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difficulty balancing the new bbs made 20" wheels
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Biggest ongoing problem was difficulty balancing the new BBS made 20" wheels with Pirelli tires.
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Run poorly and smelled of old british people
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The gauges bounced, the wires smoked, and when it ran, it ran poorly and smelled of old British people.
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Come at it with an attitude of "it's just a car,it's just nuts and bolts" and it is likely a miserable result.
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Please drive your new purchase with care both to and from the repair shop.
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Replace "fuse" - a solid color-coded piece of ceramic
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The simple act of merely replacing a "fuse" - a solid color-coded piece of ceramic with the element mounted to the exterior of the fuse - was often maddening, since the fuse elements often degraded over time.
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Following the demise of my 2nd Porsche, by other drives wanting to be intimate with its rear end, I'm temporarily defecting to a Jaguar.
I plan to get another C4 sometime next year, I still love these cars.
So thank you guys for the great community and support, I'll continue to lurk around and see whats going on.
Agreed and very true, and that's what you get when the FMC takes over a great brand. They simply effed it up!
Jaguar is now owned by Tata Motors HQ in India. The cars are still manufactured in the UK. Tata has invested millions into the company and the cars of very recent years are excellent. The new F-type in particular has rave reviews by journalists and owners alike.
If you have the beans, and treason is on your mind, the F-type is the way to go.
if you have fewer beans and a bit of a masochistic streak, you can go the direction i have.
they may seem like crap, but they sure are good looking. i get way more thumbs up and head turns in the XJS than in the 996.
(you can also see the 996 towers over it, literally. figuratively, we know.)
Jagwires SUK. They suck in every way imaginable. They suck immense donkey ballz. It is impossible to describe in human terms the immensity of jagwyre suck. Old ones suck, new ones suck even worse. The XK looks like a giant miata. And I like miatas, just not giant ones. I feel I am not getting my point across in this post so let me reiterate the extreme SUCK that is all things gagwire. Please drive your new purchase with care both to and from the repair shop. Which is the only place it will ever go so you may as well leave it parked there. Due to it sucking so much. My condolences on your purchase.
jaguars don't suck because they are inherently sucky, they suck because their owners suck.
if an owner does not have patience, problem solving aptitude, wrench-turning skills, electrical know-how, or financial means it is very easy to let these (or any) complicated automobiles slip into a pit of disrepair from which it is quite difficult to climb out of.
if an "enthusiast" can not appreciate an older jaguar for what it is, then i have a can of plastidip and some smoked out tail lights i can point you toward. (this is the 996 board right? where all of our cars suffer from a potentially fatal flaw as designed from the factory?)
my v12 made it from new york city to los angeles in 3 days--in (not-really) homage to the cannonball-run record holding XJS from 1979.
drove her to seattle, skiing in idaho-montana, and then back to the east coast. that, did not suck.
Yeah, Ford made the cars more reliable, increased sales, & the '97 XK8, what an eyesore. I loved working with Jaguar 2000-2003, test driving the entire product line weekly. Reporting my observations in monthly meetings with the President Mike O'Driscoll. Biggest ongoing problem was difficulty balancing the new BBS made 20" wheels with Pirelli tires. 1999 the new XJR was the fastest 4 door sedan made, when I quit my position in early 2003 I bought a '99XJR with 100K miles on it. Loved driving it for 4 years & 40,K miles & sold when gas prices zoomed up.
Not impressed with the new TataJags. Drove a XJRL, rattles & Nav screen is useless. F-type interior is inferior to previous Jags.
I don't buy into that argument. If I had patience, skills, financial means, problem solving skills, electrical know-how etc. I would buy something good like a Ferrari. I don't have any skills so the 996 is perfect for me. I love it.
I'm not knocking Jaguars. If they require that many skills it's not for me.
i think you are buying into my argument.
i already noted that this applies to any complicated automobile.
i'm sure if one had none of these skills, or financial means, one could learn to hate a 308 pretty qiuickly... if they did more than just look at it in the garage.
