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What fascinated me was Harry Metcalfe's summary and his understanding that this (718)EV was due to kill the 911 ?!
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One issue is the Soundaktor device that makes itself known when in Sport (& Sport Plus) mode, it creates a dreadful din in the cabin, disabling that by the simple removal of a fuse and you lose the din and can hear the exhaust without its interference.
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Replace much over it's lifespan (6cyl aside), i'm more likely
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Plus the car never really changed much over it's lifespan (6cyl aside), I'm more likely to keep mine until I decide to get something different, probably an older car like a 981 Spyder or GT4, at push a Boxster 25 years.
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Not sure how things have changed since Porsche divested in Bugatti/Rimac.
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Use by all the vw brands, much like the taycan
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From what I've read so far the new EV platform for the 718 will be used by all the VW brands, much like the Taycan.
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I’m tempted, at potentially 500 bhp maybe, new design and interior etc, it would be a great daily driver to replace our BMW comp cab, and to sit alongside a DB12.
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I m tempted, at potentially 500 bhp maybe, new design and interior etc, it would be a great daily driver to replace our BMW comp cab, and to sit alongside a DB12.
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Then we get into the qualitative stuff, like being able to work the car up through several gears, timing the change perfectly at the red line each time, before braking with a heel+toe down changing into the next bend, all while staying vaguely under the speed limit.
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Plus the car never really changed much over it's lifespan (6cyl aside), I'm more likely to keep mine until I decide to get something different, probably an older car like a 981 Spyder or GT4, at push a Boxster 25 years.
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Front half of the car won't have to change much, even internally and the changes at the rear will likely be mostly internal, plus maybe a few cosmetic tweaks all round to freshen the whole thing up, reflecting the fact that it's meant to have been on sale by now and the design will be a bit old by the time it actually hits the market.
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Front half of the car won't have to change much, even internally and the changes at the rear will likely be mostly internal, plus maybe a few cosmetic tweaks all round to freshen the whole thing up, reflecting the fact that it's meant to have been on sale by now and the design will be a bit old by the time it actually hits the market.
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Then we get into the qualitative stuff, like being able to work the car up through several gears, timing the change perfectly at the red line each time, before braking with a heel+toe down changing into the next bend, all while staying vaguely under the speed limit.
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One issue is the Soundaktor device that makes itself known when in Sport (& Sport Plus) mode, it creates a dreadful din in the cabin, disabling that by the simple removal of a fuse and you lose the din and can hear the exhaust without its interference.
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So we all know this is coming, maybe end of this year or next year.
They will be filling a huge gap in the market. Did you know the only convertible EV cars are a Fiat 500 or a MG Cyberster.
I’m tempted, at potentially 500 bhp maybe, new design and interior etc, it would be a great daily driver to replace our BMW comp cab, and to sit alongside a DB12.
Have had 3 Porsches and would like to come back
Know you mentioned using it as a daily but I'm wondering what its range might be if used enthusiastically, and how that might compute with a trip to Wales or Scotland where it can be hard to get premium petrol, let alone find fast chargers in the rural areas
That's before one gets into what it might be like to drive of course
Count897 said:
Presume will weigh at least two tonnes and cost over 100 grand. Just don t see the appeal really.
I don’t see it being two tonnes, hopefully 1.5 ish. Like all other Porsche there will be lots of options and model variants. I’m hoping for a GTS variant at around £80k
Stark999 said:
So we all know this is coming, maybe end of this year or next year.
They will be filling a huge gap in the market. Did you know the only convertible EV cars are a Fiat 500 or a MG Cyberster.
I m tempted, at potentially 500 bhp maybe, new design and interior etc, it would be a great daily driver to replace our BMW comp cab, and to sit alongside a DB12.
Have had 3 Porsches and would like to come back
Don’t think the next cayman/boxster porsche is due to l2027 - so two years wait. Am sure that is the latest I read recently as there are various problems stalling launch.
Stark999 said:
So we all know this is coming, maybe end of this year or next year.
They will be filling a huge gap in the market. Did you know the only convertible EV cars are a Fiat 500 or a MG Cyberster.
I m tempted, at potentially 500 bhp maybe, new design and interior etc, it would be a great daily driver to replace our BMW comp cab, and to sit alongside a DB12.
Have had 3 Porsches and would like to come back
Don’t think the next cayman/boxster porsche is due to l2027 - so two years wait. Am sure that is the latest I read recently as there are various problems stalling launch.
Stark999 said:
So we all know this is coming, maybe end of this year or next year.
They will be filling a huge gap in the market. Did you know the only convertible EV cars are a Fiat 500 or a MG Cyberster.
Both those cars are in different sectors and much cheaper that the Porsche will be.
Honestly, if the past few years have shown us anything, it's that EV sports/super cars are very hard to sell. People driving everyday cars are mostly fine with electric power, it's just another means of propulsion. Buyers of sports cars buy them for a significantly different reasons and the engine is a huge part of the sports car experience. Few are light cars but they are certainly much lighter than an EV.
Porsche are far from the only ones, of course, but I can't help feeling that they are beavering away to build a car most people don't yet want or will accept.
This huge gap is really a tiny gap in the market.
Current Cayman's weigh up to 1400KG so any thought of the EV being lighter you can think again, or they have a limited range.
Also, if you think they'll be cheaper than the ICE equivalent I'd think again, Porsche have already stalled the dates to release the EV Cayman/Boxster due to demand concerns after the beating they've taken on Taycan's and Macan EV's, the last thing they want is to do the same in their sports car market.
It's going to have to have all of the bells and whistles to sell in my eyes, maybe the gap between the 718 ICE to EV platform is the trick as some people will be itching to replace their current car and this being the only option in that space.
