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Since when have 997.2 RS got so expensive? This is my favourite RS in a fantastic colour but £350k I remember when you could have new or nearly new for £90k Great car though https://finder.porsche.com/gb/en-GB/search/911?mod...

They haven’t until someone buys it at that. I’m not surprised it’s that OPC.

I bought a similar spec car new from OPC Mid Sussex for £113k which included a discount, then sold it back them 3 years later (and 6 thou miles) when going through a divorce for shade below £90k…. Looks optimistically priced but they going for $450/550k plus in the states, so i wouldn’t be surprised if it sells for close to asking.

Well the clearest sign you’re being ripped off; it’s at an OPC

I sold mine last week for c. 220k Euros (but mine had 52k km on the clock). There were (and probably still are) a few listed from 300k to 400k Euros. Mine took about 6-7 months to sell and in the end I believe it sold from my dealer to another dealer (not sure in which country).

GT4P said: Since when have 997.2 RS got so expensive? This is my favourite RS in a fantastic colour but £350k I remember when you could have new or nearly new for £90k Great car though https://finder.porsche.com/gb/en-GB/search/911?mod... $800K in the US. A few have come up for over £1Mil. - and no, not the 4.0. https://www.elferspot.com/en/car/porsche-997-2-gt3...

My old one - with my eldest son, who now drives a Porsche of his own…

Looks like JZM have one that you have to register your interest to buy. Maybe closed bids situation?

Just seen that one at £350k with the OPC is reserved.

The GT Mezger market has significantly shifted. We shall see if its sustains.

PaulJC84 said: Just seen that one at £350k with the OPC is reserved. £350K + £10K to ship to Australia and do all the paperwork to import it. Sell in Australia for an average of £500K = infinite money glitch.

PaulJC84 said: Looks like JZM have one that you have to register your interest to buy. Maybe closed bids situation? Sale agreed. Heard it was around £335k but others may know better.

Jones the cat said: PaulJC84 said: Just seen that one at £350k with the OPC is reserved. £350K + £10K to ship to Australia and do all the paperwork to import it. Sell in Australia for an average of £500K = infinite money glitch. I hope they don't all get exported but they're out of my league anyway!

kinda depressing to see them that expensive tbh

WCZ said: kinda depressing to see them that expensive tbh Where you use to aspire to owning a car like the 997.2RS now they are just totally out of reach, but I do think it was on the cards for pre 991.1 Gt3s as they were built in such low volume compared to 991.1 and post GT products £200k for a 997.2 GT3 is next…..

Jones the cat said: PaulJC84 said: Just seen that one at £350k with the OPC is reserved. £350K + £10K to ship to Australia and do all the paperwork to import it. Sell in Australia for an average of £500K = infinite money glitch. Erm ... "Luxury cars in Australia are defined as those worth more than a certain value in AUD called the Luxury Car Threshold. This is irrespective of make or model. The Australian Tax Office (ATO) sets this threshold annually. Currently (2024-2025) this is AU$80,567 for ‘Other Vehicles’ and AU$91,387 for ‘Fuel Efficient Vehicles’, inclusive of GST. If you import any car into Australia that is valued above this threshold, it is subject to a 33% Luxury Car Tax (LCT) on top of GST ." GST (Goods and Services Tax) alone would be in excess of £35,000 ($65,000 AUD) whilst the luxury tax would be £116,000 ($217,000 AUD) Shipping and the necessary insurance would be another £5,000 minimum. Australian customs duty would be an additional 5%. Infinite money glitch ? Infinite rampant t******y (see Smith and Sniff for further details) more like.

GT4P said: Where you use to aspire to owning a car like the 997.2RS now they are just totally out of reach, but I do think it was on the cards for pre 991.1 Gt3s as they were built in such low volume compared to 991.1 and post GT products £200k for a 997.2 GT3 is next .. I kinda hope your right, but then again hope your wrong! I love my 997.2 GT3, and enjoy taking it out for the occasional Sprint/Hillclimb, its value is already a bit of a worry, if they went that far north, i might have an internal conflict about using it as such,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,but,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, its a car, albeit an amazing one,,, that loves to be driven. As my late Dad use to say, Enjoy, you cant take it with you

I recall two or so years ago my dealer mentioning prices for the 7.2 RS exploding in the US. Now it also has hit continental Europe - not at UK prices as discussed here but 1.5x for the GT3 2x for RS' of typical prices asked for two years ago

Mark A S said: I kinda hope your right, but then again hope your wrong! I love my 997.2 GT3, and enjoy taking it out for the occasional Sprint/Hillclimb, its value is already a bit of a worry, if they went that far north, i might have an internal conflict about using it as such,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,but,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, its a car, albeit an amazing one,,, that loves to be driven. As my late Dad use to say, Enjoy, you cant take it with you If you got away with buying it a lower level ie less than £100k then I would continue to enjoy as per because it will never be worth less than you paid the way current prices are going and the value of driving it is priceless.

