Anyone for ‘T’ - Page 246 - 911/Carrera GT - PistonHeads UK

Just seen Porsche have just released a 911 T, nice to see its not a limited edition and has all the right bits for the enthusiastic driver, PASM, LSD, manual box with shorter gearing and optional buckets as well. Looks like they have answered all the criticism about only making halo cars no one can actually buy, it will be very interesting to see how well it sells as it probably won’t attract speculators. Anyone going for one ?

If had a NA flat 6 with the R/Gt3 manual box might be interested , also lightly specd with buckets comes to £90k that's a low miles gt4 territory ! Nice idea but don't think they will sell that well so no need to be limited!

Limited by lack of interest ..... end of model "special " ......... Brand Porsche

hunter 66 said: Limited by lack of interest ..... end of model "special " ......... Brand Porsche Funny thing is in 5 years time it will probably be worth twice its list price because its rare and they only managed to find 15 mugs made 15!

Forget adding fluff like RWS, BOSE etc etc and keep it under £90k OTR and it doesn't look a bad package. I'd put the rear seats and PCM back in, and maybe just the interior pack to brighten the cabin up a bit. And floor mats. You can argue all day long a GT4 is a better place for your money but it's a different car - a Cayman not a 911, they are used and at above list price. If you compare apples with apples the T is a 4-seat 911, with a little bit of exclusivity, and if you spec it right - manual, you could have a slightly better than usual (C2/C2S) depreciating 911. And I actually think you could have a bit of fun in it.

hunter 66 said: Limited by lack of interest ..... end of model "special " ......... Brand Porsche I think this will drive brilliantly and it will be worth more than an equivalent £87k Carrera in a few years. The bespoke interior touches, shorter ratios and thinner glass / less sound deadening are all unique to this car. If I had £87k (or finance equiv.) to spend on a new car, this would be it.

I'd buy one if it was NA but sadly that ship has sailed - would just spec buckets and PCCB.

I'd go full buckets, yellow and minimal everything else including omitting the PCM and rear seats. Basic is the idea with this one I think.

SignalGruen said: I'd buy one if it was NA but sadly that ship has sailed - would just spec buckets and PCCB. but then you are back at £95k car when you can spec a manual 991 with buckets and pccb for £87k IN the past Porsche made the CS spec cars to be cheaper to get more sales if people did not want all the luxury. short ratio's, but it's 7 speed and makes peak torque at 1.7k lol As it stands it's a stupid thing Lotus would do. I must be missing something as I cannot work it out atm why you would pay £8k more for this over a standard car. Edited by Porsche911R on Wednesday 25th October 17:57

Porsche911R said: I must be missing something as I cannot work it out atm why you would pay £8k more for this over a standard car. Edited by Porsche911R on Wednesday 25th October 17:57 Spec. for spec. works out £6k more than base car!For less than £82k you can have a nicely specd base 911!

Think this is my ideal spec, Sports buckets - I find these very comfortable and supportive. PCM - so I don’t get lost. Rear seats - so it’s gets used more often Matching seat belts - my one frippery Rear parking sensors - because I can be a muppet sometimes. All in just under £89k. I reckon it may well be more than the sum of its parts just like my Boxster Spyder which would have to go, hopefully funding 50% it, but it would be brand new and more useable weekends. Umm very interested think I need to drive one of these turbo 3 ltrs and see what they are all about but as I put fun factor over outrageous speed it might be just the ticket....

GT4P said: Spec. for spec. works out £6k more than base car!For less than £82k you can have a nicely specd base 911! agree and you are forced to have 20" wheels on the T where you can have 19" on the standard car. the T just seems very pointless.

IMHO this concept may have been better if they placed the power output somewhere between base and S model ie 395hp!

Yes indeed - order placed for one of these as the new daily drive. I think it will be a great drive - I had a good drive in a C2 manual recently and it was great - so this with the lower gearing and LSD, etc should be even better - plus less sound deadening so more of the engine noise - which isn't all that bad either - you can at least tell it's still a 6 cyl engine - whereas the 4 cyl turbo now sounds like a wet raspberry

GT4P said: IMHO this concept may have been better if they placed the power output somewhere between base and S model ie 395hp! Maybe it is tuneable?

I just don't get this car..! I would much rather get a base 991 370hp and add PCCBs and folding buckets for the same price as a bare bones T. What am i missing here..?

I would have Yellow with Full Bucket Seats which adds the alcan steering wheel etc....reinstate the PCM....that would be it. I think that would be a keeper.

GT4P said: Porsche911R said: I must be missing something as I cannot work it out atm why you would pay £8k more for this over a standard car. Edited by Porsche911R on Wednesday 25th October 17:57 Spec. for spec. works out £6k more than base car!For less than £82k you can have a nicely specd base 911! Has anyone worked out the usual cost of extra bits that this new T has over a base 991.2 therefore showing if the T is good or bad value? I mean an itemised breakdown of the cost of the extras that a T has as standard that a base 991.2 does not. I accept there are bits that a T has thrown in for free like the thin glass, lower final drive, the stickers, the dark aluminium trim in the interior and less sound deadening etc etc, but it would be good to see the things like sports exhaust and 20 inch wheels all costed up to allow an accurate price comparison between the T and the base 991.2.

20" wheels and PSE adds just under £3k to base 991.2 Should have added both not really required for the driving dynamics! Edited by GT4P on Wednesday 25th October 21:57

Taffy66 said: I just don't get this car..! I would much rather get a base 991 370hp and add PCCBs and folding buckets for the same price as a bare bones T. What am i missing here..? I think a "T" will hold it's vale much better in the long term than a Carrera or Carrera S specced to the same price. My problem is I think the spec is a bit half arsed....you really need PCCB's and LWB's which are £10k to get really make it feel like a drivers car and then a few other bits (RWS etc) and you're knocking on £100k to get the right spec. I think it'd be a great car specced like that but a bog standard GTS is £95k..... What would really be great would be a "T" with th ducktail from 991.1

It's a great package with some unique features: lightweight glass, 'different' manual box, short stick, side stickers|! Porsche will sell every one easily.

If you could knock off the 20" wheels and the farting exhaust I'd be more keen- two things that don't help the driving experience. It's a shame it's nearly there though, for someone who wants to "drive" a new car with 4 seats. It's still pricey though at 90 odd k. 10 too much compared to a standard c2, or one could have a lightly spec'd S for similar money. Though speccing a manual on the normal carrera's wouldn't be the cleverest for resale.

I'd put the rear seats and PCM back in, and maybe just the interior pack to brighten the cabin up a bit. And floor mats. The weight saving is so minor compared to the standard 911, by the time you put that back in, you are not really achieving much. Porsche realises that we like exclusivity and 'rare' models but personally I just can't see this being a must have car. It doesn't appear stripped out enough to be a 'spider' and the less sound deadening makes little or no difference on the GTS which is no doubt what they have done on this. They cant give it more HP as it will eat into 911S sales perhaps so they have gone for the stripped out drivers car. Ny the time you put the creature comforts back in - it's practically a normal 911 with a different badge on the back. Having said all that, I'll probably love it

anonymous said: [redacted] Poor choice of words from myself../more to accentuate the weight saving...and that’s weight saving in the best possible place.

Well I ordered one on Monday.

I'd agree, that for the 'T' to stand out from the mainstream models, it needs a more focussed spec. Lightness and simplicity would be the key factors - so definitely pccbs and buckets, probably folding, no rear seats, but then judicious care with the luxury options - pcm, cruise, etc. Can it have the 'ducktail'?

SignalGruen said: I'd buy one if it was NA Amen, would then be the pick of the range excluding the GT3s. I'd take one over a GTS, you don't need 450bhp for road fun, in fact that much power with turbo delivery makes it less fun unless you just enjoy hoofing it in a straight line. Edited by Mario149 on Thursday 26th October 08:57

My spec would be like the launch .yellow. with bose , Pcm and rear seats. The interior pack should be std !. If this was 80 rather than 90 i would get one. I think a 718 2.o cayman t would go down really well.... Edited by davidc1 on Thursday 26th October 09:22

Exactly, at 80 it'd be a runner I think. Not that 80 isn't a whole lot of money either!

davidc1 said: My spec would be like the launch .yellow. with bose , Pcm and rear seats. The interior pack should be std !. If this was 80 rather than 90 i would get one. I think a 718 2.o cayman t would go down really well.... er a basic car is £77k and you get the PCM and rear seats on it !!! gives you £3k left to add bose at £1k and £2k change if you fancy the PSE lol just sayin ;-)

ags11 said: Exactly, at 80 it'd be a runner I think. Not that 80 isn't a whole lot of money either! That's the only negative for me - price. Spec wise I think it's ok - it's a T not an S, GTS or GT3. It's an entry level "base" model and should be priced as an entry level base model. Pitching it at the same price as an S makes does take a bit of desirability out of it (for me). http://www.porschepassion.com/911t.htm "The 911T was added to the line up in 1968 as the "Touring" form of the 911. The 911T had the 2.0 liter engine, but with only 110 horsepower. The T was the "base" model, costing 10% less that its more powerful brother, the 911S. As of 1969, the 911T got the 2" lengthening in its wheelbase as did the other 911s. It retained its Weber carburetor while the other 911s received Mechanical FI."

Porsche911R said: er a basic car is £77k and you get the PCM and rear seats on it !!! gives you £3k left to add bose at £1k and £2k change if you fancy the PSE lol just sayin ;-) 911r , The t is 86 list not 77 .pse is std.

Currently would much rather buy a base Carrera and spec it as I please up to aprox £85k. That's unless once the reviews come in & they think that (like the GTS) the small changes like shorter gearing & mech limited slip diff actually create a car that feels drastically different to the base carrera. But v skeptical, especially with such minimal weight-loss & I'd need back seat anyway!

Base car is £78k and T is £86k. T gets thin glass a different front splitter,some stickers and less sound insulation which Imo makes no difference. It also gets 20" inch alloys and PSE which IMHO does not add to the driving experience! That leaves you with only 3 items worth having the sports PASM and close ratio box for your £8k difference!" Forgot the LSD" PCM and rear seats standard on C2 but is a no cost option for T

Koln-RS said: I'd agree, that for the 'T' to stand out from the mainstream models, it needs a more focussed spec. Lightness and simplicity would be the key factors - so definitely pccbs and buckets, probably folding, no rear seats, but then judicious care with the luxury options - pcm, cruise, etc. Can it have the 'ducktail'? No ducktail on 991.2....something to do with the Turbo's and the vents that are low down on the rear of the car.

davidc1 said: 911r , The t is 86 list not 77 .pse is std. I said the base car ie the base 911 in the range at £77k ;-) as the poster said he wants PCM, rear seats etc, So I stated just to buy the base model and save money as it comes with PCM and rear seats any way. the T is too expensive and the spec is not what people want, but they are selling loads so what do I know. shame the CS style of cars is not made any more. I thought the rear seats were standard in the T and you had to have them, only way to have no rear seats was to spec the full buckets. and imo that's not a nice seat. the seating is not clear, but in the press release the T has rear seats. and the rear seat delete happens of you spec full buckets.

Cheib said: No ducktail on 991.2....something to do with the Turbo's and the vents that are low down on the rear of the car. you can spec the 2 cm rear sport design pack for £3k lol

GT4P said: Base car is £78k and T is £86k. T gets thin glass a different front splitter,some stickers and less sound insulation which Imo makes no difference. It also gets 20" inch alloys and PSE which IMHO does not add to the driving experience! That leaves you with only 3 items worth having the sports PASM and close ratio box for your £8k difference!" Forgot the LSD" PCM and rear seats standard on C2 but is a no cost option for T I'd say PSE and less sound deadening def add to the driving experience for a lot of people. Better noise and more of it tends to make a Porsche more enjoyable IME

GT4P said: Base car is £78k and T is £86k. T gets thin glass a different front splitter,some stickers and less sound insulation which Imo makes no difference. It also gets 20" inch alloys and PSE which IMHO does not add to the driving experience! That leaves you with only 3 items worth having the sports PASM and close ratio box for your £8k difference!" Forgot the LSD" PCM and rear seats standard on C2 but is a no cost option for T it's funny that the PCM is a no-cost option on the T, anyone who doesn't choose it (so they can actually get the -20kg) really ought to have then just remove it and stick it on ebay or ask porsche if they can have it in a doggybag

Porsche911R said: I thought the rear seats were standard in the T and you had to have them, only way to have no rear seats was to spec the full buckets. and imo that's not a nice seat. The LWB is not a nice seat? Really? I think they're great, I wish I could have had them in my CGTS.

Twinfan said: The LWB is not a nice seat? Really? I think they're great, I wish I could have had them in my CGTS. I agree that LWB not a nice seat find them very uncomfortable so do many others folding buckets much nicer and can spec. rear seats with this option. You should have specd in your CGts without them what's the point should have got a CS ;) Edited by GT4P on Thursday 26th October 13:16

If I was in the market for a stock 911 then the T would be it for me

Folding buckets sit too high in the cabin for me plus they look old - I don't like them.