I feel that the Taycan only suffered because no-one wants big saloons these days but many bought them on company leases with zero tax and after that they were just large saloons hitting a market that didn't exist before, let alone now. They are amazing bargains now though.
Is the EV SUV struggling too?
Frimley111R said:
I feel that the Taycan only suffered because no-one wants big saloons these days but many bought them on company leases with zero tax and after that they were just large saloons hitting a market that didn't exist before, let alone now. They are amazing bargains now though.
Is the EV SUV struggling too?
244 Macan EV's on AT right now, oldest go back to 74 plate, I spotted a nearly new Turbo S (60 miles on the clock) with 20K discount, I'll let you make your own assumptions on the SUV EV.
Frimley111R said:
Both those cars are in different sectors and much cheaper that the Porsche will be.
Honestly, if the past few years have shown us anything, it's that EV sports/super cars are very hard to sell. People driving everyday cars are mostly fine with electric power, it's just another means of propulsion. Buyers of sports cars buy them for a significantly different reasons and the engine is a huge part of the sports car experience. Few are light cars but they are certainly much lighter than an EV.
Porsche are far from the only ones, of course, but I can't help feeling that they are beavering away to build a car most people don't yet want or will accept.
This huge gap is really a tiny gap in the market.
Yep, would expect existing residuals to hold strongly, maybe even appreciate if numbers run too low...
Very few will be interested in a 2 tonne EV Boxster at £100k+. Hardly even seems worth developing at all other than to virtue signal. Is surely better to build ICE for markets unaffected by bans and ready for when those unworkable bans get abolished. Worst case will be ways to to get around the regs on import.
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Frimley111R said:
Both those cars are in different sectors and much cheaper that the Porsche will be.
Honestly, if the past few years have shown us anything, it's that EV sports/super cars are very hard to sell. People driving everyday cars are mostly fine with electric power, it's just another means of propulsion. Buyers of sports cars buy them for a significantly different reasons and the engine is a huge part of the sports car experience. Few are light cars but they are certainly much lighter than an EV.
Porsche are far from the only ones, of course, but I can't help feeling that they are beavering away to build a car most people don't yet want or will accept.
This huge gap is really a tiny gap in the market.
Yep, would expect existing residuals to hold strongly, maybe even appreciate if numbers run too low...
Very few will be interested in a 2 tonne EV Boxster at £100k+. Hardly even seems worth developing at all other than to virtue signal. Is surely better to build ICE for markets unaffected by bans and ready for when those unworkable bans get abolished. Worst case will be ways to to get around the regs on import.
Agreed but I think they are commited and can't or won't backtrack. Tough decision given the huge sums involved.
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Frimley111R said:
I feel that the Taycan only suffered because no-one wants big saloons these days but many bought them on company leases with zero tax and after that they were just large saloons hitting a market that didn't exist before, let alone now. They are amazing bargains now though.
Is the EV SUV struggling too?
244 Macan EV's on AT right now, oldest go back to 74 plate, I spotted a nearly new Turbo S (60 miles on the clock) with 20K discount, I'll let you make your own assumptions on the SUV EV.
A quick Google indicates they are selling well globally though...
TrevorHill said:
Count897 said:
Presume will weigh at least two tonnes and cost over 100 grand. Just don t see the appeal really.
I don t see it being two tonnes, hopefully 1.5 ish. Like all other Porsche there will be lots of options and model variants. I m hoping for a GTS variant at around £80k
It won't be 2,000kg. It'll be between 1,500kg at the low end and 1,700kg. Even 1,700kg would be a bad outcome, but it won't be 2,000kg.
A Tesla Model 3 Long Range is just over 1,800kg with a 78.1kWh battery. And two motors, four doors, four seats, more glass etc etc. Porsche will definitely be able to beat that by at least 100kg with a smaller two seat car with a single motor and similar battery capacity.
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I feel that the Taycan only suffered because no-one wants big saloons these days but many bought them on company leases with zero tax and after that they were just large saloons hitting a market that didn't exist before, let alone now. They are amazing bargains now though.
Is the EV SUV struggling too?
244 Macan EV's on AT right now, oldest go back to 74 plate, I spotted a nearly new Turbo S (60 miles on the clock) with 20K discount, I'll let you make your own assumptions on the SUV EV.
A quick Google indicates they are selling well globally though...
I'm sure they are, but if there are already 244 readily available on AT within a year of launch and not being flipped for a profit it tells me something.
Allegedly Tesla just filed for new Model 3 to be released in China later this autumn with 800km range at same weight as current model. Not sure that anyone really needs 490miles of range, but it might open the door for a lighter weight alternative with more modest range, so perhaps bodes well for Boxster EV
ShortBeardy said:
Allegedly Tesla just filed for new Model 3 to be released in China later this autumn with 800km range at same weight as current model. Not sure that anyone really needs 490miles of range, but it might open the door for a lighter weight alternative with more modest range, so perhaps bodes well for Boxster EV
EV haters will tell you everyone needs 500 mile range.
It would be good if someone can build a decent EV sports car and do something like Hyundai has with the Ioniq 5 n and 6 n and give it engagement. Porsche are probably the EU manufacturer who can do it. Price would be a concern though. IMO Porsche are getting less and less affordable.
I find new car prices absolutely baffling nowadays. 150k for a Macan Turbo - which to me is a white goods car, a nice white goods car I guess, but still ….
There are 900ish for sale on mobile.de, starting from c 75k
https://m.mobile.de/auto-inserat/porsche-macan-tur...
MDL111 said:
I find new car prices absolutely baffling nowadays. 150k for a Macan Turbo - which to me is a white goods car, a nice white goods car I guess, but still .
There are 900ish for sale on mobile.de, starting from c 75k
https://m.mobile.de/auto-inserat/porsche-macan-tur...
It’s the badge. Ridiculous but true.
