GT4 RS/ Spyder RS Experiences, Driving and Technical - Page 5 - Boxster/Cayman - PistonHeads UK

New car preparation from couple weeks back… De-conned, De-badged, PPF’d and coated. Start of service duty preparations… Running-In Update Busy accumulating the miles during dry-ish breaks in the weather and the 4RS is quite simply a joy at the moment. Huge sense of occasion… the drivetrain in the small chassis is so immediate, you can sense the energy just beneath the surface. You can feel it in the fibre of the car. RennSpaß indeed. So far, Zero issue with noise on a longer distance cruise. Can easily ‘make progress’ and listen to my favourite automotive podcasts or listen back to David Rodigan Show. PASM Sport Chassis provides the best overall ride and control experience based upon the factory setup the car is currently wearing. I then back it off to ‘normal’ if the surface gets a more broken, as it lets the wheels be a bit more free. My perspective is, of course, relative… coming from 981 GT4 -> 981 GT4 MR -> 718 GT4 MR and now into 4RS Will soon be able to open the taps more and see whether any of the reported other characteristics show themselves, with more pace and load.

The new menace… If there was ever a car designed for me… I think this is it. The specification includes everything you need, and nothing you don’t, for the intended purpose. A1 Black over Silver wheels with Black Callipers. IMO a case study for ‘less is definitely more’. Non-WP - because I have always preferred the cleaner look, and then this budget is reserved for actual performance related mods and consumables as/when required. Steel brakes, for me no point speccing PCCB only to take them off and put them in a box. Other options: Front axle lift, Extended Leather with arctic-grey, Clubsport - of course, Bose, Light design, Smokers package. PDLS +, Race-tex sunvisors, Illuminated door sills, seat mounted extinguisher (as it’s a bit smaller/neater) might change for firestick anyway. Door pulls and seatbelts in black. Car has already been away for a few visual tweaks (that i have been hinting at) as well as full PPF and coating etc, and track day preparation in progress. No update on driving impressions until i have validated the setup as they come all wrong from the factory anyway. Only thing to say is that even during early running in…. The car is rapid, and i cannot even open the taps yet. I had my PEC day a few weeks back in a centre car, and forfeited handling circuit exercises in favour of essentially a 90min extended test drive on local A + B routes and a cruise for a few junctions on the M1. Back to my car and I was very fortunate to be able to see the car as it landed at dealership and I was able to do the unwrapping myself ahead of PDI. I also purchased 1L of the new C40-GT oil. £28.30inc Allocation story is an interesting one. I actually had 2 cars a one point for short while, pre- price rise. No strings, no games, no overs The next iteration of the Track Day Toy is here, the new adventure has already begun… Edited by TDT on Sunday 6th October 19:17

Running-In Update ... Still getting used to engine response within the allowable running in rpm range. By the book it’s up to 7k for 1st 932mls/1500km…however I’m really trying to keep to 5.5-6k for the 1st 600mls, then then will start to extend over 7k -8k for the next 600mls. Probably means I won’t get to use the full range until after RS day in March ‘25… but I’m in no rush… the car isn’t going anywhere, and I’m actually enjoying the process of learning the new engine and gearbox pairing. The acceleration is rabid, response feel like it’s wired to my synapses… It’s alive.

Much the same for me, had my car a week and probably won't finish running in until early next year due to limited time to actually drive it each week and then having no desire to drive on Cup 2's on greasy, muddy fen roads during the depths of winter. Loving the car so far. Gentian blue, WP, Mags, PCCB, Bose. Replaced a 991.1 GT3 Will get geometry done when after running in.

Had my car since January, love it, everything I’ve wanted from a 4 now with a beast engine. Valve controller on, BCF OAP on, Manthey alignment on Car is mainly road use with a few European track days every year.

So i am at 1500 miles. Today i changed my mags for my alloys, second time Ive done centrelocks. A write up if anyone cares. Im new to these things. I am using: - and extendable breaker bar - a renntorq torq multipler - a Wera Click Torque wrench C3 set at 95 ftlbs - a piece of plywood (30cmx20cmx12mm) - a woodworking clamp (reversed) 18” - a Coatic centrelock guide - a tube of Molylube It takes about 10-15’ mins per wheel. I start the car, handbrake on, use the piece of wood against the seat cushion and use the clamp to push the brake pedal down. Crack off each nut by about a 1/16th of a turn on the ground, then raise each side remove, clean and grease the nut and replace. Kit is small enough for my rear boot. Anyone need photos or parts please reply. Does anyone have a copy of the Porsche approved instructions for centrelocks as I want to make sure I am cleaning and lubing the right bits. Snowy!

I had my black alloys recoloured Porsche Satin Aurum. Hence post above.

Snowy999 said: So i am at 1500 miles. Today i changed my mags for my alloys, second time Ive done centrelocks. A write up if anyone cares. Im new to these things. I am using: - and extendable breaker bar - a renntorq torq multipler - a Wera Click Torque wrench C3 set at 95 ftlbs - a piece of plywood (30cmx20cmx12mm) - a woodworking clamp (reversed) 18” - a Coatic centrelock guide - a tube of Molylube It takes about 10-15’ mins per wheel. I start the car, handbrake on, use the piece of wood against the seat cushion and use the clamp to push the brake pedal down. Crack off each nut by about a 1/16th of a turn on the ground, then raise each side remove, clean and grease the nut and replace. Kit is small enough for my rear boot. Anyone need photos or parts please reply. Does anyone have a copy of the Porsche approved instructions for centrelocks as I want to make sure I am cleaning and lubing the right bits. Snowy! Do you have an instruction manual ? This is covered in pages 238 to 243 of the 991.2 GT3 Driver's Manual ... I can photograph the pages and post them if you don't already have this ... it's in the Tyres and Wheels section ... (!)

I'M IN!

Will be in physical drivers manual as Chris says or on the Porsche App … there is an digital version there also.

Its a real arse ache having the centre lock wheels luckily I have a full kit that I bought when I had the GT3 that I never sold when I sold the car so hopefully get acquainted with this process although I think with my use of the car it will likely be summer only. Does the RS come with the Cup 2 or Sport Maxx Tyres? the Cup 2s are horrific in the cold but the Sport Maxx I had on my normal GT4 were actually ok in the cold as long as it was dry.

fridaypassion said: Does the RS come with the Cup 2 or Sport Maxx Tyres? the Cup 2s are horrific in the cold but the Sport Maxx I had on my normal GT4 were actually ok in the cold as long as it was dry. Yep, either Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 or Dunlop Sport Maxx 2. Most seem to be coming with Dunlops at the moment. I have them on mine… will run them until there are done.. will be good to have a baseline, as I’ve decided to relearn everything from scratch again.

Surprisingly behind the wheel I’ve found the 4RS considerably more engaging and visceral than any of my previous RS cars- the handling and feel of the car at high speed is frankly addictive.

OK ... here we go: Because of the interlock it's important that the socket does not slip off the centre lock. I believe that all centre locks are the same ... so no locking wheel nut ! It was suggested to me that a scissor jack be used to support the head of the torque wrench at the correct height of the centre lock both to stop it slipping and to keep it perpendicular to the socket ... P.S. The centre lock guide is really useful ... not supplied with the car. Edited by ChrisW. on Sunday 6th October 22:00

TDT said: Yep, either Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 or Dunlop Sport Maxx 2. Most seem to be coming with Dunlops at the moment. I have them on mine… will run them until there are done.. will be good to have a baseline, as I’ve decided to relearn everything from scratch again. I think the Dunlops are much better than the Cup 2 overall

Great shout on this new topic. I bought a new, manual, GT4 last year and am thinking about moving to an RS but it's a lot of money and so I'm keen to hear people's impressions and experiences. If anyone's come from a manual 718 GT4 I'd be intrigued to hear how you've found the move to the PDK box. Any regrets? Cheers

As we now have a good number of buyers and drivers on PH now - with these cars getting into good hands, Lets have a thread which discusses Experiences, Driving and Technical Topics. The topic of availability is essentially dead, due to overs disappearing, speculators leaving the market and good levels of lightly used cars on the market, but If you want to talk values... Please go to the GT4 RS Availability Thread -> Here which remains open for now, exclusively for you. On this thread the hope is that we will have discussions and insights from buyers, drivers and enthusiasts, and it is open to both 718 RS models. As of thread start - October 2024, the 1st 2022 cars are now 2years old and due 1st service or recently had. There will probably be issues with the cars - not many of them discussed publicly, out of fear of eroding values... but no need to worry about that anymore! Hope we can also correctly bifurcate myth from reality with respect to ride, intake noise, 'fiddly' roofs, or any other characteristics of the cars that might be overblown or under-reported. Please share experiences, setup details, meets, modifications, upgrades and tweaks. Hopefully I'm not a lone voice of enthusiasm for 718 RS. Edited by TDT on Sunday 6th October 22:21

FredBasset said: Much the same for me, had my car a week and probably won't finish running in until early next year due to limited time to actually drive it each week and then having no desire to drive on Cup 2's on greasy, muddy fen roads during the depths of winter. Loving the car so far. Gentian blue, WP, Mags, PCCB, Bose. Replaced a 991.1 GT3 Will get geometry done when after running in. I hope, I am not flouting the rule. Would appreciate comparison of the 4RS with GT3 991.1

I moved from a 981GT4 to a 991.2 GT3RS (hence an interloper here) and despite the GT4 box being one of the best, the PDK is better. I think the reason many find it alien in manual is because in auto it is so very good ... only jarring when you need instant maximum go and then lift ... it takes a little time for the car to realise and change back up but the initial downshifts were far swifter than a manual change would have been unless a planned change. Hence I drive in auto around town and manual out of town ... just to keep my hand in. A plus is that there is no need to rev-check a PDK car, flat changes and mid corner changes are an option .... and the car is more economical. Win, win, win ... but no heel and toeing etc.

lotusgeek said: Great shout on this new topic. I bought a new, manual, GT4 last year and am thinking about moving to an RS but it's a lot of money and so I'm keen to hear people's impressions and experiences. If anyone's come from a manual 718 GT4 I'd be intrigued to hear how you've found the move to the PDK box. Any regrets? Cheers Come from a manual 718 GT4 to GT4RS only covered 380 miles so far, bought car then went on holiday for 3 weeks, so run in process may have to wait until after winter, depending on weather etc. As for going from manual to PDK, we hired a 4RS for 2 days in Germany & Austria back in June, covered 400 miles, personally much prefer the PDK over manual in our GT4, think it suits the car better & makes for faster progress, but that’s just our opinion. Have to say first time we drove GT4 after hire car I knew its days were numbered. Different to most on here, won’t be going on track, car will be for Euro trips, certainly no expert driver & probably wouldn’t be a car most 60 year old couples would use for this purpose but we both love it. Edited by Paul_N on Sunday 6th October 23:36

TDT said: The specification includes everything you need, and nothing you don’t... Race-tex sunvisors, Illuminated door sills In all seriousness, I think yours is the best looking one I've seen yet, silver wheels are making a come back and the fully painted bonnet of the none-WP gives the car a much cleaner visual appearance. Look forward to seeing it out on track in the future

Paul_N said: lotusgeek said: Great shout on this new topic. I bought a new, manual, GT4 last year and am thinking about moving to an RS but it's a lot of money and so I'm keen to hear people's impressions and experiences. If anyone's come from a manual 718 GT4 I'd be intrigued to hear how you've found the move to the PDK box. Any regrets? Cheers Come from a manual 718 GT4 to GT4RS only covered 380 miles so far, bought car then went on holiday for 3 weeks, so run in process may have to wait until after winter, depending on weather etc. As for going from manual to PDK, we hired a 4RS for 2 days in Germany & Austria back in June, covered 400 miles, personally much prefer the PDK over manual in our GT4, think it suits the car better & makes for faster progress, but that’s just our opinion. Have to say first time we drove GT4 after hire car I knew its days were numbered. Different to most on here, won’t be going on track, car will be for Euro trips, certainly no expert driver & probably wouldn’t be a car most 60 year old couples would use for this purpose but we both love it. Edited by Paul_N on Sunday 6th October 23:36 The Caterham next door says it all The GT4RS for road use seems to be a real piece of theatre .... I may do fewer track days now in my car but this is the sense that I have with my "equivalent". I still want a fun and regularly useable car that can ...

fridaypassion said: TDT said: Yep, either Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 or Dunlop Sport Maxx 2. Most seem to be coming with Dunlops at the moment. I have them on mine… will run them until there are done.. will be good to have a baseline, as I’ve decided to relearn everything from scratch again. I think the Dunlops are much better than the Cup 2 overall Having had both, back to back, on the same car, I’d have to disagree. Living in the north west, we are probably a bit colder and wetter than most places. I found the Dunlops operating window much smaller than the Cup2’s. The drop off below 12C was alarming in the wet. By comparisons the Cup2’s limit is approx 5-6C lower. And even then, the Dunlop was still worse, particularly under braking, than the Cups. However, on a warm dry day, the Dunlops are electric. Turn in and outright grip being the high points. For clarity this is on a 718 GT4 PDK PCCB car.