Twinfan said: The LWB is not a nice seat? Really? I think they're great, I wish I could have had them in my CGTS. you will notice a lot of people spec the older folding bucket this time round, that's for a reason ;-) the full bucket is far too upright, even to a point 3rd party companies have made brackets to tilt it a bit, also with a helmet on the full bucket is a bit of a fail and not that nice, forcing your head forward !!! it's a very poor design seat imo plus not as tight fitting low down as the folding bucket/ the folding Bucket is really a nice seat, more tilt, and now you can have it heated I have no idea why any one would spend more on the full bucket. Also folding helps you put stuff in the back. Full bucket is good for fat people or people under 5 foot as it has height adjust , but I think it's a poor design. again this is only in my personal opinion, but the flippers will spec the 918 style the keepers the folding lol (this is a joke btw)

Porsche911R said: , but the flippers will spec the 918 style the keepers the folding lol (this is a joke btw) Is this why you went for LWBs in your Gt4 and I went for the folding buckets lol;) Twinfan the folding buckets maybe an old design but the fact you can still spec. on a new car speaks volumes about the seat, IMHO best seat made by Porsche!

GT4P said: Is this why you went for LWBs in your Gt4 and I went for the folding buckets lol;) Twinfan the folding buckets maybe an old design but the fact you can still spec. on a new car speaks volumes about the seat, IMHO best seat made by Porsche! I went for pose value, did not know they would be s t lol might buy a bracket for mine if I end up keeping it, I do like the height adjust so it sits lower than the folding. but future buys I would not spec them again.

Cheib said: No ducktail on 991.2....something to do with the Turbo's and the vents that are low down on the rear of the car. It's to do with the ventilation/cooling for the turbo's as the spoiler also rises when the engine gets above a certain temp. There is not the same problem on the full Turbo as it has the side vents so they can have a spoiler - shame as I like thiem

Just done a configuration on all 911 models all manual box T and Gts only have PSe standard others specd with sports tips the 991.2 I left on 19" wheels all have sports seats plus and RWS is on all models bar base model. 991.2 £82K 991.2 T £90K 991.2S. £94K 991.2Gts £101K The 991.2 looks best value IMHO ! Edited by GT4P on Thursday 26th October 17:16

anonymous said: [redacted] Yes it will

Who said PCM adds 20kg?

Posted on the main thread but no one responded Do people think the T will handle any better than a standard Carrera? ie Will Porsche's boffins have played with the suspension settings for a different state of tune? If so, may we have some expectation that Porsche (once agin) has created something that is greater than the sum of its parts?

Fl0pp3r said: Posted on the main thread but no one responded Do people think the T will handle any better than a standard Carrera? ie Will Porsche's boffins have played with the suspension settings for a different state of tune? If so, may we have some expectation that Porsche (once agin) has created something that is greater than the sum of its parts? Unlikely cos the marketing people would probably have mentioned it. Although it's not unknown for Porsche to improve things and not boast about it!

Fl0pp3r said: Posted on the main thread but no one responded Do people think the T will handle any better than a standard Carrera? ie Will Porsche's boffins have played with the suspension settings for a different state of tune? : It has sports PASM which cannot be ordered on base model. I would have preferred a passive set up like the X73 of say the 981 spyder etc!

GT4P said: It has sports PASM which cannot be ordered on base model. I would have preferred a passive set up like the X73 of say the 981 spyder etc! Quite a few option on the S though sus wise , plus I will take the extra power and bigger brakes. Turbo cars are very easy to use the power due to where the torque is.

If you read last week's Auto Express it presents this rather differently - "Stars of the Future - no.73 - Porsche 911 GT3 Touring Pack....da de da de da.... featuring the existing GT3's rev-hungry 493 bhp naturally aspirated flat-six...most of the GT3's chassis tech, including rear wheel steering, is retained....Porsche will make as many GT3 Touring Packs as it can sell...." I actually got quite excited about this. At last a 911 you would want to buy and can. Need to get on the phone to Oracle. But it seems I forgot, Porsche only sell that sort of stuff to Chris Harris. Instead we get palmed off with this poor tat. As far as I am concerned they can stick it along with their other farting wonders and all their reheated Touaregs. I am finished with the good doctor and will source my high performance cars elsewhere in future.

Porsche911R said: the full bucket is far too upright, even to a point 3rd party companies have made brackets to tilt it a bit, also with a helmet on the full bucket is a bit of a fail and not that nice, forcing your head forward !!! it's a very poor design seat imo plus not as tight fitting low down as the folding bucket/ the folding Bucket is really a nice seat, more tilt, and now you can have it heated I have no idea why any one would spend more on the full bucket. Also folding helps you put stuff in the back. Full bucket is good for fat people or people under 5 foot as it has height adjust , but I think it's a poor design. again this is only in my personal opinion, but the flippers will spec the 918 style the keepers the folding lol (this is a joke btw) Have you checked your posture? They'll feel too upright if you are not used to a good seating position.

I wouldn't buy a sports car unless it had full bucket seats. If you want to optimise you driving position, there's only one way to sit - as low and upright as possible, close to the steering wheel and completely relaxed. that position will hold your body exactly where it needs to be and allow you to be fully relaxed. If you are not, you are doing something wrong. Driving position and posture is the first thing to get right if you are going to drive the car at speed. Rob Wilson is probably one of the very best racing instructors in the world. If he saw a driver tilted back in his seat and more than 18inches to 2 feet away from the wheel, he wouldn't even bother to get in the car 'if you don't even know how to sit in the bloody thing mate, you don't need me yet'..

Oops, forgot to say - if I were in the market for a new 911 DD, I'd be looking at a 991T first. I think that it will be a car far greater than the sum of its parts

theRossatron said: Have you checked your posture? They'll feel too upright if you are not used to a good seating position. sitting in a car for 1/2 a day is not like sitting on a chair for dinner. the full bucket is to upright, it puts to much pressure on your pelvis and you tend to rock about on your pelvis, the seat also forces your head to look down esp if you have a helmet on ! The torso weight bears down on the spine and the seat pushes the base of the pelvis up, the pelvis becomes a lever bending the spine forwards and distorting it. The results are strained ligaments and compressed intervertebral discs. causing back issues. people try and fix this on normal seats with lumbar support but a bad adjusted lumbar support will increased the disc pressure even more :-( every one I know with lumbar adjust turns it up too much !!! worse thing you can do !! you should have even pressure on your back when sitting in a car, the full buckets does not allow this, it's very close as the folding bucket does and looking with the naked eye they look the same. this is nothing like sitting a on a chair for dinner as you tend to not rock about like you would in a car. if there were no issue there would not be a company making brackets to tilt it . Dull chronic backache is a killer in the service world and misadjusted seats is 3/4 of the issues when people are doing 40k miles PA. in the full bucket you are like this which is an added issue for a GT car !!!

Can't agree. I'm 6 feet 2 and 15 stone and have been strapping myself into Bucket seats for years. If I have to sit in an adjustable bucket seat, it's adjusted to the same angle as a fixed bucket because it's the most comfortable. Theres a reason why GT race seats are all basically the same shape. The driver must be held in the most comfortable and efficient driving position while he or she go about their work. It may not be comfortable for you, but it is for the majority and certainly for drivers that do the job for a living. Edited by Steve Rance on Friday 27th October 15:34

Steve Rance said: Can't agree. I'm 6 feet 2 and 15 stone and have been strapping myself into Bucket seats for years. If I have to sit in an adjustable bucket seat, it's adjusted to the same angle as a fixed bucket. There's a reason why GT race seats are all basically the same shape. The driver must be held in the most comfortable and efficient driving position. It may not be comfortable for you, but it is the best position and one that all drivers that do the job for a living will insist on have you been in a 918 style seat for 3 hours ? is it even a TUV approved race seat ! I doubt it. I have had the 996 GT3 seats, very very nice seats to sit in, the real GT range again nice but maybe too tight for you they are very thin for a 15 stone person, they are tight on me at 11 stone. the folding bucket perfect for a lot of people hence a lot of people switching back., Recaro pole's perfect again , can sit in those for hours. 918 style buckets not nice ;-) I am not slagging off bucket seats I can do the Ring to Leicester in my folding buckets with no stop !

anonymous said: [redacted] We all know this deflection style of post now, it's a major fail now I have pointed it out to people, jog on.

Porsche911R said: have you been in a 918 style seat for 3 hours ? is it even a TUV approved race seat ! I doubt it. I have had the 996 GT3 seats, very very nice seats to sit in, the real GT range again nice but maybe too tight for you they are very thin for a 15 stone person, they are tight on me at 11 stone. the folding bucket perfect for a lot of people hence a lot of people switching back., Recaro pole's perfect again , can sit in those for hours. 918 style buckets not nice ;-) I am not slagging off bucket seats I can do the Ring to Leicester in my folding buckets with no stop ! Understood. I thought that all porsche fixed buckets were the same. On saying that the GT4's that I drove had fixed buckets and I found them fine. 34" waste so I fit in most seats

So played around with the configurator(PJ3QLA98) down to £88k. Got me thinking all 991.2 engines are same mechanicals so not too hard or expensive to increase hp and end up with better car than Gts for less money

GT4P said: So played around with the configurator(PJ3QLA98) down to £88k. Got me thinking all 991.2 engines are same mechanicals so not too hard or expensive to increase hp and end up with better car than Gts for less money And lose your warranty, it's not worth it.

Steve Rance said: Oops, forgot to say - if I were in the market for a new 911 DD, I'd be looking at a 991T first. I think that it will be a car far greater than the sum of its parts I agree...it's a very interesting proposition.

Again I agree, mainly for the ethos and less sound deadening. Would prefer the 6 speed but woudl be happy with 7 if 7 is an overdrive gear.. Should be a nice car, could do with slightly thinner tyres...

I like the concept of the T and think it's a good idea, I don't think it would work on the 'S' as it would eat into the GTS Odets which is also stated as a sum greater than the value of its parts. The one thing I feel would genuinly make it into a special car is if they really stripped it out properly and went to town on it as a back to basics car, that would sell like hot cakes I suspect As it is, by the time you put your creature comforts back in - you are pretty much back to where you started. To keep it closer to the original, they should limit the options list. The thought of a base GT3 type car would really interest me.

Frrair said: Just seen Porsche have just released a 911 T, nice to see its not a limited edition and has all the right bits for the enthusiastic driver, PASM, LSD, manual box with shorter gearing and optional buckets as well. Looks like they have answered all the criticism about only making halo cars no one can actually buy, it will be very interesting to see how well it sells as it probably won’t attract speculators. Anyone going for one ? Is this not just a cynical ploy to charge a premium for a vanilla 911 with a few simple bolt ons? A real Porsche 911 has an NA engine. They do cars like that of course but they won't sell them to the likes of us. This is just another very good no doubt stockbrokers car, like all the turbo units, and nothing to get excited about. If you want a turbo sports, the best is the McLaren, not even in debate. If you want NA it's looking like the Huracan, which conveniently is upping it's game.

cardigankid said: Is this not just a cynical ploy to charge a premium for a vanilla 911 with a few simple bolt ons? A real Porsche 911 has an NA engine. They do cars like that of course but they won't sell them to the likes of us. This is just another very good no doubt stockbrokers car, like all the turbo units, and nothing to get excited about. If you want a turbo sports, the best is the McLaren, not even in debate. If you want NA it's looking like the Huracan, which conveniently is upping it's game. The T is a re-mixing of the ingredients. A new recipe if you like. We have yet to drive it so we don't know if it's a success but the signs are encouraging. Porsche has been building turbo road cars since 1975 - that's 42 years. They are very real and here to stay. We have to accept this, just as we did when Porsche went water-cooled, and move on. No one is going to be considering £150k Huracan v £150k McLaren v £80k T.

WizzBang said: No one is going to be considering £150k Huracan v £150k McLaren v £80k T. Actually it’s going through my mind. I am one of many who is after a 991.2 GT3 but it seems unlikely to happen; not enough Cayennes, Turbos etc in my buying history. I have a 997.2 GT3 which I like, but I tend to rotate through cars as part of the enjoyment of car ownership. If the new GT3 isn’t to be then I’m pondering a Macca 570. I’ve thought about a GT4 and the new T sounded interesting too. I’ve also thought about a Vantage V12 and even saw a black 8C (but it sold super quickly before I had a chance to get excited!). I know they’re all relatively different prices and have different strengths and weaknesses, but I am running a one in one out policy these days, rather than rounding out a portfolio, and hence Im not looking for any one thing such as a GT or track day monster and so on.

200 units for the UK......

Steve Rance said: Oops, forgot to say - if I were in the market for a new 911 DD, I'd be looking at a 991T first. I think that it will be a car far greater than the sum of its parts This is what I'm thinking Steve - Porsche has previous with improving certain specials beyond what the basic spec sheet says. Whether that's suspension tuning or whatever...(thinking eg 996 C4S, 997 GTS). We shall see!

In my original plan for 2017, I would have been due to make a decision on what to do about my 981 Cayman GTS at around this time Oct/Nov..... and this 911 T would have probably been a car I would have taken a serious look at to replace the GTS as the one car to do it all. As it turned out.. an off chance visit to my OPC in March resulted in me buying a GT4 on the spot which I've been thoroughly enjoying - was at PEC last week with PCGB... and I acquired a Mk7.5 Golf GTD for mundane duties. But I have to say... this 911 T has got me looking sideways....I must be such an easy target for Porsche Marketing.