I have a friend with a Macan, he cites Porsche racing heritage. I point out that no Porsche SUV has won at Le Mans…
And a Macan is as good a spot for an EV drivetrain as it gets. Why you would spend six figures on one I have no idea.
I think the only thing that makes sense for an EV Boxster/Cayman is a sporty commuter car. I suspect most 911 owners didn’t buy them to hit the Nurburgring, they want a sporty good looking car and many would probably prefer one that is a bit more refined and also wouldn’t mind getting one with very low BIK. And unsurprisingly the renders based on spy shots look very much like a 911. They could charge 911-ish money for it also and maybe wouldn’t call it Boxster or Cayman.
Personally I think they will sell but probably at 50% of the volumes. There are many many owners out there who just want a nice P car and aren t really petrol heads like most on here and it will suit fine. I had a standard 718 boxster as a courtesy car a week from my OPC. It did nothing for me whatsoever - the soundtrack was terrible for me and it might as well been EV - however the Mrs loved it, which tells me all I need to know
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The only possible saviour will be gimmicky functions like on the Hyundai N cars that fake gear changes and sound track as it is unfortunately a big part of car driving for fun for most of us aswell as how it steers and performance . However I can t see Porsche doing that myself.
EVs for the daily , pre 2022 cars for the weekend car for me until its outlawed. Of course I’d love to be wrong , we have to see.
People go on about the sound of the 718. I much prefer it over the 981, but it’s a matter of preference. I don’t like being shouty and aggressive, at least not in my cars anyway. For me a Cayman EV might just be the perfect car. Styles come and go but fast never goes out of fashion.
I have a deposit on the new Cayman and am in no rush. It will be ready when its ready.
I have been looking at 987 Boxsters (33.44S) lately and thinking it might just be the perfect summer car. Cheap and cheerful and fast enough with the roof down to do me on a summers evening.
Frimley111R said:
Both those cars are in different sectors and much cheaper that the Porsche will be.
Honestly, if the past few years have shown us anything, it's that EV sports/super cars are very hard to sell. People driving everyday cars are mostly fine with electric power, it's just another means of propulsion. Buyers of sports cars buy them for a significantly different reasons and the engine is a huge part of the sports car experience. Few are light cars but they are certainly much lighter than an EV.
Porsche are far from the only ones, of course, but I can't help feeling that they are beavering away to build a car most people don't yet want or will accept.
This huge gap is really a tiny gap in the market.
To be honest this is exactly the car I want and can’t wait for. The design, the range and I know it’s going to look amazing. Look at the Taycan and Macan
Stark999 said:
To be honest this is exactly the car I want and can t wait for.
The design, the range and I know it s going to look amazing. Look at the Taycan and Macan
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder I guess.
Taycan is bland, Macan is slightly better but it's a well trodden path for that model but neither are jaw dropping. The Cayman EV spy shots look like a fat 2 door Taycan to me.
bosshog said:
The only possible saviour will be gimmicky functions like on the Hyundai N cars that fake gear changes and sound track as it is unfortunately a big part of car driving for fun for most of us aswell as how it steers and performance . However I can t see Porsche doing that myself
The Shiftezsounakzein pack, that will be 20k sir, comes with different coloured badges and led lights on your seats!
Stark999 said:
Frimley111R said:
Both those cars are in different sectors and much cheaper that the Porsche will be.
Honestly, if the past few years have shown us anything, it's that EV sports/super cars are very hard to sell. People driving everyday cars are mostly fine with electric power, it's just another means of propulsion. Buyers of sports cars buy them for a significantly different reasons and the engine is a huge part of the sports car experience. Few are light cars but they are certainly much lighter than an EV.
Porsche are far from the only ones, of course, but I can't help feeling that they are beavering away to build a car most people don't yet want or will accept.
This huge gap is really a tiny gap in the market.
To be honest this is exactly the car I want and can t wait for. The design, the range and I know it s going to look amazing. Look at the Taycan and Macan
Apart from your good self Im yet to hear anyone describe the Taycan or Macan as amazing looking , they are nice enough but far from amazing , EV Cayman/Boxster will be a complete waste of time
One of those photos shows it parked next to a 911, it looks just as big as a 911 in that photo which if accurate begs why you wouldn't just pick the 911.
I'm really curious to see how Porsche turn this around, assuming they can. The 2-seater sports car has yet to be turned into an EV platform apart from MG, I cannot think of any others. You would think Mazda would be right here with a new MX-5.
There are lots of Boxsters/Caymans out there used as dailies and weekend toys so Porsche need to ensure this carries through to the EV, but cost is going to be critical here to ensure they can generate enough sales and I doubt your entry level Boxster/Cayman is going to be anywhere near as cheap as the outgoing 718 2L 4-pots.
Freakuk said:
cost is going to be critical here to ensure they can generate enough sales and I doubt your entry level Boxster/Cayman is going to be anywhere near as cheap as the outgoing 718 2L 4-pots.
MG Cyberster at £55k-£60k starts the bidding. 718 similarly started from £55k but went a lot higher. I'm guessing £70k absolute minimum starting price and escalating from there.
Given original Boxster/Cayman achieved economies of scale by using 911 parts we might see the same again. Perhaps 2WD in the smaller car and 4WD across the 911 range.
Panamax said:
MG Cyberster at £55k-£60k starts the bidding. 718 similarly started from £55k but went a lot higher. I'm guessing £70k absolute minimum starting price and escalating from there.
Given original Boxster/Cayman achieved economies of scale by using 911 parts we might see the same again. Perhaps 2WD in the smaller car and 4WD across the 911 range.
The last price for the base 718 Cayman was £53,800, with a 0-100 kmh of 4.9 sec and a top speed of 171mph. I'd definitely go for that over a Cyberster.
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One of those photos shows it parked next to a 911, it looks just as big as a 911 in that photo which if accurate begs why you wouldn't just pick the 911.