For those looking to heavily track their cars, I assume some upgraded rear toe links are necessary to get the extra camber whilst keeping the correct toe settings? Would the Manthey GT4 kit https://jzmporsche.com/parts/manthey-718-gt4-suspe... work on the RS rather than having to go the full fat Manthey kit? Also, anyone considering a DSC controller for the PASM? Seems like there is some positive feedback from the US on the RS having this fitted in allowing the suspension to work more optimally on uneven surfaces whilst also allowing some extra tuning of the dampers to suit the user.

LamedonM said: I hope, I am not flouting the rule. Would appreciate comparison of the 4RS with GT3 991.1 Power and torque drop off approaching the red line is far more noticeable with the gen 1 GT3 v the RS.

Mutton said: For those looking to heavily track their cars, I assume some upgraded rear toe links are necessary to get the extra camber whilst keeping the correct toe settings? Would the Manthey GT4 kit https://jzmporsche.com/parts/manthey-718-gt4-suspe... work on the RS rather than having to go the full fat Manthey kit? I've been running shims and rear toe arms for just about a year and a half now (before the MR ones were available). Mine are from String Theory and afaik, they are the same for the GT4 and GT4RS. I'm pretty sure the MR ones are the same I'm pretty they have the same part numbers

I'm a new owner and have enjoyed the experience so far. The theatre during any drive is great and exactly what I was hoping for. WP, painted bonnet stripe, Mags, FAL, racetex everywhere, Bose, PDLS. My wife is comfortable in it (which is saying something!) and as long as I'm not pressing on, she hasn't complained about the noise much. Loving the feedback through the steering wheel, the throttle response and damping particularly. I've found myself driving most in manual, PDK sport and PASM dampers. I have steel brakes, which are well modulated, but a little noisy at low speed. I've noticed a bit of bunny hopping on particularly bad surfaces when pressing on, so I'll get a proper suspension geo setup over the next few weeks. I've got Android auto working, and the only bother is that the nav from Waze doesn't appear in the instrument cluster smart display. Bose is surprisingly good and rich in sound quality. Getting in and out is an art and I'm concerned about damaging the seat bolster. Anyone got any tips?

PRO5T said: TDT said: The specification includes everything you need, and nothing you don’t... Race-tex sunvisors, Illuminated door sills At least it cannot be called poverty spec! Lol. PRO5T said: In all seriousness, I think yours is the best looking one I've seen yet, silver wheels are making a come back and the fully painted bonnet of the none-WP gives the car a much cleaner visual appearance. Look forward to seeing it out on track in the future Thank you very much. I really love the combo. I’ve been trying to figure out why it resonates so deeply and I finally figured it out. I have probably close to 100 pictures or shots of the 4RS over its development cycle, and all of these are black cars without too much addenda… and I just loved the ‘understated, q-car, skunkworks prototype, what is that - hard as nails’ look of them. I think mine fits the mould well … Edited by TDT on Monday 7th October 11:45

Mutton said: For those looking to heavily track their cars, I assume some upgraded rear toe links are necessary to get the extra camber whilst keeping the correct toe settings? Would the Manthey GT4 kit https://jzmporsche.com/parts/manthey-718-gt4-suspe... work on the RS rather than having to go the full fat Manthey kit? Also, anyone considering a DSC controller for the PASM? Seems like there is some positive feedback from the US on the RS having this fitted in allowing the suspension to work more optimally on uneven surfaces whilst also allowing some extra tuning of the dampers to suit the user. I believe it's possible to get to around -2.5 degrees of camber without needing new rear toe links .... ?

ChrisW. said: Mutton said: For those looking to heavily track their cars, I assume some upgraded rear toe links are necessary to get the extra camber whilst keeping the correct toe settings? Would the Manthey GT4 kit https://jzmporsche.com/parts/manthey-718-gt4-suspe... work on the RS rather than having to go the full fat Manthey kit? Also, anyone considering a DSC controller for the PASM? Seems like there is some positive feedback from the US on the RS having this fitted in allowing the suspension to work more optimally on uneven surfaces whilst also allowing some extra tuning of the dampers to suit the user. I believe it's possible to get to around -2.5 degrees of camber without needing new rear toe links .... ? Yep, that's about correct. I went -2.4 with stock parts initially and 'learnt the car' before going toe arms and -3.1. You can go almost -4 with the toe arms but will compromise road manners

arun1uk said: I've got Android auto working, and the only bother is that the nav from Waze doesn't appear in the instrument cluster smart display. Bose is surprisingly good and rich in sound quality. Getting in and out is an art and I'm concerned about damaging the seat bolster. Anyone got any tips? I probably should have mentioned that when I responded to you before about the instrument cluster but it wasn't such a big deal to me. Various sources of bolster protectors, ClassicFX here in the UK or Edguard over in the US. I went for the latter, Ed has a GT4RS and the covers arrived late last week. Colour match of leather and stitching is perfect.

av185 said: LamedonM said: I hope, I am not flouting the rule. Would appreciate comparison of the 4RS with GT3 991.1 Power and torque drop off approaching the red line is far more noticeable with the gen 1 GT3 v the RS. I can't really provide much thats insightful, I did drive another forum members 4RS before I sold the GT3. I found the rear end of the 911 more tied down on a set of tight S bends I know well but overall liked the 4RS experience. With my own, during the running in period, I now understand what I'd read about people moving to 991.2 GT3's from 991.1 versions. Its a bit more polished and refined, the drivetrain in particular. Too early to give much more insight.

Paul_N said: Different to most on here, won’t be going on track, car will be for Euro trips, certainly no expert driver & probably wouldn’t be a car most 60 year old couples would use for this purpose but we both love it. I'm in the same age group and recently bought a C4S for Euro-tripping - OK, not as exotic as an RS, but they're great cars for continental cruising.

Bit of a set up done, feels like it’s improved it in particular front end. This is such a fun car to drive, every trip is like a fair ground ride, the sounds, damping, steering feel, throttle response all just about perfect. The only thing I am not to keen on is forgot to spec white dials and should have gone guards red, aside to that it’s perfect. Whilst the ST agree with Top Gear is the best road driving 911 I have driven, this is very very close 2nd. Actually on a summer day with the roof down I think it might be the flip of a coin which is more fun. . Edited by APOLO1 on Monday 7th October 13:29

APOLO1 said: Bit of a set up done, feels like it’s improved it in particular front end. This is such a fun car to drive, every trip is like a fair ground ride, the sounds, damping, steering feel, throttle response all just about perfect. The only thing I am not to keen on is forgot to spec white dials and should have gone guards red, aside to that it’s perfect. Whilst the ST agree with Top Gear is the best road driving 911 I have driven, this is very very close 2nd. Actually on a summer day with the roof down I think it might be the flip of a coin which is more fun. Excellent - high praise indeed. Between 4RS, SRS and S/T - Porsche have really done something special wrt fun, feelings and vibes. Where did you go for setup.. can you share any details? I guess this won't be much different than GT4 or Spyder as SRS is essentially the same Spring/Damper rates as those cars - with its road focus.

TDT said: Excellent - high praise indeed. Between 4RS, SRS and S/T - Porsche have really done something special wrt fun, feelings and vibes. Where did you go for setup.. can you share any details? I guess this won't be much different than GT4 or Spyder as SRS is essentially the same Spring/Damper rates as those cars - with its road focus. Its that connection between, steering feel, sounds, damping, gear shifts, and throttle response. Very few get it spot on Mac did with its 675LT, As you say Porsche have done it with the cars you mention. Local OPC, will find out what they did, but its not a full on track set up as this is road car for me. Edited by APOLO1 on Monday 7th October 13:48

APOLO1 said: Bit of a set up done, feels like it’s improved it in particular front end. This is such a fun car to drive, every trip is like a fair ground ride, the sounds, damping, steering feel, throttle response all just about perfect. The only thing I am not to keen on is forgot to spec white dials and should have gone guards red, aside to that it’s perfect. Whilst the ST agree with Top Gear is the best road driving 911 I have driven, this is very very close 2nd. Actually on a summer day with the roof down I think it might be the flip of a coin which is more fun. . Edited by APOLO1 on Monday 7th October 13:29 Glad you are enjoying the SRS, D..... Venadium looks the dogs b imo. Has yours got steels or pccbs?

av185 said: Glad you are enjoying the SRS, D..... Venadium looks the dogs b imo. Has yours got steels or pccbs? PCCBs, think with this much power its nice to have them......

FredBasset said: arun1uk said: I've got Android auto working, and the only bother is that the nav from Waze doesn't appear in the instrument cluster smart display. Bose is surprisingly good and rich in sound quality. Getting in and out is an art and I'm concerned about damaging the seat bolster. Anyone got any tips? I probably should have mentioned that when I responded to you before about the instrument cluster but it wasn't such a big deal to me. Various sources of bolster protectors, ClassicFX here in the UK or Edguard over in the US. I went for the latter, Ed has a GT4RS and the covers arrived late last week. Colour match of leather and stitching is perfect. I went for the classic fx version and would certainly recommend them. One downside is when I took one off, the seam on the back had left an imprint in the leather however I’m sure if left off for a period and with a bit of heat it would have come out. That said, some pics of cars in showrooms appear to have creasing in the leather at minimal miles. The main thing is that they protect the leather and the stitching from getting damaged or worn over time and once fitted they look completely stock. Gary the owner was a pleasure to deal with and I would certainly use them again.

TDT said: PRO5T said: TDT said: The specification includes everything you need, and nothing you don’t... Race-tex sunvisors, Illuminated door sills At least it cannot be called poverty spec! Lol. PRO5T said: In all seriousness, I think yours is the best looking one I've seen yet, silver wheels are making a come back and the fully painted bonnet of the none-WP gives the car a much cleaner visual appearance. Look forward to seeing it out on track in the future Thank you very much. I really love the combo. I’ve been trying to figure out why it resonates so deeply and I finally figured it out. I have probably close to 100 pictures or shots of the 4RS over its development cycle, and all of these are black cars without too much addenda… and I just loved the ‘understated, q-car, skunkworks prototype, what is that - hard as nails’ look of them. I think mine fits the mould well … Edited by TDT on Monday 7th October 11:45 That is stunning TDT - really liking the silver alloys and the non WP look

ChrisW. said: I moved from a 981GT4 to a 991.2 GT3RS (hence an interloper here) and despite the GT4 box being one of the best, the PDK is better. I think the reason many find it alien in manual is because in auto it is so very good ... only jarring when you need instant maximum go and then lift ... it takes a little time for the car to realise and change back up but the initial downshifts were far swifter than a manual change would have been unless a planned change. Hence I drive in auto around town and manual out of town ... just to keep my hand in. A plus is that there is no need to rev-check a PDK car, flat changes and mid corner changes are an option .... and the car is more economical. Win, win, win ... but no heel and toeing etc. Thanks, for sharing. It's driving a 991.2 RS recently which really got me thinking about the 4RS as the engine and gearbox was spectacular. Enjoy it

I do love this car at any given speed, I even love it when I`m staring at it. And I keep staring at it a lot :-) (I`m also driving it, no worries here :-)) The engine and the different sounds it makes, it's an animal with an attitude, if woken up, it can be silent if you want it to be. The steering, the road compliance (I have to admit Dutch B-roads are far better compared to the UK ones) the brakes, the PDK, the interoir with old skool dials, the exterior. For me it's just the best I could wish fore. The way this car acts and reacts ,on what ever input you`ll give, is unmatched. Do I sound in love? You bet !

