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First, take a brand new flat razor blade and clean off all the old sealant from the plate and the bottom of the sump.
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I dropped a 10� screw driver down my toilet drain last week while changing the flange.
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I've been using a telescopic magnet pen to place small bolts on to get them into position for tight spaces like this.
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First, take a deep breath.
Next, purchase a gooseneck magnetic grabber claw that you can use to noodle down into the oil filler hole to retrieve it.
Another option is to purchase a bore scope type camera and try to visually locate the bolt. You may also want to open up the sump plate for inspection. Always a slight chance is could have made it's way down and you can retrieve it from below.
Get it out !! Get one of the small 5.5mm flexible bore scopes with the magnet attachments on it to locate and pickup the bolt. It probably won't make it to the oil pan since there are many things in the way, crank carrier, crank, rods, plastic crank baffle, IMS. But I would certainly remove the sump plate and look, you could get lucky, And do not turn the engine until you retrieve the bolt...
Doubt it will make you feel better, but.... I dropped a 10� screw driver down my toilet drain last week while changing the flange. I spent many many hours with a magnet and a ryobi camera that hooks to your smart phone looking down crap pipe. 2 plumber trips, $400, cut pipes and probably 10 hours later it was retrieved. Oh yeah I threw away my phone case because well I had been digging in the toilet drain using it as a screen. I busted out the back of my phone 2 days later because I didnt have a case. Just hang in there and get professional help if you get frustrated or stop making progress.
It a plastic tube and horizontal. As long as you don�t take the oil hose out of the clamp holder and keep flat it probably won�t go to deep. I would think a magnet should work really well.
Just under that hole is the crankshaft.
It looks like a dropped bolt won’t make its way down to the sump.
Wait to drop the sump plate.
I’m disassembling my engine now to see where a bolt might end up.
Here’s a shot through the oil filler tube hole.
This is without a crankshaft.
You can see the crankshaft carrier, and there is a tiny hole on the bottom.
Here’s the area right below the oil filler hole.
The hole lead to the yellow circled areas.
If a bolt makes it this far, it is unlikely to make it several inches over and down to the sump plate.
This area is mostly surrounded by the wind age tray.
Get a flexible magnet wand and be careful.
I juhttps://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01MYTHWK4/ref=ppx_od_dt_b_asin_title_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1st got this camera scope and it works great...
I've been using a telescopic magnet pen to place small bolts on to get them into position for tight spaces like this.
Do this! ^^^ But since you need to pull the sump plate anyways, start with that. Maybe you've got lucky and it already made it's way down to it. Don't worry, this is not that big of a deal. You just have to find it and get it out........That's what she said!
Maybe a vacuum with a small hose modified to suck it up? I like the borescope with magnet idea better, but I'd be too impatient to wait for it to be delivered....
good luck, you'll get it!
To all responders: thanks for the inputs. Friend has �scope and gonna look tomorrow. I think I�m going to drop the pan anyway, and pray I get lucky for once in my life. My IPS owner said that he would come to my house and help....who does that?!?! Will let all know the outcome
I would wait to drop the sump pan until you get a chance to look down the hole. It is probably right there in the hole and can easily be extracted with a magnet.
a friend had a scope and I had a 24� �grabber�...that looks like the one at the county fair where as a kid you thought you�d be able to grab the prize, but never could. Same result-saw it, tried to grasp, no luck, went further down. Grabber has 1/2� oil on its end, so I�m thinking I am at level of pan. Family coming into town for a week, so dropping pan will have to wait til everyone goes. Wanna be lucky just once. My wife said, whatcha mean �once�😝
A magnet would have solved your problem in two seconds and still will! Every parts store sells them cheap...Good common sense is the best tool in the box.
Ah, darn. Sorry to hear that. County Fair? I was the guy in the background rootin' for you.
Did the grabber tool have a magnetic end on it? At this point, you may need to go up from the bottom? But whatever you do, resist the urge to turn the engine as Porschetech3 stated. Just remember, you can do this with a little patience and the right tools.
At least you know that if you go up from the bottom that you’ll probably need to go through the opening and turn toward the front of the engine.
I can take internal engine pictures and measurements if you need them.
I just took a look and IF your bolt ended up in the yellow box area, I think you’ll be able to get to it.
I can almost get there with my finger.
You’ll need a VERY flexible magnetic tool.
Going to drop pan this week and looking for replacement pan gasket. I cannot find one online. I saw a post somewhere (pelican parts?) where someone said no gasket, just an unspecified “sealer”. Also, would not start without retrieving the part....”auto” suicide
Correct, no gasket.
Use Loctite 5900.
https://www.amazon.com/Loctite-Sealant-Engine-Cylinder-Porsche/dp/B015CC6WH0/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=Loctite+5900&qid=1577074529&sr=8-1
https://www.amazon.com/Loctite-Sealant-Engine-Cylinder-Porsche/dp/B015CC6WH0/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=Loctite+5900&qid=1577074529&sr=8-1
Subscribed as im genuinely curious how this ends. Have always thought what happens if you accidentally drop something into the engine!
+1 on a flexible magnet thing
A happy ending. Pulled the pan and was disappointed that bolt wasn�t there. Distraught and frantic thinking it�s going to the shop. Pulled oil intake tubes to get my fingers into one of two rectangular holes in the block above oil pan, and there, miraculously on a ledge towards the rear of the engine was the bolt. Need small hands (no comments please)-Couldn�t see it but felt it and retrieved it. Man, am I happy. Sorry I didn�t take photos to document. Thanks for everyone�s input.
I've dropped my sump pan twice on my 986 boxster, first time sealed with the loctite, but it was really hard to squeeze out of the tube, 2nd time got some Reinzosil from Amazon, much easier and came with a key to turn the tube. I learned about the Reinzosil because that is what Pedro shipped at the time with his deep sump. Congrats on getting the bolt!
R E L I E F is not just for Rolaids users. (you have to remember the 70s for that to apply)
Glad you listened to the advice of the forum and took your time, dropped the sump, and found the bolt from the bottom end. Congratulations!
Now, before putting the sump plate back, be very careful with the sealant. First, take a brand new flat razor blade and clean off all the old sealant from the plate and the bottom of the sump. Then apply a 1mm line of sealant around the perimeter of the sump plate. Then, gently dab the sealant flat. Do not leave a bead or it could get into the oil reservoir area. Let it dry for a time. Good luck!
Oh, and don't forget to add oil after the sealant has thoroughly dried. hahaha. I'm sure some folks have forgotten this and then went to start the car. ouch!
Agreed. If you look at a real tool catalog you will find different size and strength magnetic on telescoping and flexible handles just for �times like these� (apologies to the Foo Fighters).
I�ve learned over the years having the right tools is a real time and coincidental damage saver. I�ve also learned sometimes is best to walk away and go buy the tool you need as it�s actually faster in the long run.
So did you do a good sump inspection while in there? Any odd foreign material?
And most important, glad the OP got the stray bolt! If you work on your own machines, things like this do happen.