I'm really curious to see how Porsche turn this around, assuming they can. The 2-seater sports car has yet to be turned into an EV platform apart from MG, I cannot think of any others. You would think Mazda would be right here with a new MX-5.
There are lots of Boxsters/Caymans out there used as dailies and weekend toys so Porsche need to ensure this carries through to the EV, but cost is going to be critical here to ensure they can generate enough sales and I doubt your entry level Boxster/Cayman is going to be anywhere near as cheap as the outgoing 718 2L 4-pots.
Apart from length, the 718 is pretty much the same size as the 991, so a newer model matching the 992 dimensions would be expected. People don't choose between them for the size, it's the price and the driving experience that separates the two models.
An EV Cayman will suit many people who maybe daily one, the weekenders though will look for an ICE car. Which is probably why Porsche are responding to this and making a top end ICE variant, after all if you want one just for the weekends you will probably be happy with the premium over the EV car, even if it's quite a bit slower and I can't get my head around how anyone who goes on European road trips would manage that with an EV car.
https://finder.porsche.com/gb/en-GB/search/718?mod...
Interestingly the price of the last available 4 pot 718's are quite eye watering, not sure who is buying them at £80k, though looking at Macan EV pricing it seems a £80k is a price point not too far off what we can expect the EV cars to start at. Though I'd expect the depreciation will probably be similar to the current 4 pot range.
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Freakuk said:
One of those photos shows it parked next to a 911, it looks just as big as a 911 in that photo which if accurate begs why you wouldn't just pick the 911.
I'm really curious to see how Porsche turn this around, assuming they can. The 2-seater sports car has yet to be turned into an EV platform apart from MG, I cannot think of any others. You would think Mazda would be right here with a new MX-5.
There are lots of Boxsters/Caymans out there used as dailies and weekend toys so Porsche need to ensure this carries through to the EV, but cost is going to be critical here to ensure they can generate enough sales and I doubt your entry level Boxster/Cayman is going to be anywhere near as cheap as the outgoing 718 2L 4-pots.
Apart from length, the 718 is pretty much the same size as the 991, so a newer model matching the 992 dimensions would be expected. People don't choose between them for the size, it's the price and the driving experience that separates the two models.
An EV Cayman will suit many people who maybe daily one, the weekenders though will look for an ICE car. Which is probably why Porsche are responding to this and making a top end ICE variant, after all if you want one just for the weekends you will probably be happy with the premium over the EV car, even if it's quite a bit slower and I can't get my head around how anyone who goes on European road trips would manage that with an EV car.
https://finder.porsche.com/gb/en-GB/search/718?mod...
Interestingly the price of the last available 4 pot 718's are quite eye watering, not sure who is buying them at £80k, though looking at Macan EV pricing it seems a £80k is a price point not too far off what we can expect the EV cars to start at. Though I'd expect the depreciation will probably be similar to the current 4 pot range.
To be honest I chose a Cayman over a 911 because of size, I have several friends who have 992's and they all say they are too big for UK roads now, the 911 has swelled over the last few generations and I wanted something I can use on the road more than the track so I've gone through 4 generations of Boxster/Cayman and I'm now in a GT4RS and I sat on the fence pondering a GT3.
With reference to the Macan though, that will ultimately become the next Q5 or Skoda also, the Cayman/Boxster sits on it's own so selling them at volume is going to be a struggle and the costs must be higher given the R&D for a single manufacturer, unless there's a new EV TT coming, given how many 2nd hand Macan EV's are available on AT I'd imagine the EV Boxster/Cayman will be as bad if not worse unfortunately.
The question IMO is whether they need two sports cars at all once you don't have an ICE hanging out the back of a 911. Bear in mind Boxster/Cayman largely started out as a decontented 911 at a lower price and maybe they'll do the same again. A slightly smaller package for a 2-seat version with less ritzy trim, less power and a lower price - but lots of shared parts.
Freakuk said:
kalexan273 said:
Freakuk said:
One of those photos shows it parked next to a 911, it looks just as big as a 911 in that photo which if accurate begs why you wouldn't just pick the 911.
I'm really curious to see how Porsche turn this around, assuming they can. The 2-seater sports car has yet to be turned into an EV platform apart from MG, I cannot think of any others. You would think Mazda would be right here with a new MX-5.
There are lots of Boxsters/Caymans out there used as dailies and weekend toys so Porsche need to ensure this carries through to the EV, but cost is going to be critical here to ensure they can generate enough sales and I doubt your entry level Boxster/Cayman is going to be anywhere near as cheap as the outgoing 718 2L 4-pots.
Apart from length, the 718 is pretty much the same size as the 991, so a newer model matching the 992 dimensions would be expected. People don't choose between them for the size, it's the price and the driving experience that separates the two models.
An EV Cayman will suit many people who maybe daily one, the weekenders though will look for an ICE car. Which is probably why Porsche are responding to this and making a top end ICE variant, after all if you want one just for the weekends you will probably be happy with the premium over the EV car, even if it's quite a bit slower and I can't get my head around how anyone who goes on European road trips would manage that with an EV car.
https://finder.porsche.com/gb/en-GB/search/718?mod...
Interestingly the price of the last available 4 pot 718's are quite eye watering, not sure who is buying them at £80k, though looking at Macan EV pricing it seems a £80k is a price point not too far off what we can expect the EV cars to start at. Though I'd expect the depreciation will probably be similar to the current 4 pot range.
To be honest I chose a Cayman over a 911 because of size, I have several friends who have 992's and they all say they are too big for UK roads now, the 911 has swelled over the last few generations and I wanted something I can use on the road more than the track so I've gone through 4 generations of Boxster/Cayman and I'm now in a GT4RS and I sat on the fence pondering a GT3.