Paul_N said: Come from a manual 718 GT4 to GT4RS only covered 380 miles so far, bought car then went on holiday for 3 weeks, so run in process may have to wait until after winter, depending on weather etc. As for going from manual to PDK, we hired a 4RS for 2 days in Germany & Austria back in June, covered 400 miles, personally much prefer the PDK over manual in our GT4, think it suits the car better & makes for faster progress, but that’s just our opinion. Have to say first time we drove GT4 after hire car I knew its days were numbered. Different to most on here, won’t be going on track, car will be for Euro trips, certainly no expert driver & probably wouldn’t be a car most 60 year old couples would use for this purpose but we both love it. Edited by Paul_N on Sunday 6th October 23:36 Thanks Paul, it sounds like a great choice to me no matter the age. I've always had Lotus Exige's before so the GT4 feels luxurious to me and my wife. What's started this is a recent drive in a 991.2 GT3 RS and I knew within 5 minutes it was going to cost me!! One of my hesitations is the noise at regular motorway speeds. Is it noticeable louder at an 80mph cruise on a European motorway? I have no issue with the crazy sound when it's time to play!

lotusgeek said: Thanks Paul, it sounds like a great choice to me no matter the age. I've always had Lotus Exige's before so the GT4 feels luxurious to me and my wife. What's started this is a recent drive in a 991.2 GT3 RS and I knew within 5 minutes it was going to cost me!! One of my hesitations is the noise at regular motorway speeds. Is it noticeable louder at an 80mph cruise on a European motorway? I have no issue with the crazy sound when it's time to play! This was a concern for me too. 70mph is 3k RPM, which isn't too crazy, but at 80mph it's noticeable louder. Nothing if you're used to an Exige though! Road and tyre noise is present, but on nice smooth European roads I don't think it'll be an issue. Do it, you won't regret it

If you run with PSE off and are not laying heavily into the throttle, the drivetrain noise and intake is quiet and you can be making ‘very brisk’ progress. Quicker than general traffic. The car is happier at 80mph than it is at 60mph. There will be tyre/road noise, due to large tyres, next to no rubber bushings in the suspension (solid joints), lightweight glass in the rear and less sound deadening. As I said I can still easily listen to podcasts or music… and don’t feel beaten up. Edited by TDT on Tuesday 8th October 00:27

Same experience for me Tyrone. It is about the same as my 981 GT4 with headers and an Akra exhaust! I feel all this noise stuff is massively overhyped.

The last thing this car needs is an aftermarket exhaust for sound. IMO.

I've done 5.5k miles in mine, including track days, a euro tour, and my commute across central London. Initially I had a fast road geo on standard parts plus shims, but at about 2.5k miles put on the monthly GT4 rear toe arms plus eccentric top mounts for a more extreme geo. It's still fine on the road. More or less since new I've had braided lines, SRF, and RSC1 pads. At around 2k or so I put on a titanium exhaust. I think it's the most epic car. I still pinch myself that it's possible to buy a car like this now. It always feels an occasion, but it does pretty much everything without much fuss (though being central, and with the state of our roads, and with a fairly low-riding geo, you have to live with scraping the sacrificial underbody geo). It's brutally fast, mega competent but fun on track, and the noise is addictive. Surprisingly, the general public seem to love it - people even give way! The only thing I think I'd do without in retrospect is the exhaust. It definitely gives the car more 'presence' by improving the sound and lifting the volume slightly. However, it introduces too much drone in normal use, and in truth I prefer that glorious induction noise. Edited by ab8 on Tuesday 8th October 09:22

I think my spec is the very opposite of yours anyway T :-)

ab8 said: I think my spec is the very opposite of yours anyway T :-) Thats the privilege of being able to buy and/or spec your own.

Hi ! Took delivery in March 2023. No WP, FAL, steel brakes, full PPF and geo/corner weights done by Manthey with standard parts. I have done 22 000 km, including 22 trackdays, mostly on Nordschleife and Spa. Also several long trips to Alps and Italy. As former Exige owner this feels like a luxury car, but I can understand if its too much for some. I'm using earplugs on track and when doing 200+ on autobahn. Love PDK on track, on the road maybe manual would be more fun. FAL is excellent on Euro trips, many garages have steep entrances. Just had its first service done by Manthey, cost was €900. Have used 2 sets of front/1 set of rear pads and 3 sets of tyres. As I'm mostly driving on Nordschleife then tyre life is limited by heat cycles. For smaller tracks it needs more front camber. Oil consumption is appr. 1 l./2500 km. No technical or any other issues up to now.

onemile said: Hi ! Took delivery in March 2023. No WP, FAL, steel brakes, full PPF and geo/corner weights done by Manthey with standard parts. I have done 22 000 km, including 22 trackdays, mostly on Nordschleife and Spa. Also several long trips to Alps and Italy. As former Exige owner this feels like a luxury car, but I can understand if its too much for some. I'm using earplugs on track and when doing 200+ on autobahn. Love PDK on track, on the road maybe manual would be more fun. FAL is excellent on Euro trips, many garages have steep entrances. Just had its first service done by Manthey, cost was €900. Have used 2 sets of front/1 set of rear pads and 3 sets of tyres. As I'm mostly driving on Nordschleife then tyre life is limited by heat cycles. For smaller tracks it needs more front camber. Oil consumption is appr. 1 l./2500 km. No technical or any other issues up to now. Amazing!! Great to see these getting used!!

I wish this forum had "Like' button. Interesting to see the servicing cost - at Zentrum Meuspath no-less. Pretty sure UK OPC will try to at least 1.2x that. Edited by TDT on Tuesday 8th October 13:46

TDT said: I wish this forum had "Like' button. Interesting to see the servicing cost - at Zentrum Meuspath no-less. Pretty sure UK OPC will try to at least 1.2x that. Edited by TDT on Tuesday 8th October 13:46 Memo to the PH site developers ... 100% this.

Let them develop the ignore function first!

Apt EVO plate on the yellow 4RS.....

Re first scheduled service. It included inspection, engine oil+filter, brake fluid and cabin air filter. First oilchange was done after 1600 km run-in period and second after 10 000 km. These are not in the service program, but I always change engine oil after 1 year or 10 k. km.

onemile said: Hi ! Took delivery in March 2023. No WP, FAL, steel brakes, full PPF and geo/corner weights done by Manthey with standard parts. I have done 22 000 km, including 22 trackdays, mostly on Nordschleife and Spa. Also several long trips to Alps and Italy. As former Exige owner this feels like a luxury car, but I can understand if its too much for some. I'm using earplugs on track and when doing 200+ on autobahn. Love PDK on track, on the road maybe manual would be more fun. FAL is excellent on Euro trips, many garages have steep entrances. Just had its first service done by Manthey, cost was €900. Have used 2 sets of front/1 set of rear pads and 3 sets of tyres. As I'm mostly driving on Nordschleife then tyre life is limited by heat cycles. For smaller tracks it needs more front camber. Oil consumption is appr. 1 l./2500 km. No technical or any other issues up to now. HERO!

lotusgeek said: Thanks Paul, it sounds like a great choice to me no matter the age. I've always had Lotus Exige's before so the GT4 feels luxurious to me and my wife. What's started this is a recent drive in a 991.2 GT3 RS and I knew within 5 minutes it was going to cost me!! One of my hesitations is the noise at regular motorway speeds. Is it noticeable louder at an 80mph cruise on a European motorway? I have no issue with the crazy sound when it's time to play! Noise cruising on motorway is fine with exhaust turned off not too dissimilar to GT4, don’t get me wrong provoke the throttle & it’s a different matter Drove 250 miles each way to collect our 4RS, wife & I both commented RS seemed quieter cruising at 70 on motorway with exhaust switched off than GT4, that may change as miles increase, wife even managed a sleep on way home. Hire car had covered 51,000 KM’s fine on motorways & autobahn.

Paul_N said: Noise cruising on motorway is fine with exhaust turned off not too dissimilar to GT4, don’t get me wrong provoke the throttle & it’s a different matter Drove 250 miles each way to collect our 4RS, wife & I both commented RS seemed quieter cruising at 70 on motorway with exhaust switched off than GT4, that may change as miles increase, wife even managed a sleep on way home. Hire car had covered 51,000 KM’s fine on motorways & autobahn. Ha!… i actually thought this also… but was waiting to post after my confirmation long drive in the next few days.

Likely the 4RS and SRS will get louder still post c3k miles as most Porsche GT do.

Thats a fair point. My 718 GT4 exited on just under 22k mls. So nicely used and exhaust fully heat treated and cured!

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What a good idea to have a separate area of the forum for genuine owners of these cars. Well done TDT for setting it up. My GT4RS has arrived in the UK and is due at the dealer this week.

chris-gtrs said: What a good idea to have a separate area of the forum for genuine owners of these cars. Well done TDT for setting it up. My GT4RS has arrived in the UK and is due at the dealer this week. I’m the same. My car is currently sat in Sheerness (since 30th) Dealer says it’s likely to be with them this week, then off to Detailers for PPF before I get it..

Bit longer to wait yet!

Just in time for Christmas Tree pick-up pics! Lol

Bought my Gt4rs Spyder at just over list (£3k) with 22 miles on at the start of September and just got it over 1000 miles. Absolutely Epic car just taken it up to 8000 revs and it sounds incredible……I will give it a proper blast at the weekend

Apologies , just discovered this chat , so reposting from the old thread . Only driven it from OPC to PPF installer but enjoyed every mile . ( well 1/2 a mile ) Very happy with the spec when it finally turned up .

Who needs a WP/split exposed cf bonnet with those lovely contrasts.

av185 said: Who needs a WP/split exposed cf bonnet with those lovely contrasts. Yup with you there. That is a picture of loveliness.

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Pts Viola metallic?

On a non-wp. Real or wrap? Interesting either way.

Yep T has to be a wrap non WP.

Thanks for creating the thread @TDT. I have read with great interest, and without interspersed armchair valuations and future value predictions. Afer collecting my GT4 RS in late August, I had a frenetic 10 days or so finding time to get it run in ready for its first track day. Arrived at Anglesey circuit 8 miles short of the full official target, but it then got a good few wet track miles where I had to feather the throttle and short shift. Once the track dried out, enjoyed the full glory or power, aceleration, and noise. Idiotic grin has only just subsided, I absolutely love the car. @ChrisW, agree completely about PDK gearbox vs. 981 GT4 box, which I still have (just about). I don't want PDK to be better, and arguably I can do almost as well with manual in the old GT4. I don't think I could in the GT4 RS - PDK suits the car. I think they hang onto revs on lift off in case we might be trying to keep the back end under control when we lift. If I was trying to sort out lift-off oversteer with the throttle, I wouldn't thank PDK for changing up unexpectedly! I'm getting used to flicking it up a gear or 2 with the paddle after brief motorway acceleration. @Snowy999, thanks so much for the detailed one-man wheel change method. I had been getting to think it wasn't really practical, but if I can afford a set of mags to keep track day tyres on next year, I might just fit some PS4S's on the orginal wheels for more regular road use. @jackwood, maybe it's because we're both in the North West, but your Sport Maxx vs. PS Cup 2 experience is incredibly similar to mine. The Dunlops just don't feel safe as the temperature drops, especially on wet, or even "greasy" roads. A few "full wet" sessions on track with the Cup 2s (admittedly not that cold, but not warm by any stretch), and they don't have a great deal of grip, but they don't scare me. I did have a few moments while running the car in on wet A-roads, and even a very big moment on a very, very wet Cumbrian M6. Personal circumstances since the track day mean I've given it a thorough clean and put it away under a car cover for now. So 1200 miles all in a rush, and need some brighter weather or a late season track day to avoid it loitering there until spring. Let's see how long I last before needing to drive it again! Liam Edited by LiamH66 on Tuesday 8th October 22:37

Can't remember If I had posted this before or not... This is pretty interesting video, detailing how the road going 4RS relates to the 4RS Clubsport race car. Few points mixed up in the video - but still a good watch

Has anyone swapped over to the Michelin PS4S (N rated) and if so did your OPC do it for you?

arun1uk said: lotusgeek said: Thanks Paul, it sounds like a great choice to me no matter the age. I've always had Lotus Exige's before so the GT4 feels luxurious to me and my wife. What's started this is a recent drive in a 991.2 GT3 RS and I knew within 5 minutes it was going to cost me!! One of my hesitations is the noise at regular motorway speeds. Is it noticeable louder at an 80mph cruise on a European motorway? I have no issue with the crazy sound when it's time to play! This was a concern for me too. 70mph is 3k RPM, which isn't too crazy, but at 80mph it's noticeable louder. Nothing if you're used to an Exige though! Road and tyre noise is present, but on nice smooth European roads I don't think it'll be an issue. Do it, you won't regret it Thanks for sharing. Lots to think about.