NB: skills and means hold an inverse relationship here, and financial means includes both the ability to pay for repairs, have a second car for when repairs are necessary, or pay for a newer more reliable car
It's a real shame how little powere they decided to pull out of that V12.
When a 15 year old V6 Accord can blow your doors off, you know you have a slow aaass ride. A friend of line sold his 40K mile convertible ,91 to buy a '99 996. It was nice to look at it but that's about it .
When I decided to sell the 996 I took a long look at the F-type since it was unique.
After the test drive I now know why it is so unique...because they are not selling very many. Good looking and sounds great, but not very nimble and I agree the interior is not that great.
No comparison to the 997 (or the 996 for that matter).
My first car was a 76 XJS, took 2 years but I completely modified every piece on the car and it looked incredible.
They are awesome to drive especially if you get one which has a 350 Chev (someone who has done the conversion like I did) in them instead of the standard v12
guess i'm the guy sticking up for jaguars today.
anyway, yeah... at 260-300hp, the v12 is lacking compared to today's standards for a 5 liter displacement engine, but compared to the 205hp produced by a 5.0 v8 in a 1992 mustang, its not too bad. (no need to discuss the power and displacement of the contemporaneous 964's engine)
its mostly due to emissions restrictions from the 70's-early 80's. i believe stock US hp is rated around 265 or so for the "HE" v12 produced from 81-93 or so, down from the pre-HE motors which were i think closer to 290. (HE for high efficiency.) the euro versions were at 295-305 i believe. and the 6LV12 made it up to 320 or so. don't quote me on these numbers, but they're close.
the real issue with the get up and go on the XJS is the 3 speed auto box + 2.15 differential gearing.
that rear gearing is what makes it slow off the line. it was the manufacturer attempt to reign in mpgs.
as far as the 15 year old v6 honda...
my car is 24 years old, and meant for gt cruising, so i'm not that worried about it being a bit slower off the line. highway speed and acceleration are a different story.
Jaguars have been turds for decades. Trying to blame Ford for Jaguar's woes would be like blaming Obama for...oh, wait. Bad example.
Jags aren't worth the gasoline required to set them on fire. Thankfully, if you just roll down two windows while attempting to adjust the power seat, the fusebox will burst into flame and take care of things...no accelerant required.
No argument that they look nice - and if you tear out all of the original transaxle and replace all the wiring, voila! You now have a car that handles worse than the Corvette you tore the small-block out of.
Horsepower: 237 HP
Curb weight: 4,022 lbs
0-60: February
schnell... surely you're just repeating what you've heard others say and haven't spent much time in one.
for all of their quirks and complicated engineering, the handling and ride quality of the 70's, 80's, 90's jaguars is quite impressive. (havent driven anything more current for significant periods) its no slalom buster, but on country roads or highway speeds its hard to beat. and the jaguar IRS is consistently lauded as one of the best engineered rear systems ever produced.
the february spec is about correct though... see my post above regarding rear diff gearing.
I used to work for Jaguar.Worked on the development of the XJS . Worked for them in the U.S. also. The best guarantee that an owner would love the Jag was a competent mechanic.Often an Indie. Jags are different. Many very good(often older) mechanics simply refused to change their ways to meet the requirements of the car. Most lacked the contacts back in U.K. to know the fixes/upgrades. The emissions parts caused huge problems. It is amazing how well they run without it ! Ask Tullius.
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The Porsche is much the same. Come at it with an attitude of "it's just a car,it's just nuts and bolts" and it is likely a miserable result.
For the record, Ford saved Jaguar and gave the trophy to Tata imho.
One of the cars I grew up with was a Series-3 XJ. It was a complete piece of crap. The gauges bounced, the wires smoked, and when it ran, it ran poorly and smelled of old British people. I spent entire weekends dicking around with those damnable fuses.
Parked next to the Jag was an MG-A roadster with an MGB "racing" motor - quotes because it still wasn't exactly speedy - but everything I hated about that Jag, the MG did right. Well, except for the positive-ground electrical system. That was still pretty damn British.
