is more balky now. I've found that I need to consciously select 2nd with more force to prevent the issue. All other gear selections are fine. I believe this is due to the lever contacting the new bracket, which is slightly larger than the stock bracket, at the end of the throw to 2nd. I'm thinking of getting under the car and grinding down the bracket a bit where it is making contact to see if that helps. If anyone is thinking about going this route, I'd be happy to answer any questions about my experience.
Bill
04 C4S
Previous ride: 93 RX7 (sold)
Bill,
Do a search for 2nd gear detent on this forum. There is a potential fix made by Gbox that may solve your problem. I had similar symptoms and it worked for me. And it is pretty cheap.
How hard is it to install the 997 OEM shifter into a 996? I saw the B&M instructions, and it seems like a pain... is it, or are the instructions just so detailed that it looks like an all day project?
~ 3 hours if you've never worked on cars before and/or trying to be super careful.
~1-1.5 hours if you're semi-experienced on working on cars.
My fastest was 15min but I've done a few before.
I thought the hardest part of the job was removing the center console without scratching it. Once that was done, it was a simple job... Mark the shifter cable positions with a sharpie, remove a few bolts, and the shifter is out. Install a few bolts, line up the shifter cables, and you are done.
Except for re-installing the center console.
Aldo <[email removed]>
11:15 AM (2 hours ago)
to me
Here you go, let me know if you have any other questions.
Solid motor mounts
http://www.suncoastparts.com/product...y_Code=996Mech
Short shifter
http://www.suncoastparts.com/product...e=996EXHAUST34
997 Shift Console – Improvement over your stock shifter, smoother shifts, minimally reduced shift throw. Very popular upgrade, my customers are usually satisfied with the upgrade and they notice a difference.
997 GT3 Shift Console – same as the above version, but some bearings are replaced with aluminum, ideal for track use.
997 SSK – Same fitment and assembly frame as above, but with new upgraded shift mechanism. This is a newer design, it is completely different than a B&M version. This has to be the best and most reliable version on the market.
That is a bit of a stretch. I'm pretty sure that the Numeric shifter is better than the 997 SSK in every way except the price. I've tried both and the Numeric shifter has a noticeably more precise feel and the shift height is adjustable.
Friday, I test drove a 2004 Turbo just to get it out of my system. I was disappointed with the results. First the shifter was way to loose and long throws. The movement was like butter compare to mine. This morning I tested my shifter and compared it to the 997. Mine has slight notchiness in 2nd and 4th gears. The throw is way shorter than the 997. I think the previous owner installed a SSK of some type. I'll have to open her up and look. Another observation was the clutch differences between my and the 997. My clutch is way harder and when I let it go to early the car jerks and thrust forward. The 997 was like a wimpy feeling also like butter but no thrusting if I let it out to quickly. I must have a better quality clutch and flywheel. Now on performance the Turbo is way faster. I didn't notice to much turbo lag. One thing that I didn't like was that if I go to 7k RPM's on the turbo it would hit the RPM limiter and kill my mood. On my mine I hit 7k shift gears and catapult like a bat out of hell. No rev limiter. I love my car.
What??? So someone installed a 997 shifter in the 2004 TT? You realize a 2004 is still a 996 and not a 997? Your last post has really confused the issue. Where did you find the 2004 TT 997 model? Super rare car, bruh!
My bad. OK that makes sense. So I must have a SSK somehow because on mine the throw is much shorter and tighter than the 996. It felt like I was driving a VW. It felt like butter just as the clutch.
If your 996 does not have a rev limiter, you have a problem (or maybe I misinterpreted what you wrote).
As far as the clutch goes - a nice, incremental engagement is generally a good thing - it's easier to modulate the clutch, and slamming the power on and off is a lot harder on the drivetrain.
On the plus side - it sounds like you like your car more than the one you test drove - so congrats. That's a much better feeling than, "Damn, I should have bought THIS car instead."
You're correct. But that 2004 turbo does have a rev limiter or at least it acted like one. It would bog down at 7K RPM. On mine it doesn't.
http://www.lawautogroup.com/web/inve.../All_vehicles/
I think I posted this before but here goes just in case.