Mine arrived at the OPC this morning :-)

My blurry eyes saw an RS200 first look !... Not used to seeing them all wrapped up, bet you can't wait !

cdixon said: Mine arrived at the OPC this morning :-) Congratulations, I am still waiting for mine, which is due this week. What part of the country are you in - I'm in West Sussex?

chris-gtrs said: Congratulations, I am still waiting for mine, which is due this week. What part of the country are you in - I'm in West Sussex? Thank you… Your car shouldn’t be too long… Dealer told me that GT cars arrive on closed trailers, not car transporters. My car arrived in Sheerness on 30th, so been there for a bit of time. I’m in Somerset.

guyvert1 said: My blurry eyes saw an RS200 first look !... Not used to seeing them all wrapped up, bet you can't wait ! Haha. Exactly this.

guyvert1 said: My blurry eyes saw an RS200 first look !... Not used to seeing them all wrapped up, bet you can't wait ! Yes… Maybe I should ask dealer to make an unboxing video for U-Tube :-0

Go in and do the unwrapping yourself. I did, bit nerdy.. but I couldnt care less.

TDT said: Go in and do the unwrapping yourself. I did, bit nerdy.. but I couldnt care less. Good shout… I was pleased to see it had the Cup2 tyres on it, although I’ve never driven on the Dunlops so can’t compare. Always was a fan of Cup2 on my GT3 though. Big improvement over Cup1.

cdixon said: Yes… Maybe I should ask dealer to make an unboxing video for U-Tube :-0 For unboxing videos search:- Unboxing the 2023 #Porsche 718 GT4RS The cars are very well wrapped!

What's that white bodykit not seen that on the configurator

Ive just driven 340 miles from Shepherds Bush to Spa for a Gold Track track day tomorrow. So super comfortable, the noise - on ling distance runs - is all driven by surface. Worst bit was the concrete on the south section of the M25 before the M20. At 85mph I got high 90s dB. But fir most of the run on good tarmac i got 85-95dB which was c similar to my Mini Countryman on the M40. 334 miles, ave 55mph and 24.7mpg. Ill report back on my track day tomorrow. Insured cia REIS - wow its wxpensive! But its going to be c8 deg C. Snowy PS no tinnitus but may happen tomorrow when I have a go!

Snowy999 said: Ive just driven 340 miles from Shepherds Bush to Spa for a Gold Track track day tomorrow. So super comfortable, the noise - on ling distance runs - is all driven by surface. Worst bit was the concrete on the south section of the M25 before the M20. At 85mph I got high 90s dB. But fir most of the run on good tarmac i got 85-95dB which was c similar to my Mini Countryman on the M40. 334 miles, ave 55mph and 24.7mpg. Ill report back on my track day tomorrow. Insured cia REIS - wow its wxpensive! But its going to be c8 deg C. Snowy PS no tinnitus but may happen tomorrow when I have a go! Sounds good! I’m jealous. Any chance you can measure the cabin dB tomorrow on track? Is it a GT4 RS or Spyder RS?

Whats the insurance like £1000 a day for Spa?

Snowy999 said: Ive just driven 340 miles from Shepherds Bush to Spa for a Gold Track track day tomorrow. So super comfortable, the noise - on ling distance runs - is all driven by surface. Worst bit was the concrete on the south section of the M25 before the M20. At 85mph I got high 90s dB. But fir most of the run on good tarmac i got 85-95dB which was c similar to my Mini Countryman on the M40. 334 miles, ave 55mph and 24.7mpg. Ill report back on my track day tomorrow. Insured cia REIS - wow its wxpensive! But its going to be c8 deg C. Snowy PS no tinnitus but may happen tomorrow when I have a go! I think the worst for my hearing was A-road running in. Agree, very much surface dependent. I found on-track with a crash helmet, without ear plugs, was absolutely fine. Ears were already a bit shot from 2-3 hours a day running in for a few days before though. Have a great time - looking forward to the report on how it goes. Liam

Loving this thread.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DA_tQoqIVuS/?igsh=M... 795mls down… still limited to 7k rpm… but time to start to find out what its all about…. We are going to get along… very well!

I was there this evening! First proper blat on the A roads down to Goodwood through Hindhead tunnel. F*ck me.

fridaypassion said: Whats the insurance like £1000 a day for Spa? Yep £1250 with a £18k excess or £1750 with excess iinsured. Value not capped and set at £168k. Snowy

For the noise data lovers. My sound meter recorded 112dB max at Spa today. F&&&in awesome! Have to keep remembering to push my foot flat!!

Snowy999 said: For the noise data lovers. My sound meter recorded 112dB max at Spa today. F&&&in awesome! Have to keep remembering to push my foot flat!! What did you use to record it and where was it positioned? Spa busy?

So that’s first 500 miles done, got caught out in the rain with the roof down a couple of times, takes about 2 minutes now to put up or down, hardest part i found is how to fold it in the back correctly so that the rear can close. But what a fun car to drive, no complaints about being to loud just back of f a bit, the damping I find is about as firm as a 992.1 GTS with the -10mm option, which for my use is about perfect. Edited by APOLO1 on Saturday 12th October 17:24

wow, that looks great

LiamH66 said: Who said you can't polish one of those? I actually rather like it, but at the same time, I'm glad it's not mine. Very good Liam, I have just got the joke!

Snowy999 said: LiamH66 said: Who said you can't polish one of those? I actually rather like it, but at the same time, I'm glad it's not mine. Very good Liam, I have just got the joke! Your going to need to be quicker than this next season;)

ZH997 said: It's defo not 1/1 in that shade... My Chestnut Spyder landed after 13 months! https://www.instagram.com/p/DR7x1oekoHz/?img_index... That is absolutely stunning

Well after 3 years of lust after a GT4RS, I've just committed to one of the last new ones available. Thank you Tyrone for your advice, this is almost the same spec as yours but in blue. I specifically wanted a non Weissach pack car. The only thing I would have added on a new factory order is probably ceramics. This has got: Front lift Racetec interior in grey PLDS (LEDs) Chrono Black calibers Bose Edited by Jimbo_vx on Monday 12th January 20:19 Edited by Jimbo_vx on Monday 12th January 20:20

Very nice ... put your PCCB money towards ST's if that's your usage ?? (And keep the steels for resale time ??)

ChrisW. said: Very nice ... put your PCCB money towards ST's if that's your usage ?? (And keep the steels for resale time ??) You might wear the steels out while you are waiting for them though. Hoping to have a set on mine for the start of the season. Ordered in July...

Jimbo_vx said: Well after 3 years of lust after a GT4RS, I've just committed to one of the last new ones available. Thank you Tyrone for your advice, this is almost the same spec as yours but in blue. I specifically wanted a non Weissach pack car. The only thing I would have added on a new factory order is probably ceramics. This has got: Front lift Racetec interior in grey PLDS (LEDs) Chrono Black calibers Bose Edited by Jimbo_vx on Monday 12th January 20:19 Edited by Jimbo_vx on Monday 12th January 20:20 CLASSY

Jimbo_vx said: Well after 3 years of lust after a GT4RS, I've just committed to one of the last new ones available. Thank you Tyrone for your advice, this is almost the same spec as yours but in blue. I specifically wanted a non Weissach pack car. The only thing I would have added on a new factory order is probably ceramics. This has got: Front lift Racetec interior in grey PLDS (LEDs) Chrono Black calibers Bose Nice one James, happy to help anytime. Congrats and I look forward to seeing what you think about it.

LiamH66 said: ChrisW. said: Very nice ... put your PCCB money towards ST's if that's your usage ?? (And keep the steels for resale time ??) You might wear the steels out while you are waiting for them though. Hoping to have a set on mine for the start of the season. Ordered in July... Really ?? I had no idea ... what about Alcon CCX or are they the same thing ??

LiamH66 said: You might wear the steels out while you are waiting for them though. Hoping to have a set on mine for the start of the season. Ordered in July... I'd suggest you follow up on that with the reseller or maybe take your order else where. I have seen plenty of orders for ST kits after yours which have already been fulfilled - so seems strange that yours has not been.

Maybe contact Surface Transform directly to find a suitable source ??

TDT said: I'd suggest you follow up on that with the reseller or maybe take your order else where. I have seen plenty of orders for ST kits after yours which have already been fulfilled - so seems strange that yours has not been. Seller has been in conversation with Surface Transforms on my behalf throughout. I may have been queue jumped once or twice, as I was unlikely to get them on in time for anything meaningful at the end of last summer, and still wanted to test "Phase 2" of my upgrades thoroughly before trying reducing unsprung mass in a big way. So I was relaxed about delivery dates, and ST were busy with some OEM work that I definitely didn't want to be holding up. Need that share price to keep climbing! Called them today, and turns out I was a due a call to say ST didn't manage to get all outstanding orders out before Christmas as intended. However my discs have been made and are in the queue awaiting their final skim. As soon as they have a delivery date I'll be booking in for discs, brakelines and a bit of ride height adjustment ready to try out "Phase 3". Must get those mag wheels out of the workshop and into a set of tyres soon too. That way the unsprung weight loss is more like surgery than a diet, so even I should notice it.

Collected my SRS on Saturday, had a 70 mile back home from the dealership in Hull. Unfortunately heavy rain all the way home.

sad to read that, at least you could check the roof system on leaks

ZH997 said: It's defo not 1/1 in that shade... My Chestnut Spyder landed after 13 months! https://www.instagram.com/p/DR7x1oekoHz/?img_index...

GTRene said: sad to read that, at least you could check the roof system on leaks And no salt !

To Dundon or Manthey ???

ChrisW. said: To Dundon or Manthey ??? Although they both have 'some aero', 'some suspension' and 'some brakes' as part of their packages, that isn't the complete story... they aren't really the same thing at all. Both Dundon and Manthey would agree with that.

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Another new owner. Blimey, what a thing!

TDT said: I agree, on the GT4RS Porsche should have offered Manthey upgrades in place of the relatively useless and mainly cosmetic Weissach option. But we know where the Porsche focus is ... profit. And since they screwed their own market, they now need it .... IMHO.

TDT said: A good read Tyrone, and thought provoking for someone on a slightly alternative take on the same GT4 RS quest like me... I'm sure I got the magazine at some point, but home life is unnecessarily complex just now, without asking if the Porsche comic turned up during my last 2-week foreign trip. With my usual hopeless optimism, I'd booked a PEC Precision day at Silverstone for March 6th, somehow thinking Spring will have sprung, my ST discs might be on the car, and I'd be going with my nice new mag. wheels and a Suspension Secrets check over. It has definitely settled on the springs a little bit and needs a tweak upwards in ride height. This weekend's reality check is that the discs are close but not finished, and Suspension Secrets are in the middle of a premises move. And of course Spring doesn't yet seem all that close. I'll try to get a set of PS4S fitted before I head down to Silverstone, as it's likely to be cold or wet, and just as likely both. That will give me a chance to check over the relatively recent Cup 2 set (one wet track day on the fronts; one dry, one wet on the rears? Can't remember!), before getting them fitted to the gorgeous mag wheels that have been getting bored out of their minds in my workshop since the middle of last summer. Can't wait to get back out in the 4RS again, even though the latest set of mods is going to have to be happening in the background. Liam

Thanks for the comments gents. Just the ramblings of one guy. Lol.

It's a good read ... it reminds me of my own happy journey and I'm very happy to follow those of others ... !!