Selling like hot cakes... my OPC done 9 deposits so far. I'm not surprised tbh - it'll be a fun car (PDK a no no) with very minimal depreciation. One thing I think will appeal as well is this car doesn't need much money spent on extras so if you keep it to £90k or under it'll work out quite cheap on a monthly payment as 911's (especially anything a little bit different) have big GFV's. Poverty spec is wise spec.

Jacko.1 said: GT4P said: So played around with the configurator(PJ3QLA98) down to £88k. Got me thinking all 991.2 engines are same mechanicals so not too hard or expensive to increase hp and end up with better car than Gts for less money And lose your warranty, it's not worth it. Once the 3 year warranty is done, I think I'll get the techart remap for my 991.2 manual and uprate the front rotors and calipers to create GTS performance. I agree that the engine is designed for it. Porsche have just varied the turbo impeller size fractionally between the carrera models so that they can claim there is a mechanical difference between the cars. I'm not a fan of alcantara anyway to be honest.

Poverty spec is wise spec. [/quote] I think you are spot on, too many extras brings it back to a base 911. If I were looking at one, I would keep it lean to keep it close to its ended set up

Yup, agree completely. My Porsche Code is PJFINDP2 Ordered mine on Wednesday evening. Very excited indeed, my first every built to order Porsche. Believe I am second in the queue at my friendly local Porsche Centre but that they have 5 orders already. This will be a superb all rounder.

rob.kellock said: Yup, agree completely. My Porsche Code is PJFINDP2 Ordered mine on Wednesday evening. Very excited indeed, my first every built to order Porsche. Believe I am second in the queue at my friendly local Porsche Centre but that they have 5 orders already. This will be a superb all rounder. Congratulations, I hope the experience is one you will keep forever. Great news.

Thanks, that’s kind.

Phooey said: Selling like hot cakes... my OPC done 9 deposits so far. I'm not surprised tbh - it'll be a fun car (PDK a no no) with very minimal depreciation. One thing I think will appeal as well is this car doesn't need much money spent on extras so if you keep it to £90k or under it'll work out quite cheap on a monthly payment as 911's (especially anything a little bit different) have big GFV's. Poverty spec is wise spec. Do you think so depreciation wise? I dunno, it's not that long until the "new" 911, which will probably have improved epas etc, & maybe a T model earlier on? Having said that I'm considering one to replace a GT4, the rear seats are a big advantage.

ags11 said: Do you think so depreciation wise? I dunno, it's not that long until the "new" 911, which will probably have improved epas etc, & maybe a T model earlier on? Having said that I'm considering one to replace a GT4, the rear seats are a big advantage. Next 911 unlikely to arrive before 2019

ags11 said: Do you think so depreciation wise? Yes, solid. Congrats Rob!

rob.kellock said: Yup, agree completely. My Porsche Code is PJFINDP2 Ordered mine on Wednesday evening. Very excited indeed, my first every built to order Porsche. Believe I am second in the queue at my friendly local Porsche Centre but that they have 5 orders already. This will be a superb all rounder. Looking forward to seeing it Rob

You and me both! As the saying goes, you are here for a good time, not a long time.

Just had a play on the Porsche site and could not make the finance calculator work on any model, in any configuration - so without a Scooby what would be involved I'll park that idea.

WizzBang said: The T is a re-mixing of the ingredients. A new recipe if you like. We have yet to drive it so we don't know if it's a success but the signs are encouraging. Porsche has been building turbo road cars since 1975 - that's 42 years. They are very real and here to stay. We have to accept this, just as we did when Porsche went water-cooled, and move on. No one is going to be considering £150k Huracan v £150k McLaren v £80k T. Yes they have been building turbos for 42 years as a top of the range bragging rights edition for those who have plenty of money, like showing off their acceleration up motorway slip roads and having 4WD for safety but don't know much about Porsches. Most have been NA. The best thing anyone said to me about a Porsche I was driving was 'it howls like a wolf'. So it did, it was one of the most exhilarating cars I have ever driven. The current lot are very well constructed and highly competent but they don't howl, they fart like dyspeptic heifers and why anyone would want one beats me. My last Porsche, and it will be my last, was a 981 GTS 6 cylinder NA which was brilliant. Not sure why everyone is going on about residual values. The only ones worth having and which really will hold their value are the ones they won't sell you or me. Anyone who is considering a GT3 but can't get one is going to be considering a McLaren, I am, and also the Huracan. Anyone who is considering a 911T should be thinking about the new AM Vantage, Mercedes AMG GT, or a BMW M car because the 911 just doesn't have what it once did, though I grant you they have become brilliant badge engineers. One reason they are the most profitable car company in the world. The other is that they can sell con tricks like the 911T.

cardigankid said: Anyone who is considering a GT3 but can't get one is going to be considering a McLaren, I am, and also the Huracan. Anyone who is considering a 911T should be thinking about the new AM Vantage, Mercedes AMG GT, or a BMW M car because the 911 just doesn't have what it once did, BMW M cars don't have what they once did either....they used to be head and shoulders above the competition but not any more. The engine on the current M3/4 just sounds utterly s t at idle....I really couldn't believe how bad it was when I first heard it. I then drove one on a country road and f k me it was shocking. That was a couple of years ago and I understand they've improved the chassis but that wouldn't be difficult.

cardigankid said: Yes they have been building turbos for 42 years as a top of the range bragging rights edition for those who have plenty of money, like showing off their acceleration up motorway slip roads and having 4WD for safety but don't know much about Porsches. Most have been NA. The best thing anyone said to me about a Porsche I was driving was 'it howls like a wolf'. So it did, it was one of the most exhilarating cars I have ever driven. The current lot are very well constructed and highly competent but they don't howl, they fart like dyspeptic heifers and why anyone would want one beats me. My last Porsche, and it will be my last, was a 981 GTS 6 cylinder NA which was brilliant. Not sure why everyone is going on about residual values. The only ones worth having and which really will hold their value are the ones they won't sell you or me. Anyone who is considering a GT3 but can't get one is going to be considering a McLaren, I am, and also the Huracan. Anyone who is considering a 911T should be thinking about the new AM Vantage, Mercedes AMG GT, or a BMW M car because the 911 just doesn't have what it once did, though I grant you they have become brilliant badge engineers. One reason they are the most profitable car company in the world. The other is that they can sell con tricks like the 911T. Sounds a bit sour grapes. Porsche are pretty much top of the game atm.

Apart from having a functional website.

cardigankid said: The best thing anyone said to me about a Porsche I was driving was 'it howls like a wolf'... You're absolutely correct in that it makes a terrific noise! At 5k, 6k, 7k it gets better and better. But, I DD my car, 2 hours daily commute - amount of time spent in the sweet range = a few mins, if that. I had hoped for a GT3 allocation to replace my 991.1 GTS but it's not to be for the same reason as everyone else. Rather reluctantly, I agreed to take a 991.2 GTS demo car with its 'farting' motor for couple of days, and have been comparing over yesterday and today. Back to back: 3.8na v 3.0t. Against my expectations, and forgive me if this is heresy, I was blown away by the 3.0t. The torque is incredible and available much, much earlier than in the 3.8na. Bags of torque nearly all of the time. The low to mid range surge was 'wow' and just not there in the 3.8na. It more than made up for the loss of howl. And the 3.0t didn't sound that bad either. Not as good as na, but not terrible. I've lined up a test of the base 3.0t, as in the 'T' spec, just to make sure before I put my T order in. The lowly T motor produces more torque than the 991.1 GTS 3.8na does, and it does it at just 1,700 rpm versus 5,600 rpm. Different sort of driving, different favour of fun. The T should be great for me.

Cheib said: cardigankid said: Anyone who is considering a GT3 but can't get one is going to be considering a McLaren, I am, and also the Huracan. Anyone who is considering a 911T should be thinking about the new AM Vantage, Mercedes AMG GT, or a BMW M car because the 911 just doesn't have what it once did, BMW M cars don't have what they once did either....they used to be head and shoulders above the competition but not any more. The engine on the current M3/4 just sounds utterly s t at idle....I really couldn't believe how bad it was when I first heard it. I then drove one on a country road and f k me it was shocking. That was a couple of years ago and I understand they've improved the chassis but that wouldn't be difficult. I was a real M3 fan and had both 6 and 8 cylinder engines and loved them both. Took the latest M4 out for a spin and really didn't like it at all. Hated the sound, drove with a sudden rush of torque and then fizzled out at the top end - totally uninspiring and so boring to me. I agree the 991.2 is not as involving as the 991.1 but they are still a cracking machine. What can you compare it to at the same money. Audi A8, Maclaren, Ferrari, Hurricane they are all a lot more money. Don't know about Aston's and whilst they look nice, I have never compared them in the same ball park as a 911, not even close. I challenge you to find me a new £90k premium sports car that's as good as a 991.2, (GTR perhaps!)

Jacko.1 said: I was a real M3 fan and had both 6 and 8 cylinder engines and loved them both. Took the latest M4 out for a spin and really didn't like it at all. Hated the sound, drove with a sudden rush of torque and then fizzled out at the top end - totally uninspiring and so boring to me. I agree the 991.2 is not as involving as the 991.1 !) 991.1 is not really that involving plus it has the worse eps gen 1 system, with the worse tyres known to man the N0 p zero ! I have driven most, happy to hand them back after 1/2 a day dull as f k IMO. I also ran a CSL and the V8 comp pack, both great engines, both 1/2 the price of a new basic porker lol and neither understeer and had real steering feel. The hype on the RS and GT3 models is selling the other stuff :-( The T feels like is it picking up GT3 failed orders, it’s very clever marketing. The same people who would never buy a basic 911 have all of a sudden ordered a T for more money !

Dammit said: Apart from having a functional website. They will be busy jacking up the interest rates on the pcp deals. Normal service will be resumed soon.....

Quote - The hype on the RS and GT3 models is selling the other stuff :-( The T feels like is it picking up GT3 failed orders, it’s very clever marketing. The same people who would never buy a basic 911 have all of a sudden ordered a T for more money ! End quote. The GTS is picking up the failed GT3 orders. AMG's have great engines, I traded in a Macan for a twin turbo C63 and loved it - until the ground was even slightly damp or a corner was approaching, I literally sh t myself and sold it when I exited a roundabout backwards!!!! I agree on the marketing by Porsche, it's brilliant and most of us (including myself) buy into it. Whilst turbo's, hybrid and downsizing is creeping into all sports cars, it's the regulations rather than the manufacturers that are forcing it- true petrol heads hate it, tree huggers are all for it so personally I am grateful that despite the regulations, companies like Porsche still produce fantastic sports cars with devastating point to point abilities. It's an aspiration to buy a 911 for many people and regardless of whether it's an S, T or GT3, they are all perfect to the people that are lucky enough to own one [/quote] Edited by Jacko.1 on Sunday 29th October 08:54

I tend to agree the T is picking up potential GT3 buyers. I've been chasing after a Touring, I'll be pleasantly surprised if I get one. I drove a GTS, I wasn't that keen,it being so close to GT3 money. Without upsetting anyone, I felt it was a middle aged fat cat cruiser. Oddly though the T attracts me! Is it clever marketing? Or is more or less? I dunno!! It's certainly a much more attractive concept,if nothing else.

Phooey said: Sounds a bit sour grapes. Porsche are pretty much top of the game atm. It totally is sour grapes. I'm not saying that it's a bad car, but if we are now going turbo here are others which are just as good or better. However, as a matter of principle I am not going to buy a car from a company which won't sell me the one I actually want. You might as well drive around with a sticker reading 'Couldn't get a GT3'. I also find the exhaust noise both annoying and embarrassing.

