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People take issue and feel that I use the forum as nothing more than an advertisement.
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The issue is the 2/3 won't police the 1/3 and tell them that they are being jerks, that should leave things alone..
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I’ve been a guest a few times on a friend’s auto repair Youtube channel explaining how to troubleshoot fuel injectors, how to use a smoke machine to find vacuum leaks, and how to do a compression test.
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We may not have any more classes, and if we do, the curriculum will change, a lot.
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No I don't need it, but a question. While an engine is in good running condition would it be advisable to take it to Jake and have a rebuild?
Would it save $$ in the long run? What are the pros and cons?
Go BUCKS !!!!!!!
Thanks
Have your engine checked for bore scoring. Have your oil analyzed. Do a compression and leakdown test.
If those are normal and you aren't in the hunt for more horsepower or a track engine then my answer would be, NO.
Drive and enjoy until you have a reason to worry
I pretty much agree with billh above. The only issue is if it goes BOOM big time it can get more expensive to fix real fast. Usually there are warnings but not always. I was lucky my engine started telling me it was not happy and I had read enough here to realize I needed to do something before it went BOOM...that doesn't always happen. So the right answer for the OP is "what is your comfort level?" I rolled the dice on an original IMSB and it did NOT fail so I was fortunate and made the right choice for me.
I will share that after I got my car back from F6I with a reconstructed engine that solved all of my irrational fears(such as "What was that noise? Was that a puff of smoke? Did I feel a shudder?) I feel totally different about my car and enjoy it much more/more often. Am I a F6I FANBOI? Yes... yes I am and for good reason.
I always wanted more power (Low RPMTorque) for my Porsche but knew bolt-on parts only help HI RPM power. So when Jake announced his 1st M96 engine rebuild class in 2009 I was one of the 10 in the class.
My Car had been running fine for the 9 years I had owned it. 2000 ym. When I returned home after the class I removed the engine & started disassembly. As I was removing the IMSB cover plate I noticed the shaft was very loose.
This was a Dual row & I change oil every 5,000 miles. I'm sure it would have failed within 4,000 miles. So I sent the IMSB and case to LN. so I can enjoy the extra power NOW
I am always very reserved about answering questions/ making statements about my program here. People take issue and feel that I use the forum as nothing more than an advertisement. Due to this, I ask that you submit a ticket through my website, so we can speak directly, and avoid all the non-sense opinions of others... Please.
That said, at times 50% of our workload is comprised of elective builds like you mention here. These days IMSB and cylinder bore scoring failures are about the only failed engines that we are accepting, along with the elective builds. There are tons of benefits to an elective build, the biggest being less cost, and an absolute scheduled build where you will be without the car for only 4 months. If you have a failure, you could be in my queue for 18 months, doing without the car for all that period of time.
Jake, I wasn't asking you to advertise your business, that is done fairly well here through the members replies and just reading your post. ..Thank you for responding.
I was just hoping to get the best professional opinion as I was just thinking about being pro-active.
I mean if I could spend 7-10k instead of 20-25k AND not have to worry seems like a win.
I've always wanted a 911 and had a cash budget of what I would spend on it.
These cars seem to be a lot more fragile than other cars I've owned...
And therein lies the problem. No one bats an eye when the rich guy buys a 73 911T and dumps $100k into restoring it. It�s almost expected. The main reason 996s are cheap to get into is because they have a black sheep problem with the �cognoscenti�...
Why would 996 parts be any less expensive than any air cooled or later model 911? And they are 20 year old cars. Any car you buy that old will have potential problems. Yes, the M96/7 engine have their flaws. If you don�t feel comfortable having to throw down some cash every now and then, maybe it�s not the car for you. The 996 is bordering on classic 911 status. It�s still a Porsche, and you will pay Porsche prices.
Oh, and your 996 will run circles around that 73 in every way, except maybe the �cool� factor which is subjective. The high cost of entry into the air cooled world is nostalgia tax.