Silverstone International today for Porsche "Precision" experience, with the aforementioned PS4S's fitted to my GT4 RS. It wasn't wet, which I had expected, but it also wasn't warm. PS4S was the perfect tyre for the conditions. I'd got them as road tyres so I could stick them on the original aluminium alloy wheels and put Cup 2s on the new set of mag wheels I bought last summer. But then realising my "low unsprung weight" conversion wasn't going to be ready in time, opted for PS4S on the ally wheels for the track day. First of all, SO much less road noise. Not exactly relaxing, but a huge difference in general roar from the motorway on the 3 hour drive down. Next, the PS4S's are REALLY forgiving on track, given the 7 degree temperature and need to get warmth into tyres. Once out on the track and tyres starting to warm up, the instructor said I'd reputedly be giving up 2 seconds a lap. Initially I said less than a second. But then once I'd bled the pressures down and got back onto my (slightly humble) pace, my opinion was that I'd be just as quick, maybe quicker, given the track is recovering from winter and it was still pretty cold. But I was still reluctant about firing up the Porsche Precision app, as I was probably only doing 1:18 ish laps, and my PB last year in the warm and dry on Cup 2s was 1:15.28. Spent the second half of the morning tidying up braking points and getting the apex "attitude" and speed right for quick exits and straights, and over a ridiculously nice lunch, decided it was time to fire up the app and record a few lap times in the afternoon. Surprisingly, was in the low 1:16s pretty much straight off. With a little care and thought, got into the mid 15s by early afternoon, and recorded a new PB of 1:15.03 mid afternoon. Could easily have spent a bit more time getting the car into the 1:14s, but the front left was taking quite a hammering, and they are supposed to be my road tyres for the year in that car. I was running 5 laps at a time maximum in the afternoon. Could have let more air out and stayed out longer, but definitely into diminishing returns, and the left rear had already been bled down by about 9 PSI. Short summary is that as a road car, the GT4 RS seems an awful lot better on PS4S than Cup 2. As a track car, PS4S are fine when it's cold, but I think tyre temp/pressure management might be an issue once we get to proper spring and summer track temperatures. I am still totally sold on the Suspension Secrets full kinematics package. Sitting a little too low as I haven't got around to getting ride height raised, but unless I'm on hige dips in country roads, no issues. The car is just ridiculously easy to drive on the limit, and so much more forgiving of my type errors than the standard setup. As for carbon brakes, and shares in carbon brake manufacturing... Trying not to think about it! Next month's Oulton Park outing will likely be on mag wheels, Cup 2 tyres, and iron brake rotors. Liam

Excellent video - and I directly recognise everything he says. I found the car be much better to my taste being flatter also, taking some of the rake out of the car. And then on the aero…. I did Oulton park at the back end of last year with aero in MdF in the AM and then HdF in the PM and PM the car was much more confident. Just got back in from RS day at Oulton Park today, where the conditions came good in the afternoon. Car was set to MdF and it definitely was more flighty vs HdF on the previous event… because time was limited I didnt bother changing. But video comments confirm that there is quite an effective little package on the car already, and it can even be levelled up with few bits - if someone wants to go that way

LiamH66 said: Silverstone International today for Porsche "Precision" experience, with the aforementioned PS4S's fitted to my GT4 RS. It wasn't wet, which I had expected, but it also wasn't warm. PS4S was the perfect tyre for the conditions. I'd got them as road tyres so I could stick them on the original aluminium alloy wheels and put Cup 2s on the new set of mag wheels I bought last summer. But then realising my "low unsprung weight" conversion wasn't going to be ready in time, opted for PS4S on the ally wheels for the track day. First of all, SO much less road noise. Not exactly relaxing, but a huge difference in general roar from the motorway on the 3 hour drive down. Next, the PS4S's are REALLY forgiving on track, given the 7 degree temperature and need to get warmth into tyres. Once out on the track and tyres starting to warm up, the instructor said I'd reputedly be giving up 2 seconds a lap. Initially I said less than a second. But then once I'd bled the pressures down and got back onto my (slightly humble) pace, my opinion was that I'd be just as quick, maybe quicker, given the track is recovering from winter and it was still pretty cold. But I was still reluctant about firing up the Porsche Precision app, as I was probably only doing 1:18 ish laps, and my PB last year in the warm and dry on Cup 2s was 1:15.28. Spent the second half of the morning tidying up braking points and getting the apex "attitude" and speed right for quick exits and straights, and over a ridiculously nice lunch, decided it was time to fire up the app and record a few lap times in the afternoon. Surprisingly, was in the low 1:16s pretty much straight off. With a little care and thought, got into the mid 15s by early afternoon, and recorded a new PB of 1:15.03 mid afternoon. Could easily have spent a bit more time getting the car into the 1:14s, but the front left was taking quite a hammering, and they are supposed to be my road tyres for the year in that car. I was running 5 laps at a time maximum in the afternoon. Could have let more air out and stayed out longer, but definitely into diminishing returns, and the left rear had already been bled down by about 9 PSI. Short summary is that as a road car, the GT4 RS seems an awful lot better on PS4S than Cup 2. As a track car, PS4S are fine when it's cold, but I think tyre temp/pressure management might be an issue once we get to proper spring and summer track temperatures. I am still totally sold on the Suspension Secrets full kinematics package. Sitting a little too low as I haven't got around to getting ride height raised, but unless I'm on hige dips in country roads, no issues. The car is just ridiculously easy to drive on the limit, and so much more forgiving of my type errors than the standard setup. As for carbon brakes, and shares in carbon brake manufacturing... Trying not to think about it! Next month's Oulton Park outing will likely be on mag wheels, Cup 2 tyres, and iron brake rotors. Liam Sounds like you had great fun! PS4S were definitely the right tyre for the AM at Oulton today. But conditions came good in the afternoon and its was about ok enough to get heat into Cup2 and have them build and maintain stable pressure and performance, although my set are a little old from summer last year - but fine enough for season opener.

Hold on we have adjustable aero? I really should have read up on these cars before buying one Have you all bought your DSC controllers yet?

Couple of basic questions if ok ...... How do people tend to find the standard set-up for road use given our atrocious roads ? Can't decide on the GT4 RS or the Spyder. Whilst I like open top motoring the roof concerns me plus seems far more Spyders for sale VS GT4's. Did many of you try both cars before you came to a decision? Spyder possibility better for road use if I can get over the roof ? TIA

Spyder is better for road use as it has the suspension from the regular GT4 which is absolutely spot on. The Coupe is very much stiffer fundamentally a bit s t from the factory really as you can see by most of us either doing the suspension secrets stuff or getting the DCS controller. I really like coupe cars generally (even though I make a living selling convertible Lotus cars!) but I generally personally prefer a tin top but I can't help thinking that the Spyder might have been a better option for me although once I start getting out on track a bit more I think it will be a perfect fit. The coupe is still good on the road but you do IMHO need to do "something" with the suspension for road use to optimise the brilliant chassis.

fridaypassion said: Spyder is better for road use as it has the suspension from the regular GT4 which is absolutely spot on. The Coupe is very much stiffer fundamentally a bit s t from the factory really as you can see by most of us either doing the suspension secrets stuff or getting the DCS controller. I really like coupe cars generally (even though I make a living selling convertible Lotus cars!) but I generally personally prefer a tin top but I can't help thinking that the Spyder might have been a better option for me although once I start getting out on track a bit more I think it will be a perfect fit. The coupe is still good on the road but you do IMHO need to do "something" with the suspension for road use to optimise the brilliant chassis. Many thanks. Didn't get to see a Spyder today only the Coupe & got to jump in and out of the GT4 ( slightly worried about getting in and out at 49 with bad knees but thankfully no issues with the GT4) so would like to see both back to back . Looks like the roof line on the GT4 is curved whereas the Spyder when the roof on is flatter so getting in and out might be easier. Seating position was bang on in the 4RS after some fettling with seat hight and steering angle , so all good there. I'm no tech geek so playing with suspension settings on a GT4 unlikely an option so I'd take the car to the likes of JZM if too much maybe. Is the noise of the intakes slightly less in the GT4 over the Spyder ? From watching some reviews the intake noise in the GT4 seems to have a more 'basey' note not the shriek at the top end. One review of the Spyder I've watched the driver is wearing ear plugs ! If using the car in the winter months, has anyone switched from the cup 2's to the Michelins pilot sports ? In years past I've had some relatively hard cars such as a 996RS and a couple of 997 GT4's. I'd say the set-up on the 996 made it a far worse road car VS the 997's. Thanks once again Edited by Esquire on Monday 9th March 06:09 Edited by Esquire on Monday 9th March 07:12

I went off to the PEC a couple of weeks ago and did the "Ultimate mid engined experience" was a good way to get some seat time in both cars back to back..

Sorry I am a bit late to the party. Are there any discounts to be had on the new 4rs’s there’s a few for sale and have been for a while or are Porsche still holding tight on the sticker price!?

I've heard of people getting discounts yes.

Transposed from the Oulton Park Thread... Esquire said: Is the car more road compliant with the Manthey Suspension? TDT said: Road compliant could mean a lot... lol. The Manthey Suspension for 4RS has 4-way adjustment for High/Low Compression and High/Low Rebound - so you can set it up for road work (within reason - its definitely a focussed sports car) or go FULL kill for track. Front Spring rate is 20N/mm stiffer - but is actually makes the front to rear balance better and the whole car work more cohesively. Esquire said: Thanks , big learning curve for me ! Considering buying one. Main use would be for road and 3/4 track days per year. I'm no seasoned track expert so would need a car that I could also enjoy for 3k road miles. I've had a good few GT P cars including a 996 RS a while back and no issues but of course our roads have gotten far worse. Have considered the Spyder as an alternative. May I ask if you do many road miles or just a track car ? Last question if I may - Is your car non WP? Might be the better option for me . Thanks once again Yes, I do use the car on the road... I drive to all my track events and often take the car out for a b-road blast... the car can easily take a trip to the N'Ring - do laps and drive home - and its easy - and no any ill effects from noise or harshness - apart from being sat in the buckets for 5hrs straight. I do think that has a lot to do with my spec though.. which is Non-WP - and I think that actually this is crucial to the internal sound. I think the Non-WP car does not have as harsh or as penetrating a noise as the WP car - It can still be loud and raucous at those high revs - but it isn't skull penetrating. I'll have to get a few back to back rides with friends to confirm - but more than one other person has also said the same.

Esquire said: Couple of basic questions if ok ...... How do people tend to find the standard set-up for road use given our atrocious roads ? <snip> My GT4 RS hasn't been on standard suspension for a while, but I did the first 1800 odd miles all stock. I was really surprised to find it was more compliant and forgiving than my old 981 GT4, especially on really bumpy or rough roads. Springs a bit soft at the front and firm at the back for the track, but I thought surprisingly civilized on the road. Less so now I have it set up for track, but ride height, springs and camber all set a little agressively for it to be perfect on bumps, cambers and pot holes. But it's alright. Liam

Esquire said: Is the noise of the intakes slightly less in the GT4 over the Spyder ? From watching some reviews the intake noise in the GT4 seems to have a more 'basey' note not the shriek at the top end. One review of the Spyder I've watched the driver is wearing ear plugs ! I have a pair of ear plugs in a little cannister on my GT4 RS keyring. It's WP, and it's pretty noisy when you're pressing on. I don't generally use them for the road, as it's big throttle openings above 6k rpm when it gets riotously loud. Approaching 9k, it really does shriek. Not sure anything could be as loud indoors, it's ridiculous when you give it ten tenths. I was told the Spyder RS was less so. Esquire said: If using the car in the winter months, has anyone switched from the cup 2's to the Michelins pilot sports ? Just switched over to PS4S from Cup 2 in the last 10 days for some winter roads and a track day. Safer in the wet, much better in the cold and wet, and on a cool and relatively dry track day, transformational in driving confidence. Also much quieter on the motorway. I'd bet on standard suspension PS4S make a civilized handling car an even more usable proposition. Bizarrely, I was a tiny bit quicker on track on PS4S in the cold (7 degrees) than on Cup 2 in the warm and dry last time (22 degrees). That will likely change when I try vice versa, as one learns a lot about a car on the limit when the limit feels less savage. More to do with me than the car or tyres. Liam

Thanks to all for the above replies. Lots to think about. Cheers

Esquire said: Couple of basic questions if ok ...... How do people tend to find the standard set-up for road use given our atrocious roads ? Can't decide on the GT4 RS or the Spyder. Whilst I like open top motoring the roof concerns me plus seems far more Spyders for sale VS GT4's. Did many of you try both cars before you came to a decision? Spyder possibility better for road use if I can get over the roof ? TIA One of the biggest problems is that geometry has not been properly setup on many opc cars. I use mine mainly for touring use and love it. Think some people expect saloon levels of comfort on a track inspired car

MannyLon said: One of the biggest problems is that geometry has not been properly setup on many opc cars. I use mine mainly for touring use and love it. Think some people expect saloon levels of comfort on a track inspired car Compared with my outgoing 981 GT4 (which I really loved), the standard GT4 RS ride quality and road handling was positively better. Almost luxurious in comparison. Now I've swapped it onto PS4S rather than Cup 2, the road noise is far less intrusive. I even try to listen to the radio occasionally now! Definitely usable as a road car, even with track suspension setup, so definitely with standard springs and ride height.