Jacko.1 said: The GTS is picking up the failed GT3 orders. AMG's have great engines, I traded in a Macan for a twin turbo C63 and loved it - until the ground was even slightly damp or a corner was approaching, I literally sh t myself and sold it when I exited a roundabout backwards!!!! I agree on the marketing by Porsche, it's brilliant and most of us (including myself) buy into it. Whilst turbo's, hybrid and downsizing is creeping into all sports cars, it's the regulations rather than the manufacturers that are forcing it- true petrol heads hate it, tree huggers are all for it so personally I am grateful that despite the regulations, companies like Porsche still produce fantastic sports cars with devastating point to point abilities. It's an aspiration to buy a 911 for many people and regardless of whether it's an S, T or GT3, they are all perfect to the people that are lucky enough to own one ] The GTS was launched 1st and is a standard model has nothing to do with GT3 clients. The T is being launched just as most people fail to secure a GT3 and it’s selling like hot cakes. This is how marketing works. Timing is key, all the T owners would never buy a basic 911 and that’s all it is ? It still even got the 7 speed box, not even the new 6 speed unit. Stuff like my R and GT4 are the best cars in the range at the time, my Spyder took 80kg weight out ! in the past CS packs were to bring the cost of the cars down and offer less kit, so Porsche badged them as more sporty stripped out models but they did cost LESS. The T is a gimmick picking up Failed GT3 orders and charging more for a base car with very little exciting done to it, 20kg is s t and 99% sales will opt the pcm back in. The cars still a fat lump and 100kg more than a GT4. Short ratio gimmick in a car with peak toque at 1700 revs and 7 speed b ks. Again a market trick off the back of the GT3 shorter ratio. Lower sus is just the GTS unit. So all you gain is 2 kg with some lighter glass ! And pay £8k for a pse :-) Stuck with the 20” wheels also. GTS is a far nicer car imo and with the GTS you get all the sus options if you want the sports set up plus larger brakes and more power. The S is just about the same price ! Any one buying a rear seat delete one over a GT4 needs their heads looking at ! If you want the back seats buy the old 3.8 GTS or the new GTS if you like Turbo's. Or the S at the same price ! The T is how GT3 halo products sell normal cars. No one liked tubro's a few months back lol no one ever bought base 911 models either, it’s always go for the S if you can. Now people are queing up to pay more for a base model 911 turbo engine 7 speed with a gaping hole in the dash most people will fill. Makes me sad. Give it 6 speeds take 100kg out, put GT4 brakes on it and the GT3 adjustable sus, maybe I’ll take a look. Still a parts bin car but one worth a look. I am not saying it a bad car you must understand, it will drive great I would say , it’s just a marketing one. Edited by Porsche911R on Sunday 29th October 09:49

The farty stuff is horrid IMHO any why anyone would want this is beyond me. The low down torque is great in an SUV but in a sports car I prefer the rush and howl from homing in on 9000 Rpm any day of the week.

cardigankid said: It totally is sour grapes. I'm not saying that it's a bad car, but if we are now going turbo here are others which are just as good or better. However, as a matter of principle I am not going to buy a car from a company which won't sell me the one I actually want. You might as well drive around with a sticker reading 'Couldn't get a GT3'. I also find the exhaust noise both annoying and embarrassing. I'll give you the exhaust note being s t. Although, I actually thought it didn't sound too bad on the PDK 991.2 GTS I drove - but I might of not turned it on - can't remember. It sounded ok and much much better than a turbo Boxster I also recently borrowed - that was embarrassing. Either way none are as good as the NA 3.8 - but that's a thing of the past and we have to move on. I was one of those that found it hard to accept the 3.0 turbo unit when it was first released, but as we are seeing from the GTS (and more than likely the T) they are getting better. As for the competition - If you take the £85k 991T, and compare apples to apples (new car - 4 seater - premium brand) I am unable to think of a genuine rival. Lots of quick cars for £70-90k that would keep with or beat a 991 off the traffic lights.. but as 99% of road tests conclude - the 911 is the better car. The M3/4 CS sounds interesting... but £86k?? Also not forgetting Porsche still gives us the manual gearbox. I think you really need to increase the budget to find a genuine rival to the modern 911. Even the £147k top of the range Turbo S is untouchable for what it is at the price it is.

Been looking to get myself a GT3 for some time, now in the position to be able to afford a 997.1/2 GT3. However I am very tempted by the Carrera T, it's the same price for a new car as opposed to a 7-10 year old car. What are people opinions on this, go for an older GT3 or go for the Carrera T? This is the code for my chosen spec PJVQJ241 The car will be solely used for weekend driving and it's all about the driving experience for me, hence why I've been looking at GT3s. Just to point out this will be my first porsche, so I have no pre conceived ideas.

Dr S said: The farty stuff is horrid IMHO any why anyone would want this is beyond me. The low down torque is great in an SUV but in a sports car I prefer the rush and howl from homing in on 9000 Rpm any day of the week. Turbo cars have a good following due to how usable they are. So while I cannot see the point in this T model, it’s not down to it being a turbo, that’s just a personal choice. Torque wins races, look at the shorter ratio more torque GT3 and the new GT2 RS ring record. I agree that Fart box over run seems a rich mans chav fad and is dire mind you. But I like turbo's eps on today’s roads where overtaking is now harder due to how people drive.

Bmdub said: Been looking to get myself a GT3 for some time, now in the position to be able to afford a 997.1/2 GT3. However I am very tempted by the Carrera T, it's the same price for a new car as opposed to a 7-10 year old car. What are people opinions on this, go for an older GT3 or go for the Carrera T? This is the code for my chosen spec PJVQJ241 The car will be solely used for weekend driving and it's all about the driving experience for me, hence why I've been looking at GT3s. Just to point out this will be my first porsche, so I have no pre conceived ideas. Boxster Spyder 987.2 for a weekend use and driving experience. You have chosen 2 extremes with an old GT3 or a turbo 911, neither of which fits your remit imo.

Bmdub said: Been looking to get myself a GT3 for some time, now in the position to be able to afford a 997.1/2 GT3. However I am very tempted by the Carrera T, it's the same price for a new car as opposed to a 7-10 year old car. What are people opinions on this, go for an older GT3 or go for the Carrera T? This is the code for my chosen spec PJVQJ241 The car will be solely used for weekend driving and it's all about the driving experience for me, hence why I've been looking at GT3s. Just to point out this will be my first porsche, so I have no pre conceived ideas. I do think a properly spec'd 'T' will be more usable and just as much fun. The 997GT3 will have a, arguably, better engine, and might be more 'collectable' but you'd have to keep the mileage low if that's the priority. If a 'T' is your first Porsche, it's not a bad choice and it would serve your purposes.

Koln-RS said: I do think a properly spec'd 'T' will be more usable and just as much fun. The 997GT3 will have a, arguably, better engine, and might be more 'collectable' but you'd have to keep the mileage low if that's the priority. If a 'T' is your first Porsche, it's not a bad choice and it would serve your purposes. So would the base model and £8k in your pocket :-) or upgrade to the S for the same money give or take. GT4 , 997 GTS, Cayman R, Boxster Spyder old or new model, 991.1 GTS , basic 997.2 S If you want pork, or a Exige Sport 380 as an outside the brand weekend choice. All better and more fun than the op choice imo :-) for a week end car all will hold value also.

Koln-RS said: I do think a properly spec'd 'T' will be more usable and just as much fun. The 997GT3 will have a, arguably, better engine, and might be more 'collectable' but you'd have to keep the mileage low if that's the priority. If a 'T' is your first Porsche, it's not a bad choice and it would serve your purposes. Thanks for your advice, it's a tricky one because I've wanted a gt3 for as long as I can remember, I like the stripped back rawness of it and that is what is appealing about the 'T'. Got a test drive in a standard carrera tomorrow to get an idea, as I am also only used to driving a N/A M3.

The new 911T has been a slow burner for me. At first I was really excited then deflated. I did not think Porsche would offer a detuned GT engine but I did think they would offer the GT gearbox. When I found out it was a "normal" manual transmission attached to a normal engine I was disappointed. However the more I have read and looked into the 911 T the more I am interested. Firstly I like how it has less sound deadening and lighter windows. I like how the suspension sits 20mm lower and tuned for the roads. I like how you can spec the car with GT options and I like how it looks like a 911R & GT3 Touring for a lot less money at list price not even taking into consideration flippers prices. I have read people saying once you spec a 911T it it getting close to GT3 money but you would not buy a standard GT3! If you spec a GT3 the way you want it it becomes a £125-130k car easily. I look forward to watching and reading some reviews of the 911T.

[quote=Porsche911R] The GTS was launched 1st and is a standard model has nothing to do with GT3 clients. If you look at the forums on here, a lot of GTS buyers are ones that cannot get into a GT3, whichever way you look at it, the car marketed and considered below the GT3 is the GTS. When I couldn't get into a GT3, the first thing the salesman said was 'how about a GTS' and Porsche want us to consider it as such. The fact that it is not even close to it is sad. It perhaps a fairer description is a GTS light!

Bmdub said: Been looking to get myself a GT3 for some time, now in the position to be able to afford a 997.1/2 GT3. However I am very tempted by the Carrera T, it's the same price for a new car as opposed to a 7-10 year old car. What are people opinions on this, go for an older GT3 or go for the Carrera T? This is the code for my chosen spec PJVQJ241 The car will be solely used for weekend driving and it's all about the driving experience for me, hence why I've been looking at GT3s. Just to point out this will be my first porsche, so I have no pre conceived ideas. Sorry but you just cannot compare a base 911T to any GT3, they are so different in character, drive and sound. The GT3 is an animal, I consider the 911T to a Mazda MX5 - I know they are different price points etc but the MX5 is a true drivers car

Koln-RS said: I do think a properly spec'd 'T' will be more usable and just as much fun. The 997GT3 will have a, arguably, better engine, and might be more 'collectable' but you'd have to keep the mileage low if that's the priority. If a 'T' is your first Porsche, it's not a bad choice and it would serve your purposes. Thanks for your advice, it's a tricky one because I've wanted a gt3 for as long as I can remember, I like the stripped back rawness of it and that is what is appealing about the 'T'. Got a test drive in a standard carrera tomorrow to get an idea, as I am also only used to driving a N/A M3.

if you spec it with light-weight buckets (also meaning no rear seats), PCCBs and no PCM then that's a fair wad of weight to be lost. include rear-wheel steering you'd be looking at a £100k build. lightest 991.2 you can get though? could make an awesome road/track car esp with the shorter gearing & diff. it's just the question of that turbo engine, not convinced of it...

As someone else said here and not something I'd considered - if you take out the back seats, why not buy a GT4, that's a fair shout. The other point which I think is also worth a shout out to and that is the GT3 is a great advert for Porsche - we all want one but they purposely don't make enough so we all try to buy the next best thing (whatever each of us think that is), these are the cars that make Porsche their money and there is more profit in a 911S or 911T etc than a GT3 -brilliant!

Jacko.1 said: As someone else said here and not something I'd considered - if you take out the back seats, why not buy a GT4, that's a fair shout. I agree - as a 2 seater the GT4 is hard to beat.. but it's no longer available so would have to be used at list price or above, and it's a Cayman not a 911. Even better shout - a brand new 991.2 GTS is £95k. You can have it without rear seats. It's a 911. Faster than any Cayman and easily as capable. I know which I'd rather have.

Phooey said: Even better shout - a brand new 991.2 GTS is £95k. £95 k you are havin a giraffe ! A mildly specs manual is in excess of £100K !

anonymous said: [redacted] Interesting thoughts, I traded from a NA 991S To a 3.0t S and lasted 3 months before I moved it on, it just didn't excite me at all. Trouble is, there isnt anything else out there at that sort of price that interests me. I am hoping a GTS brings back some of the lost excitement - if not, then God knows where I go from there.

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Dammit said: ? https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/... And that’s kinda the point. It’s lovely and all but it’s 8 years old and things will start needing replacing. For over £15k less I am getting my own bespoke, personally tailored 911 that (arguably) is more useable more of time in the UK and is fully warrantied. It has its whole life ahead of it. Porsche could have been bolder with the spec but for how I am actually going to use the car, I expect it is going to be pretty damn fine.

I've got an 18 year old 996 that I'm (somewhat obsessively) making new again, so I can appreciate that you have to want that as part of the ownership experience for it not to be a massive PITA. I suppose I'm just thinking that the only cars that are available now, and that are going to be available in future that fit with the desires of a certain group of Porsche enthusiasts (who can't get into the allocation for the new GT3's), are the old(er) ones.

Do we really want a GT3 but because Porsche won't sell us one, we buy a 911T instead? Do you think I am going to sit with a GT3 poster on my wall and drive a GTS or a T? Are we really that simple? It's not even a sports car it's an imitation of an imitation with a phoney exhaust like the 996 C4S had, that sounds mean at 25 mph. That's what is embarrassing. Every time you start it up the neighbours are going to think 'what a p----.' You're going to look and sound like a teenager in a modded Corsa in that thing. If they were forced to go turbo on their full range I could accept that. But they aren't. One day Bentley or BMW or Aston Martin are going to offer us the real deal and we will see Porsche for what they are. Edited by cardigankid on Sunday 29th October 23:43

The GT3 has always been a sledge hammer to crack a walnut. Until 1999 porsche took weight out of a cooking C2 sharpened up the suspension and transmission and called it an RS. The GT3 came along to give some credibility to the 996 range. It was a quantum leap forward from a C2 as all GT3's that followed it. Personally I think that a GT3 should spend some of its life on the track because if a driver wants to truly unlock its potential that's the only place it can realistically be done. The T appears to be following the traditional RS route which may well end up with a drivers car that will provide fun and engagement For a driver not looking to necessarily track his or her car. If this is what the T ultimately becomes it could well be a lovely car.

Didn't Ferrari recently tune their turbo V8s to mimic the power delivery of the N/A ones? Perhaps some spefici engine mapping on the T could make it more appealing. Those who like the fat mid-range cruisers can buy the regular and S Carrera.

Sustenpass said: Didn't Ferrari recently tune their turbo V8s to mimic the power delivery of the N/A ones? Perhaps some spefici engine mapping on the T could make it more appealing. Those who like the fat mid-range cruisers can buy the regular and S Carrera. The 3.0t is also tuned to offer a very linear driving performance and is quite unlike a Turbo that has a sudden huge rush of torque - it just delivers it at any speed, in any gear

Sustenpass said: Didn't Ferrari recently tune their turbo V8s to mimic the power delivery of the N/A ones? Perhaps some spefici engine mapping on the T could make it more appealing. Those who like the fat mid-range cruisers can buy the regular and S Carrera. Yup, torque is limited in lower gears and it increases linearly rather than coming in all at once: i.e. you don't get all the shove from very low revs which is one of things that people like me don't like about turbos. If they could do something similar to future 911s, I may well get interested again.