If you want the best feel in a shifter get the 2010+ GT3 solid bushing shifter with metal bushings. Feels like a rifle bolt. Other than that maybe a Numatic would be next step up. The aftermarket SSK like B&M and others feel like crap IMHO.
LMAO! I didn't have anything else to compare it to until I test drove another 911. Silly me. Oh well these dam newbies should know better than to open their mouths. I can wait to become an ex newbie. My next kid will be name shorty. How's that for punishment. Forgiveness is a huge word if you apply it from the bottom of your heart. Otherwise it will eat a hole in your heart and it will bleed for ever and ever. Like IMS from your soul. RMS from your nose. AOS from your a**. What else can I talk about my car doesn't have any problems besides an errant intermittent ghostly windshield wiper flapping about with a mind of its own. I know Elliot is messing with me. Otherwise reading about all the problems these cars have. Boring!I prefer to talk about the great things they do as a sports cars. For example how they hug the road. How it feels like a real pocket rocket. How people are glad to see one on the road. I love my car.
It's all good man. Everyone one here has started out in the same way. We are all here to learn and share.
Just don't write 6 pages about IXX to find out that you had a loose exhaust bolt or something like that. LOL
Since your car obviously has cosmetic mods and now you found a shifter mod, I would do a thorough inspection for other mods including the engine. You may have the sleeve/over bore mod which may explain you smoking the boss's C4S.
May I suggest you drop the engine/trans and see what else you have installed?
I'm not sure if this was addressed in an earlier thread, but given the length of this thread and that it's relatively new, I figure that anyone who seaches the forum for threads about shifters will read through all 7 or more pages; and given that so much helpful info is already in this thread, maybe it's appropriate to add three questions that may help with people's choices.
First, many aftermarket SSKs make the shift lever shorter (a strange thing to do with a supposedly sport-oriented product when in race cars the lever is, if anything, made longer). Do any of the Porsche kits do the same? And if so, anyone know how they compare in this regard?
Second, based on what I've read in the preceding pages, I understand the advantages and disadvantages of the regular 997 kit vs the 997 SSK. But what about the GT3 kit? As far as I can tell, it's key characteristic is that it's precise. Which sounds good. Any disadvantages, other than the price? (I saw on Suncoast's site that it's identical to the regular 997 shifter, except that the bearings are aluminum instead of plastic. So I understand it being more precise, but I'd fear it being more notchy.)
Third, there are various reasons to want a SSK. Mine is to minimize missed shifts. I'd suppose the most precise kit is therefore best, but the more general question is, how do the 3 Porsche kits compare in this regard?
Thanks everyone for all the helpful info above, and thanks in advance for any additional helpful info below!
The only downside to the 997.2 GT3 shifter is a marginally higher price when compared to the 997 SSK. Shift throws are slightly reduced but the lever height is nearly stock, which I prefer. Greatly reduced effort, very precise rifle bolt type feel. None of the high effort gritty feel that even the OEM SSK can get over time. Having had both I would never bother with the SSK or aftermarket kit. I've never understood the appeal of a stubby little lever that makes shifting more difficult.
Thanks, that's very helpful!
To make sure there's no confusion about one thing, people often refer to the 2010 997 GT3 shifter, or the 997.2 GT3 shifter, which I presume is the same. So there's no 997.1 GT3 shifter for sale new? If one finds a 997 GT3 shifter, it's sure to be the right one?
When purchased my 996, the shift was loose, so I installed the B&M Short Shifter and I have been happy with the results. However, it is beginning to feel a little sloppy, and I think I am ready for a new one so I am glad for this thread
Ok, I'm a bit confused. ECStuning said "This shifter features over a 26% reduction in shift throw over standard 986/996 shifters"
Is that accurate? If so, a stock 997 shifter also reduces the throw by about that much compared to 996 stock shifter. So the difference between this shifter and a stock 997 shifter is just the metal bushings?
Yea, that's also my understanding. If you look at the ECStuning photo, it looks like the middle one in post #8 here, which is not "SSK". Maybe the ECStuning description is off.
https://rennlist.com/forums/996-foru...ml#post8137281
The GT3 shifter is not very short. I know it's not any shorter of a throw than the 997 SSK. It is exceptionally smooth and precise, even compared to the 997 SSK. If you want super short shifts (with high effort) don't get the GT3 shifter.