I�m one of the outliers that did an elective build because that is what I wanted. I have a �99 C2 with the cable throttle with factory LSD and very little else. So it will be one of the last �analog� cars, but first of the water cooled, lighter, faster and stiffer than the previous iteration that was built along side (I have a Feb 98 build). I wanted a �forever� car and budgeted the FSI build in the acquisition - not a decision for everyone, but good for me.
I could have bought a newer model or even a 996 GT3, but I was after that unique version that is simultaneously analog and modern with as few of the electronics as possible.
I realize not everyone would pursue this route, but I�m admittedly odd and it works for me. I�ll have my secret supercar that makes me happy, because I know what went into it.
I prefer the '99 996's. I had a blue one with TC (sold it) and now have the white one getting an engine swap. I'll probably buy another one as a spare. Jake has said in the past that he prefers the early build '99's as well.
I know you were kidding, but I've received two tickets today asking about these so called "10K Engines"... So, I have to clarify :-)
Components, and processes add up to well over 15k at my cost. Even in the early days I charged north of 18k for these engines, and those days are long gone, and have been for over a decade.
Oh boy. I guess sarcasm goes right over some folks heads. Hope that�s the only calls you get!
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Very much looking forward to working with ya. And I know it won�t be $7-$10k 😁
It's all good.. One guy sent it in as a joke. The other one didn't, but I had fun with him anyway :-)
Look forward to working our way to your spot on the list soon.. Maybe in December.. maybe
@Flat6 Innovations
Jake, the invaluable free advice you offer on this site is indeed a great advertisement for you. After reading much of what you have to say, I wouldn’t go anywhere else when the time comes. It seems ludicrous to me that anyone would object to your advice on the basis that it is an advertisement. It’s only an effective advertisement if the advice is helpful. Are these people saying they want you to stop posting helpful advice on the forums? I hope you don’t listen to people like that. Some people you can never make happy, especially when they hide behind the anonymity of the Internet. F@ck ‘em.
On the subject of sarcasm, see Poe’s law:
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so obviously exaggerated that it cannot be mistaken by some readers for a sincere expression of the views being parodied.
Thanks. Its the same cycle I have experienced since joining my first forum in 1997. 1/3 of the people truly appreciate having professional input, 1/3 are fine with pros being here, and 1/3 are vendor haters. The issue is the 2/3 won't police the 1/3 and tell them that they are being jerks, that should leave things alone.. If people that made these types of posts knew they'd have to answer to masses of people calling them jerks, they'd likely not handle things the same way.
Oh, and BTW any professional here has to sponsor the site to have the right to come offer FREE advice. It costs me 350 bucks a month to come here, and for that I do get two posts that I can start per month, but most months I don't even start thread, because of the crap that happens with posters that just want to start stuff. As a good example today I tested one of my 4.3L engines that is making 450HP, and I know that if I start a thread about it, that within 4 hours the jerks will arrive, and **** me off. I love engines, but these people have just about made me lose all hope for society.
It has more in it... 370HP at the wheels today, I think I'll hit 385 tomorrow. 320# of torque, and of course at 6,000 RPM we have made 140HP more than a stock 3.6 engine that came out of the same car. This 4.3 was originally a 2.7 Boxster crankcase....
Post engine details, Jake. I would love to hear more about it.
Haters will always hate. They always have and always will. The internet has just given them another venue.
Don't forget you can use the ignore feature on them
The ignore feature doesn't work, as they can still see what I post.. I just can't see their hateful remarks.
The first 20 chapters of the engine rebuild series goes on sale just before Christmas, and when that hits I fully intend to completely disappear.
I honestly don't even know what they will sell for.. Start caring about the money, and the content starts to suck, and the reason Im doing this is wasted.
All I know is The Knowledge Gruppe plans to sell all 20 chapters as one DVD set, taking up 7 DVDs with 15 hours of edited content, as well as breaking it down into sub- sections of crank carrier assembly, short block assembly, piston installation, cylinder head installation, and valve train/ cam timing. I am sure it will be cheaper as a DVD box set of all chapters.
It will also be available on Amazon streaming.
I think the goal is for the sales to begin mid- December. My part is done, last week I had to spend 15 solid hours watching myself, making sure that all the content was correct. We have 7 solid months invested into this, and I hope the legacy it provides ends up being worth it.