Jacko.1 said: Sustenpass said: Didn't Ferrari recently tune their turbo V8s to mimic the power delivery of the N/A ones? Perhaps some spefici engine mapping on the T could make it more appealing. Those who like the fat mid-range cruisers can buy the regular and S Carrera. The 3.0t is also tuned to offer a very linear driving performance and is quite unlike a Turbo that has a sudden huge rush of torque - it just delivers it at any speed, in any gear That's the bit that Ferrari have dialled out and made the 488 all the better for it

Certainly seems like a way of engineering out some of that homogenous, samey feel that modern turbo engines have. But I do tend to agree with the sentiment that this car is like a scrap of leftovers for the less-entitled to froth over while they have no chance of buying the real thing.

I think Steve's comment that you should think of it like a modern version of an aircooled RS is about right. There was very little love for the 964RS back in the day as far as I understand. My mate picked one up for peanuts in about '93 or so (still has it, lucky boy!). 10 bhp more, a bit lighter, a bit lower, some welding a regular driver wouldn't care about and some bucket seats. It may not be a parts bin special but it's pretty close and now no-one appears to complain. Honestly, Porsche appear to be moving the GT3 range into being a supercar rather than a track car (although it's still clearly fab) as the latter. So there is room in the lineup for a T/RS-as-was for those who are willing to pay a premium for a few small but important for them changes that make it a bit more exciting to drive than a regular 911. Just such a shame they've given it a turbo motor.

anonymous said: [redacted] Yeah I was just using the GTS as a curve ball like others have with the GT4. Tbh I wouldn't be able to live with a stripper GTS (I'd feel that being top of the range Carrera it has to have a big spec - interior packs etc etc so £100k+) so the T appeals to me more too - especially if on a budget. And the more I think over the T the more it genuinely appeals because as good as the .2GTS is (it's very very fast! / feels faster than the GT3) it's just unfortunately all over too quick in each gear - hence once the warp-factor-grin has worn off the T could be a bit more fun to live with and use. Pricing was my main issue - the original T was 10% cheaper than the S - now they are both the same. Different times..

ags11 said: I tend to agree the T is picking up potential GT3 buyers. I've been chasing after a Touring, I'll be pleasantly surprised if I get one. I drove a GTS, I wasn't that keen,it being so close to GT3 money. Without upsetting anyone, I felt it was a middle aged fat cat cruiser. Oddly though the T attracts me! Is it clever marketing? Or is more or less? I dunno!! It's certainly a much more attractive concept,if nothing else. that's crazy, it's soooo far away from the GT3. I'm surprised that OPC's are getting so many orders, this car is barely different than a base one, I suspect people are thinking about depreciation or possibly of it appreciating ? and for a change they can actually order one

anonymous said: [redacted] I just went and had a readup on the 964 RS and take your point - it's much more bespoke than I thought! Funny as when I had a 15 min drive of one (second air cooled car I'd ever driven after a 993 C4!) I don't remember it as feeling as extreme, although to be fair I wasn't thrashing it. I agree, the T is not going to be vastly different from the base or S cars, but that said in terms of chassis stiffness there's probably not a lot they could do to a T to make it stiffer than it already is without adding weight. Ditto taking weight out - one imagines there was a lot more fat to be trimmed out of a 964 C2 than a 991 C2. As a hypothetical, if you specced buckets, a no nonsense interior and then spent a couple of £k more on warranty busting PSS10s or similar, you'd effectively have a 991.2 "RS" Stiff chassis? Check LSD? Check Buckets? Check Some (albeit not much) weight saving? Check Much more focussed suspension? Check Shorter ratios? Check That's a lot of the 964 RS changes covered and a very different drive to a vanilla C2 I'd wager. So in my mind it would be closer to the RS-ethos than to 991.2 GT3, not least because it's keeping the same engine as the 991.2 C2 Guess it's academic though as no-one is going to buy a T then replace its suspension

anonymous said: [redacted] A bit off topic, one thing on 9x1.x PASM suspension though, while it's soft, it's never felt too soft for me. PASM on my 981 BGTS was set up spot on for the road in my opinion - Normal when pottering or on a bad surface, and Sport when having a bit of fun or on track. Even X71 was completely liveable on the road. Was all a bit of a triumph IMO. My 997 GTS set up is much more compromised - Sport mode is useless on the road, you lose you teeth - and on track, while it does improve things a bit, I could live without it. anonymous said: [redacted] Here's hoping After falling in love with the 911 concept at the late age of 26 (2008), although very first-world-problemy I find it very sad they don't currently make a car that I want that they will sell me. I had so much fun speccing/buying/collecting my BGTS it's rather disappointing to think I may not be able to do that again with a 911. And this is coming from someone who was up until a couple of years ago dead set against buying new cars

Mario149 said: A bit off topic, one thing on 9x1.x PASM suspension though, while it's soft, it's never felt too soft for me. PASM on my 981 BGTS was set up spot on for the road in my opinion - Normal when pottering or on a bad surface, and Sport when having a bit of fun or on track. Even X73 was completely liveable on the road. Was all a bit of a triumph IMO . Totally agree. 9x1.x PASM is fabulous - fantastically comfortable and composed with superb handling. Utterly brilliant!

Have put deposit down, & have since done a spec I would like. Has come out at £108k. Whoops. Want PCCB's but have a feeling they won't really be neccessary. What's everyone elses specs coming out at?

anonymous said: [redacted] Apologies for selective quoting but I have to say I'm not sure I entirely agree. I thought they had blue printed engine and matched pistons or maybe I have that wrong. But open door, settle into tricolour bucket seat, fiddle about with immobiliser trying to find the slot, more fumbling with ignition key before time runs out, turn key, don’t go near throttle and let it settle into that inimitable lumpy idle. Still in the garage but already special enough for me. No a/c so could be warm work on a hot day at Brands.

TGETV said: Have put deposit down, & have since done a spec I would like. Has come out at £108k. Whoops. Want PCCB's but have a feeling they won't really be neccessary. What's everyone elses specs coming out at? lol might last you a week at the rate you sell the cars ;-p out of interest why did you not like about the BMW M4 DTM ? it ticks a lot of boxes for me, but you said you had issues with it, or was that just with the dealer.

TGETV said: Have put deposit down, & have since done a spec I would like. Has come out at £108k. Whoops. Want PCCB's but have a feeling they won't really be neccessary. What's everyone elses specs coming out at? All academic as I'm not ordering one, but for a bit of fun.... Loadsamoney stealth config: http://www.porsche-code.com/PJ9H2JE7 Poverty shouty config: http://www.porsche-code.com/PJA49262 Can't do screen shots as laptop playing up

Porsche911R said: lol might last you a week at the rate you sell the cars ;-p out of interest why did you not like about the BMW M4 DTM ? it ticks a lot of boxes for me, but you said you had issues with it, or was that just with the dealer. Nah I'll keep this for a while, will hopefully be early next year and run until 812 arrives - then sell if I can't afford to keep alongside, or keep ideally. DTM tbh was fine, no issues - was another track car when I already had one, (GT3RS) so was surplus to requirements. I was intending on running it alongside my F12 but circumstances led me to have the RS by the time it turned up.

anonymous said: [redacted] Fair enough, what you say certainly makes sense though as I never had a C2 it’s hard to know for sure. My reaction to this current thread was more À la recherche du temps perdu; simple minded misty eyed reminiscences of “how much better it was in the old days”

anonymous said: [redacted] Excellent post! I never thought of it like that but I agree.

anonymous said: [redacted] Closest thing I suppose was the 959, but that was $300k US when new. I can't really see Porsche releasing a lower priced N/A car, much as I'd like to see one. I've banged on about this before, but I used to think it'd be good if the options list contained more of the GT elements as options: 6-speed box/shorter ratios/LWFW, weight removal etc. Now that the mainstream stuff is turbo and the halo cars aren't, perhaps these parts are less likely to bolt together.

TGETV said: Have put deposit down, & have since done a spec I would like. Has come out at £108k. Whoops. Want PCCB's but have a feeling they won't really be neccessary. What's everyone elses specs coming out at? To put things in perspective that's approx £2k more than i paid for my 991.2GTS PDK RWS coupe back in May.

ClubsportStr said: See GT3 style folding buckets seats are now available to spec on Carrera T s ! ... and strangely they're £267 cheaper than what one pays in a GT3...

One for sale here with the lightweight wheels. https://finder.porsche.com/gb/en-GB/details/porsch...

JackReacher said: One for sale here with the lightweight wheels. https://finder.porsche.com/gb/en-GB/details/porsch... Amazing the difference the wheels make, that looks stunning.

God, that interior is as dull as ditch water. Except the instrument panel that looks like a fruit machine.

The 991.2 T interior was far superior to the 992.2 T. I really liked the red/yellow pinstripe with matching stitching. The dull tartan in the 2.2 is uninspiring but you can add coloured stitching. Just not if you spec the buckets.

God, that interior is as dull as ditch water. Except the instrument panel that looks like a fruit machine.

PRO5T said: Amazing the difference the wheels make, that looks stunning. £7k option those wheels !! Eek.

neilf said: I d be interested to hear from anyone who has chosen these. Do you end up with two set of wheels (ie these + the ones your car is delivered with) or do Porsche do some sort of deal to buy your factory wheels off you? Acessories aren't part of the vehicle order, and turn up as packaged spare parts. So you'll likely end up with the car you specify, plus a set of bare rims with centre covers. Not sure how saleable the original rims will be after you've paid for the TPM sensors and tyres to be changed over. I can't see the factory wanting them back. Keep to put winter tyres on maybe?

LiamH66 said: neilf said: I d be interested to hear from anyone who has chosen these. Do you end up with two set of wheels (ie these + the ones your car is delivered with) or do Porsche do some sort of deal to buy your factory wheels off you? Acessories aren't part of the vehicle order, and turn up as packaged spare parts. So you'll likely end up with the car you specify, plus a set of bare rims with centre covers. Not sure how saleable the original rims will be after you've paid for the TPM sensors and tyres to be changed over. I can't see the factory wanting them back. Keep to put winter tyres on maybe? Regardless, I'd pass on those wheels. £7k? no chance

Not Ideal said: PRO5T said: Amazing the difference the wheels make, that looks stunning. £7k option those wheels !! Eek. Agreed and as Jules says above-no chance! But they do totally transform the look of the car into something I'd actually like to own. The standard wheels are all just so awful. PCCBs aside (I've still no idea why you can't option them), a few choice options and you can get a great drivers 911 for (I can't believe I'm saying this) a reasonable price-considering the price you need to pay for a GT3 these days. Shame the config. doesn't show the accessory wheel choice. https://porsche-code.com/PT6U9EV3

PRO5T said: Agreed and as Jules says above-no chance! But they do totally transform the look of the car into something I'd actually like to own. The standard wheels are all just so awful. PCCBs aside (I've still no idea why you can't option them), a few choice options and you can get a great drivers 911 for (I can't believe I'm saying this) a reasonable price-considering the price you need to pay for a GT3 these days. Shame the config. doesn't show the accessory wheel choice. https://porsche-code.com/PT6U9EV3 Interesting colour that Provence and how it changes so much in different lighting.

nice one listed today with buckets https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/19883664 Edited by Jones the cat on Friday 13th February 21:42

That’s really lovely looking.

Nice example https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202604211...

Manual owners… Does your ‘Hill Hold’ function work ok? On my 992.2 it only kicks in if you are on a seriously steep incline. Spoke to my OPC about it and they said it doesn’t have any adjustment to the angle the car is at before it kicks in. Just wondered, as it currently a pretty useless feature for me.

neilf said: Manual owners Does your Hill Hold function work ok? On my 992.2 it only kicks in if you are on a seriously steep incline. Spoke to my OPC about it and they said it doesn t have any adjustment to the angle the car is at before it kicks in. Just wondered, as it currently a pretty useless feature for me. No. It’s rubbish. I didn’t believe my car had it so got my OPC to check. They reported back that it was all working correctly. Apparently you have to be on an incline greater than 5%, be in gear and clutch depressed. Then it will only hold for 2 seconds. But yes I’ve never got it to work either. I’m used to it now.

Not just me then! Mine does work, as per the owners handbook and your description, but only if the incline is 30+ degrees.

Picking up my 992.2 T on Saturday. This week is feeling unusually long… Edited by DoubleSix on Tuesday 5th May 22:40

DoubleSix said: Picking up my 992.2 T on Saturday. This week is feeling unusually long Edited by DoubleSix on Tuesday 5th May 22:40 Nice!

DoubleSix said: Picking up my 992.2 T on Saturday. This week is feeling unusually long Edited by DoubleSix on Tuesday 5th May 22:40 Lovely stuff. Congrats.

Thanks chaps. Been holding off for a few years but lifes too short…

neilf said: Manual owners Does your Hill Hold function work ok? On my 992.2 it only kicks in if you are on a seriously steep incline. Spoke to my OPC about it and they said it doesn t have any adjustment to the angle the car is at before it kicks in. Just wondered, as it currently a pretty useless feature for me. It’s not trustworthy, if in doubt I use the electronic handbrake but it’s a minor issue for me, of all the 911’s I’ve owned my T is pretty special.

