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YOUR RESEARCHWHEELS ARE HERE!!!!
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This turned out to be more of an issue to get the powder to stick.
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The second issue is the powdercoating process itself.
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The aluminum that is used for casting MOST wheels is A356.
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So who cares....last time a check a crack.....okay i am going to stop now!!
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You need to check your wheels occassionally for cracks and defects, the the thought is that powdercoating can mask problems.
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If you are refinishing you should not powdercoat and when removing existing coatings use the least agressive method possible to remove that coating, and never hot strip.
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your car needs 20" work wheels with rubber band tires, coilovers for a chin scraping stance and make sure you use the right spacers to fill out those wheel wells.
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Okay...1st the story. Found a set of OEM GT3 wheels about 2 weeks ago. Bought them and shipped them here. They were chromed, but I had full intention on getting them powder coated. And...here they are. I just got them back from the powder coater today. What a deal. semi-gloss, hard-shell black done in only a couple days....for $260!!
So if anyone needs a recommendation for a powder coater, have I got the place for you. Not only do they have an awesome shop, they are PCA members!!!
I'll post pics as soon as I get the tires mounted tomorrow morning. I am just loving the look of these!!!!!
(The even powdered my lug bolts for me!!!!
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Both fronts:
Close up...
Doug...seriously, if you or know anyone who needs powder coating done, these folks are great (no affiliation of course)... I was simply REALLY impressed. They were VERY nice to deal with.
Also - they do Cryo treatments on rotors, parts, etc. Great facility.
C.
it's a set of wheels that a hobbyist - as defined by someone who chooses to spend their discretionary funds aka doesn't make $ off "racing" their 911 - (Chad, et al) would get excited about putting on their street cars because 1) it's factory so it fits and you can get a pretty good tire selection 2) it's affordable compared to getting BBS mag wheels like JimB who I believe has a fully race prepped car, but not sure if he makes $ off of his road course prowess.
Like Jim B and others have educated me... wheels are a throw-away expense for the race cars since they get beat up so bad since they are so lightweight. I imagine Chad wants to keep these factory wheels and run them for quite some time since I imagine he doesn't have a sponsorship or whatever to help cover the cost for high-maint race wheels.
Am I off base here?
Huh? Ben? Can't hear ya bud. Speak up...
(it's kinda like a little dog barking in the distance. You hear it occasionally, but ignore the rest of time.)
C.
Powdercoating wheels is not a good idea as the process actually weakens the integrity of the wheel.
Most wheel manufacturers will void the warranty if they don't approve the company performing the work.
Just an FYI.
It looks awesome, but very, very few track guys powdercoat wheels because it makes inspection difficult, if not impossible.
You need to check your wheels occassionally for cracks and defects, the the thought is that powdercoating can mask problems.
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According to AMS-H-6088(SAE specification for the Heat Treatment of Aluminum Alloys) most alloys will not anneal until apprx. 650�F. Powder coatings typically cure at or below 400�F and cure for less than 1 hour.
To be specific, my wheels were cured in an oven at 400�F for 12-15min. These wheels are to be my street wheels anyway, but I would feel comfortable putting them on the track too.
Particularly after reading this information. (see link), sounds like this is an old myth..
http://www.eng-tips.com/viewthread.c...151053&page=10
Good stuff, worth the read.
C.
I wouldn't worry too much about the cracking issue. You're going to be subjecting them to pretty light duty DE usage, and they are after all nice, strong OEM wheels to begin with.
There are a couple issues with powdercoating wheels that were not designed to be powdercoated. One is the stripping process. If a hot strip process is used the temper of the metal is reduced about 50%. The second issue is the powdercoating process itself. Typically the temperature used is 425 degrees sustained for 30 to 40 minutes. This can reduce the temper by 15% or more.
The aluminum that is used for casting MOST wheels is A356. This alloy is typically heat treated to a condition just below T6 and aged to final hardness. If you are going to powdercoat this alloy you should use the powdercoat temp to assist or artifically age the part to final hardness. This can be a little tricky because you cast, heat treat, machine then finish (paint or powdercoat). The aging process takes about 24 hours on its own if I am remembering correctly.
