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I was at the dealer yesterday and they had an '05 GT3 with 9k kms, never tracked...original owner bought it for the looks only but it turned out to be too "harsh" for him.

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I was at the dealer yesterday and they had an '05 GT3 with 9k kms, never tracked...original owner bought it for the looks only but it turned out to be too "harsh" for him.

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POST 1 / ORIGINAL POSTEROriginal post

This car seems to be a GREAT deal!!! 4k miles, 1 owner, nicely optioned 2003 C4S for $57k http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2003-...QQcmdZViewItem With SO MANY people looking at C4S's, this one stands out!! No affiliation, just wanted to pass along.

POST 2Original post

4k on an '03?! Why do people buy these great cars and then never drive them?

POST 3 / ORIGINAL POSTEROriginal post

Ya know, just some old guy with 5 cars. Prolly travels and doesn't have the time to drive it more than every other weekend. It happens with P's, Ferraris, Lambos etc....

POST 4Original post

True, true... I was at the dealer yesterday and they had an '05 GT3 with 9k kms, never tracked...original owner bought it for the looks only but it turned out to be too "harsh" for him. Link

POST 5Original post

I have absolutely NO idea. Price is great, but I'd sure want that car PPI'd before putting a cent down on it. If it seems too good to be true, it usually is.

POST 6 / ORIGINAL POSTEROriginal post

PPI for sure, extended warranty NO QUESTION!! With the title/carfax being clean and NO issues on a one owner, this car is simply a stellar, freaking deal!!! I disagree with what others say, that P's are more likely to have probs when they sit. If properly cared for, oil-changed ever 1.5 years, kept dry (for the most part) engine kept clean etc... and driven on a regular, albeit rare occasion, I think it's like getting a brand-new car. I just don't see evidence that a 4 year old car with 4k miles is likely to have more probs/maintenance costs than if it had 50k miles. There's a reason why they hold their value so strongly with LOW LOW/NO NO miles.

POST 7Original post

Gant - Thank you! Obviously, I agree with your logic. Now remember to support me when comes time for me to sell mine! You just know the miles will be low. Not that I plan to anytime soon, but who knows...

POST 8Original post

To give me a great deal on a car!!! Got my car with zippo miles and half the sticker price. Old guys with too many cars are my fave. Women and young drivers are the ones I mostly steer clear of....either neglected or abused/raced respectively.

POST 9Original post

this has been sitting around for a while man - not necessarily a good thing

POST 10 / ORIGINAL POSTEROriginal post

How do you know it's been sitting around? The person may simply take it out on the weekends for a nice 25 mile drive. He probably took VERY good care of it, just simply didn't drive it everywhere. Minimal wear/tear + one owner car = HUGE bonus for 2nd owner.

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Ya, uhm, no it's not. Its a 2003 with 4k miles, 1 owner, optioned well. Why does everyone think, if you can get any turbo for close to that price, it's a bad deal? You have to compare a Turbo from 2003 with 4k miles and 1 owner, well optioned (similar cars), the turbo will be $80k or more!!!!! Don't you get it?

POST 14 / ORIGINAL POSTEROriginal post

God, I bet a 2004 "thrizzle" with those miles and 1 owner would be $80 to $85k

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No, in fact if the car is what it's advertised to be, an '03 C4S, with 4K miles, very well optioned at <$60K is an absolute steal. That's why it needs to be scrutinized VERY closely.

POST 16Original post

yeah I might have to agree with that to the extent that a dry sump engine does seem like a much better deal when you are coughing up north of $50k. Seeing a Pcar with this kind of mileage seems like a rarity no matter what kind of engine there is inside. So who knows how to fairly price it. But I've seen 02 996TTs going for under $60K with less than 30K miles. If you could live with a tip and some wood trim, saw one go without a single bid on eBay for $55K...tip or not still a spotless beautiful Lapis blue/Tan with BBS for less than a price of new CaymanS or well optioned BoxsterS.

POST 17Original post

Mine's an '04 C4S with less than 2100 miles. First $80K takes it! Seems very fair to me.

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Phil: With all due respect, can not understand why someone will spend significant monies on a car, own it for three to four years, only put 4k miles, then sell it for peanuts. I may may be more understanding if the owner would plan to own it for a longer time and use it only as a recreational vehicle. Things like this actually hurts the resale value of these cars for other owners who may have the exact same car but with more miles. Just my opinion.

POST 19Original post

Yeah, you know, it's more complicated than that. I've put 4500 miles on my car in 18 months (more than Phil, certainly, but then again, we know Phil...), and it's just a hard car to have if you have to move more than one or two people. Plus, in LA, you can't hardly drive the damn thing without traffic. I'm amazed I've put as many miles as I have... It's OK - I'd keep the car just to look at it in the driveway as I pull out in the BMW every day.

POST 20 / ORIGINAL POSTEROriginal post

I thiink what Manny is saying is, it's one thing to get the car and barely drive it, but then; why the hell would he sell it so cheap. The simple answer may be, he can only get $55k trade it on it, and he wants to get a few more G's on the open-market and either doesn't have time to sell it, or doesn't want the headache. Even if it IS worth $65k private-party, he knows it will move fast at $57k Now, as far as buying a nice car, and only putting 1k miles on a year. The buyer may travel, or be driven in a limo to work (in new york) and work LONG hours as a lawer, and just want a Porsche to drive on Sundays for a few hours. If you ask me, this is the smartest way to go, it prolongs the life of the car, keeps the price higher (less depreciation) and the owner still gets to own, drive, look at, enjoy, collect, admire etc...the car, for years to come.

POST 21Original post

I don't know! I guess you'd have to ask Phil G. Hi, Phil!

POST 22Original post

Tim, looks like some folks are asking! You know that for me, it's a thrill to own it and just knowing it's mine to drive on weekends or on a beautiful spring evening does it for me. If that feeling leaves me, I'll unload it. I've had collector cars in the past that I literally drove ~20 miles/year. At least I do drive the 4S - just not much!

POST 23Original post

My 2003 just turned over 7,000 miles and that took some work to get to recently. I think what happens to a lot of folks is a combination of work and the Porsche not being the primary vehicle. Even if you take the car once a weekend, it doesn't add up to a lot of mileage/use.

POST 24Original post

How funny....the seller lives in my town....don't know him. Meanwhile, I bought the identical car, but mine is an '02.....STILL WAITING ON MY DELIVERY. I'll report to you all once It arrives. If anyone wants me to take a peek at this car.....it can't be more than 5 minutes from me. Best, Jon

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