Slippydiff said: Erm ... "Luxury cars in Australia are defined as those worth more than a certain value in AUD called the Luxury Car Threshold. This is irrespective of make or model. The Australian Tax Office (ATO) sets this threshold annually. Currently (2024-2025) this is AU$80,567 for Other Vehicles and AU$91,387 for Fuel Efficient Vehicles , inclusive of GST. If you import any car into Australia that is valued above this threshold, it is subject to a 33% Luxury Car Tax (LCT) on top of GST ." GST (Goods and Services Tax) alone would be in excess of £35,000 ($65,000 AUD) whilst the luxury tax would be £116,000 ($217,000 AUD) Shipping and the necessary insurance would be another £5,000 minimum. Australian customs duty would be an additional 5%. Infinite money glitch ? Infinite rampant t******y (see Smith and Sniff for further details) more like. Still a profit to be had. Destination Australia All-in cost after export/import/sale fees £390k £420k Likely sale price £500k £550k Net profit £80k £160k Destination Hong Kong All-in cost after export/import/sale fees £365k £380k Likely sale price £450k £600k Net profit £70k £235k Destination New Zealand All-in cost after export/import/sale fees ~£365k £385k Likely sale price £450k £500k Net profit £80k £100k Edited by Jones the cat on Wednesday 3rd June 00:06

My old 997.2RS...I had Sabine Schmitz drive it.

Jones the cat said: Still a profit to be had. Destination Australia All-in cost after export/import/sale fees £390k £420k Likely sale price £500k £550k Net profit £80k £160k Destination Hong Kong All-in cost after export/import/sale fees £365k £380k Likely sale price £450k £600k Net profit £70k £235k Destination New Zealand All-in cost after export/import/sale fees ~£365k £385k Likely sale price £450k £500k Net profit £80k £100k "Destination Australia All-in cost after export/import/sale fees £390k £420k " And you arrived at these figured how ?

Mark A S said: I kinda hope your right, but then again hope your wrong! I love my 997.2 GT3, and enjoy taking it out for the occasional Sprint/Hillclimb, its value is already a bit of a worry, if they went that far north, i might have an internal conflict about using it as such,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,but,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, its a car, albeit an amazing one,,, that loves to be driven. As my late Dad use to say, Enjoy, you cant take it with you I feel the same. But life is short and it might sound corny, but the memories you create are priceless. However, there is a level where I would take the money.

for anyone who actually likes driving, nothing kills that enjoyment faster than a car that's appreciating quickly..... things were a lot less complicated when cars weren't so stupidly priced.

isaldiri said: for anyone who actually likes driving, nothing kills that enjoyment faster than a car that's appreciating quickly..... things were a lot less complicated when cars weren't so stupidly priced. Wholeheartedly with you. The most common topic when discussing cars on forums, clubs, events and trackdays now seems to be “values”.

isaldiri said: for anyone who actually likes driving, nothing kills that enjoyment faster than a car that's appreciating quickly..... things were a lot less complicated when cars weren't so stupidly priced. for most cars it is probably only an issue if you own a low mileage one, the higher mileage ones won't follow at the same pace anyway imo. Otherwise people would have bitten my hand off given mine was by quite some margin (most of the time anyway) the cheapest one on the market for the last 6 months. In the end it was sold to a dealer and there was pretty much zero appetite from private buyers from what I gathered from my dealer.

Jones the cat said: Still a profit to be had. Destination Australia All-in cost after export/import/sale fees £390k £420k Likely sale price £500k £550k Net profit £80k £160k Destination Hong Kong All-in cost after export/import/sale fees £365k £380k Likely sale price £450k £600k Net profit £70k £235k Destination New Zealand All-in cost after export/import/sale fees ~£365k £385k Likely sale price £450k £500k Net profit £80k £100k Edited by Jones the cat on Wednesday 3rd June 00:06 You could only bring it to Australia as a personal import- so you would need to own in the UK for at least 12 months before export. As part of this you need to show that you lived in the UK for that period of time. And once it has arrived in Australia, the car is going to be sold worth less than the equivalent local market car as a result of the import history.

MDL111 said: isaldiri said: for anyone who actually likes driving, nothing kills that enjoyment faster than a car that's appreciating quickly..... things were a lot less complicated when cars weren't so stupidly priced. for most cars it is probably only an issue if you own a low mileage one, the higher mileage ones won't follow at the same pace anyway imo. Otherwise people would have bitten my hand off given mine was by quite some margin (most of the time anyway) the cheapest one on the market for the last 6 months. In the end it was sold to a dealer and there was pretty much zero appetite from private buyers from what I gathered from my dealer. not really. it has a bigger effect on low mileage car that's all because the impact of increasing mileage AND the absolute existing in price is greater. a higher mileage car might have taken longer to shift but equally vs 2 years ago, the price it finally did shift at would have been rather a lot more than if you had tried to sell it then.

isaldiri said: MDL111 said: isaldiri said: for anyone who actually likes driving, nothing kills that enjoyment faster than a car that's appreciating quickly..... things were a lot less complicated when cars weren't so stupidly priced. for most cars it is probably only an issue if you own a low mileage one, the higher mileage ones won't follow at the same pace anyway imo. Otherwise people would have bitten my hand off given mine was by quite some margin (most of the time anyway) the cheapest one on the market for the last 6 months. In the end it was sold to a dealer and there was pretty much zero appetite from private buyers from what I gathered from my dealer. not really. it has a bigger effect on low mileage car that's all because the impact of increasing mileage AND the absolute existing in price is greater. a higher mileage car might have taken longer to shift but equally vs 2 years ago, the price it finally did shift at would have been rather a lot more than if you had tried to sell it then. you are of course correct. My point was more that while the low mileage car might increase by say 150k, the higher one will only increase by say 50k during the same time period and they both started from a similar basis - so the % difference in value increases and as a result it "does not hurt as much" to continue driving the higher mileage one. I did actually have an offer to trade in my car last July for 165k and in the end I sold it for c 220k this May, so a very substantial increase even with the higher mileage.