I believe mine had new cables, but they were standard 997 spec. Every piece of plastic removed from the system is a bonus, they start to loosen up pretty quickly. Loose and brittle plastic connectors don't make for precise shifting.
This thread is great--even if it doesn't seem to want to die. So, I'm going to put the 2010 997 GT3 shifter in my 1999 996 C2. It sounds like upgrading my cables (15 years old) would be smart. I have full access to the underside of the car with motor and trans out. I am not looking for the cup cables--noise. Just a good street/trackable experience.
If I look to pelican for a sense of parts, they list 2010 997 shift cable ball sockets at about $21 each for left and right. They are at the shifter box end. Is that all that's required and the right ones? (meaning the 997 ones and the other end, then, is fine since that's metal on metal it seems when I popped them off.)
Anyway, another newbie trying to get this right. I don't mind eye rolling and all that--I searched and just didn't see this.
Tom
I am offering a 997 turbo stock shifter that came out of a car with 28K miles for sale....$130 shipped to the US.
I bought it, but then I bought Diablo's short shifter kit and won't need it, never installed it.
Most people replace the entire cable. They can get dirty and corroded inside the sheath which increases the resistance. If you have the motor and transmission out it should be super easy.
Thanks. So, looking at cables, the standard 997 cable (99742404101) which would mate with the 997.2 GT3 shifter box is showing up on
Sunset at $165
,
AutoAtlanta at $231
, and
ECS tuning at $289
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First question--this cable is a direct fit with a 996, right? Ahsai, I think you've done this.
Second--isn't it a little weird that ECS tuning--with the lowest price on the shifter ($414 versus Sunset of $421) is so far out of range on the cable. What do you suppose is going on. I called ECS tuning to ask if it was miss-priced and Phil said, no--everything I see is that it's right.
Thanks,
Tom
Tom, I'm not sure why the price was out of whack, but it was. I have since updated the the pricing to reflect the current price. Sometimes Porsche changes and we don't know about it.
Click Here
to see the new price
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No, I haven't replaced my shift cables as mine are still in good shape. My shifter, cables, and transmission are all extremely smooth with virtually no free-play.
OK, so I update my 996 cables and can then attach the 997.2 GT3 shifter to them. The 996 cables are $340--or about $180 MORE. I guess that's how it goes...most pricing surprises go backwards.
Thanks,
Tom
I don't know if the 997 cable will fit. ECS tuning tech was uncertain. And as you note, the transmission end of the new 997 cable looks like it's plastic. I'm inclined to just replace the shifter at that price and see how it goes.
What I don't how hard the cable is to replace with the motor/transmission in place. I will check it out later. I suppose if it's terrible I will think twice.
Tom
Gotcha, yeah I'm still bitter about the 3rd radiator kit as an example...
$180 complete OEM kit for 997 vs. $670 complete OEM kit for 996. Practically similiar parts.
Resurrecting this thread if you don't mind. I decided to replace the shifter cables in addition to the shifter box since things are so out in the open with motor and trans out. I have the console off and the shifter removed. Also the parking brake handle to give me clear access to the cables. So what holds them in anyway---when I look and/or tug a bit, I don't see anything or feel them budge. Can't find a shematic that gives me comfort on what to do here...
How do they come out? Probably a really simple miss on my part, but I'm stumped.
Thanks, Tom
the shifter cables at the shifter simply snap into the shifter assembly housing at the back end (near the e-brake handle)
remove the top pins (gold colored metal clip) then squeeze the sides at the back end of the shifter assembly where the cables enter the shifter and lift the cables out
there are lots of threads and how to's on replacing the shifter that also mention this part - many here on rennlist
- with a photo guide - just search them out
Also, remember to mark the cable positions where they attach to the shifter rods, you have to put them back in relatively the same spots
Hi all--got this from Ahsai.
https://rennlist.com/forums/997-foru...placement.html
I'm replacing cables front to back...the hard part is through the body from the shifter back to the transmission. More steps than I had been hoping for...but great to have the photo steps (OK, it's a 997, but should get me there)
Thank you insomnic...I'll sleep better knowing what it takes and less well knowing what it takes. OK, bad joke.