LiamH66 said: Compared with my outgoing 981 GT4 (which I really loved), the standard GT4 RS ride quality and road handling was positively better. Almost luxurious in comparison. Now I've swapped it onto PS4S rather than Cup 2, the road noise is far less intrusive. I even try to listen to the radio occasionally now! Definitely usable as a road car, even with track suspension setup, so definitely with standard springs and ride height. Hi Liam, Was your 981 GT4 on standard factory suspension? Edited by Esquire on Wednesday 18th March 10:59

Esquire said: Hi Liam, Was your 981 GT4 on standard factory suspension? Edited by Esquire on Wednesday 18th March 10:59 Yes, completely standard, but with geo set for fast road/track, so it lacked ground clearance for the front splitter somewhat.

LiamH66 said: Silverstone International today for Porsche "Precision" experience, with the aforementioned PS4S's fitted to my GT4 RS. Liam Liam, I tried sending you a PM but settings won't allow me. How did you find the Precision day in terms of value and tuition? Did you get the promised time on the International circuit? I've done a couple of New Car experiences at the PEC Silverstone in the last year and thinking about going for the two day Performance experience. I'd probably drive a PEC car as it's not much more expensive than my own car by the time I book the car ferry from N.Ireland and two day track insurance. One of my criticisms of the new car experience is the timekeeping - safety briefings late to start, listening to human performance presentations all eats away at the 3 hour driving time. The other options I've seen on the PCGB page are Colin Hoad (CAT) and Rob Colbourn - both at Millbrook. If anyone has feedback on either of those, I'd appreciate it.

Nuttcase said: Liam, I tried sending you a PM but settings won't allow me. How did you find the Precision day in terms of value and tuition? Did you get the promised time on the International circuit? I've done a couple of New Car experiences at the PEC Silverstone in the last year and thinking about going for the two day Performance experience. I'd probably drive a PEC car as it's not much more expensive than my own car by the time I book the car ferry from N.Ireland and two day track insurance. One of my criticisms of the new car experience is the timekeeping - safety briefings late to start, listening to human performance presentations all eats away at the 3 hour driving time. The other options I've seen on the PCGB page are Colin Hoad (CAT) and Rob Colbourn - both at Millbrook. If anyone has feedback on either of those, I'd appreciate it. Depends what you are looking for but if you want to learn how to control you car beyond the limit, Andy Walsh (https://www.awdrivertraining.co.uk/) is brilliant. He works mainly out of Stafford now. His days do sell out quickly though.

Nuttcase said: Liam, I tried sending you a PM but settings won't allow me. How did you find the Precision day in terms of value and tuition? Did you get the promised time on the International circuit? Hi Nuttcase, Well, that was my 5th or 6th Precision course, and at least 10th visit to PEC Silverstone, so I guess I must like it. Losing count now. It's just the best value for money track day I get to do in a lot of ways. I use it to keep an eye on how me and the car are progressing, and the tuition is always excellent. Oh and the food. A step above circuit-burgers! I tend not to get too hung up on whan the safety briefing etc. happen. There's enough track time for me, and when you do the Precision or Performance course you can have your coffee breaks and meals pretty much when it suits. If you're in your own car you end up getting a lot of track time if you want it, as you're wearing out your own tyres and brakes, and paying for your own fuel. (I use at least a tankful on a Precision day, turn up with half a tank, stick £90 in it at lunch break, leave with a less than half a tank). If you're in a PEC car they'll try to keep you to around 3 x 20 minute sessions on the International circuit as advertised. But people do seem to get the prpomised time. I think I've managed to spend at least double that time on "the big track" in my own car, but as a few of the instructors know I'm pretty sensible I tend to move on the from the handling tracks, etc. relatively early in the day. But I've also been known to knock off a little early in the afternoon if I feel I'm just putting time on the car without learning much more. Nuttcase said: I've done a couple of New Car experiences at the PEC Silverstone in the last year and thinking about going for the two day Performance experience. I'd probably drive a PEC car as it's not much more expensive than my own car by the time I book the car ferry from N.Ireland and two day track insurance. One of my criticisms of the new car experience is the timekeeping - safety briefings late to start, listening to human performance presentations all eats away at the 3 hour driving time. They only intend there to be 90 minutes driving time in the 1/2 day new car experience as far as I know. The idea seeming that everything around it is pretty relaxed. I've done 5 new car experiences so far, just got the invitation to book a 6th. It's very different from the "Track" experiences, as you're moving so much slower on such small tracks, generally with many other cars circulating at what seems like slow-motion, but needing to be treated respectfully. I treat them as a nice day out where I'll maybe get an idea of what my next Porsche might be like on the road, and play on the Ice Hill and Kicker Plate to test my control and reflexes in whatever I'm getting or have just bought. I don't insure for the track in general, but I think insuring when you have an instructor in the car for the duration is likely a waste of money, especially for the PEC track courses. There is seldom much else out on the International circuit during the Precision/Performance days, and if you follow the instructor's instructions there's not too much to go wrong. I've had a couple or 3 times I've left it all a bit late and had to leave the circuit in a mostly controlled way. It's a wide track, there's loads of run off (but plenty of kitty litter to avoid), and if the instructor thinks you're trying too hard for your ability to gather it all back together, they'll tell you. Very few seem to do the courses in their own car, which baffles me. I want to take all that learning out to the next track day in my own car, with my own geo set up, brakes and suspension mods. But that seems to be me and very few others. And finally, aside from official time on track being 3 x 20 minute sessions, the Track experiences are pretty much whatever you want them to be. Evidently one of the other drivers last time I was there was booked for the 2 day Performance course, but found his neck muscles were giving in after a couple of sessions on the International circuit. I can remember that sensation well from when I started karting on sticky slick tyres, and it's really uncomfortable. But can happen if your neck's not used to supporting your head and a crash helmet with lateral loads. I'm sure he'll have had a great time playing on the various tracks and areas at the PEC, or even going out for a nice road drive. Hopefully he got out for another play on track on the afternoon of day 2. Hope that helps. Got to say, I love it, and will likely be back there for another Precision experience before the year is out. Liam

Liam, Thanks very much for the detailed reply which is most helpful. I'll try to speak to the instructor I had last time and see what his recommendations would be for a PEC track session 1 day or 2 day. I had originally considered the 2 day one as it's a bit of a trek to get there especially if I bring my own car. BillyB, thanks for that recommendation too. I check the event calendar and you're right - he does get booked up a long time in advance!

I see BGB Motorsport in the US have completed a manual conversion for the 4RS using the GT4 gearbox. https://www.instagram.com/bgbmotorsportsgroup/

BillyB said: Depends what you are looking for but if you want to learn how to control you car beyond the limit, Andy Walsh (https://www.awdrivertraining.co.uk/) is brilliant. He works mainly out of Stafford now. His days do sell out quickly though. Good to see a recommendation, it's about 10 mins from me and I've been considering booking a day with him later in the year with the 4RS.

PaulJC84 said: I see BGB Motorsport in the US have completed a manual conversion for the 4RS using the GT4 gearbox. https://www.instagram.com/bgbmotorsportsgroup/ great to read, love such swaps, sadly I can not go on the page, you have to sign in and since some dirty big tech stuf a few years ago, I tried do much as possible to not sign in such sites and back then I deleted all stuf I had on those and same sort sites... so yes I miss some things, but hey, I will not die because of such but if there is a video with such swap in some test, share it here.

PaulJC84 said: I see BGB Motorsport in the US have completed a manual conversion for the 4RS using the GT4 gearbox. https://www.instagram.com/bgbmotorsportsgroup/ I am a big manual fan but unless they have sorted out the ratios and a final drive for me that would be a big step backwards from the PDK. with an extra 1,000rpm on tap will be touching over 90 in second gear and 125 in 3rd. Edited by JeffC on Saturday 11th April 08:29

I can't understand some dealers selling these. For example a dealer loads one up for sale on AT in Oct last year for £119,990 and it remains unsold to this day, yet last month they increase the price to £122,990. The Motorwatch extension on AT is a great tool

It’s the market… there are no more brand new ones being made, so as supply dries up… prices for remaining supply typically increases. In this case is only 3k or so.

October is very different to peak season which is about now. Not very many people would be buying a car just to put away for the winter. Extremely basic supply and demand economics.

Just got my GT4 RS back from its first service, and have been pleasantly surprised by the cost. I've used the car relatively hard on track, and pretty gently on the road. 5,100 miles, 21 months old, with 10 or 11 track days under its belt. When I noticed it really needed a set of front pads and discs, and definitely brake fluid and engine oil change, decided it may as well get its first service a few months early. Surprisingly, having read online that on-track ESC gives the rear brakes a hard time, the rear discs and pads were still looking pretty good. I do turn ESC off if it starts interfering with turn in and trail braking too much, and I work hard not to get on too much throttle too early from the apex, so I guess that must be helping. First service came in at just under £1,050. I was expecting a little more, and it will be for the next one. But for "supercar junior" ownership, feels like cheating. They confirmed the rear pads still had between 5.5 and 6.0mm of lining left on them, but front pads were a bit further gone than I'd measured at just over 2mm left in places. Front discs a bit too unevenly worn to bed in a new set of pads, some of it may have been stones, but they are quite dished. While I'd have ground them flat and gone again in a former life, Porsche don't recommend it, and I'd have been forever wondering if full brake performance had been restored. I decided to get a new set of rear pads so I don't end up wearing those out before the next set of fronts too. I'd had a look at Design911 for disc and pad costs, and accounting for parts and labour (inc. sensors, fasteners, etc.) was expecting the brake service to come in at over £6k. Looked at pattern parts, and could have had it sorted by an indie for about £4.5k, but I think the OEM discs and pads are excellent, and it saves getting into any warranty arguments down the line if I just use OEM parts and OPC labour. Also, I use a really good OPC that I am very happy to spend with, because they look after me so well. As it turns out the major parts came in lower than Design911 by some way (PCGB parts discount may have contributed, not overt on invoice). The discs were about the same price as "pattern" discs would have been. Total bill for that part of the job was £4k rather than the £6k+ I had been bracing myself for. Hopefully set for the next 10 track days now, but potentially using the brakes harder as I gain confidence in the car, so might be fewer. Liam

Would anyone be able to share geo setup for the gt4rs for track use but with only standard parts I.e. no toe extension/shims etc I have my car booked in for alignment next week many thanks

Probably can use this as a bit of a reference. No shims. No toe arms. No camber plates. A very good account of what a completely standard car can do is being documented by this driver… https://www.instagram.com/notafollower2023?igsh=MT...

Thank you. The camber settings aren't a too far from page 32 settings by MR. Ill give Levin's settings a go

How are you getting on with the 4RS? As you’ve come from 992 GT3. Just getting out on track with it now?

I've only had two track days with the 4RS but I prefer the cayman platform. Previously coming from 981 GT4 to 992 GT3, then swapped to the 4rs. The 4rs is a hooligan. I find myself laughing alot while driving it; which for a car i drive infrequently is a good sign. I'd class myself as intermediate experience on track, quicker than most but lack against those who have real experience etc.. I'm not as fast in the 4rs as the 3. The rear stability differences with lack of seat time accounting for most of the delta. The 3 was point and shoot much quicker, however RPM set the 3 to my weight on MR spec from the outset, while the 4rs is factory at the moment. Definitely have to think more about how i drive the cayman on track than the 3. The smaller foot print, cabin and go kart feel (and luggage compartments/old drink holders) and previous gen more 'analogue' feel of the 982 to the 992. I miss the exhaust of the 3; perhaps need to change the exhaust for a jcr x box at some stage but thats way down the line. To me, its a harder car to drive and get more out but more rewarding and generally more fun along the way. I will likely get a Sus secrets setup fitted, as that help dial out the stability issues, which in turn with more seat time will help me relax and explore the chassis.

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TDT said: Thats a tidy looking lap Tyrone.

Great to see your progress with the car and the fun that you are having with it. Will your progress continue to be a read inPorsche Post or is this something to follow here ? My journey now is with the 944 Turbo Cup which has just had a fuel rail issue repaired and may benefit from a checkover of the vacuum / turbo / intercooler systems at some stage ... the car just feels to have a little less edge ... as do I !! ... but the car will soon be RFL FOC !!

Good to hear from you Chris and thanks for the kind words. Yes. contributions in Porsche Post are continuing.

TDT said: Enjoy watching your videos mate . Keep em coming !

Ok.., I’ve done something experimental. I’ll probably regret asking, but let me know what you think…

was good, also a nice voice to listen to well done.