I had a sneaky suspicion this would happen. I sold my 996 GT3 in 2025 and part of the reason for jumping on a 997.1 GT3 was a worry that prices would begin to creep up out of reach while I was out of a car. JZM have now sold a couple of 996 GT3 at £110k, 997.2 RS are £300k, 4.0RS now £0.75M+ ! I can see the next "restomod" 911 being some sort of Mezger GT3, you can quite easily take a sub £100k car and build a £800k 4.0 RS out of it for a fraction of the price of the real thing and even make it better.

The 996 and 997 cars are a lot rarer than the cars that followed, so my assumption was always in the long run they “should” end up higher than the more modern ones - once cars are old enough that ultimate performance does not matter as much anymore, it will largely be driven by build numbers imo. I sold mine, because I prefer driving the 996 C2 - anything from sound, to gearshift, to steering weight etc. in the end I just picked the 996 keys much more often. The 997 felt special too, but if it only gets driven a few k a year, then a bit pointless to keep it.

Another crazy price this time a GT2RS but then these weren’t cheap new https://finder.porsche.com/gb/en-GB/details/porsch...

GT4P said: Another crazy price this time a GT2RS but then these weren t cheap new https://finder.porsche.com/gb/en-GB/details/porsch... I think somebody on here thought long and hard about one for c. 180k when they were still relatively new - it was definitely below list from what I recall.

I never understood the appeal of this red and black interior. Must just be me. The rest of the car is gorgeous

Dr S said: I never understood the appeal of this red and black interior. Must just be me. The rest of the car is gorgeous I think red and black could look ok if they did it slightly differently. I would have left the steering wheel grey/black and done the bottom of the dashboard and most of the lower parts of the doors in red (and then the same approach in the rear on the side panels) - it looks unfinished as it is, needs to be "tied together" better imo and then you also need red or black brake calipers imo.

MDL111 said: Dr S said: I never understood the appeal of this red and black interior. Must just be me. The rest of the car is gorgeous I think red and black could look ok if they did it slightly differently. I would have left the steering wheel grey/black and done the bottom of the dashboard and most of the lower parts of the doors in red (and then the same approach in the rear on the side panels) - it looks unfinished as it is, needs to be "tied together" better imo and then you also need red or black brake calipers imo. Odd how they went to all those lengths but didn't add the leather dash.

I quite like the plastic dash - had that in my RS - somehow looks “right” to my eyes, but no strong opinion either way

MDL111 said: I quite like the plastic dash - had that in my RS - somehow looks right to my eyes, but no strong opinion either way Have the plastic dash in my 7.2 RS too. I think it fits a track car and reminds me of the Cup cars of the time

A 4k mile 997.2 GT2 RS just went for over $1M in the USA.

White and red low miles 997.2RS: £400k https://jzmporsche.com/cars/porsche-911-p0912/ Saw this posted 2 hours ago and it’s already reserved.

https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/20645789 £460k reserved.

PRO5T said: https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/20645789 £460k reserved. Unicorn in that colour for the UK. Apples and oranges but this one listed yesterday (now reserved too) with less miles, shows the extra someone is willing to pay for Guards Red https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/20645787 Edited by Jones the cat on Thursday 25th June 12:28

wtf - a 4.0 is 800k now? sad to think of how little they'll be driven

I suppose all these expensive cars is a good way for criminal gangs to move money around, beats 10k watches lol

WCZ said: wtf - a 4.0 is 800k now? sad to think of how little they'll be driven the rhd 4.0 was always funny money and pretty much not driven so i guess a couple of hundred k isn't changing much there....

WCZ said: wtf - a 4.0 is 800k now? sad to think of how little they'll be driven They'll easily be £1Million within a few years.

A U.K. 4.0 sold for £750k last year, they’re already well over $1M in the USA I guess we’re catching up. Those 996 GT3s that sold the other month for £100k look like driveable bargains now. It’ll be interesting to see what none RS’ start getting pointed for next.

PRO5T said: A U.K. 4.0 sold for £750k last year, they re already well over $1M in the USA I guess we re catching up. Those 996 GT3s that sold the other month for £100k look like driveable bargains now. It ll be interesting to see what none RS start getting pointed for next. I do have a strong itch for a 6RS but I would not go which of the existing 3s to let go

Dr S said: I do have a strong itch for a 6RS but I would not go which of the existing 3s to let go There's only one for sale and it's POA, I suspect the usual suspects are frantically trying to round a couple up to pump the market on those too. They'll be £250k cars soon enough.

https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/20692980?u... Standard, comfort 997.1 GT3 £115k

PRO5T said: https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/20692980?u... Standard, comfort 997.1 GT3 £115k you'd think for that money they least they could do is add the PCCM+

Lovely RS in PTS Guards Red https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/20768518

Thats a fabulous car, but half a million? Crazy times.

mollytherocker said: Thats a fabulous car, but half a million? Crazy times. get it now before they reach £1 Mil. Only a matter of time.

https://www.iconicauctioneers.com/2007-porsche-911...

