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YOUR RESEARCHCan I fit 20 inch wheels in my 996 ?
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I noticed alot of 997 owners run 20", but I know 19" is recommended for 996 and is what I run as well...any know why the 997 take the 20" better?
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I know, I already have a very nice wheels on the car, but I have always been a sucker for techart wheels, and I have a deal on some used 20 inch.
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they were likely the pirelli or the bridgestone if N3, that generation pilot sport rib was n1 on the turbos iirc
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I suspect the same is true for the 996, but ultimately it comes down to personal taste.
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I noticed alot of 997 owners run 20", but I know 19" is recommended for 996 and is what I run as well...any know why the 997 take the 20" better?
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20s just make sure you check the rolling diameter, and i wouldn't do it if AWD, there were severe documented issues running plus sizes on the turbos in instrumented tests, i've posted links before, hit search
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They attempted to use the 996 suspension pieces (for economic reasons) but found that the 19s exerted so much added force to the suspension that they were literally shaking the 996 suspension parts to pieces.
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Hello,
I wanted to know if I can fit 20 inch TechArt Formula wheels in my 2003 911 Carrera narrow body ? I mean without transforming my car into a tire grinder
I see pictures of boxster with that setting but I have not seen any 996 with those wheels.
Picture of the
techart formula wheels
... on a boxster.
PS: Sorry if that has already been discussed
Thats a pretty big and costly mod. here is what will need done. It can be done:
You have to install the 15" subwoofers to go with them. Install fuzzy dice and paint your interior white and carry "the 9" under yo eat. You will also have to put an LCD TV in there somewhere with a game system attached.
THEN and only THEN will they fit
One last thing. you will have to wear a big rimmed baseball cap and tilt it off to the side. Some say they also go on better if you are wearing yo "pants on the ground"
Because it is a question that causes a bit of irritation do to the idea that bigger is not always better.
techart or not 20s on a 996 are not recommended. 19s are bad enough.
On the serious side the answer is that you CAN, but after doing so you will likely regret it.
1) Ride will be really harsh
2) Much higher risk of pothole breaks and bends
3) Seriously higher costs
4) IMHO really dumb based on defeating the purpose of your car: performance
Lol
Thank you for the warm welcome !
I know, I already have a very nice wheels on the car, but I have always been a sucker for techart wheels, and I have a deal on some used 20 inch.
Right now I have 18"... so I assume I am now back in the good side of the group
By the way I just bought the car, looking at the pic, do you think it is stock suspension height ? it looks a bit low to me.
+1 for welcome.... now put your money on a PCA membership, find a DE event and start learning to drive your car
Come back here and report your findings on how the DE went, and to ask questions about servicing your car.
Post some pics of your car and we will offer "tasteful" mods that will enhance the ride and look w/o being just plain silly
Welcome to RL. I think the wheels you have look quite good. 18s look really good on a 996. I think 19s can look good, but I think 20s might be a little freakish on this car. That's my opinion anyway... stick with the 18s!
Here are some more pics. The shadow are not with me so I tried to get higher resolution.
The "funny" thing is that the rear seems to sit much lower than the front...
Where is the best place to post 'maintenance' newbie question ? I have a couple of good ones
I think it would look good as long as you have the proper offset.
Of course, if this is a track car, they are too big from what others have said.
Street should be fine, just a little rough.
looks like stock height. The front may level out with a full tank of fuel. It looks like nice tires and wheels aready. 20's would be a bit much for the car, it would probably raise it even higher rather than fill in the fenderwell. Even 19's will raise the car a slight bit even with correct tire sizing.
Welcome to the group!
Please stick with 18's. The ride height looks like US stock to me........you will find a plethora (boy that's a grown up word) of info here regarding suspension, trust me I went through it myself.
Those 18"s look great on your Porsche. Nice looking ride. Guess I'd say that 20's, depending on weight would penalize your comfort and handling...but it's your $ in the end.
Okay guys, yes. I have dubs (20's) on my C4S w/lo-pros (low profile tires) I'm sorry.
Does it ride harsh. No. Do they scrape? No. Do they grip good? Good enough. Do they look good (are they real?) They are SPECTACULAR
Just a f*ck#n' bucket full of awesomeness. I mean, they are okay.
Got a very good deal on them w/tires....cheaper than buying new 18" tires.
But I have regular springs/shocks right now and just last night bought some H&R's and 7mm & 14mm spacers. We'll see if I get rubbing, if so, a fender roll.
That's very true, yet no one will tell you why larger (than 18) wheels are bad for you. People will mention weight (but you can get lighter weighing 19's or 20's than stock) or suspension geometry, but no one has any true evidence of why larger wheels are bad. It may be true that they may ride rougher, but if you are willing to live with that, you should be okay.
4Scargo why don't you post some shots of your 20's
I am surprised it fits without rubbing with the stock suspension, but again I assume you have the C4S I wonder if the wheel arches are bigger than the narrow body...
Not bad. But 19's are better.
It depends on what YOU want. And the suspension setup. Here is a C4S I saw on the net with 20's. They would bend real easy with such a short sidewall.
IMHO (and I love bigger wheels) is go with 19's.
LOL @ Kyle, that took me a minute to figure out....
HEY Rajesh !! How is the car.. ready for spring drives !!