Every sports car I buy I compare to that MG - the essence of a sports car...low floor, tight steering, manual transmission, and not much else.
I drove that car until (quite literally) the brake linings caught fire. Then I put them out with a garden hose and kept driving it.
The MG was nowhere near reliable enough to use as a DD - but I would happily get rid of either of the cars in my garage to get it back.
I hope they crushed the Jag.
sorry for the confusion,
my last comment was for 5CHN3LL, not schnell.
5CHN3LL, sorry to hear you had a bad experience with the electrical system, and i dont mean to pick a fight, but, as schnell points out in the importance of a good mechanic, you yourself may have undermined the guarantee that you would love the car by spending "entire weekends dicking around with those damnable fuses."
also, comparing an mga to a series 3 xj, is apples and whatever the furthest thing from apples might be. even an mga to an xjs is like comparing a na-miata to a w216 cl mercedes.
jaguar really hasnt manufactured a true sports car since the s2 etype until now with the f. the xjs is by no means a sports car, and the xkr is a gt with bolted on go-fast and tight suspension parts with mixed results.
schnell: glad to hear from another friend of jaguar. and completely agree with your emissions point. my xjs runs without cats and 3in steel tube intakes yet is still likely hampered by that HE head.
As I said to Craig T. Nelson while delivering a new 2000 XKR to him, the XKR is designed for maximum performance without compromising luxury & comfort.
His DD at the time was a 911
I owned one, and arguably the MOST reliable Jaguar ever made. It looked cool, and drove well...OK.
The supercharged straight 6 sounded like ****, had no top end...but it had enormous amounts of torque. Transmission was a 4 speed GM heavy duty truck transmission rated for 10,000 LB trucks. Transmission was slow and it took a miracle to make it down shift.
Being the "MOST" reliable Jaguar ever made, it still had small electrical issues here and there. Climate control screen and radio screens died (common fix), rear light would stick OFF, traction control light would give occasional error. It tramlined like crazy, and that seemed to be the common design flaw with the car's tires/geometry.
Would I own one again? Hell no.
I had a 2000 XJR. One of the most fun cars that I've had and very reliable. The supercharged V8 sounded like a muscle car ingesting bees, simply awesome. No car that comfortable and nice inside should be that fast. I would happily have another.
I understand that our opinions are divergent, but beyond that, I'm afraid I'll continue to dissent with your estimation of the Jaguar, at least the Jag of the 70s and 80s.
The simple act of merely replacing a "fuse" - a solid color-coded piece of ceramic with the element mounted to the exterior of the fuse - was often maddening, since the fuse elements often degraded over time. Merely rotating a fuse in place to determine if it was blown was frequently enough to break the oxidized metal.
The point: the stripped-down roadster was built better and more reliably than the "luxury" Jag.
The brilliant McCafferty brothers were unable to exorcise the demons from that Jaguar, and I can assure you that they were gifted Jag whisperers.
Crappy walnut burl and leather stretched over paperboard just never seemed all that luxurious, the performance was sad, and the reliability...well, Jag's reliability is legendary, right? But a sad, sad legend?
Regardless, it's great to hear that you own/owned a Jag that provided a positive ownership experience.
I totally agree.
XKR is a comfortable car that moves swiftly, especially on the freeway. 996 interior has nothing on the quality of the XKR interior of similar vintage.
eh, the assembly quality of the 2000s jags is not great, nor is material quality. they have some nice touches and LOOK nice, but the plastics are chintzy.
Hi Guys, I think I stirred up a hornets nest lol.
The car I'm hoping to take delivery of on Saturday is a 2011 XKR (510bhp,5 liter supercharged V8).
I'll let you know how its goes. I have a bunch of reasons for the purchase in addition to a the power and torque. I use to work with Jaguar Sport / TWR in the late 80's and early 90's, and as a teenager worked on old Jags XK120's and 50's etc. This included working with Ian Callum (designer of the 2007 + XK) on the XJ220.
Its British as I am so there's a bunch emotional baggage lol so here's to hoping Indian money has helped heal some of the historical woes.