DoubleSix said: Picking up my 992.2 T on Saturday. This week is feeling unusually long Perfect! Guards Red works so well on the 992, and 991 and 982 for that matter too.

looks SO good in red vs all. the greys...enjoy in good health, You'll love it!

Thanks! Ive only ever owned black cars so it was time for a change. I was set on Lugano Blue initially but this came up andI I was smitten. She s generously specced up (to 130k!) with just 500 miles on the clock and i reckon I got decent deal. There’s a cleanness to the 992.2 that I find appealing on top of the technical upgrades. Cant wait! Edited by DoubleSix on Thursday 7th May 07:40

I really like these and might consider one to replace my GT4 in a year or two (back seats for my kids).

https://www.warfordcarsltd.co.uk/details/car-in-al... This one keeps having a price reduction on it. Half tempted to…

Not Ideal said: https://www.warfordcarsltd.co.uk/details/car-in-al... This one keeps having a price reduction on it. Half tempted to I really like the perceived simplicity of the ‘T’ - RWD, Manual, relatively (these days) lwt. But that one needs to lose the grotesque stickers and blue wheels - makes it look hideous imo. No wonder it’s not selling.

There was one of these "launch spec" stickered up 992.2 T in Ice Grey metallic listed at £99k recently at an OPC. Now sold (?). Not sure if it had any issues but it was £10k cheaper than most of these and the gap between .1 and .2 seems to have narrowed somewhat.

I've noticed many of the press cars being reviewed on YouTube have a plastic dash, no stitching on the dash or doors etc... Whereas my car has a leather dash, stitching, etc So what gives? I can't see that an option has been ticked for leather on my build, so I assumed leather dash is standard on 992.2 T. Is this maybe a UK spec thing or what? Any other 992.2 T owners confirm if their car came with a leather dash as standard?

Yes, UK spec MY26 922.2 Carrera Ts come with leather dash as standard.

I think it’s a USA v UK thing. I believe leather dash has only been standard on US spec 911s since 992.2. Even GTS models in US didn’t get leather dash as standard on 992.1. Leather dash is now standard on all US spec 911s… apart from the T. No idea why. Happy to be corrected.

Any owners fancy sharing pics of their T? It’s been a long week here as car has gone off for full PPF. I’ve read all the reviews, watched all the vids, bored my wife etc Edited by DoubleSix on Friday 15th May 13:16

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Don’t ask about the Lama…

DoubleSix said: Any owners fancy sharing pics of their T? It s been a long week here as car has gone off for full PPF. I ve read all the reviews, watched all the vids, bored my wife etc Edited by DoubleSix on Friday 15th May 13:16 Glad it’s not just me that does things like that Better weather next week, perfect for a drive in your new toy.

Great pics Neil! I see you specced rear Lama, good choice. Mines just back with full PPF, ceramic etc. Cant wait for the weather to turn! Been driving an auto for so long the manual activation of the hand brake is making me nervous…

What have people found to be the shortest routine to defeat ADAS nannies on start up? I do the following but keen to know if there is a better/shorter way: - Auto start stop: off in drive mode settings (permanent) - speed warnings: programed to diamond button on steering wheel. One press on start up - hold button under cc stalk to set lane departure “off” on each start up

DoubleSix said: Great pics Neil! I see you specced rear Lama, good choice. Mines just back with full PPF, ceramic etc. Cant wait for the weather to turn! Been driving an auto for so long the manual activation of the hand brake is making me nervous It was expensive. Went for the full carbon with Alcantara and deviated stitch Lama to save weight, I can definitely feel the difference on track You’ll get used to the handbrake after a while, although I admit I did forget a few times! Range Rover driving mate is borrowing the T to take his daughter to Prom in a few weeks. Think I’ll need to stick a Post-It on the dash to remind him about the hand brake!

DoubleSix said: What have people found to be the shortest routine to defeat ADAS nannies on start up? I do the following but keen to know if there is a better/shorter way: - Auto start stop: off in drive mode settings (permanent) - speed warnings: programed to diamond button on steering wheel. One press on start up - hold button under cc stalk to set lane departure off on each start up Same as you apart from Auto Stop/Start. I always turn the mode wheel to Sport (coz I’m a child who only likes driving in noisy exhaust mode). Sport mode turns exhaust on, makes throttle more responsive, engages auto blip… and turns Auto Stop/Start off.

neilf said: DoubleSix said: What have people found to be the shortest routine to defeat ADAS nannies on start up? I do the following but keen to know if there is a better/shorter way: - Auto start stop: off in drive mode settings (permanent) - speed warnings: programed to diamond button on steering wheel. One press on start up - hold button under cc stalk to set lane departure off on each start up Same as you apart from Auto Stop/Start. I always turn the mode wheel to Sport (coz I m a child who only likes driving in noisy exhaust mode). Sport mode turns exhaust on, makes throttle more responsive, engages auto blip and turns Auto Stop/Start off. Ok, so im doing it right then I guess. Surprised by the lack of traffic here, we cant be the only owners looking to chat about their cars…. Has PH fallen off a cliff?

Just completed 3500 miles, including a tour of the Scottish west coast. It’s such a great road car - much more compliant than my old 991 Touring. Gearbox is fabulous, engine really strong from low revs all the way through and makes a great noise (albeit not the howl of the 4.0). Only downside is still too much road noise. The rest is perfect. I’ve three more continental trips (Spa classic, LeMans classic and when I race at Spa) over the next 2 months and reckon I’ve got the perfect partner in the T. Love it. On track at Goodwood on Monday, so will learn a little more about its limits and balance. It’s no GT3 in this regard, I can already tell. However, the track won’t be its usual habitat. If you’re thinking about buying one, do so - I’ve had loads of 911’s and reckon this is the finest road car I’ve had.

Wow great endorsement and great write up.

NO02WNG said: Just completed 3500 miles, including a tour of the Scottish west coast. It s such a great road car - much more compliant than my old 991 Touring. Gearbox is fabulous, engine really strong from low revs all the way through and makes a great noise (albeit not the howl of the 4.0). Only downside is still too much road noise. The rest is perfect. I ve three more continental trips (Spa classic, LeMans classic and when I race at Spa) over the next 2 months and reckon I ve got the perfect partner in the T. Love it. On track at Goodwood on Monday, so will learn a little more about its limits and balance. It s no GT3 in this regard, I can already tell. However, the track won t be its usual habitat. If you re thinking about buying one, do so - I ve had loads of 911 s and reckon this is the finest road car I ve had. Looks familiar… We were there last Sept. Our second Tour of Scotland. Can also recommend a stop at The Cromlix on the way home.

I agree with all points of your write up. Although I think I’m a bit desensitised to the road noise. We went Cayman T, GT4, 992.1 T then 992.2 all very noisy!

neilf said: I agree with all points of your write up. Although I think I m a bit desensitised to the road noise. We went Cayman T, GT4, 992.1 T then 992.2 all very noisy! Very beautiful! I think you’re right re the noise, you must have got used to it! Car was excellent at Goodwood. Admittedly, it’s now packing just over 500bhp, probably more suited to such a fast track. It did everything I wanted of it with real panache. A superb all round package. Thanks for the tip re the other hotel 👍

neilf said: I agree with all points of your write up. Although I think I m a bit desensitised to the road noise. We went Cayman T, GT4, 992.1 T then 992.2 all very noisy! Very beautiful! I think you’re right re the noise, you must have got used to it! Car was excellent at Goodwood. Admittedly, it’s now packing just over 500bhp, probably more suited to such a fast track. It did everything I wanted of it with real panache. A superb all round package. Thanks for the tip re the other hotel 👍

500bhp? Tell me more…

My 992 T grazing at Beaverbrook, the home of Spitfire in the background

What a machine. 911s not bad either Loving the bonnet.

Yes, very good to take hits from flying rocks on an M3 and M25. neilf said: What a machine. 911s not bad either Loving the bonnet.

Pivo-T said: Tell me about it. Just stumped up £450 to have this monster fixed.

IMO this is lovely, if you’re feeling flush. Some pricey options but a nice discount off the list price… https://finder.porsche.com/gb/en-GB/details/V9QOZ5

Touring the Peak District presently to get this pesky run in done .

kmpowell said: IMO this is lovely, if you re feeling flush. Some pricey options but a nice discount off the list price https://finder.porsche.com/gb/en-GB/details/V9QOZ5 I’d seen that one as well. Love it. But pricey as you say.

Looking at 992.2s and keep ending up back at the T because I’m a sucker for a manual. Only thing nagging at me is the gearing. Had a 987.2 manual years ago and loved it, but half the time it felt like you needed to be doing licence-losing speeds to properly stretch its legs. How are you guys finding the reality of it?

SkinnyPete said: Looking at 992.2s and keep ending up back at the T because I m a sucker for a manual. Only thing nagging at me is the gearing. Had a 987.2 manual years ago and loved it, but half the time it felt like you needed to be doing licence-losing speeds to properly stretch its legs. How are you guys finding the reality of it? I’m in a 992.1 with seven gears and while it is a wee bit long the change is so sweet that I play up and down the box anyway. I’m not sure if they changed the ratios for the .2, but I don’t think you’ll find it a problem. I honestly think the T is a great drivers car, the engine, gearbox and chassis match up well and it’s rewarding when you’re on it, without taking you into lunatic territory. I’ve been saving up for a GT3 Touring, but after finally getting a test drive I’ve decided that I’m too old for one, brilliant engine and steering but the U.K. roads would have me wincing, I do 8k+ a year in my 911’s and I think I’d tire of it, wonderful car though. The T is not perfect, but I will now be browsing the new stock to see if a deal can be done a little later this year, I like the brown car referenced by KMP earlier and there’s a nice shade green car at Hatfield, I think it’s time to move on from black or silver.

This was a key concern for me too (also had a 987 back in the day). No getting away from it, the gearing is still long. But, and it s a big but, the nature of the engine means you are making peak torque right down at 1950 rpm. So in reality it s a more pliable thing with lots of scope to be driven in different styles without always having to wring its neck to access the power. Yet somehow the wizards at Porsche have made it feel very much like an NA - its clever, clever stuff. Yes we all love the old NA engines but they did lack guts at low rpm. You ll still be living in 2nd and 3rd on a blast and you ll still have to watch the numbers don t get silly but i am very glad i went for the T. The gearbox is a delight and i think demand for these will pick up as more people realise the changes over the .1 are really quite meaningful. I was shopping S s as well but just knew i would have got bored with the PDK. The T is a car you ll just drive for the sake of it as it is such a lovely thing to operate. In summary the gearing could be shorter but it doesn t ruin the experience as I had feared. (I went for a night drive around the peaks last night and ended up out for 2hrs, i am now sold on RWS too having seen what it does on switchbacks over the passes ) Edited by DoubleSix on Monday 25th May 08:29

80mph in second gear… This was the same as my old GT4. TBH I only noticed it coming out of a 30 as the revs were not high enough (In 2nd) to punch away but with the turbo car I don’t think you’d have any issue. Aside from that the gearing never bothered me , they are prefect for overtaking .

All of this ^^^

Porsche’s ex press fleet T up for sale at Bolton https://finder.porsche.com/gb/en-GB/details/porsch...

Quick question; did other 992.2 owners receive a physical owners manual with their car? The one in my car is in German. I know i can access the owners manual via the app, but I quite like having a physical copy in the car. Supplying OPC says .2 doesn’t come with a manual anymore but that sounds like typical dealer bs to me and the presence of a German language copy supports that…

My T was delivered with a UK manual In March

Why do they bother to lie? This individual also told me the stickers in the rear quarter windows must have been de-specced on order. I pointed out that isn’t an option. Only side decals can be de-specced and she quickly backtracked and agreed they must have been removed… I dont think id buy another car through this OPC as i just cant trust a word they say. And this is the trivial stuff!

DoubleSix said: Quick question; did other 992.2 owners receive a physical owners manual with their car? The one in my car is in German. I know i can access the owners manual via the app, but I quite like having a physical copy in the car. Supplying OPC says .2 doesn t come with a manual anymore but that sounds like typical dealer bs to me and the presence of a German language copy supports that Full (English) manual for me too.

DoubleSix said: Why do they bother to lie? This individual also told me the stickers in the rear quarter windows must have been de-specced on order. I pointed out that isn t an option. Only side decals can be de-specced and she quickly backtracked and agreed they must have been removed I dont think id buy another car through this OPC as i just cant trust a word they say. And this is the trivial stuff! I had a similar question re the stickers on the rear quarter windows of my Cab, supplying OPC just shrugged. Early press examples of the 992.2 T Cab had the rear window stickers. Customer cars don’t. But this is only the Cab. Coupes still have them. I assume the ability to lower the rear windows on a Cab was causing issues with the stickers

I asked them to send me some (pre-sale) so i can pop them in the glove box. Not fussed about applying them, but… ya know… it’s a completeness thing

neilf said: Pivo-T said: Tell me about it. Just stumped up £450 to have this monster fixed. My gt silver car chipped the exact same way , never had it before in 30 years ownership of similar cars

Anyone know this T for sale at John Holland, could of yellow ones been sitting at 911 Virgin for a while Nice colour and spec apart from sunroof and maybe a bit high on price. https://www.johnhollandsales.co.uk/stock-list/2127...