Prices of pre 2012 GT3/RS have certainly gone bonkers but has previously mentioned these earlier cars were built in very low numbers >2000 compared to the 991 onwards. Gone are the days of £40k GT3s

Youforreal. said: Orange Blackbird said: https://www.iconicauctioneers.com/2007-porsche-911... That car sat a long time in jzm just over a year ago for 149k, silly price for it! £241k seems like crazy money but the market has changed on Mezger GT3s for sure. I see it only increasing in future.

https://finder.porsche.com/gb/en-GB/details/porsch... £525k. 5.3k miles 2018 car. SIX previous owners. I mean, let's be honest - at this point it's not really a car. Just an investment vehicle (heh).

I'll just keep driving mine - here at the Grossglockner. Unlike many other cars that have shoot up in value for some inexplicable reason, the 4.0 deserves it. It is one of the automotive greats. Had it from new. Edited by hornbaek on Monday 27th July 10:04 Edited by hornbaek on Monday 27th July 10:28

hornbaek said: I'll just keep driving mine - here at the Grossglockner. Unlike many other cars that have shoot up in value for some inexplicable reason, the 4.0 deserves it. It is one of the automotive greats. Had it from new. the bats t vagaries of the luxury car market has always been rather fickle. if it deserves to go up now, it also then deserved to be sticking doing bugger all for years so it can't only deserve to go up now as it's a 'great' or otherwise. it's a definitely a 'nice' car - the prices are (unfortunately currently) what they are. Deserved or otherwise. Edited by isaldiri on Monday 27th July 10:34

dxg said: https://finder.porsche.com/gb/en-GB/details/porsch... £525k. 5.3k miles 2018 car. SIX previous owners. I mean, let's be honest - at this point it's not really a car. Just an investment vehicle (heh). Ultimately, thats the future of every special/rare car, especially Porsches. Carrera GT, 993GT, 959, 2.7RS, 964RS etc etc. Others are going insane too like Ferrari. Look at models like the 360 Challenge Stradale and 430 Speciale!

Orange Blackbird said: https://www.iconicauctioneers.com/2007-porsche-911... That car sat a long time in jzm just over a year ago for 149k, silly price for it! Just read the ad, not the car I was thinking off as it seems to be possibly a one owner car, the one I seen was identical but high owner number, 9+ from memory, very similar mileage, 9k odd. Edited by Youforreal. on Monday 27th July 13:44

mollytherocker said: Ultimately, thats the future of every special/rare car, especially Porsches. Carrera GT, 993GT, 959, 2.7RS, 964RS etc etc. Unless you happen to own a unicorn 2.7RS with proven 20k miles the rest can be driven with impunity. Mileage comes an awful long way behind condition, provenance/history, matching numbers etc etc Sometimes older is better

Cheib said: Unless you happen to own a unicorn 2.7RS with proven 20k miles the rest can be driven with impunity. Mileage comes an awful long way behind condition, provenance/history, matching numbers etc etc Sometimes older is better Its up to the individual whether they drive with impunity but even a 2.7RS with 150k miles on it is still worth at least £500k and probably more! Of course, it depends how wealthy you are.

isaldiri said: for anyone who actually likes driving, nothing kills that enjoyment faster than a car that's appreciating quickly..... things were a lot less complicated when cars weren't so stupidly priced. If you buy in at the current prices, then yes, but if you bought at lower prices, you are getting 'free' motoring less the increased insurance and higher prices for parts and servicing?

Cheib said: mollytherocker said: Ultimately, thats the future of every special/rare car, especially Porsches. Carrera GT, 993GT, 959, 2.7RS, 964RS etc etc. Unless you happen to own a unicorn 2.7RS with proven 20k miles the rest can be driven with impunity. Mileage comes an awful long way behind condition, provenance/history, matching numbers etc etc Sometimes older is better Like us you mean

993rsr said: If you buy in at the current prices, then yes, but if you bought at lower prices, you are getting 'free' motoring less the increased insurance and higher prices for parts and servicing? So any one who bought say a 997.2 RS when new at £90k and there were still a few with very low miles for similar money a few years after, and actually used ie 4/5 k per annum so about 70k on the clock would still come out on top financially and enjoyed the car which is what it is all about not these 1k a year cars and coffee ownerships

993rsr said: Cheib said: mollytherocker said: Ultimately, thats the future of every special/rare car, especially Porsches. Carrera GT, 993GT, 959, 2.7RS, 964RS etc etc. Unless you happen to own a unicorn 2.7RS with proven 20k miles the rest can be driven with impunity. Mileage comes an awful long way behind condition, provenance/history, matching numbers etc etc Sometimes older is better Like us you mean Possibly

3 amazing US ones https://www.elferspot.com/en/car/porsche-997-2-gt3... https://www.elferspot.com/en/car/porsche-997-2-gt3... https://www.elferspot.com/en/car/porsche-997-2-gt3...

Wow - the more I look at the 997 GT3 the more it is the perfect car. Size, weight, simplicity, agility and sound all in one package.

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993rsr said: isaldiri said: for anyone who actually likes driving, nothing kills that enjoyment faster than a car that's appreciating quickly..... things were a lot less complicated when cars weren't so stupidly priced. If you buy in at the current prices, then yes, but if you bought at lower prices, you are getting 'free' motoring less the increased insurance and higher prices for parts and servicing? getting a bit of deja vu as we've had this discussion in person some time back... not so easy unfortunately as everyone accounts for stuff a bit differently i suppose.....

