I might buy one

I might buy a 996 as a daily drive. Would be looking at a naturally aspirated car with a manual and 50-60k miles. Coming out of a 335i six-speed. This would be a daily driver car that I intend to take care of very well but use as it's meant to be used. Is my engine going to blow up? I've already owned a nightmare Porsche, a 928 Euro, and I regret that deeply. Though I am mechanically inclined... (I own as well an E-Type Jag and have done extensive mechanical work on it.) I really want a relatively reliable car. All these posts about engine failures really worry me. The IMS and rear main, not so much.. easy job to swap. How else do these engines fail? Why are really nice cars available for $20000? Why is no one collecting them? What is the real failure rate minus the "I own a 996 and love it" bias? Shoot it straight to me. I need a reliable daily driver - a relatively original low mile car that I can buy and do a half a dozen or so small fixes and drive for 5 years with little worry. Is this the car for me? Or should I go away? I want a car that's quick but not fast, attractive but not too flashy, nice but modest. I take spirited weekend drives. These seem like neat cars but get a bad wrap and I want to hear from the owners on what they think. Thanks.

That's a difficult set of questions to answer. You won't find a definitive answer here. You will get lots of responses from people who own, drive and love these cars (the "I own a 996 and love it bias"). You'll get a few responses from those who have blown their engine, due to failure of the IMSB or otherwise. There is a great deal of information out there on this site and others on the risks and rewards of buying a used 996. As a prospective buyer all you can do is read it all to learn as much as you can and then decide if your tolerance for risk will allow you to buy and enjoy one of these cars. There are things you can do to mitigate your risk if you purchase a used 996, but you can never eliminate it. The newest 996 is about to turn 10 years old. Any car of that age will have some risk and some potential issues. Things break. Things wear out. Things get old. You will never find anybody who can tell you with any degree of certainty that your used 996 will or will not be reliable. Your engine might blow up, and it might run flawlessly for another 10 years. Only you can decide if this is the right car for you and your specific needs. Many people (me included) went into the purchase of a 996 with their eyes wide open to the risks, and ended up having a very enjoyable ownership experience.

Will this be your only car? I think this car can certainly be used as a daily driver, but not sure I would recommend it as a single car that must be relied on every day no matter what. That could be setting yourself up for failure.

I drove mine like that for more than 5 years and it never left me stranded.

Mine is a daily driver. I figure I have the same problems as any other 13 year old DD. Nothing major, just odds and ends. I do have a Chevy Blazer I can drive if I MUST, but the only time I've done that was while waiting for my new water pump to ship after mine failed. Since I do most of my own repairs, it's nice having a spare car. I don't think it would be an issue if you didn't have to wait for parts, or the spare time on the weekend.

If your mechanically inclined that's great. Some of the issues are overstated, some are understated. Most are based on some type of fact. A very detailed PPI is recommended. You may want to carefully read some of the expert opinions by people like Jake Raby instead of the "I love my car so much Im blinded to facts" crowd. The 996 NA can be a great car in the right hands and circumstance. The downside to it being your DD or only vehicle is that many parts are expensive, may not be available locally, and SOME issues cannot be addressed after you get home from work and you need the car repaired before morning.

If you have the same thoughts as KK and subscribe to his PM(preventative maintenance) regimen, then this car will take up all your time and make you bankrupt. If on the other hand, you learn to ignore all this fear mongering and BS that exists here, it could be one of the best values in sports cars you've ever had. Just as a positive reference(which we don't see too much of on these forums as it's mainly the people with issues that come here), my car has around 125k miles with original IMS, original motor, mobil1 oil used. I've owned it for over 4 years now with only oil changes, new spark plug/coils. Everything else was considered a mod or enhancement on my own part.

