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YOUR RESEARCHValue of low mileage 986 ?
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Replace clutch and a few other things
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When i bought it, i had the LN IMS bearing put in (the removed stock double race bearing looked fine BTW), replaced the clutch and a few other things, so you may want to budget and price accordingly.
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PPI will not uncover failing head gasket that was stop leaked, failing engine due to low oil pressure (heavy weight oil+ Lucas Oil Additive used ON PURPOSE to fool the buyer), coolant loss (change and refill coolant before PPI), leaking transmissions (again stop leak), dying differentials ( can be quieted down with additives or saw dust for long enough to sell it).
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I use several online guides for pricing, (new cars are easy,) and generally have a low number and my won't go a penny more before I step foot in the dealer.
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Do your research, know your models and prices, and buy a clean car at the correct price
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It only had 28,750 miles, in almost mint condition, and a clean PPI from an Indy.
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When i bought it, i had the LN IMS bearing put in (the removed stock double race bearing looked fine BTW), replaced the clutch and a few other things, so you may want to budget and price accordingly.
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PPI will not uncover failing head gasket that was stop leaked, failing engine due to low oil pressure (heavy weight oil+ Lucas Oil Additive used ON PURPOSE to fool the buyer), coolant loss (change and refill coolant before PPI), leaking transmissions (again stop leak), dying differentials ( can be quieted down with additives or saw dust for long enough to sell it).
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I use several online guides for pricing, (new cars are easy,) and generally have a low number and my won't go a penny more before I step foot in the dealer.
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So it's really a 911, not a Boxster you're after? Confusion with your two asks.
If it's a 986, I just sold a 43k mile 2004 986 S550 (Special Edition 550 Spyder), the highest trim level 986 there was, with two sets of wheels, tasteful aftermarket exhaust (and original), and no stories for $21,500 in July. I woulda thought a 996 in similar condition would bring a bit more than that.
I paid 27 and a half grand for a 99 Cab, with matching hard top, 3 spoke steering wheel, and small shifter, Classic 2 sports 18 wheels. 45000 on the clock. 30 months ago. I would put yours no more than $30000. IMHO no matter what other mods are on the car. For you coupe drivers. When the top goes down, the price goes up by $5000.
Good to know, from what I can tell from photos it appears the car only has Bose, (car is not local to me.) The salesman is pulling the options codes so I should have them by tomorrow but I need to budge of their price given your estimate. Any tips for doing so, due to the miles they're holding it as a cherry and since they've serviced for most of its life, (Porsche dealer,) they seem pretty firm.
I can't believe I am gonna let this information out. . . .. but here goes;
I have worked in the Automotive industry for over 25 years now. I have held pretty much every position in a car dealership or body shop. If you have any questions about how to work with a dealer, let me know.
I am honest with everyone, but i still get labeled because I am in the industry.
So flame away, or ask questions . .. . . your choice
It really comes down to how badly a dealership wants to sell the car. Am I to assume, trade in values at Porsche dealers are pretty static? Am I also safe to assume that most Porsche dealers don't like to stock older model cars and thus have an interest in moving them quickly?
Yes and no.
If a dealer has a VERY rare model, they will be less likely to negotiate on it. They will also advertise it globally instead of locally.
And almost any dealership will wholesale a car over 100,000 miles, or older than about 7 years. It is just too hard to get financing on anything older or higher mileage than that.
If you want to see a dealership work for you, go in as a serious looker who is willing to buy TODAY if you see the right vehicle. If someone walks in saying "I want to buy a car today" they never do. But someone who is a serious looker is looking to buy, but needs to find the car they want.
That's tip #1 from your good ol' Uncle Beagle
If it's on a dealer lot, and it's a 986 or a 996, they want to get rid of it. Hell, SD Porsche were desperate to unload my 986, and that was 4 YEARS ago.
This will be my first Porsche but with other cars I research the car, options, etc. I use several online guides for pricing, (new cars are easy,) and generally have a low number and my won't go a penny more before I step foot in the dealer. I am prepared and have walked out, you HAVE to do that otherwise you're going to get tenderly loved by the salesman.
Dealers do not want to see older exotic cars on their lots. 996/986 is huge pain in the *** for any dealer.
