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Replace front tires, yes 225/40/18
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I recently replaced the front tires, yes 225/40/18.
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I have run Conti ExtremeContact Sport AWS on my P2 R Volvo, and they were great.
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I�ve opted to live with 92 seconds instead of 88 seconds so that I can prevent getting stuck in the snow, driving in winter, and not having to change my wheels or tires.
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I have searched, and have yet to find decent material, regarding all-season/A/S tyres year round on a 911. There are some post' on 997 and 991 cars, but very few on 996. So the question is this:
How many of you actually run A/S tyres year round that drive the car as designed? I live in the Rocky Mountains and drive the car often and hard. The tyre is so crucial to good cornering entry and apex traction up here. I do want some use in the winter when the temps are low. My Sumi's go down to 40� safely, but, those days where it is dry and I am out with 30� temps, it would be nice to have a different tyre. If you have experience running the A/S tyre in the summer, and what those feel like comparably to a summer tyre, please let me know. I have run Conti ExtremeContact Sport AWS on my P2 R Volvo, and they were great. But, I feel they may lend themselves to some decent wear on the 911 in the summer and some gummy feelings in the hotter days.
Thanks.
If you want proper performance, go with separate summer and winter rubber (I�d recommend wheels as well as it makes it much easier to change over). All seasons are a compromise in both cases and are meant for soccer moms mini vans - not performance vehicles. Good for thought�
I have to agree with dporto and work, the only real solution is a dedicated winter and summer rim/tire set up. I have had Extreme contacts on my C300 and 944 and I think they are about as good as you are going to get for all-around all season performance, but like dporto said they are a compromise in winter and in summer.
The 996 performs extremely well with snow tires in the snow and cold weather. Be aware that they are available but tough to find. If you see a set on tire rack that fit your rims, grab them asap.
Because of availability, I am contemplating getting a set of the new Michelin Sport 4S which come in 225x40x18 and 285x35x18. They are still at realistic prices since they are new. But I understand that they are not as good in the snow as the Contis, but much better in the warmer climates.
OP,
If you have a C2 I'd consider buying a set of 17" wheels for winter tires. There is a guy in MA that advertised a bunch of wheels for sale (can't remember who it was, so you'll have to search). That way you can get snow tires with a higher sidewall, which will go a long way with handling in the slippery stuff.
Check the tire label inside the fuel door. My car lists both 17 and 18" wheel sizes.
My car doesn't see the light of day in the winter, here in "salty" NH. Salt, potholes, frost heaves - all kinds of mayhem to knock the car out of alignment or bend a rim.
Don't. Get the stock 295/30R18 tires.
To the OP, I have a set of all season tires that I run in the spring and fall. The P Zero AS plus. They aren't as good as my summer tires, but very close. I have pushed them very hard through corners and they have never let me down.
Here in San Diego, where we don�t have a lot of real �weather�, I had great results running the Yokohama Advan Sport A/S tires. Ran sizes 235/40R18 & 285/35R18. As a bonus, the rear tires lasted 27,000+ miles.
2003 C2, no PASM.
I have the continental dws on a few cars over the years they work great and have lasted 20k miles in NY weather
but my new rims have new Michelin AS4 and are stickier then the continental in the dry or cold roads but in light snow the continental are better
but since most of my drive is in NON snow weather I would recommend the Michelin over the continental
but either are great tires you can’t go wrong
I run Michelin AS/3 tires on my car. I�ve taken them on the track, drive year round, and also in the snow. They aren�t going to be good in the snow, but they will keep you from getting stuck in up to 7� of snow.
Absolutely on all fronts. I was hoping someone would chime in with a setup that is not season specific, but I also knew the truth. I have had the car 4 years, and it is about time I bought a second setup. My summers on the replicas and A/S or winters on the others. I have another car for the office days etc in the winter, so it is not crucial. Just those odd days when it is dry and warm enough. I do drive the 911 often. I run 235/40R18 and 295/30R18 for summer, would consider something a bit skinnier for winter specific.