If you heat a part that has already been heat treated and aged to a high enough heat for enough time you start to anneal that part. If you are refinishing you should not powdercoat and when removing existing coatings use the least agressive method possible to remove that coating, and never hot strip. Hot strip is very quick, however it is very hot and will reduce temper by 50% or greater. Forged aluminum wheels are usually made from 6061 also heat treated to T6 (or just below and aged). The same bad stuff happens to this material when it gets hot.
I do not disagree with this at all. Nonetheless, I have seen some wheel failures, and it is very, very ugly. It has made me paranoid. Now, I inspect my wheels, and tires, very, very carefully. Anything that would interefere with this process is an unnecessary risk IMHO.
Again, I think it looks beautiful. I personally would go for the same look but with paint rather than powdercoating, but that's just me.
Great stuff, thanks for sharing this. I was aware of potential issues and asked questions. Also, the wheels I bought were chromed. This turned out to be more of an issue to get the powder to stick. Also, being that the Powder Coater himself is a metallurgist, see here:
http://www.procryo.com/
...he was VERY knowledgable about the process and metals. I spoke at length with him. (Very nice guy, BTW) and he was quite sure everthing would be fine.
In addition to the powder work they do, they also do Cryo treatments and thermal ceremic coatings...they do know their schit. It was my primary reason for selecting them and not an average Powder coating source...
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Thanks Ben...I like them too...
And you are correct, street wheels for the most part. Maybe a DE or two till I find a set for full duty track tires.
C.
I don't like them and you ef'd them up by powder coating them too, should have left them chrome, would have looked siq on your ride.
Sorry brain fart ... they look great Chad
Does anyone else have the feeling that Ben is just some sort of caricature? Maybe a "bot" programmed to say goofy, idiosychratic statements based on MTV cribs or something cheesy like that? Even his expression on his face in his pic, the 1992 tribal tattoo, and the wife beater - it all seems to fit a little TOO well. He isn't real.
I'm down with Ben's chit chat. Makes me laugh...and he calls it as he sees it. Maybe he sees things differently than others here, but you gotta respect the forwardness.
He's the extreme opposite of the "yes" guy.
My 2 cents on B.C.
J.B. (word)
Ben is an STP guy. (STP = "stir the pot") He has been on and off my ignore list a couple of times. Now I just read his posts and take them with a grain of salt.
chad, you are only fooling yourself. your car is not a gt3 and doesn't not deserve gt3 wheels. wake up dude. your car needs 20" work wheels with rubber band tires, coilovers for a chin scraping stance and make sure you use the right spacers to fill out those wheel wells. you will get get tons of street cred with this setup, cuz that's the ONLY thing that counts. trust me, my taste is hell tight and i gotz mad skillz. ya gotta give me props or some rep points for the awesome knowledge i am dropping on you. oh snap, rennlist isn't into rep points/popularity contests. YO
I see ONE HUGE PROBLEMS
with you rims!!---->>>> there are only 3!!!!!
I didn't know that your "hobby"
wheels are for you new Porsche 996 " 3 wheeler!
But I like them.....not saying this because I have to...I understand that no all 996 owner aren't as rich as Ben and we just have to do it like all hobbyist do it : On a budget!!
BUT damn those wheels are going to look great under your P-car...that is if you can find the 4th!!
by the way like sista Whitney Houston once stated:
CRACK IS WACK! So who cares....last time a check a crack.....okay i am going to stop now!! Just had a baby a couple of months ago.
Chad, they look great. Did you say they even powdered your lug bolts? There can't be a lot of places out there that will do that for a guy anymore. Look forward to seeing them on the car...Andy T
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And more than once he's called my car ugly.
I think it's funny when people announce they are putting someone on ignore. I don't need a computer to do my editing for me.
The wheels look nice Chad.
And that was damn funny Karlooz.
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