Tom
Turns out to be a breeze to replace the cables from bracket to trans. Nice photos and commentary. The 997 and 996 are identical to install. I used silicone spray to help slide out the old plug and slide in the new one. Using a pick to pull out the edges and squirt the lube in. I won't do the adjustment until motor/trans back in, but the bracket came with the adjustment centering brace which holds the shifter dead center--and the link shows where to set the transmission levers, so it should be pretty straightforward. Thanks again insomnic. Tom
Anyone know of a good solution for raising the shift **** / making the shift lever longer (if one wants to use the Porsche shifter and not the rather expensive numeric shifter which doesn't really fit aesthetically in a street car)?
When replacing my shifter, one thing I'd like to achieve is to reduce the distance I need to reach for 3rd and 5th gear. Unfortunately, the SSK apparently signifiantly shortens the lever, so while I would not have to reach as far forward, I would have to reach lower - all in all, I might have to reach out more.
I searched a bit, including here. Rennline makes a height adjustible aluminum ****, but a common complaint is that it gets burning hot in the sun, which is a deal killer for me.
I also found this company:
http://www.twmshiftknobs.com/
They have a height adjustable Delrin ****. I haven't yet found out how the max height compares to the stock shifter - I'd want to be sure the entire adjustment range isn't lower. They also have some levers that are clearly taller, but without a **** at the end. Not sure I want that. And since the stock **** and boot are one piece, I'm wondering how to replace the boot if I go with any of these products.
Anyone familiar with the above, or know of other good solutions?
Does anyone know if the 997 SSK shortens the shift motion simply by shortening the lever, or is there some other geometry change?
(I'm wondering wether if one could put a stock height lever on the SSK kit, the resulting shift motion would be any shorter than with the stock kit.)
IIRC when I installed mine years ago, the shifter height didn't change from my stock shifter, so it must be a geometry change. The higher required effort is certainly there. But well worth it...
I'm completely with you on raising the shifter closer to the steering wheel! There are a couple routes you can go here...
1. I offer the
Console Riser Kit
, which raises the entire center console and shifter assembly 2 inches to bring the shifter closer to the steering wheel. Because the entire shifter assembly is being raised up, the shift throw remains unchanged.
2. The
Slotted Shift ****
is height adjustable and can mount up to 1" higher than stock. It is aluminum, and it will get hot/cold in extreme weather conditions, but the slots shed heat away quickly so that the **** temp stabilizes with ambient much quicker than an aluminum **** that's solid all the way through.
3. Some of the Porsche OEM shift ***** (such as the weighted turbo ****) utilize a single set screw to fasten the **** onto the shifter, so you could raise those ***** to your liking. This generally only works in tandem with a short shift kit, however, as the shift throw on a stock 996 is very long to begin with, and raising the shift **** alone would only exacerbate that.
4. I'm also very close to completing designs on a new shift **** (Classic Shift ****) which I'll offer in a Delrin version. Like the Slotted Shift ****, this is designed from the ground up specifically for Porsches, and isn't a universal ****. In standard form, it could be mounted as high as 5/8" higher than stock. But if there's enough demand, I will consider offering an alternative that would allow for mounting the **** up to 2 inches higher, by way of extending the length of the shaft by 1.5".
Attached photo is a basic rendering of the Classic Shift ****:
I'm not sure what you mean about the Numeric shifter not fitting aesthetically. It replaces the stock shifter and gets completely covered by the shift boot which makes it invisible. Although I personally think it is a work of art and should ideally be left open
I've had one for just over a year and I still think it is worth the extra $. Shifting now feels mechanical and precise.
Were you thinking of the CAE shifter (which is considerably more expensive and doesn't fit under the stock shift boot)?
No, I was thinking Numeric. After googling some (many) images and visiting the numeric site, I assumed it could only be mounted exposed. How does it work, covering it with the boot? I assume it just barely covers the mechanism, and most of the bare metal lever is outside the boot, no? (That would be a lot closer to a stock look, whcih is my preference, but it still definitely wouldn't be a stock look ... .)