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Overall I think the general consensus is the 996 is quite reliable, with some notable potential problem areas. The two most infamously problematic, the IMSB and RMS, you've already reduced to "not so much...easy job to swap." In my unofficial conversations with shops (both indi and authorized) plus friends at Porsche, the overall stats are under 10% (between 5% and 8%) for catastrophic failure due to IMSB or RMS - RMS not usually leading to catastrophic failure if I understand the bigger picture correctly. 5-8% for a specific problem area is higher than I like - acceptable for complex machines OVERALL - I'm still comfortable with the odds, given recent (within 50k) addressing of IMSB weakness and RMS issues and the engine / underbody is dry. AOS and expansion tank / cooling system are other known problem areas, and it seems conventional wisdom expects cats to die at around 80k miles more or less. Window regulators and microswitches too... If these known "problem areas" don't scare you off - and why should they, you own and work on your own E-Type! - the 996 is probably MORE reliable than most same age / same period choices. I know I personally have come to love the "lively" chassis / suspension and fairly low level electro-nannies...(I started out hating it, too soft and wallowly, but I was coming from a 997.2 GT3RS and EVERYTHING feels soft and wallowly after that) and the ROW 030 suspension really really found that sweep spot between daily street and occasional track / canyon carving.

Some might call this biased because I do like my cars yet I am an owner who has logged over 60k miles on my 2004 C2 and 25k miles on my C4S. The C2 has been my daily driver for seven years - didn't intend it to be a DD when I purchased it in 2007 with 23k miles on it but in my opinion it is a drivers car and it does best when it is driven. The car has never left me stranded, I've taken multiple long distance road trips and drove it 60 miles round trip to work at least five days a week for 5 solid years. Hot weather, cold weather, snow and ice (with proper winter tires). I use it to take the kid to school, go grocery shopping, etc. I have always maintained it properly and had even the most minor issues addressed immediately. Small things like micro switch that controls the slight window drop upon door opening and closing, sunroof motor (sunroof never failed to work, just the auto close/open feature) frunk release solenoid (intermittent issue). I also had the LN IMSB replaced at 75k miles. I've done most of the other recommended prophylactic service like water pump and AOS. I only DIY the simple stuff like oil changes and brakes but sounds like you could handle a broad range of mechanical tasks. Parts do cost, especially if you stick with OEM equipment as I do. Remember that the parts cost is still in line with a $100k car. Although I hear about the sub $20k cars, I won't agree that you will find a good example that has been cared for well enough to hedge your bets that you will have a relatively trouble free future with the car. To provide both the good and the bad, the C4S is a different story. Bought it in 2011 with 23k miles on the clock and lost an engine at 37k miles. The car was very obviously not a DD and had only been driven 1100 miles in the year prior to my purchase. The car was show room clean; in, out, top and bottom. Passed a PPI and had good maintenance records. Porsche gave me a reman engine as part of their goodwill policy so in the end I feel very fortunate. Best of luck with whatever you decide.

To answer a few questions. It will not be my only car. I have an S2000, an E-Type as I mentioned as personal cars, and access to use a Ranger pickup whenever I want. The IMS, RMS certainly don't scare me. I do work on my own E-Type. I did the trans and clutch on that, and a front-end engine refresh. No problem. Took my time. I really am not up for buying a $20-25k car and screwing up the engine. Guess I'll never know though. I guess it's the price of entry. I guess that my question - specifically - now that I'm reading some of this... are these engines very prone to failure past the IMS and RMS weaknesses? (which in my opinion are easy fixes) I hear that Porsche no longer offers crate engines for these cars and the castings are NLA... That is a bit scary... then again, maybe arguably irrelevant if the IMS RMS fixes, along with driving it properly and doing good preventive maintenance. Thanks for your help. This place seems just as friendly as the 928 forum, which, despite the piece of crap car I had, was an amazing place.

Well, despite Cuda's now famous recent engine failure (if you are reading in this forum, you must have read that thread), the other modes of engine failure appear to be much less frequent than the IMSB mode of failure. As you note, the IMSB mode of failure appears to be very, very preventable. A leaking RMS is not a mode of engine failure - it must have been horrific to the original owners of these cars to have oil spots on their pristine garage floors from a leaky RMS, but it is not an engine failure issue. I've been daily driving my 996 for the past 18 months. It is high mileage - 147,000+. But it is an incredibly reliable car - comfortable, safe, sure-footed and fun to drive. I have an '87 951 and an '87 928S4 also. I used to have a 964. No comparison to any of those cars - the 996 is head and shoulders better than them. The 964 was a good car, but raw and with the limitations of any air-cooled car. The 951 has been my son's DD for the past 3 years and has done well, but he recently got a '08 528xi because he wanted a more modern, comfortable daily driver. I've only had the 928 for less than 3 months, but have only gotten to drive it 4 days out of that entire time (it has been and continues to be under repair - sounds like my 928 experience is shaping up to be much like yours). You simply can't compare the 996 to an E-type or a 928. The 996 is a modern car that will serve you well as a daily driver.