With reference to the Macan though, that will ultimately become the next Q5 or Skoda also, the Cayman/Boxster sits on it's own so selling them at volume is going to be a struggle and the costs must be higher given the R&D for a single manufacturer, unless there's a new EV TT coming, given how many 2nd hand Macan EV's are available on AT I'd imagine the EV Boxster/Cayman will be as bad if not worse unfortunately.
Which is fair enough, the Cayman platform in my eyes is the better car on UK roads, apart from it's lower stance. I'd swap mine for a later car, though there is no point apart from the later 6cyl engines, and the jump is too high. Plus the car never really changed much over it's lifespan (6cyl aside), I'm more likely to keep mine until I decide to get something different, probably an older car like a 981 Spyder or GT4, at push a Boxster 25 years. When I bought the car it had all of the optional extras I wanted, as a weekend car high mileage or life of the car is not really relevant. Current prices, along with interest rates are just suicidal for the company, especially when other German brands like BMW are able to offer 3.9% APR deals.
From what I've read so far the new EV platform for the 718 will be used by all the VW brands, much like the Taycan. So the new Audi, Cupra and VW 2-seaters also in planning will all likely use the underpinning engineering.
Porsche considering to can the EC Boxster and Cayman.
Bloomberg cites multiple sources with knowledge of internal Porsche discussions, who say that new CEO Michael Leiters is weighing cutting the company's losses and strongly in favour ot writing the whole thing off.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2026-02-02...
Jones the cat said:
Porsche considering to can the EC Boxster and Cayman.
I can't imagine many tears would be shed. Let's hope they keep the old models going and don't just can the "entry Porsche" in favour of yet another move up-market. If they can Boxster/Cayman they'll be leaving the door wide open for the Chinese and anyone else who wants to have a go at a mainstream sports car. Current 911s are big, expensive things and Taycan follows a similar path.
Jones the cat said:
Porsche considering to can the EC Boxster and Cayman.
Bloomberg cites multiple sources with knowledge of internal Porsche discussions, who say that new CEO Michael Leiters is weighing cutting the company's losses and strongly in favour ot writing the whole thing off.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2026-02-02...
It's a horrible situation to be in, all that money and time only to find out buyers don't want an EV sports car. Potentially though, it does make sense.
Frimley111R said:
It's a horrible situation to be in, all that money and time only
to find out buyers don't want an EV sports car.
...to find out the government wasn't going to make everyone buy electric cars after all.
As you suggest, it's crazy the way governments have shafted their domestic motor industries and handed everything to the Chinese on a plate. But don't worry, we can now go and visit Beijing for 30 days without a visa. Brilliant.
Panamax said:
I can't imagine many tears would be shed. Let's hope they keep the old models going and don't just can the "entry Porsche" in favour of yet another move up-market. If they can Boxster/Cayman they'll be leaving the door wide open for the Chinese and anyone else who wants to have a go at a mainstream sports car. Current 911s are big, expensive things and Taycan follows a similar path.
I think they can cancel the EV, but still do an ICE car based on the 992 platform. They don't need to keep the 982 going.
You can see from the "spy" photos that the EV is 992 derived. And I think that's a big part of why it was even plausible for Porsche to add an ICE version after they had decided to go pure EV.
I think the final call will probably hinge on plans for the 911. Not sure what the codename for the next 911 is (presumably not 993!), but if it's based on an updated 992 platform that may help with allowing an ICE Cayster to make sense. If the next 911 is on an all-new platform, then you'd think at this point it would make more sense to put the Cayster on that platform. But then that would entail another delay etc and they'd loose literally all the investment on the next-gen Cayster up to this point. At which point they might just think, sod it.
If they use the 992 platform, of course, then probably pretty much all of the front half of the car is essentially paid for and that's gotta help.
Another possible negative data point re the Cayster at this point is the huge volumes they are selling of the 911 these days. They've done basically 50k units of the 911 the last two years, which is more than they used to do quite often of 911 and Cayster combined. So, the cost benefits of amortising the platform and engine engineering costs with the cheaper model are possibly less compelling now that they shift so many 911s.
Panamax said:
Frimley111R said:
It's a horrible situation to be in, all that money and time only
to find out buyers don't want an EV sports car.
...to find out the government wasn't going to make everyone buy electric cars after all.
As you suggest, it's crazy the way governments have shafted their domestic motor industries and handed everything to the Chinese on a plate. But don't worry, we can now go and visit Beijing for 30 days without a visa. Brilliant.
Yep, governments are idiots. But the fact remains that removing sound from cars and adding a lot of weight is not what sports car enthusiasts want.
Based on my current EV, I think I would be interested in an EV sports car, it could be made engaging (my EV is) but weight would need to come down. Personally, I would tolerate lower range to reduce the mass.
However, an EV sports car would be in addition to my ICE sports car.
An EV sports car could also work as a daily for me, it would need 220 miles real range (as per my current ev) and be a similar size to a 992 or an Ftype. I suspect thats acheivble with a mass of 1800kg which is fine for a daily if I get EV performance, balance and (I know many people don't get this because they haven't tried it) Ioniq5 style gear charge torque delivery simulation.
blueg33 said:
Based on my current EV, I think I would be interested in an EV sports car, it could be made engaging (my EV is) but weight would need to come down. Personally, I would tolerate lower range to reduce the mass.
However, an EV sports car would be in addition to my ICE sports car.
An EV sports car could also work as a daily for me, it would need 220 miles real range (as per my current ev) and be a similar size to a 992 or an Ftype. I suspect thats acheivble with a mass of 1800kg which is fine for a daily if I get EV performance, balance and (I know many people don't get this because they haven't tried it) Ioniq5 style gear charge torque delivery simulation.