DoubleSix said: Quick question; did other 992.2 owners receive a physical owners manual with their car? The one in my car is in German. I know i can access the owners manual via the app, but I quite like having a physical copy in the car. Supplying OPC says .2 doesn t come with a manual anymore but that sounds like typical dealer bs to me and the presence of a German language copy supports that Took delivery of my petrol Macan 2 months ago and still waiting for the manual!!

I have a 992.2 Carrera (non T) which was delivered in Nov and it came with a Uk hard copy owners manual in a leather case.

Have you any of you manual T owners changed your knobs? Mine’s a 992.1 GTS but the gear knob has always been a disappointment, largely because the shift felt lightweight and nasty but also because the plastic cap had a sharp edge that you could feel. I never understood why you’d have such a cheap feeling touch point. Anyway, I bit the bullet and bought the heaviest weight Sportshifters knob and it’s lovely! Must be 5x the weight of the original at 450g but that extra weight, a slight reduction in height and a touch extra girth makes all the difference.

Crumpet said: Have you any of you manual T owners changed your knobs? Mine s a 992.1 GTS but the gear knob has always been a disappointment, largely because the shift felt lightweight and nasty but also because the plastic cap had a sharp edge that you could feel. I never understood why you d have such a cheap feeling touch point. Anyway, I bit the bullet and bought the heaviest weight Sportshifters knob and it s lovely! Must be 5x the weight of the original at 450g but that extra weight, a slight reduction in height and a touch extra girth makes all the difference. Looks like size of a tennis ball

bennno said: Looks like size of a tennis ball It does have a bit more girth, but I think it’s the lens that’s making it look significantly more bulbous!

Fellow T owners enjoying the weather? I’m gelling nicely with the car now the run-in is done. So nice to be back in a manual. Just when i thought cars (as an interest/hobby) were dead this one has come along and reminded me how much i love driving.

DoubleSix said: Fellow T owners enjoying the weather? I m gelling nicely with the car now the run-in is done. So nice to be back in a manual. Just when i thought cars (as an interest/hobby) were dead this one has come along and reminded me how much i love driving. When I’m in the mood it’s one of the most rewarding cars I’ve owned, it just feeds back so well and you don’t have to be doing stupid speeds to have fun. I was seriously thinking of going for a GT3 to finally scratch the itch, but after test run decided I wouldn’t enjoy the ownership experience half as much. I’ll be doing my usual call around for a new stock car in the lead up to Xmas, I’m thinking of shade green but haven’t seen one in the flesh yet, wondering if it might look a bit washed out.

High praise from someone with your back-catalogue! The T certainly seems to hit the mark as a road car. One might argue good value, relatively speaking (to GT products etc). I think shade green looks nice but it is so personal. Anything but grey gets my my vote. I was after Lugano until my Guards car popped up… am enjoying a change from black. Think Oak Green is in danger of being a bit overdone.

DoubleSix said: High praise from someone with your back-catalogue! The T certainly seems to hit the mark as a road car. One might argue good value, relatively speaking (to GT products etc). I think shade green looks nice but it is so personal. Anything but grey gets my my vote. I was after Lugano until my Guards car popped up am enjoying a change from black. Think Oak Green is in danger of being a bit overdone. I agree on Oak Green, the novelty factor has been over done and I do like Lugano, but the essence of the T is less is more and not many pay over the odds for paint. Enjoy your T, I’m looking forward to comparing the .2 to the .1. That’s only a fraction of my back catalogue btw! I have issues.

Bumping the T thread to see how everyone’s getting on. Adventures undertaken? Tucked up for winter? Tales to tell? Ive been dailying mine since our BMW took a knock. Did some UK trips and ticked past 3,000 faultless and highly enjoyable miles on the odometer. T life is good.

11k miles into my 992.1 T. Has been utterly faultless and the consummate all rounder. Goes well on track and it’s joyous on a decent road trip. Very happy.

Mine is fast approaching its third birthday, which says a lot about this car, I usually change long before this point. I have done 12,000 miles and still find it extremely rewarding, it’s just so well balanced with just the right amount of everything to make driving a pleasure. I’ve driven a .2 and think it’s an upgrade, slightly better throttle response and the six speed change is nicer, allegedly it has more power but I couldn’t tell on my test drive. I don’t like the silly window sticker, or the in car camera and the starter button is horrible, but I will take the plunge just after Xmas. I’m after a new car in stock and wish they’d stuck with the original wheels, so much nicer imho, so the only must have is upgraded alloys and Bose, let the hunt begin.

Traded my 991.1 Turbo S in June for this. Picked the car up and headed straight to the tunnel for an Alps trip with friends. Great car - surprisingly different from the TS. Use mine daily and just does everything well and rewarding to drive . It’s a class act.

Also approaching the 3rd birthday (December). I'm about 9,000 miles in, this year mileage has dropped off a little as life's been busy, but been driving quite a bit the last few weeks. Managed to squeeze in a 2,500 mile Scotland trip last year. No plans to change, love the car, the manual gearbox, the relatively basic spec I chose (paint excluding!). Would rather add to it down the line, than replace it.

DanCup said: Also approaching the 3rd birthday (December). I'm about 9,000 miles in, this year mileage has dropped off a little as life's been busy, but been driving quite a bit the last few weeks. Managed to squeeze in a 2,500 mile Scotland trip last year. No plans to change, love the car, the manual gearbox, the relatively basic spec I chose (paint excluding!). Would rather add to it down the line, than replace it. Nice Dan, I like shark blue and currently watching a Laguna car in Scotland (a long way from home), if it’s still on the market in a couple of months I will jump on it.

Replaced our PDK 992.1T with a 992.2 T Cab 12 months ago. After some terrible, early reliability issue it’s been well behaved since. It’s our daily so we’ve racked up 9,100 miles so far. It’s been the best summer for owning a cab! #smugface

Tuftie said: Mine is fast approaching its third birthday, which says a lot about this car, I usually change long before this point. I have done 12,000 miles and still find it extremely rewarding, it s just so well balanced with just the right amount of everything to make driving a pleasure. I ve driven a .2 and think it s an upgrade, slightly better throttle response and the six speed change is nicer, allegedly it has more power but I couldn t tell on my test drive. I don t like the silly window sticker, or the in car camera and the starter button is horrible, but I will take the plunge just after Xmas. I m after a new car in stock and wish they d stuck with the original wheels, so much nicer imho, so the only must have is upgraded alloys and Bose, let the hunt begin. Silly window sticker is easily removable. Or get a Cab, they don t have the silly sticker!

Met some friends for a drive today, lovely conditions…

I’m in the market for one too! Been trying to find out what’s available as stock cars. It’s not that easy as so many are not advertised.

Porsche app, filter?

DoubleSix said: Porsche app, filter? Apparently this doesn’t always show the true picture of what’s available. Porsche allegedly trickles stock cars into the network to manage demand, resale values etc. Dealers (again, allegedly) have access to stock never advertised on the Porsche website/app. I have a little experience of this. 18mths ago when I enquired at my local OPC about a new 911 they mentioned a ‘selection’ of stock 911s available immediately (a that time their group website showed 1). However, I repeatedly asked for details of these stock 911s and was given the runaround without ever being sent the details. No idea if they really existed or not.

labstaR said: I m in the market for one too! Been trying to find out what s available as stock cars. It s not that easy as so many are not advertised. AT has a few new stock that you won’t see on the official site, you can also go onto some of the big groups web sites, Lovett, Sytner etc. failing that phone around.

Nearly all T's on the approved website appear to be Porsche specced cars and the choice isnt great. They nearly all have sunroofs which goes against the whole ethos of the T. Black or blue wheels and privacy glass are the other no go options for me, so all in all not much to choose from used. Buying new is not appealing unless the discount is substantial and you can get one for around £115k. The first year depreciation, as with all 992.2s is eye watering. Say a 1 year old T with 2000-5000 miles currently retails for £105-110k, then what are they offering as a trade in 95k? A £25k-30k first year loss.

Mezgerking said: Nearly all T's on the approved website appear to be Porsche specced cars and the choice isnt great. They nearly all have sunroofs which goes against the whole ethos of the T. Black or blue wheels and privacy glass are the other no go options for me, so all in all not much to choose from used. Buying new is not appealing unless the discount is substantial and you can get one for around £115k. The first year depreciation, as with all 992.2s is eye watering. Say a 1 year old T with 2000-5000 miles currently retails for £105-110k, then what are they offering as a trade in 95k? A £25k-30k first year loss. Car File are doing a new factory order T supplied by an OPC for £113,715.00 (on the road)(official price is £121,905.00). I'm sure any OPC would match that; my local OPC matched the Car File price without hesitation. Edited by churchie2856 on Thursday 8th October 12:59

Mezgerking said: Nearly all T's on the approved website appear to be Porsche specced cars and the choice isnt great. They nearly all have sunroofs which goes against the whole ethos of the T. Black or blue wheels and privacy glass are the other no go options for me, so all in all not much to choose from used. Buying new is not appealing unless the discount is substantial and you can get one for around £115k. The first year depreciation, as with all 992.2s is eye watering. Say a 1 year old T with 2000-5000 miles currently retails for £105-110k, then what are they offering as a trade in 95k? A £25k-30k first year loss. Discounts are substantial, think 12-15k off for starters.b

At £121k does that include a few nice extras? Personally wouldn’t pay more than £105k for one new. About 18 months (early 2025) could have bought a nicely specd 992.1T various were available ie carbon roof manual etc for £100k new pre regd delivery miles (ie 10 miles on the clock). There few others around £105k with lots of extras with lists at £125-130k Sadly an imminent house purchase put paid to that idea. So if you are in the market for one hold off a little longer

GT4P said: At £121k does that include a few nice extras? Personally wouldn t pay more than £105k for one new. About 18 months (early 2025) could have bought a nicely specd 992.1T various were available ie carbon roof manual etc for £100k new pre regd delivery miles (ie 10 miles on the clock). There few others around £105k with lots of extras with lists at £125-130k Sadly an imminent house purchase put paid to that idea. So if you are in the market for one hold off a little longer To be fair the .1 prices were depressed 18 months as the .2 had arrived so you were buying an old new car at that point. Having had a .1 T I swapped to a standard .2 c2 this time around, lwt glass reverberates with windows down, lack of sound deadening makes a fairly noisy car noisier still, risk it’s unsalable if you misshift due to dealers only buying after rev range analysis. If I was going to have a t then it might as well be a .1 with the analogue rev counter

It certainly is a strange market, 2 weeks ago Chester list a used ice grey T for £112500, doesnt sell so increase the price to £114500, yet hardly anything seems to be moving. https://finder.porsche.com/gb/en-GB/details/porsch... Bristol have just added a desirable spec white T at £110,000 which seems better value than most.

bennno said: To be fair the .1 prices were depressed 18 months as the .2 had arrived so you were buying an old new car at that point. Having had a .1 T I swapped to a standard .2 c2 this time around, lwt glass reverberates with windows down, lack of sound deadening makes a fairly noisy car noisier still, risk it s unsalable if you misshift due to dealers only buying after rev range analysis. If I was going to have a t then it might as well be a .1 with the analogue rev counter I tried to part ex a manual Cayman T at OPC against a new GT car, I only knew it had been overevved (during my ownership) when they refused to buy it after doing a check. It was done on track downshifting too vigorously!

bennno said: To be fair the .1 prices were depressed 18 months as the .2 had arrived so you were buying an old new car at that point. The 992.2 had just arrived at the time but there was no 992.2T until sometime after. But when a new model of anything from tvs to cars the old model which they have in stock is always the better buy as the new model is only slightly better at an increased cost. Bought a few new cars this way including 2 new Porsches with hefty discounts and a couple of TVs. I personally prefer the 992.1 over the 992.2 and for me even if the 992.2T was around I still would have bought the older model. Similar thing happened with the 997.2 GT3 /RS now look at the prices compared to the newer 991.1 GT3/RS. Newer is not always better

GT4P said: The 992.2 had just arrived at the time but there was no 992.2T until sometime after. But when a new model of anything from tvs to cars the old model which they have in stock is always the better buy as the new model is only slightly better at an increased cost. Bought a few new cars this way including 2 new Porsches with hefty discounts and a couple of TVs. I personally prefer the 992.1 over the 992.2 and for me even if the 992.2T was around I still would have bought the older model. Similar thing happened with the 997.2 GT3 /RS now look at the prices compared to the newer 991.1 GT3/RS. Newer is not always better That’s quite a statement considering the very considerable changes made to the .2 T!

Doesn’t stack up. Look at each model generation and the gen 2 is generally the preferred choice whatever the model, but especially with the hotter models : 997.1 vs 997.2 GT3/RS 991.1 vs 991.1 GT3/RS The 992 in T form will no doubt follow pattern

Quite. Both amazing cars but the 992.2 T wasn’t just a few trim changes… Probably one of most significant upgrades in recent gens.