OK those with 19+ sizes .... my opinion, they are too big and look funny. Its only an opinion and I have no other supporting data, I have seen many with 19's and it just isnt my thing, bigger would be really silly looking. I understand the desire, but I dont think they look good at all
Hey Ed,
Given the (lack of) winter this year on the island, it's been ready for a spring drive for a couple of months now!!!
BTW, I'm planning to be in Seattle a couple of times this summer. I still owe you a few beers
- hopefully I'll get to see you and your new shiny!
20s just make sure you check the rolling diameter, and i wouldn't do it if AWD, there were severe documented issues running plus sizes on the turbos in instrumented tests, i've posted links before, hit search
FYI those techarts are some of the weakest wheels, i've seen sets of formulas crack in the cold ad heard about several more, known bad wheel. Looks great though.
Good luck and be sure to report back.
Halten zie! What you want is a better look for wheel and car together right? More specificly how it fills the wheel well. So work on the supension and figure 19 max 18 or 17 for trackable and better feel for the road. But if you insist on bigger wheels after looking at a lot of the 17 and 18 stuff out there then go for 19. Don't expect 19 to be good for really applying the rubber to the road. I think they do feel like riding on rail on the street but the error is feeling when its going to break.
I don't know if you have been there but roads you thought were smooth turn into harsh bumps that were rolling areas when at high speeds. Then the porsche suspension is stiff and the toe in if right has the car needing to be kept on track by the driver at hgiher speeds on bump uneven roads. Bigger wheels and thinner side walls get squirly is the simple way to put it. 19 is the max.
There are tires that porsche ok's for the rear engined car. I don't know if there are any 20" tires they OK for the car. You don't want a problem for sure.
There's an interesting article in the May 2010 edition of Car and Driver that compares various wheel sizes. In this article, C&D tests a VW Golf with 15, 16, 17, 18 and 19 inch wheels. Interestingly, as the wheel size increases, the added weight adversly affects gas mileage and acceleration. Handling improves, although it seems to peak at 18 inch. There's a trade-off between appearance, handling, ride quality, gas mileage and acceleration. Their conclusion is that the "sweet spot" for the Golf is in the 17 and 18 inch range, which is why those options are available as OEM wheels. I suspect the same is true for the 996, but ultimately it comes down to personal taste. If you like 20s and you are willing to give up performance, gas mileage and ride quality, then go for it!
Purchased my TT with 19's and H&R's. The ride is not as smooth as other cars that I have driven and the braking does feel different. I am concerned about large potholes, etc with the low profiles. It is a matter of choice not doubt, I would just as much research as I could before making that large of a purchase.
Either my literacy skills suck, or that was the dumbest article I have ever read. Can someone please tell me what tire they tested on the stock 18" wheels? I didn't see a single reference to brand or model, simply that they were "N3" tires.
Unless the comparison was 18" PS2's to 19" PS2's, the author wasted everyone's time, and made many people dumber for having read this.
-Jon
Barn, for the longest time Ed thought that research was "rear-search." Every time someone told him to do his research, he would grab his *** with both hands, say "OK it's still there" and then buy the item on ebay.
That is the REAL reason why Ed bought parts that didn't fit!
they were likely the pirelli or the bridgestone if N3, that generation pilot sport rib was n1 on the turbos iirc
PS2 to PS2 would not have eliminated enough variables for an apples to apples comparison, sidewall height and deflection and section width and contact patch would have had sufficient variation even in the same model line, and old tires to new tires wouldn't have been fair either.
I run 19s (I've had two sets now), and I think they're fine on the street, but my car is , to my own poorly calibrated seat of the pants, more twitchy at the limit than it was on 17s or 18s. I do not get sideways the way I used to, it spins more easily and is less fun at 8/10ths+, but it feels much better at 7/10ths or less than, say the stock 17s.
I do agree that the article lacks scientific rigor, however it does echo the recommendations of the factory. I doubt the magazine had the resources to further explore the issues, and it's very possible that some shaved rubber and a little suspension tuning would have dialed out the problems they experienced, but nobody knows.
If I did it all over again (and the smaller 7tt replicas were available, which they were not at the time I went to 19s) I would stick to 18s and throw the difference in price at suspension. Not many people can tell the difference between a 19 and an 18 from 10 feet away visually , but everyone can tell the difference sitting in the driver's seat. 18s will generally ride better, you will bend fewer wheels (and this goes for the 997s as well believe me), and they may handle better in extreme situations.
19s are fine, however tires are twice the cost of 18s, regardless of the other pros/cons this greatly increases the price of vanity! 20s however are a bit crazy on these cars. You'd basically be stuck with a larger rolling diameter, a huge tire bill, and you'd be guaranteed to lose a wheel a year to a pothole. But its up to everyone individually how they like to spend their money!
Keep in mind that the 996 was designed specifically around the 17 and 18 inch wheels. When the 997 was developed they designed to bump them up to 19s. They attempted to use the 996 suspension pieces (for economic reasons) but found that the 19s exerted so much added force to the suspension that they were literally shaking the 996 suspension parts to pieces. They were forced to seriously upgrade by beefing up the suspension pieces to handle the added stress. Techarts are one of the heaviest wheels out there today.
Hi Tim,
Just wondering if you knew what brand rims these are? I have a set of these that came as spares on my 996. I am looking to list them and could not for the life of me discover what brand alloys these are.
Cheers.
Zach.