GTRene said: was good, also a nice voice to listen to well done. Ah… thank you for that!

I like it great commentary . Maybe you could add more driving detail how to drive the track, speed, what gear you're in etc . Nice job

Esquire said: I like it great commentary . Maybe you could add more driving detail how to drive the track, speed, what gear you're in etc . Nice job Thanks for the feedback. Seems to have been well received - so will look to build upon it and add more of the details you and others have suggested. Many thanks!

TDT said: Ok.., I ve done something experimental. I ll probably regret asking, but let me know what you think Excellent T, I loved it. You had me sitting on the edge of my seat

Hello all My GT4RS (2025) will need new tyres next spring. It came on the Dunlops - I've done approximately 10k KM on them of which 1100 was on track (Spa). I've always had Cup 2's previously, and I guess the Dunlops were OK as well, so I'm a little unsure of what to choose. Any opinions? I think I read that @TDT had the Dunlops on his car originally and then put Cup 2s on - any comments on the difference? Many thanks!

Colinv6 said: Does anyone else with 4RS / SRS get the ticking sound at lowish rpm driving along? It resonates off barriers and walls as you drive at motorway speed and under light load. Under heavy load and off the throttle it goes away. All my searching seems to indicate this is the injectors or fuel pump and is normal, but this seems to be mainly GT4 and Spyder related. I m thinking it s just with everything being close behind you and the intakes emphasising the sound but even my wife noticed it and asked what the ticking was. Yup. This Italian one does it too!

Hi chaps. I am day 5 of 7 into a Swiss/Italian alpine tour in a Spyder RS. The car has immense road presence. It is just a lovely object. This one has everything - Weissach pack and mag wheels, PCCBs, lift kit. The trip out of Milan had me hating the induction noise, and the fact that the exhaust sound just isn't there from within the car. Also, on the motorway, it had this strange deadness around centre on the steering. Also, the first few days, i just did not think the steering was that talkative. Accurate, nicely weighted, but numb. That said, it does the GT cruise thing well. Also, it took me about ten minutes to work the roof out. Frankly, I thought the car was annoying. Luggage space decent enough though. Gets great reactions - mind you, this is Italy. Old Porsches are small! A few days later, and I am almost in love. The steering is great, once in the bends. Bumpy roads (far rarer here than in the UK) showed me that it has plenty to say. I have a Lotus, so the RS rack doesn’t approach the level of communication that the Hethel car has, and frankly is a little slow for my tastes. But the Lotus has no pwer assustance, so it isnt perfect itself. That said, the slow RS rack (to me) doesn't match the razor throttle response and chassis dynamics. But the killer app on this car is the suspension. It is so, so good. Nothing at speed, and I mean nothing, fazes it. Weird cambers, road surfaces, inept driving. It makes you feel like a hero. It is a bit tough at low speeds in potholed towns, and you need the lift kit for some stuff - but once the car is moving properly, the suspension becomes supernatural. Best compliment? Feels like a well sorted Exige V6 Sport/Cup. Total grip, not jarring, the car floats yet feels connected, at all times. Road surface, camber, weight transfer just never an issue. But unlike an Exige, this has comfort, toys, aircon that works properly and is a nice cruiser. Porsche - they know what they are doing. And the brakes: they are the best I have ever had on any road car. Fine in town, epic from speed. Tireless. Full of modulation and feel. Utterly relentless. The powertrain is superb in its responses and the effortless shove. The PDK box is brilliant - this will bumble around town, then keep you right in the right rev band when needed, almost instantly. I do not miss the third pedal, at all. But whilst it works, it just doesn't have the soul I was expecting. Sure - it is rabid from 4000 rpm, but the noise is tuneless, and dominated by induction rasp in your ear. I am wearing earplugs, now. That last 1000rpm is nice, but not the life-altering nirvana that the journos have us believing. I think the GT3 six sounds better in some other applications, myself. Its size makes it incredibly wieldy on small, tight roads. The way it corners is breathtaking - a cliché, but it seems to pivot around a point between the seats on hairpins. Torque vectoring is subtle, but there, and additive. It is not a stripped out RS car at all, really. I do not love the carbon buckets, but otherwise it is spacious, comfy and has all the stuff that makes life easy. I would have the standard seats, myself - but the carbon bits are nice, elsewhere. At around £140k, there are a lot of options out there, and this car is not flawless. But it feels shot through with quality - beautifully built, and a cohesive, compelling package. The lack of roof is something I like. I have children, and an Elise with a VTEC in it, and thus similar power to weight ratio as the RS; so another two seat, fast road spec convertible is not on the cards. I think a GT3 Touring would be, but not this. I wish the touring came roofless... Were I a few years younger, or a few years older, and thus didn't regularly transport the kids, I would have an RS Spyder, and keep earplugs in the car to deal with the irritating induction noise. I think it is a GT series classic, really. You sort of fall in love with it - and frankly, it makes you feel like a hero when driving (I am an OK, hobbyist, track day driver, and no racer). It is fun at 40mph, and at far greater speeds. It is an event, at all times. Also, of you lot haven't driven the Bernina Pass...you need to. Stelvio Pass is overrated. Bernina is not, and the national park roads in the area are equally amazing. Hope this was informative! HF Edited by Harry Flashman on Thursday 24th September 21:40

mep59 said: Hello all My GT4RS (2025) will need new tyres next spring. It came on the Dunlops - I've done approximately 10k KM on them of which 1100 was on track (Spa). I've always had Cup 2's previously, and I guess the Dunlops were OK as well, so I'm a little unsure of what to choose. Any opinions? I think I read that @TDT had the Dunlops on his car originally and then put Cup 2s on - any comments on the difference? Many thanks! I've only done 6000 miles in my 2024 GT4RS, but have done quite a few track days (11? 12?), so I've been through some tyres. Mine came with Cup 2's, and they have been great on track, OK on the road, but not confidence inspiring either in the cold, or wet, or even worse, both. I have spare wheels fitted with N-rated PS4S, which I initially bought for road and wet track use, and they've been excellent. However I ended up with them on a wet track that dried out completely earlier this year, and after hastily dumping a LOT of air out of them, they were fabulous. I have yet to go around Silverstone International any faster. I've used Dunlops on my old 981 GT4, and I honestly prefer the Cup 2s on both road and track. However if you are mainly using your car on the road, I'd say PS4S every time. I'd also leave them on for track days, but just make sure you keep them under 32 psi when the track gets warm. I was using 28/30 F/R at full track temerature, and they have worn nicely and evenly. (Albeit with full Suspension Secrets kinematics kit and plenty of negative camber.) Liam

Harry Flashman said: The lack of roof is something I like. I have children, and an Elise with a VTEC in it, and thus similar power to weight ratio as the RS; so another two seat, fast road spec convertible is not on the cards. I think a GT3 Touring would be, but not this. I wish the touring came roofless... Porsche have that covered too. Sir will be needing the GT3 S/C then ...

jeremyc said: Harry Flashman said: The lack of roof is something I like. I have children, and an Elise with a VTEC in it, and thus similar power to weight ratio as the RS; so another two seat, fast road spec convertible is not on the cards. I think a GT3 Touring would be, but not this. I wish the touring came roofless... Porsche have that covered too. Sir will be needing the GT3 S/C then ... No rear seats for the children though. I’m sure the after market will cover it eventually but not everyone wants that.

LiamH66 said: I've only done 6000 miles in my 2024 GT4RS, but have done quite a few track days (11? 12?), so I've been through some tyres. Mine came with Cup 2's, and they have been great on track, OK on the road, but not confidence inspiring either in the cold, or wet, or even worse, both. I have spare wheels fitted with N-rated PS4S, which I initially bought for road and wet track use, and they've been excellent. However I ended up with them on a wet track that dried out completely earlier this year, and after hastily dumping a LOT of air out of them, they were fabulous. I have yet to go around Silverstone International any faster. I've used Dunlops on my old 981 GT4, and I honestly prefer the Cup 2s on both road and track. However if you are mainly using your car on the road, I'd say PS4S every time. I'd also leave them on for track days, but just make sure you keep them under 32 psi when the track gets warm. I was using 28/30 F/R at full track temerature, and they have worn nicely and evenly. (Albeit with full Suspension Secrets kinematics kit and plenty of negative camber.) Liam Thanks! Michael

Harry Flashman said: The trip out of Milan had me hating the induction noise, and the fact that the exhaust sound just isn't there from within the car. But whilst it works, it just doesn't have the soul I was expecting. Sure - it is rabid from 4000 rpm, but the noise is tuneless, and dominated by induction rasp in your ear. I am wearing earplugs, now. Were I a few years younger, or a few years older, and thus didn't regularly transport the kids, I would have an RS Spyder, and keep earplugs in the car to deal with the irritating induction noise. HF Edited by Harry Flashman on Thursday 24th September 21:40 Hi HF I have edited your post down a bit to highlight your views on the raspy sound of the intake. I am a member of Craig s Spyder Club and there has been a lot of chat on this subject. I believe Craig has changed the air filters and put an adhesive sound damping material on the air boxes below the clam shell line and this has transformed the sound and reduced that nasty resonance. If this is something you wish to explore just the WhatsApp group and I am sure the SRS owners will help you with. All the best Ed Edited by LemonTart on Friday 25th September 17:22

Interesting, Ed! Sasly the car isn't mine, but I shall let the owner know...

I’m guessing everyone will have lost track of technical developments of my (now) 2 year old GT4 RS, given that I have lost track too… Today was momentous day, after a 15 month gap in changes to the car. Quick recap: couple of track days all standard, couple of track days with front camber plates and a setup, couple of track days with half of the Suspension Secrets geo parts fitted, then a couple of track days with full Suspension Secrets “Kinematics” package, including road springs. And then more recently, a set of obscenely expensive OEM mag wheels, just to prove I’m serious about this. I’ve probably gushed enough already about how user-friendly, and downright quick the car has become with this work. After a full day of tuition and tweaking lines in my new GT3 Touring a few weeks ago, I was still 2 seconds off my best 4RS lap time round Silverstone International. I’d been stalled by ordering a set of Surface Transforms carbon ceramic discs to replace the “steel” ones I’d spec’ed when ordering the car. Deliveries were slow, then slower, then they stopped entirely, and then Surface Transforms went into administration. Somehow, Suspension Secrets (that I’d ordered the discs though) reckoned the discs would still turn up eventually, and I trust them, so I hung with that thought. A few weeks back, I got a call to say my discs had arrived. I booked in to get them fitted, and that happened today. Along with the discs, the obligatory Pagid RSC-1 pads, and brake lines were also changed over to stainless steel braided. (Not Manthey, but we’d figured Manthey probably don’t make their own. Think it was £130 for a decent set of good quality motorsport braided brake lines.) Too early to give much in the way of first impressions about the discs, as I’ll be bedding them into the pads carefully before giving them any welly. They are bedding in more noisily than the PCCBs on my GT3 Touring did, but not in a way that concerns me. They are urging me to press the pedal harder, but it’s not time yet. They need to wear a little before I finish “curing” the pads. They do look very nice though! The biggest revelation is the pedal feel with “proper” brake lines. Always needed a firm stomp, but no longer bounces back at me, and feels very reassuring for that. Of all the changes to the car so far, it’s the one I wish I’d have done first, if just to separate brake feel from front end dive and rise/recovery when turning the car in. I’ve probably run myself out of time for track days this year, but want to get a couple more in before the final development, which will be shock absorbers. Not expecting much bang per buck from that one, but I’ll go with sensible “tried and trustworthy”. My gut feel is that £5k with Suspension Secrets “Kinematics”, and £130 on brake lines will be the major contributors within a £40k development package. Still feeling like a major saving over the full Manthey conversion. I’ve driven one of those, and it was amazing, but I wasn’t sure anything other than the carbon brakes set it apart. Liam

My 74 plate GT4 RS is at the dealer, after 2500 of road miles owned from new, I have been told it needs a new PDK gearbox, it has not even had it's 1st service yet. The car felt like it jumped out of gear during acceleration and then could only be driven in 1 3 5 and 7th gears. R gear inoperable message driving permitted. Mechatronic unit was diagnosed initially but failed to fix the issue so a new box is required. Not sure how common this is, my next car will be a manual! Demonstrates the value of a Porsche warranty!