Interesting that Joe Achilles youtube bought a .1 T over a .2, couldn't stomach the potential depreciation on a .2 was his reasoning. He did mention discounts but still couldn't get past the difference in cost between the generations. The best bit about the .1 is the easy 500 bhp tuning potential and no ADAS but I don't know how intrusive that is in the 992.2. From what I have heard though the .2 is a much improved overall package especially where it matters, with the GTS turbos, bigger brakes, Turbo cooling upgrades and revised upgraded gearbox. I dislike the digital dash but for me it improves on the.1 halfway house. What I don't like on the .2 is the lack of performance options, no PCCBs allowed or PDCC. Also some options are very questionable, the ooks of the T exterior blue wheels and trim package for example or ones specced with the black S wheels. The aerokit is an acquired taste and the sheer number of glass sunroof equipped models. Oh and the window stickers what were they thinking.

The ADAS is a thing but its well judged… unlike the Audi A4 i have on loan at the moment which slams the brakes on for normal urban driving, parked cars etc

Mezgerking said: It certainly is a strange market, 2 weeks ago Chester list a used ice grey T for £112500, doesnt sell so increase the price to £114500, yet hardly anything seems to be moving. https://finder.porsche.com/gb/en-GB/details/porsch... Bristol have just added a desirable spec white T at £110,000 which seems better value than most. I think those used cars are not good value atm, especially when there are brand new cars available for less than £10k more. I expect prices to soften as we move towards Xmas, but I think achieving anything above 12% discount is optimistic on a T, other models maybe.

Tuftie said: Mezgerking said: It certainly is a strange market, 2 weeks ago Chester list a used ice grey T for £112500, doesnt sell so increase the price to £114500, yet hardly anything seems to be moving. https://finder.porsche.com/gb/en-GB/details/porsch... Bristol have just added a desirable spec white T at £110,000 which seems better value than most. I think those used cars are not good value atm, especially when there are brand new cars available for less than £10k more. I expect prices to soften as we move towards Xmas, but I think achieving anything above 12% discount is optimistic on a T, other models maybe. That car is very lightly optioned so yeah i might agree on that one. But you can find cars optioned up to 130k and get the price down below 110k with a bit of haggling. Then you are really taking the sting out of the depreciation. Gotta factor the 5k first year VED you aren t paying too To me it looks like prices have firmed a bit since i bought in spring. Edited by DoubleSix on Friday 9th October 08:21

DoubleSix said: That car is very lightly optioned so yeah i might agree on that one. But you can find cars optioned up to 130k and get the price down below 110k with a bit of haggling. Then you are really taking the sting out of the depreciation. Gotta factor the 5k first year VED you aren t paying too To me it looks like prices have firmed a bit since i bought in spring. Edited by DoubleSix on Friday 9th October 08:21 Over on 911.com someone is claiming that they’ve been offered a new T at £18500 under list, representing @15%. If true then it suggests the market is softening, but any T retailing at almost £140k is going to be hard to shift imho, the essence of the car is keep it simple and light.

Tuftie said: Over on 911.com someone is claiming that they ve been offered a new T at £18500 under list, representing @15%. If true then it suggests the market is softening, but any T retailing at almost £140k is going to be hard to shift imho, the essence of the car is keep it simple and light. Perhaps on a dealer stock car with a load of options. I got something like 24-27k off a stock c2 versus the outright sale valuation on my SRS and the list price of a new one….

Yeah, i managed about 24k off list for a car with 500 miles on the odometer. Same dealer was offering 5k off a new order.

Does anyone know if a car with the sports design pack is any lower at the front? I don’t think front axel lift is necessary but just wondering if it might be with a car with sports design pack. Appreciate some will want the pure T ethos etc but I’ll be using it for daily duties. Thanks

Its no lower than the standard front kit. I daily mine and have FAL, not strictly necessary but it has certainly avoided a few scrapes and got me over a temporary bridge in Wales that would have been impassable. Wouldn t let it s absence stop me buying an otherwise desirable car.

Not a T, but I measured two 992.2 Carrera S at my local dealer, one with Sport Design kit, one without. The one with was ~1cm lower at the lowest part of the front spoiler. As I understand it a T is 10mm lower than a S already, so a T with Sport Design is going to be 20mm lower than a non-SD S. This is the clearance of the demo 992.2 S with Sport Design as I drove it on my drive. I had no real interest in T, S or Sport Design, just wanted to know if a base Carrera was going to need Front Axle Lift, and on that evidence the answer was no (so elected to have sports exhaust instead!)

Its not that simple. The 992.2 T is 10mm lower because of PASM Sport. You could Spec an S with PASM Sport and it would be nominally the same height as a T. I have the sport design kit on my T and side by side to a friend who doesn t I can see no difference in clearance at all. It s literally a redesign of the centre aero, the splitter base remains unchanged as you can see in the pics above. Edited by DoubleSix on Friday 9th October 18:06

Just priced a new 992.2 T for fun with minimum well chosen options similar to what I ordered a 992.1 T with at £105k back in 2024 with only the additional extravagance of slate grey neo (I would have ordered Agate like the 992.1 ). Well at £130k I nearly fell off the chair lol Nice car but not at £130k, I would want at least 15% discount to even consider a new purchase

Popped in to Porsche Reading this afternoon. Admittedly it s four years since I ordered mine but they had a Macan T in the showroom for £83k. £20k more than I paid. Prices are crazy ATM and their latest strategy is to increase prices further. Edited by as7920 on Saturday 10th October 19:22

Will it end up like BMW where no one pays the full price if buying outright as there are is always £15-20k to take off, a bit sad really. There is no way a T should be £130,000, it's a niche car and its buyers are enthusiasts who have all of the Porsche back catalogue to explore and enjoy. These crazy price increases will only drive up the demand and prices of the older cars. The only option I would choose would be the RS Spyder wheels. Happy with white paint, no decals keeping it simple.

Yep £130k gets a GT4RS or RS Spyder with that fantastic engine

Fantastic engines aside they are of course entirely different ownership propositions.

DoubleSix said: But you can find cars optioned up to 130k and get the price down below 110k with a bit of haggling. Then you are really taking the sting out of the depreciation. Edited by DoubleSix on Friday 9th October 08:21 Do you think that if you can get 20K off, then depreciation will be that bit quicker anyway? If people don't particularly want them new, why would they particularly want them used?

To be honest I don’t really think about depreciation much. Luxury cars are discretionary purchases and if depreciation is a factor then… well… dont do it. If a buy a car i assume it’ll half in 3 years if it doesn’t then thats a bonus. 20k off a heavily optioned in stock car doesn’t tell you much about the market. Demand remains high or you’d have deep dealer incentives on new orders. And we dont.

DoubleSix said: To be honest I don t really think about depreciation much. Luxury cars are discretionary purchases and if depreciation is a factor then well dont do it. If a buy a car i assume it ll half in 3 years if it doesn t then thats a bonus. 20k off a heavily optioned in stock car doesn t tell you much about the market. Demand remains high or you d have deep dealer incentives on new orders. And we dont. What he said. I buy my cars cash and mentally depreciate them fully. So driving comes almost for free ;o)

Maxym said: Do you think that if you can get 20K off, then depreciation will be that bit quicker anyway? If people don't particularly want them new, why would they particularly want them used? Why do you assume people don’t particularly want them new or used? They’re expensive (probably over priced) but there really isn’t much stock around relative to other high end marques and used stock seems to move quite quickly, I know as I’ve been watching the market for the last few weeks. I’ve been offered £82k for my car which will be 3 years old in six months time and has done 12,000 miles, I paid £98k for it new.

Tuftie said: Why do you assume people don t particularly want them new or used? They re expensive (probably over priced) but there really isn t much stock around relative to other high end marques and used stock seems to move quite quickly, I know as I ve been watching the market for the last few weeks. I ve been offered £82k for my car which will be 3 years old in six months time and has done 12,000 miles, I paid £98k for it new. Usually, if cars are hard to shift new for whatever reason so that big discounts can be had, the money off up front is reflected in second-hand prices. Big money off new and depreciation beating subsequently don't usually go together.

Maxym said: Usually, if cars are hard to shift new for whatever reason so that big discounts can be had, the money off up front is reflected in second-hand prices. Big money off new and depreciation beating subsequently don't usually go together. I’m not arguing that they are mutually exclusive, simply questioning your point that ‘people don’t want them’. From monitoring the market they are shifting and on the T models I don’t think the discounts are much beyond 10%, which is where they’ve been for a while. Other models, like the GTS are probably on bigger incentives, but obviously this thread is about the T.

DoubleSix said: To be honest I don t really think about depreciation much. Luxury cars are discretionary purchases and if depreciation is a factor then well don't do it. If a buy a car i assume it' ll half in 3 years if it doesn't then that's a bonus. Yes, that's the reality. One thing to bear in mind is dealers will always tell you to put lots of options on a new car to make it attractive in the used market. They're pulling your chain - their profit margin is much higher on options than it is on the car itself. And then, as a bonus, you'll find options invariably depreciate more quickly than the car to which they are attached. If you buy decent cars in decent colours and sensible specifications they will always sell OK.

Panamax said: Yes, that's the reality. One thing to bear in mind is dealers will always tell you to put lots of options on a new car to make it attractive in the used market. They're pulling your chain - their profit margin is much higher on options than it is on the car itself. And then, as a bonus, you'll find options invariably depreciate more quickly than the car to which they are attached. If you buy decent cars in decent colours and sensible specifications they will always sell OK. I agree, even more so on a car like the T, where sunroofs and heavy electric seats detract from the spirit of the car. Keep it light and simple, add Bose, maybe lift and probably the Spyder alloys (pig to clean but I don’t like the .2 standard wheels), I do like slate neo but not for £3k, but could be tempted!

Tuftie said: I agree, even more so on a car like the T, where sunroofs and heavy electric seats detract from the spirit of the car. Keep it light and simple, add Bose, maybe lift and probably the Spyder alloys (pig to clean but I don t like the .2 standard wheels), I do like slate neo but not for £3k, but could be tempted! Slate Neo T for the win! Edited by neilf on Tuesday 13th October 20:31

neilf said: Slate Neo T for the win! Edited by neilf on Tuesday 13th October 20:31 Nice mate, one of the best colours.

My fellow T owners may be interested in this little addition if you are happy to hurt your hands and swear a lot… Porsches strange decision to scrimp on mesh for their non-GT cars leaves rads VERY exposed. Some options to address this look bloody terrible imho (cough.. Zunsport…). But for a bit more effort you can get a very OEM solution. These are by RGS and do require some patience and a little common sense to fit but the results, i think, are very decent!

I made my own for my 718 Cayman ( see here ). Will attempt the same for 992.2 Carrera soon.

DoubleSix said: My fellow T owners may be interested in this little addition if you are happy to hurt your hands and swear a lot Porsches strange decision to scrimp on mesh for their non-GT cars leaves rads VERY exposed. Some options to address this look bloody terrible imho (cough.. Zunsport ). But for a bit more effort you can get a very OEM solution. These are by RGS and do require some patience and a little common sense to fit but the results, i think, are very decent! They look pretty cool

DoubleSix said: My fellow T owners may be interested in this little addition if you are happy to hurt your hands and swear a lot Porsches strange decision to scrimp on mesh for their non-GT cars leaves rads VERY exposed. Some options to address this look bloody terrible imho (cough.. Zunsport ). But for a bit more effort you can get a very OEM solution. These are by RGS and do require some patience and a little common sense to fit but the results, i think, are very decent! They look good, if you check the latest Joe Achilles video on YT you will see what he has fitted, he’s linked to the supplier with a discount code.

Tuftie said: They look good, if you check the latest Joe Achilles video on YT you will see what he has fitted, he s linked to the supplier with a discount code. Yes, they are crap…. Zunsport

DoubleSix said: Yes, they are crap . Zunsport Ok thanks

I have explored the configurator for the T, the only option I would go for is the RS Spyder wheels. As has been mentioned the standard wheels are poor and look terrible in black (no silver option!!?). The only other option would be a colour but I like plain white with decal and badging deletion. Looks great. Sunroof on a T for me are a no no and completely against the T ethos and actually can make it less desirable when used as seen in 991.2 market. Why have Porsche specced nearly every T on the approved used with sunroofs. I would never buy one with a big heavy glass roof which looks like the old 997 targas. T interior pack in blue? For £2500 no thanks! Less options = less depreciation in my experience on models like the T. The closer you can get a new one to £110k the less you will lose as at £125-130k new it's going to be a big hit after 12 months.

I’ve been looking for a low miles 991.2 cab for ages. Nothing comes up with low miles and some spec in my budget. I’d like a 17-18 MY car. As happy with a base car- don’t crave an S. I like the ethos behind the T. If anyone has a low miles car they want to sell, drop me a message.

highway said: I ve been looking for a low miles 991.2 cab for ages. Nothing comes up with low miles and some spec in my budget. I d like a 17-18 MY car. As happy with a base car- don t crave an S. I like the ethos behind the T. If anyone has a low miles car they want to sell, drop me a message. Aren’t those the problematic years for the .2 in relation to the self imploding turbos?

Nick Forest said: Aren t those the problematic years for the .2 in relation to the self imploding turbos? All years are problematic even 992