Well, over the years Porsche engines have all had their problems. Chain Tensioners, leaking seals, IMS bearings, etc. However, Porsche publicly claims that over 70% of all Porsches ever built are still on the road. For a company that has been building cars since 1948 that is pretty impressive. While it isn't without its issues, I don't consider the 996 to be the rolling IED that some people do.

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Ha! I did see Cuda's thread. Sad, albeit interesting to read. Very informative; thank you. ALL of you have been. I've never heard of a rear main seal causing an engine to fail - just leak oil. As a matter of fact I once owned a car with *no* rear main seal - a simple scroll was etched into the crankshaft to "throw" oil back into the engine. So not too worried about that. At any rate. It sure is a tempting buy.

To anyone who is really worried about the disastrous financial effects of a catastrophic engine failure, may I suggest this: Buy a high-mileage Mk I model (100,000+ miles). That will cost you somewhere between $12,000 and $18,000. Drive it. Then drive it some more. You can tell yourself that if the engine grenades, you can sell the carcass for $5,000 and you move on. You won't have $25,000 tied up in the car. However, if the engine doesn't grenade (and there is about a 95% chance it won't), then you'll fall in love with the car. After a few months, you won't obsess over all this hysteria because you'll enjoy the hell out of the car. At that point, you'll have experience with the car and will be more comfortable sinking more money into a lower mileage, newer 996 if that is your desire. You'll always be able to sell the high-mileage one you bought first for about what you paid for it because these cars are at the bottom of their depreciation curve already.

Though I've only had it for three months I'm enjoying my 996 every day. I paid high (based on what you read here)...$29k from a non-Porsche dealer that I had bought four other cars from. I know of a couple of others at Los Angeles dealers for about the same price. The 993s and 964s are now commanding higher prices but that is just a market trend and not based on mechanical fundamentals. The Rennlist poll shows that 54 cars are supposed to have had IMS failures. The actual number of 996s produced is over 144,000. If I (for the sake of argument) multiplied the failures by 100 to 5400 that would still only be 4%. A good and fast read is "996 The Essential Companion"...it is 600+ pages of information including a very interesting section on engine failure causes. My car is an 11 year old example...2003 MY. I bought it with 39000 miles. I had a window regulator need replacing and a power seat motor need same...I gave it new plugs, oil, coolant flush, wheel balancing and a full inspection by the dealer looking for anything that needed to be done. I was able to get an aftermarket service contract from the dealer...I choose the level two covering the engine, trans, and fuel system. 3 years or 36000 miles...$2500...so that's about the price of replacing the IMS bearing and it covers a lot more. Take a drive in a 996 and if it feels good and makes you smile, and you are happy with the car you are considering, do it and enjoy it.

I got an almost new 996 2000 coupe and tiptronic with barely 18000 miles on it. I got it as a partial trade on a hot rod I had from a well to do friend of mine that bought it new. To me it looked beautiful inside and out. Had an oil change every year (14 of them). I had the oil changed again and the filter inspected by an indie shop here in town and they said it was clean. I kept reading the forum and after 3 days convinced myself that this beautiful car would most likely blow up before the end of the week no matter how clean the filter was. I was going to sell it but it was just so great looking and so much fun to drive, it was like brand new. My friend still had the window sticker, it was a tad over 81000 dollars when new, plus tax. It seemed crazy for me to sell it for a fraction of that. After reading the posts I decided that Jake was probably one of the most knowledgeable people in the world about these engines. He'll be the first to tell you that he only sees the failures so he is biased. His passion and mechanical ability for these engines is unquestionable. I just bit the bullet and sent it to Jake and had the upgrades done. I still have less in it than the dealers are selling them for in Los Angeles and I have peace of mind so for me it was the right move. I love the damn car every time I look at it and every time I drive it. I feel like I'll drive the car for many years because it'll always look good and be fun to drive. If I was you I'd just buy one you like while you can get them at such bargains and have fun.

other than a Corvette, what performance car has been refined for more than 50 years? 996's, so little for so much

That's an awesome decision. Great guy and you cant go wrong with him. He actually knows the M96 better than anyone for sure. Please share which level upgrade you go with when you decide and details of course.