993rsr said: If you buy in at the current prices, then yes, but if you bought at lower prices, you are getting 'free' motoring less the increased insurance and higher prices for parts and servicing? Absolutely true BUT I think the psychological issue is that putting mileage on them is devaluing them at a higher rate than before and therefore, driving them costs more. That is the reality NOW, but I appreciate of course if you bought them when they were far cheaper, then you could be pragmatic about this, even though the higher cost to drive today is the reality. I am not in anyway suggesting you sell them or hide them away though! Enjoy whilst you can!

Why would someone worry about putting miles on one having paid today’s prices? I didn’t worry about putting miles on them paying last years prices. Which was much higher than ten years ago prices… You buy one because you want one and to drive one no matter when you got it surely?

PRO5T said: Why would someone worry about putting miles on one having paid today s prices? I didn t worry about putting miles on them paying last years prices. Which was much higher than ten years ago prices You buy one because you want one and to drive one no matter when you got it surely? Completely agree, It is about the experience and the fun of using the car. I never worry about mileage. I'll be dead long enough

RDMcG said: PRO5T said: Why would someone worry about putting miles on one having paid today s prices? I didn t worry about putting miles on them paying last years prices. Which was much higher than ten years ago prices You buy one because you want one and to drive one no matter when you got it surely? Completely agree, It is about the experience and the fun of using the car. I never worry about mileage. I'll be dead long enough I agree, buying at list, or last years prices is one thing, but would you drive it regardless if you paid £500k for a mint 997.2 RS £900k for a 4.0RS or £2.5m for a CGT? At these prices they are just another asset class, no one is going to buy at these prices and bang on 5000 miles a year, in fact at these prices I'm sure most folks barely see them.

Maybe in ten years time this years prices will look cheap. As I keep saying, the people buying a half million pound GT3 will likely have a number of different cars. If they manage 5k miles enjoying them, or even 10k miles it’ll be a tiny amount split between the collection. Or maybe road trip one each year for 2.5k miles and then the next one the following year, then the next one… I enjoyed one of my classic race cars thoroughly for around a year, a number of road rally’s, a Scottish Borders tour, couple of car shows and a good few track days (which admittedly I trailered to and from in case something happened on track). I think I did just over 2700 miles in one year. It made not a joy of difference to the value and if I’d have had five or six cars it probably wouldn’t have been used for another couple of years as I’d have had other adventures in others cars after that.

993rsr said: I agree, buying at list, or last years prices is one thing, but would you drive it regardless if you paid £500k for a mint 997.2 RS £900k for a 4.0RS or £2.5m for a CGT? At these prices they are just another asset class, no one is going to buy at these prices and bang on 5000 miles a year, in fact at these prices I'm sure most folks barely see them. agreed, they are basically undriveable at current for decent mileages unless you clock them same thing happened with f40's where people just started disconnecting the odometer as the depreciation per mile is absolutely insane

Hindsight is wonderful thing you could have bought two cars new or nearly new for less than £200k one to drive and one to store then sell the one you have been driving for 15 years keep the one you didn’t drive and still be quids in plus an undriven car worth xyz

PRO5T said: Maybe in ten years time this years prices will look cheap. As I keep saying, the people buying a half million pound GT3 will likely have a number of different cars. If they manage 5k miles enjoying them, or even 10k miles it ll be a tiny amount split between the collection. Or maybe road trip one each year for 2.5k miles and then the next one the following year, then the next one That's exactly right. I drove my 7.2 GT3 many years as a daily and it has substantial mileage on the clock. For many years now, I travel so extensively that overall mileage per year is limited. By now, it is split across several cars. Hence milage of each of them grows slowly

Do these current 997 GT3 RS prices now make the vanilla GT3 look like great value? I continue to love my 997.2 GT3 a driving tool and after 14 years and >50k miles, I have no desire to change it for anything.

I think that there are two markets in parallel. There is the collector market where cars have very little mileage and every mile added to the car goes straight towards depreciation - so these cars will have no mileage but many owners. Then you have the "enthusiast" market, where cars are driven say minimum 1.000 miles a year and by now have 15.000-20.000 miles on the clock. Here it doesn't matter whether that number is +/- 10.000 and the value of the car stays below the collector market to a point where mileage becomes completely irrelevant - see 1960-70ties cars where all this doesn't matter. Then it is about originality. If you want to drive the car then don't waste time on the very limited mileage ones as they will suffer once they move into the "drive" category.

mine (997.2 RS) was sold to a dealer who put it up for 100k more immediately ( I b hed about it to my dealer as I thought he made a deal with him, but so be it I will learn from that). I liked the car and enjoyed driving it, but I did not love it like I love the 996 - the 200+kg weight difference and less power do make a difference to enjoyment. Let the collectors fight over them and outbid each other. If you own one, just hold on to it and feel good about having a car that will probably never depreciate and when you are too old to push in the clutch, you sell it and your children will love you

Absolutely agree - well said.

https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/20672522?u... The markets crashed already!

PRO5T said: The markets crashed already! I don't think so https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/20831371

I have imported multiple Porsches in to two of the three jurisdictions you have identified. Your figures are wildly off the mark, unless you think buyers want an unregistered vehicle.

Jones the cat said: Still a profit to be had. Destination Australia All-in cost after export/import/sale fees £390k £420k Likely sale price £500k £550k Net profit £80k £160k Destination Hong Kong All-in cost after export/import/sale fees £365k £380k Likely sale price £450k £600k Net profit £70k £235k Destination New Zealand All-in cost after export/import/sale fees ~£365k £385k Likely sale price £450k £500k Net profit £80k £100k Edited by Jones the cat on Wednesday 3rd June 00:06 Oops. Apologies for the double post. As above. Based on personal experience in two of these jurisdictions, your figures are wildly inaccurate.