[QUOTE=TexSquirrel;16252886]The sooner the better.QUOTE]
I dont think you meant you can't wait for Jake to completely disappear? Lol
If he disappears the forum will be lacking some serious chops.
Thanks for the info.
My wife won’t want to wait until then to buy my gift.
I’ll have to buy it myself after Christmas then.
Nothing tougher than to watch yourself on TV.
I’ve been a guest a few times on a friend’s auto repair Youtube channel explaining how to troubleshoot fuel injectors, how to use a smoke machine to find vacuum leaks, and how to do a compression test.
I hated seeing, and especially hearing myself!
The first two times I watched it, it wasn�t too bad.. Those two times it was all about creating the notes that the edits were based from. Making sure the important stuff stayed, while trimming the fat.. This last time has been brutal!
I really enjoy doing this work.. What I like most is the fact that it�s all real, and nothing was scripted. Nothing was just regurgitated from a workshop manual.
the idea is for an assembler to go through all the motions of the video, and to be able to hit play, and pause as they do the work step by step along with me.
That's according to what you call "proprietary tricks".
This is a series about assembly, and it's all original content. I do instruct all the same content as what we've had in the hands- on class for the past 12 years. The January 2020 hands- on class is the last class we will have using the prior curriculum. We may not have any more classes, and if we do, the curriculum will change, a lot. Time will tell.
Here's what we cover, in a nutshell:
You Tube
No name brands are mentioned, and no sponsorship for the video series has been offered. I only agreed to do this if there were no recommendations made about what parts and processes were used. I didn't want any corporate crap getting in the way of conveying the information. We taped over the names of everything used in the video, and I didn't even give notoriety to my own components. This is about the art of engine building, not what, or where you should buy parts, or have processes done.
No one will ever be able to say that they purchased an "infomercial", that's for sure.
Policing them isn’t worth the effort, for us 2/3 or anyone else.
I get that it makes you angry. I’m sensitive to Internet comments that way myself. I steam over them out of all proportion sometimes. I think the only way past it is to ignore them; don’t let them dictate the norms of our community. That’s just my opinion.
I didn’t know that. Thanks.
Back on track to Porsche stuff now... I’m very curious, if you can share: what is the motivation for changing the class curriculum?
Yep, the terms of being a business that posts here are strict. I am not complaining, just letting you guys know that it costs us money to come here, even if we only offer technical advice to those who will never be a purchaser.
The classes need to change. It has been the same since 2008, and we have learned a lot since then. At the same time, people don't want to be gone for 4 days anymore, and travel costs a lot. I am changing the format to online classes, and will be doing more and move videos. We may even do an online class with a live engine being built, to avoid the travel.
If you want the true hands- on experience, be here for the last class in January 2020.
Ok, to circle back to the original point of post #1. Just do it. Work with FSI. It will be money well spent. Whether a proactive build or one due to necessity, just do it. Don�t think about it. You�re in good hands.
Jake, I submitted an inquiry ticket this morning on your site. I look forward to the communication with you or someone on your team. Logistical question re timing and transport: my rebuild would be entirely elective, and from California. You mentioned 4 months if elective. Is that still the case? If not, what is timing of an elective stock M96 rebuild? Do I ship the car, the engine, the block, or what? My '99 996 C2 Coupe is my daily driver, 52k miles, good condition, and I'm quickly spinning up on things to watch for before it's too late. If UOA, cam timing, manifold vacuum, sump inspection, or other indices suddenly started veering in the wrong direction, I would just park it until FSI was ready. And with all the joking about sub $10k cost, at some point I would like to know actual cost of a stock-to-stock, elective rebuild. Not dying to goose HP, but if incremental cost was minor, I'd be open to it.
Thanks,
Kelly
PS: sorry OP for hijacking your thread.
These are all questions that I will answer in your submission ticket, which I received while at church, this morning.
I continue to receive nasty grams about using this forum for the benefit of my business, so I cannot effectively answer your questions here without getting my wrist slapped, or hearing about it.. This isn't the place for details of my program.
Look forward to my direct answers later today, as a reply from our ticketing system.