In the end, I know tyre post' have all been talked about, but hopefully this one more direct with 996 feel on the A/S in the summer.
Thanks peeps.
I am running Yokohama Advan Sport A/S year round (18's on stock turbo twists). I live in Illinois about two hours South of St. Louis, and weather wise, we see it all! I drive my 99' year round, and the biggest problem I had with the Michelin Super Sports was below 40F. I am on my second set and have zero complaints. The feel is lighter than the Michelins, but very predictable. In the rain, these are fantastic! And the price is good too. I do agree with everyone else, yes, having dedicated seasonal tires would be great, but.... that is not what I wanted to do. I decided on the Yokohamas over the rest because of past use and I have had no issues, and the specs edged out the other all seasons.
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Excellent info. Yeah, I am not sure I want that floaty feeling, I do get the thing in triple in the middle of nowhere mountains. I'll need to buck up and get the second set wrapped. Thanks for the info. Much appreciated.
Welcome! Maybe not a "floaty" feel, but as a comparison, the Michelins felt heavier, these Yokohamas actually feel more precise, and the tread mileage was double. Hope that helps.
I recently replaced the front tires, yes 225/40/18. Now I have 5-6 left on my 285/30/18 rears and the tires look good. The question is does the 285/35 fit well on the rear, I was also maybe considering going wider with a 295/30. It�s a C2 coupe. Thanks
Glenn, you remember my lap times at Blackhawk Farms Raceway with my stock 99 996 cab on Michelin AS/3�s. I was hitting averages of 1:32 for the better laps without traffic and such. Is that fast? No! However, it was still a blast. How much time do you think just a tire change would make? I know you�ve spent time with a stopwatch there and have a good feel for this.
Let�s say, your sticky track tires versus a max performance street tire, versus my all seasons?
Mike, yeah tires make a huge difference in lap times. To put things in perspective, Blackhawk is a 2 mile 8 turn track.
You were pretty much at the limit at 1.32 on soft AS/3s.
If you went to PS4s you could comfortably shave 3-4 seconds off a lap with a little bit of track time with your car and without a coilover set-up.
Adding a coliover set-up and stickier tires could give you the potential to hit following lap times.
Michellin PS4s 1:26
Michellin Sport Cups 1.24
Toyo Proxies 1.22
Hoosiers. 1.20
Faster times will require a more elaborate suspension set-up than just a street and track coilover, further enhanced driving skills and guts. Things that we all are looking for.
Well, I also wanted folks to see exactly how tire decision affects performance. So for example, if someone really wants to get the most out of their 911, they will always go for the very best tire, but they also have a lot of other choices to make as well: driving skill and education, suspension, brake pads, weight reduction, etc. Shaving 3-4 seconds from a 92-second lap time with just tires is part of the equation. I�ve opted to live with 92 seconds instead of 88 seconds so that I can prevent getting stuck in the snow, driving in winter, and not having to change my wheels or tires. Plus, I live in Chicago where average yearly temps are 50F, and they plow and salt the streets, which is where all seasons thrive. However, I�ve been more focused on driver education. In this regard, I was able to shave more than 4 seconds. I was running 1:50s and 1:40s before getting an instructor to help drive the track more efficiently.
I could arguably also replace my mufflers and battery and probably shave another 80lbs and maybe another 5 tenths. I bet alignment by itself, could save me 5 tenths at the expense of tire life. I�ve gotten now 20,000 miles on the AS/3s and still have plenty to go.
This is all great info. I always, always, choose as best a tyre as I can for the money. Conti's typically my choice. For a direct comparison I chose Sumi's last time out to see how they compared to the previous Conti and Hankook Ventus tyres. They are as good, if not slightly better dry. Regardless, it is amazing how much time can be saved with the right rubber. You do get what you pay for. I cannot speak for Michelins or Pirellis on this car, have not run them. Your ideology behind tyre choice considering lap times is interesting. I am glad I do not currently track my car, thus, a good street tyre for the summer is primary, once again. Thanks for chiming in on this thread. Great info.
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