It’s amazing what hype will do … but maybe that’s what “investment grade “ is about ?

Close to half a £mill https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202608104...

Jones the cat said: 3 amazing US ones https://www.elferspot.com/en/car/porsche-997-2-gt3... https://www.elferspot.com/en/car/porsche-997-2-gt3... https://www.elferspot.com/en/car/porsche-997-2-gt3... Obviously, you need all three of them

Jones the cat said: Close to half a £mill https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202608104... That is very nice - and so is the price.

https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/20878775?u...

PRO5T said: https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/20878775?u... Wow that is a terrible advert! Pics in the dark and its dirty. Absolutely no description!

The seller has had this car up for sale privately for a while, you do wonder if he really wants to sell🤣

What do we reckon this might go for? Be interesting if the mods add or retract from the value, sounds a great spec to me apart from the scaffolding. Diff and box mods are something i fancy doing to mine. https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/auction/20877861

The diff is a no brainer as the standard OEM is close to chocolate. Cup final drive with taller 6th more or less gets you the 7.2rs ratios - it’s a nice to have for sure but not a must have like guards/cup diff upgrade I’d say.

White with Weiss gold decals. https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202609216...

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202609216... 997.1 GT3 Clubsport £150k

PRO5T said: https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202609216... 997.1 GT3 Clubsport £150k Daft prices when you can buy a manual 992 gt3 for the ask.

Some of these dealers are now just testing the water. A 997.2 GT3 RS at 500k is silly. But with the lack of cars for sale, they are thinking why not? The irony is that this gaming could crash the market as potential buyers just walk away. Dont get me wrong, this is still a £300k+ car all day but these dealers are risking breaking the market.

Even at £300k still think it’s strong money for 997.2gt3rs

GT4P said: Even at £300k still think it s strong money for 997.2gt3rs 300 is daft and not worth it,the usa market is on fire but thats the usa. 991 gt2 jumped a couple of hundred k after not being able sell at 300,so they ask 500 and still not selling,no surprise. Dont believe all that are under offer or sold just to help bump up premiums for the gullible.

The main issue i believe is SOR - remove that sales model and a truer market would soon emerge. If dealers have to buy stock they won t pay silly money, and thus you won t get so many chancers testing the water. When dealers are reliant on the SOR model they might as well take on stock and list it at silly money as they have little to lose and much to gain. They struggle to say no to sellers with optimistic expectations because they need stock and volume to stay afloat. Given the prices being paid stateside it s not entirely surprising that British sellers are trying to find buyers at the current advertised levels. Edited by seawise on Tuesday 22 September 13:12

seawise said: The main issue i believe is SOR - remove that sales model and a truer market would soon emerge. If dealers have to buy stock they won t pay silly money, and thus you won t get so many chancers testing the water. When dealers are reliant on the SOR model they might as well take on stock and list it at silly money as they have little to lose and much to gain. They struggle to say no to sellers with optimistic expectations because they need stock and volume to stay afloat. Given the prices being paid stateside it s not entirely surprising that British sellers are trying to find buyers at the current advertised levels. Edited by seawise on Tuesday 22 September 13:12 But they need to sell cars to stay afloat so sitting on unsold stock is not going to keep the wolves from the door, unless there is another business model at play here?;)

The silver comfort 997.1 GT3 has sold at £125k asking, my Clubsport sold and was collected week before last… They are out there and they’re selling.

Jones the cat said: White with Weiss gold decals. https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202609216... My favourite stock colour combo

with ferrari 360 CS'S selling for £600k here and $1m in america imo it makes £150k 997 GT3's seem alright value in a weird way, all the special cars from this period are going up tons and as mentioned they are selling

Dr S said: My favourite stock colour combo gotta be grey/gold cmon.....

my white and gold car is still for sale after another dealer bought it and price was reduced a little sometime during the last month. If it sells, he will make a very healthy margin (70ish), but we will see if he has to sit on it all winter.

isaldiri said: Dr S said: My favourite stock colour combo gotta be grey/gold cmon..... blue and red surely…..

PaulJC84 said: isaldiri said: Dr S said: My favourite stock colour combo gotta be grey/gold cmon..... blue and red surely .. Grey and red!

white and gold is the correct answer followed by grey and gold ....

isaldiri said: gotta be grey/gold cmon.....

Grey Black with Guards Red contrast is the defining combination https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202609296...

Last year these were circa £210k and several available to chose from! I ended up buying a 997.2 GT3 club sport instead, kicking myself I did not stretch for the RS but looking at what some 997.1 and lesser specced 997.2 GT3s are going for the whole market has definitely moved.

Jones the cat said: Grey Black with Guards Red contrast is the defining combination https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202609296... Drivel. Everyone knows Brooklands Green and BRM Orange is the GOAT colour combo. The Rover 200 BRM LE in this colour combo is a unicorn (as are the other 1108 they produced) Porsche knew superlative styling creativity when they saw it, just as Ferrari did 7 years later :

LaSource said: isaldiri said: gotta be grey/gold cmon..... No. You're both wrong. La Source's white & black 7.2 RS looked best IMHO.