Mezgerking said: My 74 plate GT4 RS is at the dealer, after 2500 of road miles owned from new, I have been told it needs a new PDK gearbox, it has not even had it's 1st service yet. The car felt like it jumped out of gear during acceleration and then could only be driven in 1 3 5 and 7th gears. R gear inoperable message driving permitted. Mechatronic unit was diagnosed initially but failed to fix the issue so a new box is required. Not sure how common this is, my next car will be a manual! Demonstrates the value of a Porsche warranty! Manuals can fail too. But it's important to really drive Porsches in a spirited way regularly and/or track them during the first 3 years of ownership, because production issues like this emerge more often after properly driving these cars, and so then you can get everything sorted for free under warranty. I literally avoid used sports cars that have been driven rarely (under 1000 miles and are over 3 years old). You never know what will break right after you buy them. Historically, this was a huge problem with used Ferraris.

FancyZ30 said: Manuals can fail too. But it's important to really drive Porsches in a spirited way regularly and/or track them during the first 3 years of ownership, because production issues like this emerge more often after properly driving these cars, and so then you can get everything sorted for free under warranty. I literally avoid used sports cars that have been driven rarely (under 1000 miles and are over 3 years old). You never know what will break right after you buy them. Historically, this was a huge problem with used Ferraris. This is spot on. I have always bought stuff with some miles on, with a couple of very low mileage exceptions, both of which gave me plenty of trouble. I would far rather refresh seals, CV joints, bushes and consumables than fix an engine or gearbox. Or deal with modern electronics issues as they get shaken out. That F430 manual with 5k miles on it that some chancer is asking for £300k on in the classifieds is to me, the epitome of "run away".

On another note, the Spyder developed a rattling around corners on left turns, intermittent. Worrying. Was a stone caught in the undertray.

Harry Flashman said: FancyZ30 said: Manuals can fail too. But it's important to really drive Porsches in a spirited way regularly and/or track them during the first 3 years of ownership, because production issues like this emerge more often after properly driving these cars, and so then you can get everything sorted for free under warranty. I literally avoid used sports cars that have been driven rarely (under 1000 miles and are over 3 years old). You never know what will break right after you buy them. Historically, this was a huge problem with used Ferraris. This is spot on. I have always bought stuff with some miles on, with a couple of very low mileage exceptions, both of which gave me plenty of trouble. I would far rather refresh seals, CV joints, bushes and consumables than fix an engine or gearbox. Or deal with modern electronics issues as they get shaken out. That F430 manual with 5k miles on it that some chancer is asking for £300k on in the classifieds is to me, the epitome of "run away". ^^^ This... M

Mezgerking said: My 74 plate GT4 RS is at the dealer, after 2500 of road miles owned from new, I have been told it needs a new PDK gearbox, it has not even had it's 1st service yet. The car felt like it jumped out of gear during acceleration and then could only be driven in 1 3 5 and 7th gears. R gear inoperable message driving permitted. Mechatronic unit was diagnosed initially but failed to fix the issue so a new box is required. Not sure how common this is, my next car will be a manual! Demonstrates the value of a Porsche warranty! I know someone who had a new 992GT3RS with the same issue after a few hundred miles, not even run in so it does happen. It's how the OPC deals with it, unfortunately for him they played a merry dance between the OPC and Porsche Germany diagnosing, waiting days/weeks, further diagnosis and so on before a new box was installed. Needless to say he was less than impressed on the experience given he'd just parted with over £250K

FancyZ30 said: Beautiful SRS and photos. Sounds like a great trip. Yank here. Regarding induction vs exhaust note on a 718 RS. I know you do this less in the UK&EU, but something that can help tremendously is to do aftermarket overaxle pipes (OAP). In addition to the known effect of adding an extra 15-20hp to your SRS, it also has a less known effect of reducing intake noise by 20% while increasing exhaust by the same amount which greatly improves the intake/exhaust sound balance in a 718 SRS/4RS and makes longer drives less tiring, because while the intake noise is still there, the 20% reduction intake noise makes longer driver much more tolerable. Something to consider. You will have to get what is call an obd killer (software dongle) to defeat a check engine light because the OPF in your cars are monitored (not monitored in north america), but its worth it. The most bang for the buck option is to get steel over axle pipes. There are really cheap ones on alibaba. But what I recommend is getting resonated inconel over axle pipes + rear muffler from BC fabrications in the UK or Kline in europe. This will drop 32lbs from your car, and the sound from both companies is near perfect. Crisp, high pitch, exotic. I have this setup from Kline and at the track, guys are always coming up to me and asking what brand is my exhaust because it sounds so good. Cheers Completely agree. Ive had aftermarket exhausts fitted as I was underwhelmed by the exhaust sound. Not a surprise when you consider that there are 4 cats and 2 opfs. Since getting it done the intake and exhaust sounds are more balanced and its fantastic whatever the speed or rev level.

Harry Flashman said: Hi chaps. I am day 5 of 7 into a Swiss/Italian alpine tour in a Spyder RS. The car has immense road presence. It is just a lovely object. This one has everything - Weissach pack and mag wheels, PCCBs, lift kit. The trip out of Milan had me hating the induction noise, and the fact that the exhaust sound just isn't there from within the car. Edited by Harry Flashman on Thursday 24th September 21:40 Beautiful SRS and photos. Sounds like a great trip. Yank here. Regarding induction vs exhaust note on a 718 RS. I know you do this less in the UK & EU, but something that can help that induction noise issue tremendously is to install aftermarket overaxle pipes (OAP). In addition to the known effect of adding an extra 15-20hp to your SRS, it also has a less known effect of reducing intake noise by 20% while increasing exhaust by the same amount. This greatly improves the intake/exhaust sound balance in a 718 SRS/4RS and makes longer drives less tiring, because while the intake noise is still there, the 20% reduction intake noise makes longer driver much more tolerable. Something to consider. You will have to get what is call an obd killer (software dongle) to defeat a check engine light because the OPF in your cars are monitored (not monitored in north america), but its worth it. The most bang for the buck option is to get steel over axle pipes. There are really cheap ones on alibaba. But what I recommend is getting resonated inconel over axle pipes + rear muffler from BC fabrications in the UK or Kline in europe. This will drop 32lbs from your car, and the sound from both companies is near perfect. Crisp, high pitch, exotic. I have this setup from Kline and at the track, guys are always coming up to me and asking what brand is my exhaust because it sounds so good. Cheers Edited by FancyZ30 on Sunday 11th October 00:54

morcheenie said: Completely agree. Ive had aftermarket exhausts fitted as I was underwhelmed by the exhaust sound. Not a surprise when you consider that there are 4 cats and 2 opfs. Since getting it done the intake and exhaust sounds are more balanced and its fantastic whatever the speed or rev level. Its such a key mod. I've told a few gearhead friends, (who weren't sure if they were going to keep their SRS) that no one really knows how much they like a 4RS/SRS unless they've done aftermarket OAPs and rear muffler. It just transforms the car in all the right ways, and the extra 15-20hp power bump is nice too!

LiamH66 said: I m guessing everyone will have lost track of technical developments of my (now) 2 year old GT4 RS, given that I have lost track too Today was momentous day, after a 15 month gap in changes to the car. Quick recap: couple of track days all standard, couple of track days with front camber plates and a setup, couple of track days with half of the Suspension Secrets geo parts fitted, then a couple of track days with full Suspension Secrets Kinematics package, including road springs. And then more recently, a set of obscenely expensive OEM mag wheels, just to prove I m serious about this. I ve probably gushed enough already about how user-friendly, and downright quick the car has become with this work. After a full day of tuition and tweaking lines in my new GT3 Touring a few weeks ago, I was still 2 seconds off my best 4RS lap time round Silverstone International. I d been stalled by ordering a set of Surface Transforms carbon ceramic discs to replace the steel ones I d spec ed when ordering the car. Deliveries were slow, then slower, then they stopped entirely, and then Surface Transforms went into administration. Somehow, Suspension Secrets (that I d ordered the discs though) reckoned the discs would still turn up eventually, and I trust them, so I hung with that thought. A few weeks back, I got a call to say my discs had arrived. I booked in to get them fitted, and that happened today. Along with the discs, the obligatory Pagid RSC-1 pads, and brake lines were also changed over to stainless steel braided. (Not Manthey, but we d figured Manthey probably don t make their own. Think it was £130 for a decent set of good quality motorsport braided brake lines.) Too early to give much in the way of first impressions about the discs, as I ll be bedding them into the pads carefully before giving them any welly. They are bedding in more noisily than the PCCBs on my GT3 Touring did, but not in a way that concerns me. They are urging me to press the pedal harder, but it s not time yet. They need to wear a little before I finish curing the pads. They do look very nice though! The biggest revelation is the pedal feel with proper brake lines. Always needed a firm stomp, but no longer bounces back at me, and feels very reassuring for that. Of all the changes to the car so far, it s the one I wish I d have done first, if just to separate brake feel from front end dive and rise/recovery when turning the car in. I ve probably run myself out of time for track days this year, but want to get a couple more in before the final development, which will be shock absorbers. Not expecting much bang per buck from that one, but I ll go with sensible tried and trustworthy . My gut feel is that £5k with Suspension Secrets Kinematics , and £130 on brake lines will be the major contributors within a £40k development package. Still feeling like a major saving over the full Manthey conversion. I ve driven one of those, and it was amazing, but I wasn t sure anything other than the carbon brakes set it apart. Liam Great to see ... you can now almost forget having to look after your brakes (though cooling down is still good) ... and you will save a lot on replacement pads

FancyZ30 said: morcheenie said: Completely agree. Ive had aftermarket exhausts fitted as I was underwhelmed by the exhaust sound. Not a surprise when you consider that there are 4 cats and 2 opfs. Since getting it done the intake and exhaust sounds are more balanced and its fantastic whatever the speed or rev level. Its such a key mod. I've told a few gearhead friends, (who weren't sure if they were going to keep their SRS) that no one really knows how much they like a 4RS/SRS unless they've done aftermarket OAPs and rear muffler. It just transforms the car in all the right ways, and the extra 15-20hp power bump is nice too! Though trackday noise is still a question to consider and there may be more far reaching legislation on aftermarket noise levels coming .... it is possible to fit a wider bore exhaust which reduces noise whilst increasing power in tandem with a live remap.

This is an excellent exhaust video demonstrating much of what I shared above. https://youtu.be/wKZ81hV9m84?si=Hhtrm-DYUChPx-Oa

FancyZ30 said: This is an excellent exhaust video demonstrating much of what I shared above. https://youtu.be/wKZ81hV9m84?si=Hhtrm-DYUChPx-Oa Agreed, excellent vid and I agree that opfs probably has the single biggest negative impact on quality of intake and exhaust noise

Interesting stuff chaps, thank you!

ChrisW. said: Though trackday noise is still a question to consider and there may be more far reaching legislation on aftermarket noise levels coming .... it is possible to fit a wider bore exhaust which reduces noise whilst increasing power in tandem with a live remap. This is why I recommend Kline resonated over axle pipes (OAP). With those you have zero drone, and Kline oap have the least amount of total volume increase. Two reasons. 1- almost all aftermarket exhaust companies sell pipes that are wider than OEM because "it reduces backpressure more". Unfortunately, all exhaust pipes that are larger than stock create drone. All of them. Larger pipe also have louder volumes. Kline has 2.5 in diameter same as OEM. This, and their resonator is why Kline is the only rear muffler for 718 4.0L cars with zero drone. BC fabs and JCR are 2.75inches. Dundon, Soul, and Fabspeed are 3 inches. If you're worried about total volume but want OAPs, Kline is the clear choice. Keep in mind that OAPs control sound volume but not the quality. The muffler controls the quality, but not the volume on 718 RS models. Kline is available in stainless steel and inconel. Inconel is used in aerospace and other high temp applications because it manages heat so well, and does not fatigue like titanium. Inconel is lighter than steel for the same amount of strength and produces a higher pitch exhaust note. Inconel is the best material for an exhaust, but it's more difficultto manipulate which is why a full inconel systerm is only offered by BC fabs and Kline, but not from any other manufacturer. Kline has great quality, but because the factory is in Romania, the labor costs are much less, so Kline is a great deal for the money. I have, and highly recommend for 718 RS models, Kline inconel over axle pipes and rear muffler. Drops 32 lbs, adds 15-20 hp. Creates a high pitch, exotic tone with zero drone and the least amount of volume increase of any major exhaust, but yes it still goes up by 15% Edited by FancyZ30 on Tuesday 13th October 16:46 Edited by FancyZ30 on Thursday 15th October 22:52 Edited by FancyZ30 on Thursday 15th October 22:53