Agree re weight. Tesla Model 3 entry used to weigh around 1700kg, which was fine. Im unsure whether or not the term sports car will ever be something I'm comfortable applying to an EV, but that could be a generational issue! I'd just like to see more moderately sized and good looking EVs. In VW group, I really think they should have started with the TT and tried to sell a mass market car that could be loosely termed sporty, rather than risking the Porsche brand for an otherwise unproven market segment.
Edited by JustinC79 on Tuesday 3rd February 21:47
A Tesla M3P is 1850kg, 510hp and ~300 mile range.
Chop the roof off it, tweak the suspension geometry and sort the interior and aesthetics. The basics all work...
ShortBeardy said:
A Tesla M3P is 1850kg, 510hp and ~300 mile range.
Chop the roof off it, tweak the suspension geometry and sort the interior and aesthetics. The basics all work...
You could also strap a rocket to a skateboard and it would be the fastest thing on the planet, but if people don't want to buy them there is no point making them.
Before committing vast resources to producing an EV Cayman/Boxster you would have thought Porsche would have carried out countless surveys of actual customers to see if they would be happy to replace their beloved flat six engines for an electric motor.
It was exactly the same when they thought it was a good idea to introduce that awful flat four in the 718 then had to rapidly backtrack and bring out the 718 GTS 4.0L.
People didn't like loosing one of the most important aspects of the car...the way it sounds.
Clad-Hach said:
It was exactly the same when they thought it was a good idea to introduce that awful flat four in the 718 then had to rapidly backtrack and bring out the 718 GTS 4.0L
I have owned every example of the 718 and without doubt my favourite is the 2.5 GTS. It’s quicker in everyday driving and for me more chuckable on a country road than a GT4. Yes the GT4 is faster, but only when it gets above 5k rpm.
I also have a deposit on a Cayman EV so make of that what you will
TrevorHill said:
I have owned every example of the 718 and without doubt my favourite is the 2.5 GTS. It s quicker in everyday driving and for me more chuckable on a country road than a GT4. Yes the GT4 is faster, but only when it gets above 5k rpm.
I also have a deposit on a Cayman EV so make of that what you will
The only thing I can think of is there's something wrong with you..!!!
Clad-Hach said:
The only thing I can think of is there's something wrong with you..!!!
EV's can be very entertaining. I would suggest there is nothing wrong with him.
Have you tried many EV sports cars? or EV's set up for enthusiastic driving?
blueg33 said:
EV's can be very entertaining. I would suggest there is nothing wrong with him.
Have you tried many EV sports cars? or EV's set up for enthusiastic driving?
Can you suggest some please.
Clad-Hach said:
blueg33 said:
EV's can be very entertaining. I would suggest there is nothing wrong with him.
Have you tried many EV sports cars? or EV's set up for enthusiastic driving?
Can you suggest some please.
Start with an Ioniq5n
Clad-Hach said:
blueg33 said:
EV's can be very entertaining. I would suggest there is nothing wrong with him.
Have you tried many EV sports cars? or EV's set up for enthusiastic driving?
Can you suggest some please.
The Alpine 290GTS ?? 1550 Kilos ...
Edited by ChrisW. on Sunday 8th February 11:51
ChrisW. said:
The Alpine 290GTS ?? 1550 Kilos ...
Edited by ChrisW. on Sunday 8th February 11:51
That's also a hatchback.
However this and the Renault 5 are probably the best looking EV's around, if you are in the market for a nice looking small'ish EV hatch these would be hard to beat.
I've found one...MG Cyberster, it a very pretty car, and with 335 - 503 bhp it should go very well even if its two tonnes.
However being made from Chinesium I'd have a hard time shelling out £50k for a China built car, the depreciation will be skydiver like so not a good ownership proposition.
Perhaps this will be the answer -
https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/mazda/mx-5/electric-...
I agree ... the range when pressing on is always going to be an issue, but the smaller the car and the more local its usage ... and the better the charge network, the more this starts to make sense.
The Alpine is ranged at 225 miles ... I think hard worked it could easily be 100 miles ... and heat will always be something to manage with current technology. I certainly wouldn't want to take one on track. Can you imagine working a battery hard in the morning (lots of heat build up) ... fast charging it at lunchtime (more heat build up) and then going out again in the afternoon and hoping to drive the car back home ??
Swirly said:
F4 actually a great engine, really chuckable and vastly better value than the 4.0. A lot of cash for a different soundtrack but if it s important to you Porsche monetise it perfectly.
There are differences other than sound track, mostly importantly in terms of dynamics. Some of them clearly in favour of the F6, some in favour of the F4. You seem to have overlooked the ones in favour of the F6. So, either that's not great car analysis. Or it's bias.
Ultimately, it's a preference thing. NA verus turbo. Pros and cons. And there's a lot more to it than the sound track.
ChrisW. said:
I agree ... the range when pressing on is always going to be an issue, but the smaller the car and the more local its usage ... and the better the charge network, the more this starts to make sense.
Not sure that makes sense.
Personally, I'd want even more range in a sports car EV than a daily EV.
In a sports car, I want to be able to go places, to great roads, wherever they are. I don't to be limited to my particular locale. And given range takes such a hammering if you drive hard, that becomes even more critical.
A daily with 200 miles plus of real-world range is fine for cruising about locally and then charging at night at home. In a sportscar, honestly I'd want 500 miles-plus real-world cruising range, which would hopefully then allow you to drive 100 miles, rag the thing to death for a bit and then drive home without relying on the charging network.
A sports car with a 200 mile real-world cruising range would be barely usable to go anywhere for a good drive. You'd probably burn throught the battery in about 50-75 miles of hard driving. Pretty useless and very unappealing, if you ask me.
I’m sure the intention is/was to produce EVs that would look sporty on the commute so the normal driving to the shops/work EV usage pattern would apply.
housemouse said:
ChrisW. said:
I agree ... the range when pressing on is always going to be an issue, but the smaller the car and the more local its usage ... and the better the charge network, the more this starts to make sense.