Slippydiff said: Drivel. Everyone knows Brooklands Green and BRM Orange is the GOAT colour combo. The Rover 200 BRM LE in this colour combo is a unicorn (as are the other 1108 they produced) The price as now shot up on these from fiver to quarter of a million

Digga said: LaSource said: isaldiri said: gotta be grey/gold cmon..... No. You're both wrong. La Source's white & black 7.2 RS looked best IMHO. There's only one colour for a 997.2 GT3 RS ... and it ain't white, grey, green or yellow ... https://gtspirit.com/2016/08/14/rare-zanzibar-red-... I'd have the "lips" painted in 1A8/1A9 or satin black, and the wheels painted to match the decals. But failing that it would be Oslo Blue with silver wheels :

Slippy, as wise as you usually are, i have to disagree there. Alpinestars signal yellow 7.2rs.

isaldiri said: Slippy, as wise as you usually are, i have to disagree there. Alpinestars signal yellow 7.2rs. Hi S, I hope you're well ? Signal yellow would be up there in my top 5 colours. Viper and Mexico blue would make the rest of that top 5 up. VW Candy white, probably not.

That oslo blue one is incredible

I think they look great in all colours TBH albeit Carrera white with Black or Anthracite wheels with the central black Porsche stripe tickles my fancy. I think i will stop looking at values and just drive it, such an amazing car, IMO it warrants the death penalty for not using them

Mark A S said: I think they look great in all colours TBH albeit Carrera white with Black or Anthracite wheels with the central black Porsche stripe tickles my fancy. I think i will stop looking at values and just drive it, such an amazing car, IMO it warrants the death penalty for not using them I'd prefer mine in black, with Shell stripes and shaped like an Escort ... So I'd take DKP 191T EVERY time ... Congratulations on hiding your light under a bushel sir I was pushing it a bit too far. We were zigzagging down the road, and I was fighting it for hundreds of metres at high speed, and finally I lost it. Afterwards, they asked my co-driver Terry Harryman at what point he had realised we were going to have a major accident. He replied: "In scrutineering ." - Ari Vatanen pushing the black Escort hard in 1982. Sadly Terry left the building on 21st of September this year. Another legend gone https://www.wrc.com/en/news/terry-harryman-obituar... Epic car |

Slippydiff said: I'd prefer mine in black, with Shell stripes and shaped like an Escort ... So I'd take DKP 191T EVERY time ... Congratulations on hiding your light under a bushel sir I was pushing it a bit too far. We were zigzagging down the road, and I was fighting it for hundreds of metres at high speed, and finally I lost it. Afterwards, they asked my co-driver Terry Harryman at what point he had realised we were going to have a major accident. He replied: "In scrutineering ." - Ari Vatanen pushing the black Escort hard in 1982. Sadly Terry left the building on 21st of September this year. Another legend gone https://www.wrc.com/en/news/terry-harryman-obituar... | Indeed, it was Being bias though, it was a fair bit quicker when like this in 1986. That shell [ in yellow ] and original log book are apparently in a barn in Essex. Anyway, back to Porsches Epic car

isaldiri said: Slippy, as wise as you usually are, i have to disagree there. Alpinestars signal yellow 7.2rs. Oh yes, this...

Digga said: No. You're both wrong. La Source's white & black 7.2 RS looked best IMHO.

LaSource said: Digga said: No. You're both wrong. La Source's white & black 7.2 RS looked best IMHO. Wonderful. As you know, I'd no idea you'd previously owned that when it last came up for sale at JZM. It was most definitely one of the cars that was, at the time, tempting me away from my 997.1 GT3. It is sad to say I am sort of glad I never went down the 7.2 RS route. Not because they're not utterly brilliant cars, but the way the values are climbing would make me very much less likely to enjoy on track. Even the car I am in now is - for my means - a bit of a concern. I can just about not worry about it for 8 minutes at a time around the 'Ring.

Digga said: Wonderful. As you know, I'd no idea you'd previously owned that when it last came up for sale at JZM. It was most definitely one of the cars that was, at the time, tempting me away from my 997.1 GT3. .. you missed a trick with that car tbh. As I always remind him, it was definitely faster than the grey/red one he got after abandoning the white/black one too early

isaldiri said: Digga said: Wonderful. As you know, I'd no idea you'd previously owned that when it last came up for sale at JZM. It was most definitely one of the cars that was, at the time, tempting me away from my 997.1 GT3. .. you missed a trick with that car tbh. As I always remind him, it was definitely faster than the grey/red one he got after abandoning the white/black one too early Yes. Also had the CGT buckets too, which I think I prefer. Still price issue still the major 'problem' for me now.

Digga said: Still price issue still the major 'problem' for me now. Same with me and your old car, the value is a physical barrier I can't escape considering I want to actually use them on track. Once it was obvious it was worth considerably over £100k I can't square that risk. Hence looking for a GT4 again.

PRO5T said: Digga said: Still price issue still the major 'problem' for me now. Same with me and your old car, the value is a physical barrier I can't escape considering I want to actually use them on track. Once it was obvious it was worth considerably over £100k I can't square that risk. Hence looking for a GT4 again. I had a bit of a wobble with the new car. I broke my hand (trees don't swerve) 2 days before collecting it, so was 6 weeks off the mountain bikes while that healed. So I was left with enough time to have a good look around the car, fit the Surface Transform brakes and carry out a DIY oil change. It was totally obvious the car had been a garage queen, a cherished cars 'n' coffee machine. Not the slightest bit of tyre rubber anywhere underneath. I suddenly felt conflicted about tracking it. I spoke to the wife and she set me straight - pointing out that if I'd bought it new, I'd have had it on track as soon as it was run-in. (Her language was less diplomatic than that, but you get the idea.)