Maybe in an X-type or S-type, both of which were a glorified Ford. The X308 XJR leather, wood, and chrome/aluminum trim quality is superior to anything that came out of Germany in the same era. The British know how to make a beautiful interior.
Spend a good amount of time in various F Types on street and traffic. Just a terrific machine. Now that they are coming out with a manual I could see owning a coupe.
I recently said farewell to Jaguar and hello to Porsche! I intended to stick with Jaguar - I was actually looking for a used XKR when I saw a shiny C4S. If i still had to commute 100 miles round trip on Chicago expressways, I would have stuck with Jaguar. But I don't
The Jag can be entertaining to drive, but can also be pretty effortless, and just get you where you're going. The 996 is always engaging to drive, whether you want it to be or not! While there has not been a time when I wished I got the XKR over the C4S, there have been times when I wished I had one _in addition_ to the Porsche!
bull****.
Put the wood and full leather interior of an S600 w140 or w220 mercedes against the jag and its no contest. The mercedes hold up better, are built better, and feel better.
I love the x308 XJR design inside and out, but assembly quality is no where close.
sorry.
Dat dere would be ABC failure and bump stops position for the suspension. But to slammed crowd that looks sick.
And yes, Sanyata, it is the Moss Beach Distillery.
I love this car specifically this model, I had it as a toy from the series The Saint with Roger Moore, when retirement kicks this one in white would be part of my garage.
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Oh give me a break. Airmatic failures are easy and cheap to repair in almost all cases.
Ohhh, a $260 compressor, oh no, the horror.
not to mention the discussion was about interiors.
dat dere is someone that A) can't read the image location and b) knows very little about mercedes vehicles.
Fact, sit in any or all from this era & compare. For reference of the accepted standard, include a RR or Bentley. My 1999 XJR interior looked great @ 140,000 miles & never had a rattle.
Sorry, still don't agree. Owned two Mercedes products, been in many more. I would give them the edge in assembly quality, that legendary rock solid "bank vault" feel, but I still give the Jag the edge in material perceived luxury. Some of the most sumptuous leather and most nicely finished wood that I've encountered. At 100k the interior in my XJR was like new and free of any rattles or quality issues. Really my only complaints about that car were terrible fold out cup holders and a too small back seat.
Right, all ABC repairs are cheap. You can buy the car for less than the repair.
But yes, the Jaguar interior from that time period is better than the MB. . . and you really should have gone with the E55 comparison to the XJR since they were direct competitors. Also, the E39M5 ended up being superior to both of them.
I'm not a Jaguar person but the one XKR Type-R model that I sat in at an auto show a few years ago stirred the same response as above. The only others that stirred my senses/emotions that much on an interior were in Bentley and Rolls Royces(from a premium luxury perspective, not sporting perspective).
Either way, we need OP to post his car and his impressions.
Still displaying MB ignorance....
There are two distinct suspension systems for those cars. The S430 and 500 came with Airmatic suspension which is as described, pretty standard air springs, easily serviced including a reputable aftermarket company with parts and support.
ABC is Active Body Control and describes a completely different system that utilizes hydraulically controlled shocks to control body motions. THESE components ARE expensive. ABC was fitted to the S600 and S55 AMG models.
The car pictured appears to be an Airmatic car and, as previously mentioned, an easy, inexpensive fix.
The xjr was the flagship large sedan from jaguar.
It uses a plastic dash and door panels and cloth headliner.
The s600 was the flagship large sedan from mercedes. It has a full leather dash and door panels with an alcantara headliner.
I like the trim pieces like the chrome ring around the speakers, but again, comparing leather to plastic?
Drove it back from Chicago this morning. I'm impressed by it don't get me wrong I love it but I don't think its as good a car as a comparable 911. The back seat are even less usable than a 996 due to a lack of headroom. To early to give a true report.
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Congrats! Crank up the heated seats for the next few months.
Yeah, back seat is a joke. I've been in the R a few times with 4 people. It's more of a necessity situation than anything else.