Not sure that makes sense.
Personally, I'd want even more range in a sports car EV than a daily EV.
In a sports car, I want to be able to go places, to great roads, wherever they are. I don't to be limited to my particular locale. And given range takes such a hammering if you drive hard, that becomes even more critical.
A daily with 200 miles plus of real-world range is fine for cruising about locally and then charging at night at home. In a sportscar, honestly I'd want 500 miles-plus real-world cruising range, which would hopefully then allow you to drive 100 miles, rag the thing to death for a bit and then drive home without relying on the charging network.
A sports car with a 200 mile real-world cruising range would be barely usable to go anywhere for a good drive. You'd probably burn throught the battery in about 50-75 miles of hard driving. Pretty useless and very unappealing, if you ask me.
Which is why the Hot Hatch scenario is more interesting.
With current technology, if you want a 500 mile range and that when worked hard, you are probably looking at a 150 to 200kWh battery ... how much do you think that will weigh ? Exit sports car ....
ChrisW. said:
With current technology, if you want a 500 mile range and that when worked hard, you are probably looking at a 150 to 200kWh battery ... how much do you think that will weigh ? Exit sports car ....
There are EVs available today with 500 mile cruising ranges from battery a little over 100kWh. You wouldn't need 200 kWh for that. And I wasn't saying 500 miles of absolutely ragging it all the time range. That's not remotely realistic with any imaginable technology.
I think the 718 EV is just a little too early re available battery tech to really work right now. But if solid state finally comes good, you could have a sports car with a 100-and-a-bit kWh battery that might not be ridiculously heavy.
The new BMW iX3 is 108kWh, 500 miles WLTP and 2,300kg. For a smaller, lighter car you wouldn't need quite so much battery capacity for the same range. Factor in solid state tech and it might all be doable at around 1,750kg in a few years. Still a pretty fat by pure sports car standard, I grant. But not all that much heavier than, say, a current 911 Turbo.
I suspect 15 years from now, 500 miles and 1,500kg might be doable, at which point it's beginning to get interesting. Bit of a wait, of course.
Clad-Hach said:
TrevorHill said:
I have owned every example of the 718 and without doubt my favourite is the 2.5 GTS. It s quicker in everyday driving and for me more chuckable on a country road than a GT4. Yes the GT4 is faster, but only when it gets above 5k rpm.
I also have a deposit on a Cayman EV so make of that what you will
The only thing I can think of is there's something wrong with you..!!!
I thought that too when I bought a Taycan against everyone’s advice. It was an excellent car. Until it wasnt but that’s for another thread.
How many of the 718 range have you owned or driven?
housemouse said:
Swirly said:
F4 actually a great engine, really chuckable and vastly better value than the 4.0. A lot of cash for a different soundtrack but if it s important to you Porsche monetise it perfectly.
There are differences other than sound track, mostly importantly in terms of dynamics. Some of them clearly in favour of the F6, some in favour of the F4. You seem to have overlooked the ones in favour of the F6. So, either that's not great car analysis. Or it's bias.
Ultimately, it's a preference thing. NA verus turbo. Pros and cons. And there's a lot more to it than the sound track.
Umm well I'm in the fortunate position of having owned both so , ' F4 actually a great engine, really chuckable and vastly better value than the 4.0' , the value part of that statement is incorrect but I agree they are a nice thing to drive and the sound is nowhere as bad as people make out if a bit of a drone on the motorway but a naturally aspirated engine is always going to be better than a turbo'ed one
as for 'monetise' things that just part of the pleasure of owning Porsche's
Based on the written word of reviews and online comments, I had dismissed the notion of a F4, until I was left underwhelmed by the F6 in the 981 during some test drives. Having owned turbocharged cars for over twenty five years the lack of torque low down just didn’t sit right with me. Yes, rev it out and all is well, but lower down…
So, I belatedly tried an F4 half thinking I wouldn’t get on with the sound, after all everyone knows it’s awful right? It’s what every review will tell you.
To say I was surprised would be an understatement, it had character and not at all unpleasant to my ears.
One issue is the Soundaktor device that makes itself known when in Sport (& Sport Plus) mode, it creates a dreadful din in the cabin, disabling that by the simple removal of a fuse and you lose the din and can hear the exhaust without its interference. The exhaust note in Sport mode being different due to altered cam timing in that mode.
Petrol Cayman vs EV version of the same car. Which would sell more do we think ? (Current petrol prices a given..)
I can just sense the vitriol if the eco loons in the EV forums ever find out lol.. 24/7 posting pro EV nonsense must be very poorly paid.
Early-bird said:
Petrol Cayman vs EV version of the same car. Which would sell more do we think ? (Current petrol prices a given..)
I can just sense the vitriol if the eco loons in the EV forums ever find out lol.. 24/7 posting pro EV nonsense must be very poorly paid.
Wouldn’t even consider a 718 EV don’t think many would, hence the backtracking from Porsche.
TrevorHill said:
Clad-Hach said:
TrevorHill said:
I have owned every example of the 718 and without doubt my favourite is the 2.5 GTS. It s quicker in everyday driving and for me more chuckable on a country road than a GT4. Yes the GT4 is faster, but only when it gets above 5k rpm.
I also have a deposit on a Cayman EV so make of that what you will
The only thing I can think of is there's something wrong with you..!!!
I thought that too when I bought a Taycan against everyone s advice. It was an excellent car. Until it wasnt but that s for another thread.
How many of the 718 range have you owned or driven?
I've driven one F4 PDK for a whole day...take the engine out of the conversation for a minute and the 718 ticks all the boxes, its a beautiful modern two seater sports car from one of the top car brands in the world what's not to like. Bring the engine back in...its laggy power delivery was atrocious, off boost and just when you wanted the car to take off it dropped gears and dropped gears and dropped gears, it became very tedious and unpleasent to drive the polar opposite of a nice sounding torquey 3.4 F6 engine.