I did it right after I bought the car. I got it back two weeks later. Jake and his guys were FANTASTIC to work with. I've had it for about three weeks now and drove it from Vegas to Los Angeles and back. Might go to Scottsdale AZ this coming weekend depending on work schedule. I had the IMSB, RMS, low temp thermostat, water pump, chain tensioners, plugs, spin on filter, magnetic drain plug, done, maybe I'm forgetting something. Jake said my sump was clean and my IMSB was still fine. He sent all my old parts back. Everything looked great. I had the dual row bearing and thats what I got it replaced with, only his is the KRYPTONITE one! I only had it all done for peace of mind, because my car was such low mileage it seemed to me a good time to do it before any metal at all ever started to get into things. It may have run another 100,000 miles as many have on the original parts, one never knows. I love reading posts on here about the hi mileage cars with no problems. I think thats the norm and to much has been made over the IMSB gamble. Some of us like myself are not capable of enjoying the car after learning of the gamble. Guys like me have a few choices. Upgrade it, or don't drive it much or sell it. I feel envy for the guys it doesn't bother at all and they just drive em and enjoy em without a worry, most live never to regret that decision.

What you effectively did was take the worry out of 996 ownership by doing what JR and many others suggest. As you posted, you can now enjoy the car with no drama. You made some common sense choices for your circumstances and all are great upgrade/improvements for the M96. Very nice example of a MKI. In fact yours is so nice hopefully no one will talk you into some of the goofy mods that ruin it. Car looks perfect as is, even the ambers.

They are pretty damn good cars. I've put 14k miles in the last 8 months on mine, no major issues whatsoever. You have an e-Type....and worried about maintaining a 911? Just strikes me as odd.

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That's a beautiful car. It's stunningly beautiful actually. Fear of the unknown. Totally different engineering - both exotic but very different. Chances are I can probably handle a 996 but... a 996 911 is a totally new train of thought for me as far as a car goes so I need to treat myself as if I know absolutely nothing. It's better to have been educated about ownership than not. I knew nothing about the 928 when I bought it and if I'd have known what I know now I wouldn't have bought it. Well, I'd have waited for "the right car" so to speak. I overpaid and or got the wrong car. If I'm going to do a 996, I'm going to research it for a month before I buy it. I want to be the most educated potential buyer in the market. Ya gotta do it right. I'm almost certain there's a crowd of people who undertake ownership of a Porsche just because they have the $20k to do it and then they have no interest in a relationship with their car. Right now I'm in the dating phase and I'm only willing to do this if it's right.

The hunt and anticipation is almost better than the catch. Although I'm an avid Porsche fan, having read about the 996 when it was new to present day; I went straight to the forum(s) for some first hand ownership experience and advice. Good luck with the search.

I can only imagine the kind of emotions this thing stirred within the first couple of years of being introduced. To think that for 40 years the company built air-cooled vehicles and all of a sudden here is a radically different vehicle with water cooling and really a different car in many ways... Crazy to think about.

^ great explanation, I agree with knowing what you are getting into before doing it. Just wanted to call that point out, in case it was more of a financial obligation you couldn't afford type thing, obv this is not the case. Good luck with the hunt, like I said before, these are great cars, very well built and strong. GL with your search...btw post pics of the Jag if you can

+1 and once you love it, if it grenades, put an LS engine and have more fun! ;-)

As for my jag... Here ya go!! Love this thing: http://www.xkedata.com/cars/detail/?car=2R14073

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That's exactly what I did!! And I found mine with a recently replaced LN IMSB and clutch too which really didn't effect the purchase price much at all I am happy to say!

These cars are the best performance per dollar available (although with C6 'vette prices coming down ...) As they age there are problems as with any car. The M96 production motors are really nothing special and can be worked on by any competent mechanic. These motors easily go past 200k miles if properly driven and maintained. Premature replacement of engine components is just silly and is undoubtedly responsible for more blown engines than anything (other than missing 5th gear and getting 3rd instead.) Worst issues I've dealt with are a fried transmission pinion bearing (blame Getrag not Porsche) and the damn hydraulics on the cabrios. Oh, and avoid the "Porsche geniuses" out there that specialize in large repair bills for things that aren't broken.

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ding ding A lot of peeps on here either forget this or don't subscribe to this. It's sad when you have peeps discussing the 996 like it's some revolutionary thing that's just come out and never been done before and that it requires it's own kind of special care or parts that don't pertain to other marques. It's just a damn car, get over it people.