A Delrin version which helped add 2 inches could be a good solution for me. (It would be a plus if it had a shift pattern and/or Porsche crest - probably engraved in.) Please keep us posted about that - thanks!
The Numeric shifter is a direct replacement for the original shifter mechanism. It re-uses the original shift **** and boot and fits without any other modification. It is completely hidden once installed.
The stock shift **** mounts to the shaft exactly like stock shifter.
It has 3 different positions for shifting but most use the middle one. But I think the height is similar to the OE and it isn't adjustable.
I finally got around to calling TWM. Their Delrin **** is rather short, and probably wouldn't increase the height at all. They offer a part Delrin **** called the Specter which might add almost 2 inches, but it weighs 300 or 400 gramms, so not perfect. They also have a 600 gramm **** which would add even more height, but that's definitely not what I want. However, as I mentioned above, they have a simple lever called the competition series in 4 and 7 inch versions with a fair amount of height adjustability. That seems the best bet for me so far, among products available today, though I'm hoping function first will come out with their product soon.
There has been some interest from several Porsche owners for a shift **** that would raise their **** height by 2 inches over stock. I'll be offering this iteration (rendered image attached) of the Classic Shift **** with extended base shaft, which will raise the shift **** btwn 1.5" and 2" above stock height. The **** screws onto the base shaft, allowing for multiple color combinations (ie. silver base with black ****), as well as the option for a Delrin **** on the aluminum base.
This will be ready for sale, along with the shorter Classic Shift **** (referenced a few posts above), by mid-May. Any questions, please feel free to reach out!
As far as I can tell from the discussion so far, many/most of us have shift ***** that can be detached from the shift boot and the lever. Mine, however, cannot. The **** is part covered with leather in the same way that the dashboard is covered in leather (glued, I suppose), and this leather is a continuation of the boot. (No clue yet whether the ****/boot combination can be unscrewed from a lever hidden beneith it.) Is this unusual? (My car is a 2002 996.)
And unusual or not, anyone know whether my ****/boot combination will work with any/all of the Porsche 997 shift kits? Or will I need to purchase a new ****, boot, and/or lever?
Or looking at it another way, if I buy an aftermarket **** to raise the height of the shifter, I'll need a boot. Does one come with any/all of the Porsche shift kits?
Thanks!
When I did my shifter the same ****/boot configuration as what you have. it comes off. I had to put old shifter assy on the floor put both feet on shift console and both hands around **** and pull straight up. it came off without me getting whacked in the head but it took some umph.
You can either cut the leather apart from the **** area or if you wanna preserve the original piece, you can separate out the leather from the horseshoe retaining frame. There are tabs underneath where you can easily remove the factory boot. Bring the boot and piece of leather to an upholsterer with a good sewing machine and they should be able to make you one pretty easily. Mine cost me $15 in labor as I brought in an old scrap piece of leather. Or you can buy one of the aftermarket ready made ones on ebay.
Sounds like a good solution for the boot itself - I was thinking the same.
So I can use the existing shift lever or one that comes with the 997 shift kit?
Thanks!
I understand the shift motion with the 997 GT3 shofter is just a bit shorter than with the 996 stock shifter. Anyone know if with the 997 GT3 shifter in a 996, the shift lever still leans forwards (towards the front of the car) when in 5th gear? Or is it vertical, or even leaning back (towards the engine)?
(My main motivation for getting a shift kit is so I don't have to reach so far to shift. I know the short shift kit would help, but if the GT3 shifter is good enough, that's my preference. And if it doesn't lean forward, and I put a taller shift **** on it, then it's good enough.)
Thanks for any insight into this!
I had a chance to try the shifter in a friends 997 Boxster Spyder, which I'm guessing is the same as the 997 short shifter discussed in this thread. I noticed that when the car is in 1st or 3rd or 5th gear, the shift lever is angled quite far forward. So it seems that in order to make the shift motion shorter, Porsche just (or mainly?) shortened the lever. (The other way to shorten the shift motion is to raise the fulcrum point, which they apparently didn't do (much?).)
So given my goal of making it easier to reach 3rd and 5th gear, this is not the solution.
But am I right that this is the same as the 997 short shifter?