Reasons for it:
1) Completely unrealistic expectation of the potential customers. Potential Porsche buyers come looking for a 10 year old car expecting it to be 100% showroom fresh. PPI, records BS, any scratches etc. Never once did I see so much hysteria about buying a used $20-25k car as I see in Porsche community. It may come as a shock to some, but PPI will only detect the most obvious faults with the car. PPI will not uncover failing head gasket that was stop leaked, failing engine due to low oil pressure (heavy weight oil+ Lucas Oil Additive used ON PURPOSE to fool the buyer), coolant loss (change and refill coolant before PPI), leaking transmissions (again stop leak), dying differentials ( can be quieted down with additives or saw dust for long enough to sell it). I worked in the dealerships long enough during college to know most tricks in the book. If dealer or skilled seller wants to **** you over, they will **** you over and no amount of PPI will help.
2) Cash buyer is almost always required. People with great credit can swing the loan on a 10 year old exotic car. Everyone else is FUBAR. But, most people who can drop $25k on the used Porsche, can afford to lease or finance a new one (most is key word).
3) Huge liability for states where implied warranties exist. Dealer takes a huge gamble on placing the used high value car on the lot. If anything major fails for the customer during the implied warranty period, they are on the hook for a lot of money.
So, haggle your butt off on the used Porsches. Low mileage 996 can be had from the dealer for $22-25k. However, low mileage cars come with their own headaches. 30k miles is barely broken in, so you will be experiencing ALL of the failures previous owner avoided by not driving it much.
I have let more people walk than you would believe, over smaller amount than you could imagine.
They think if they leave we will call back begging them to come back and offer a super low price. NOT TRUE. Most the time their offer was too low, so we could never make the deal.
It is always a good idea to be ready to walk, but not for money reasons. You should NEVER become too attached to a single car. If they see you are in love with it, you are gonna pay.
Simply put - If you find a car you like, and the price seems fair, buy it. (fair price, not some low ball never gonna buy a Porsche at that price number)
Do your research, know your models and prices, and buy a clean car at the correct price
Best way to haggle on a used 996 is to show pics or all the post from Jake on this forum and you will scare the salesman in giving you a MAJOR discount. Lol
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If only I had known this before buying mine . . .. .
J/K
It's weird when you work for a dealership, but a different dealer has the car you want. When it is a personal car, it is different than a dealer trade.
I recently bought a 2000 doppelg�nger of Hurdigudiman's car, right down to the wheels! They are getting scarce out here in the USA northeast, and prices seem to be going up, not down, for private party sales. Mine has a shade over 50,000 miles, which gave me more comfort than really low miles for a car of this vintage.
When i bought it, i had the LN IMS bearing put in (the removed stock double race bearing looked fine BTW), replaced the clutch and a few other things, so you may want to budget and price accordingly. I have never had more fun alone than when driving this incredible automobile.
Here in SoCal it seems like there's plenty of cars in the 60-80k range for under $20k. I still regret passing up on a '99 with 63k, new clutch/IMS for $17k. Ended up with an '02 with 80k miles for $19k, was able to get financing through my credit union. I'd say its a buyers market right now.
Although I have no records with the car (only mine) since I do most of my easier DIY work. I have not upgraded/downgraded the IMS/RMS. The Porsche garage put in a recon gearbox (under my extended warranty bought during the sale) and told me the clutch was good. So the engine from my records is the original in every way. Did you have a single race bearing put in the car when they removed the double race one?
Car does not have Bose which isn't a big deal, how much of a pain is it to add speakers to the car in place where the Bose options have them? I'd very likely upgrade to a double-DIN unit and relocate the environment controls.
From the options list, it's pretty spartan which is ok. The dealer and I are about a grand apart so if I wanted the car I'm pretty sure I could push them.
Prior to the car's arrival, the shop said they were going to pull everything open in order to determine which LN retrofit to use, so I assume they put in a new double race. They had to return the original bearing and the warranty paperwork to LN, so, presumably, little chance of a mistake.
Given how reasonably priced these cars are, I factored the cost of the bearing (and associated peace of mind) before I put a deposit on the car. Glad I did, now, as the whole family is in love with the car (for good reason). I have a nice picture but no clue how to post it.
For the almost exact car you were asking about in your op.
This June I purchased a 1999 C2, 6 sp MT, forest green metallic (non-standard color), leather package, fully adjustable driver/passenger seats w/lumbar, rear wipers, headlight washer, and traction control. Not an impressive list of extras by any means. It only had 28,750 miles, in almost mint condition, and a clean PPI from an Indy. I purchased it from a used Cadillac dealer in Plano, TX for $23k out the door (includes TT&L).
I paid 33k for my 02 C4 cab w 20k miles on it fully loaded without ims change 2 yrs ago. More than I should have, I know, but it was exactly the color and interior I wanted and in excellent shape. That's worth the extra $$ to me.
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