Isn't it true that these engines are more akin to Subaru engines?

Sorry? I'm just trying to quantify my risk. I realize it's just a car. I'm just trying to educate myself.

Read, read, and read more. http://flat6innovations.com/

Great source... thank you!!!

I had a '88 928 S4 with around 80,000 miles on it and spent a lot of time working on it to get it running well with a supercharger, tuned just right and fix everything that went bad while doing it...lots went bad....spent more time under it than driving it. Sold it not long after getting it all running right, that was three years ago. Fast forward to yesterday when I flew to Florida and picked up my 'new' 2003 996 C4S (with 97000+ miles on it and original IMSB). I drove all night, 600 miles back home. Got here at 4 in the morning and couldn't wait to get back out in it today. Comparing the 996 to the 928 I can tell you it is a major upgrade by any relevant standard I can imagine. I don't have nearly the level of concern for the 996 suffering catastrophic failure like I had with the 928...and that was after putting the new timing belt and upgraded timing belt tensioning system on the 928! Granted the 996 I bought was well cared for and has the service history and oil analysis etc. etc. to give me some peace of mind but it wasn't the only one for sale in that condition... Get the 996 and enjoy it. When the opportunity/budget allows, do the ISMB upgrade and continue to enjoy it. The odds are deeply in your favor. Tech forums are going to be full of people complaining about things that went wrong but what you cant see from surfing the tech forum is they are outnumbered by the people who are out driving the 996 with nothing to complain about on a tech forum. For the price of a Toyota Camry and some perspective you can have a daily driver that is a great car.

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Only in a sense that they are both flat boxer engines.

This place just makes me feel good. One of the best internet communities I've been on. So from what I'm gathering there's two fixes. An uprated ceramic bearing - similar to the original in that it's not oil fed - but it's dissimilar in that it's ceramic. And, an oil fed flange - with a replacement Porsche bearing. In my limited research I think I tend to prefer this option as it doesn't seem that the problem with the original setup was the bearing itself, but the lack of lubrication to it... What is the consensus on what option is better...?

Are you also considering any BMW models? You might want to take a good look at the E39 M5 too. The market valuation is actually going back up on these cars vs the 996 that seems to be near the bottom of the curve. But similar era supercar with a vibrant forum community check into m5board.com Obviously very different kind of car but special in its own right and many would say one of the last to great M cars made by BMW. The other being the E46 M3 which is another option to consider that is slightly closer to a sports car trading off usable power curve, size and highway ride. Anyway just a thought. I am a big fan of these two M cars and also the 911 which is a lot newer to me since my sports car experience has been more with corvettes. I would take the 996 over any vette as a daily driver hands down. But choosing between a 996 and one of the two Ms I mention would be a tough call for me.

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Funny you mention it. We must have very similar taste in cars. We'll be friends if I hang around here. I began this search with a E39 M5, E46 M3 and a 996 911 in mind. I've owned a few BMW's already. I'm more hungry for a Porsche experience than I am for another BMW experience.

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Hey - anybody looking at a 911 and coming from a E90 335i manual who also owns a Jag. E type would be a natural candidate for one of those two M's. But the E46 is maybe too similar to the 335i, and the M5 is certainly no sports car, is rather heavy and not very nimble, and has nowhere near the tactile element that a 996 offers. As a first time Porsche owner after 8 BMW's (2 of which I still own including the aforementioned M5), trust me when I say that you will really love the 996.

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The market for the nice ones is really hot too. I've had my 335 for two years now. It is a sedan by the way, I'm a two-door guy (so there's that motivation too!). When I was looking for my 335, I also perused the market for E46 M3's. I basically paid $23,xxx for my 335 - it had 26,000 miles on it. Great-- basically a new car. A similar-mile M3 was like $26-27k and I just didn't want to spend that kind of dough... Now... that M3 I mention is over $30k for a nice one. I'll tell ya - those M cars - they hold value. And many hard-core BMW enthusiast regard those as some of the last "true" M cars ever built. I can't say I disagree and I'm certainly not a huge fan of the E92 M3... yuck. Now, on the other hand, I see a lot of value in the 996 market. It is the bargain of the decade in my opinion! And there is so much inventory. They made 100k or whatever of these cars. I am sure to find the right one that fits my checkboxes! At any rate... I've begun the search for a 996. Should be an easy car to find. Gotta say, the enthusiast community too... it is really such a great one. As welcoming as I found the 928 guys. Whereas the achilles heal of many 928's is the timing belt, it is the intermediate shaft bearing here... no big deal. Do the upgrade... and enjoy many miles of enjoyment. Plus, there's actually parts for 996's available.