Mark A S said: Slippydiff said: I'd prefer mine in black, with Shell stripes and shaped like an Escort ... So I'd take DKP 191T EVERY time ... Congratulations on hiding your light under a bushel sir I was pushing it a bit too far. We were zigzagging down the road, and I was fighting it for hundreds of metres at high speed, and finally I lost it. Afterwards, they asked my co-driver Terry Harryman at what point he had realised we were going to have a major accident. He replied: "In scrutineering ." - Ari Vatanen pushing the black Escort hard in 1982. Sadly Terry left the building on 21st of September this year. Another legend gone https://www.wrc.com/en/news/terry-harryman-obituar... | Indeed, it was Being bias though, it was a fair bit quicker when like this in 1986. That shell [ in yellow ] and original log book are apparently in a barn in Essex. Anyway, back to Porsches Epic car Porsche’s can do that too…mine doing it in the 70’s. Not with me at the wheel

isaldiri said: Digga said: Wonderful. As you know, I'd no idea you'd previously owned that when it last came up for sale at JZM. It was most definitely one of the cars that was, at the time, tempting me away from my 997.1 GT3. .. you missed a trick with that car tbh. As I always remind him, it was definitely faster than the grey/red one he got after abandoning the white/black one too early Remember dropping the first owner off at cambridge to collect it.

993rsr said: isaldiri said: Digga said: Wonderful. As you know, I'd no idea you'd previously owned that when it last came up for sale at JZM. It was most definitely one of the cars that was, at the time, tempting me away from my 997.1 GT3. .. you missed a trick with that car tbh. As I always remind him, it was definitely faster than the grey/red one he got after abandoning the white/black one too early Remember dropping the first owner off at cambridge to collect it. A red letter day indeed. ;thumbup: A very kind 4 litre RS owner played Uber driver to shuttle me from the railway station to JZM to collect mine.

Cheib said: Porsche s can do that too mine doing it in the 70 s. Not with me at the wheel Indeed they can Brands, 1988.

Mark A S said: Indeed they can Brands, 1988. They must have been on the same grid then

I did the Autofarm modified Porsche series along with Intermarque, 87 and 88. Bandit 2.7RS, was this a nice chap called something Taylor? Who was driving GJC 24 then? I recognise Bob Watsons yellow and blue 911, good bloke, sadly missed.

Digga said: PRO5T said: Digga said: Still price issue still the major 'problem' for me now. Same with me and your old car, the value is a physical barrier I can't escape considering I want to actually use them on track. Once it was obvious it was worth considerably over £100k I can't square that risk. Hence looking for a GT4 again. I had a bit of a wobble with the new car. I broke my hand (trees don't swerve) 2 days before collecting it, so was 6 weeks off the mountain bikes while that healed. So I was left with enough time to have a good look around the car, fit the Surface Transform brakes and carry out a DIY oil change. It was totally obvious the car had been a garage queen, a cherished cars 'n' coffee machine. Not the slightest bit of tyre rubber anywhere underneath. I suddenly felt conflicted about tracking it. I spoke to the wife and she set me straight - pointing out that if I'd bought it new, I'd have had it on track as soon as it was run-in. (Her language was less diplomatic than that, but you get the idea.) I get it-really do and the sentiment does work as long as you can compartmentalise the cost. Any plaything I have will do at least one day at the 'ring every year and it won't have insurance. Even when we could get insurance and it was (I think) 20% of the vehicle value excess it sharpens your pencil. I keep looking at 4 RS' but I know it would be totally futile. I'd end up doing one track day and selling it.

Mark A S said: I did the Autofarm modified Porsche series along with Intermarque, 87 and 88. Bandit 2.7RS, was this a nice chap called something Taylor? Who was driving GJC 24 then? I recognise Bob Watsons yellow and blue 911, good bloke, sadly missed. That'd be Bill.

Slippydiff said: Mark A S said: I did the Autofarm modified Porsche series along with Intermarque, 87 and 88. Bandit 2.7RS, was this a nice chap called something Taylor? Who was driving GJC 24 then? I recognise Bob Watsons yellow and blue 911, good bloke, sadly missed. That'd be Bill. Yep Bill Taylor,used to race a original rs also,great chap and driver.Me and my son used to do the Bill Talylor Memorial Race every year,great fun.

That's the chap. Met Bill at a race meeting at lydden 1984 ( I was in DKP) he came and introduced himself. Lovely bloke.

Mark A S said: I did the Autofarm modified Porsche series along with Intermarque, 87 and 88. Bandit 2.7RS, was this a nice chap called something Taylor? Who was driving GJC 24 then? I recognise Bob Watsons yellow and blue 911, good bloke, sadly missed. Keith Russell…he did okay i think without being a leading driver. Must have been decent as he got a pretty big sponsorship from Pirelli which is when it was painted white.

isaldiri said: Slippy, as wise as you usually are, i have to disagree there. Alpinestars signal yellow 7.2rs. I managed to get 3 of the 4 UK PTS cars together earlier this year at my Cotswold meet… Mexico Blue Guards Red Porsche Green - no NOT viper

Slippydiff said: That'd be Bill. Am I right in thinking Bill raced a 2.7rs once owned by James Hunt ?