Have you driven the N/A 996? The engine isnt impressive. Nor is the chassis by today's standards. E90 is such an awesome platform and the turbine smooth torque I wouldn't go back. 996 cabin is terrible too. You are crazy if this is going to be your primary car. Badge buying at this point. At least get a 997 - more refined and better looking. I went from a E36M3 to 996 to a E46 M3

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Can't believe I am at the point of responding to these type of posts but... Yes, I drive one every day. 0-60<5 sec and top speed of 179mph. Not impressive? Huh? Cabin terrible? Huh? Perfect gauges and great seats. What do you do in your car that needs more than that? Maybe you should look at a minivan. Badge buying? says the guy with an M3

The 996 NA has its problems but BMW has built some of the biggest piles of crap known. Im pretty sure BMW still has plenty of models in the numerous "worst vehicles of all time" lists on the net. I was wondering where you had been. You could at least join one of the current "blown engine" threads and give some advice. And I forgot to add, did you know your engine is based on an old Dodge slant 6 design?

The E90 was a fantastic car the first few years it came out. It's still a fantastic platform and chassis. Drives great, is fast. They have a slew of issues. In my eyes if I'm going to a bit of wrenching I might rather do it on a 996. But I want a sports car because I want a sports car. I am far from practical in many facets of life. The only way I'm practical is that I'm healthy and I work out a lot, haha. As for the motor not being impressive, that's kind of what I'm after. I'm not racing, I just want the car to sound good and feel good. I'm not jumping to saying I'm buying one just yet but I definitely like them.

rlich8, another really good PCA article is this one. Maybe explains some issues as well. http://www.nnjr-pca.com/index.php?op...cles&Itemid=72 Keep in mind most people don't like to state the "pros AND CONS" about something they own. Just the pros. It helps to read unbiased views.

I've had two 996's and they have been very reliable, just normal maintenance stuff like brake pads, water pumps, etc. My first 996 was a 1999 and we now have a 2002 targa. Very quick, fun, smooth, reliable cars from my experience.

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I don't believe this is correct. BMW's straight 6 was running in airplanes at the end of WWI. The Dodge appeared around 1926-27.

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I tend to like to hear pros and cons. As a matter of fact I gravitate more to cons especially in pre-purchase of something. For me it's all due-diligence. I'd be happy to list the cons of my other cars.. after all blind loyalty is still blind!!! Thank you!!!

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Yes the Dodge slant 6 and a DOHC VANOS, dual sump, 8000RPM, 104hp/ltr S54 are practically the same. Interchangeable really. IMS, AOS, cracked heads, slipped/ovaled/cracked sleeves, whats not to love about the M96/7 family? I will get another 911 - for the badge. Just waiting for the 9A1 variants to drop in price.

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well that doesn't make me feel good.

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Not arguing BMW history, but they really did not start making cars until the 50's (they made motor cycles, small cars, bikes, pots, etc). I think all of their plans for plan and car engines were given to the allies after each war and they had to start over. Damn Germans. Always starting and losing those wars. Think where the cars would be with 100 years of continuous improvement instead of having to reset every once in a while.

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PORSCHE, There is NO Substitute

There is a good chance I will be working in the garage this weekend on the car or be out driving it. If you haven't driven one yet, I would be happy to show you mine. I live in Forest Park. I think the engine is AWESOME along with the power. If you have not owned a Porsche, it's definitely something you need to do.

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Paul, I would love to come see your 996. It would be great to see one first hand from a 996 enthusiast. I'm not sure if I've owned a Porsche. I owned a 928 for a about eight months. :-) I will shoot you a PM.

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Or pick up a Mezger-based engine, no? 996TT perhaps? I've seen some prices coming down in fact, it's a dream car!

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Yeah, wars have produced some great engines, some pieces make it to the street too. You're right, the BMW M328 was not used until the mid to late thirties in cars. I think some of these go at auction for stupid prices too.