As for owning an F4 hell would freeze over first.
Clad-Hach said:
polar opposite of a torquey 3.4 F6 engine.
That comment would seem to suggest you've not actually driven one. The one universally agreed positive about the turbo engines is you do get a lot of torque, and that torque is accessible much earlier in the rev range vs a naturally aspirated engine.
TDT said:
No official new news or update, but a good summary of what going on.
I don` t like the black A pillar, and how its connected to the roof, its like the roof is opening up like a can.
Ther`s no flow to it.
Early-bird said:
Clad-Hach said:
polar opposite of a torquey 3.4 F6 engine.
That comment would seem to suggest you've not actually driven one. The one universally agreed positive about the turbo engines is you do get a lot of torque, and that torque is accessible much earlier in the rev range vs a naturally aspirated engine.
Had a 981 CS for 6 years and the one thing I thought it lacked was torque. Very noticeable on an alpine pass with two adults and the car fully loaded.
Clad-Hach said:
TrevorHill said:
Clad-Hach said:
TrevorHill said:
I have owned every example of the 718 and without doubt my favourite is the 2.5 GTS. It s quicker in everyday driving and for me more chuckable on a country road than a GT4. Yes the GT4 is faster, but only when it gets above 5k rpm.
I also have a deposit on a Cayman EV so make of that what you will
The only thing I can think of is there's something wrong with you..!!!
I thought that too when I bought a Taycan against everyone s advice. It was an excellent car. Until it wasnt but that s for another thread.
How many of the 718 range have you owned or driven?
I've driven one F4 PDK for a whole day...take the engine out of the conversation for a minute and the 718 ticks all the boxes, its a beautiful modern two seater sports car from one of the top car brands in the world what's not to like. Bring the engine back in...its laggy power delivery was atrocious, off boost and just when you wanted the car to take off it dropped gears and dropped gears and dropped gears, it became very tedious and unpleasent to drive the polar opposite of a nice sounding torquey 3.4 F6 engine.
As for owning an F4 hell would freeze over first.
Never driven one, but I would not have that issue as I drive all my cars in manual mode - so I would shift down before I want to accelerate hard.
alltalk said:
Had a 981 gts, lack of torque was reason sold it, sure sounded great when reving but trying to make easy progress was just too much effort.
No car is perfect but overall they tick more boxes than most, hence the sort of money they still sell for.
Out of interest what did you replace it with that is better?
MDL111 said:
I would not have that issue as I drive all my cars in manual mode - so I would shift down before I want to accelerate hard.
When driven in auto most cars will give a manual downshift at the touch of a paddle in any event, then upshift at the ideal rpm and revert to auto after a few seconds. IMO if you want to drive manual then buy an excellent manual from one of the few sports car makers who still offer them.
My own experience of trying to manual shift all the time in a modern multi-speed auto is the gears are so close and so many that you never know where you are. Porsche PDK is spectacularly good at rapid gear shuffling to mask possible torque deficiency of the smaller-engined cars. If there's any criticism IMO it's around behaviour of PDK at very low speeds where a torque converter can be smoother.
TDT said:
No official new news or update, but a good summary of what going on.
images look AI generated to me. text on tyres is off and brakes are in the wrong place for starters
plus it doesn't really look like a Porsche
not bad looking though...
JasonSteel said:
images look AI generated to me. text on tyres is off and brakes are in the wrong place for starters
plus it doesn't really look like a Porsche
not bad looking though...
It's definitely not the 718 EV. There are loads of images of the actual car out in the wild being developed / tested and it's clear from several hard points that those renders are not the actual car. But I agree the renders aren't bad looking. Probably better than the real thing!
housemouse said:
It's definitely not the 718 EV.!
The new car won’t be as 718. (Maybe my cognitive decline is getting worse and I’m missing something.)
Anyway I’m still all in on the EV Cayman, they might want to get their sh*t together if I’m to drive it but Ive been looking forward to this car for some time.
However they brand it, the car in those renders is not the car Porsche has tooled up.
That's this car and, most obviously, it has an entirely conventional sweeping A-pillar:
It does not have the sharp angle that enables the floating roof of the renders. We won't know for sure until whatever Porsche launches comes out, but I very much doubt that the reversion to an ICE model will mean a whole new shell, espeically given it's obvious enough that car is based on the 992, which is obviously ICE.
Front half of the car won't have to change much, even internally and the changes at the rear will likely be mostly internal, plus maybe a few cosmetic tweaks all round to freshen the whole thing up, reflecting the fact that it's meant to have been on sale by now and the design will be a bit old by the time it actually hits the market.
housemouse said:
However they brand it, the car in those renders is not the car Porsche has tooled up.
That's this car and, most obviously, it has an entirely conventional sweeping A-pillar:
It does not have the sharp angle that enables the floating roof of the renders. We won't know for sure until whatever Porsche launches comes out, but I very much doubt that the reversion to an ICE model will mean a whole new shell, espeically given it's obvious enough that car is based on the 992, which is obviously ICE.
Front half of the car won't have to change much, even internally and the changes at the rear will likely be mostly internal, plus maybe a few cosmetic tweaks all round to freshen the whole thing up, reflecting the fact that it's meant to have been on sale by now and the design will be a bit old by the time it actually hits the market.
I get its work in progress but that has all the makings of a truly ugly car.
Jones the cat said:
I get its work in progress but that has all the makings of a truly ugly car.
Maybe it will look better when the (hopefully) fake cladding is removed.
housemouse said:
It's definitely not the 718 EV. There are loads of images of the actual car out in the wild being developed / tested and it's clear from several hard points that those renders are not the actual car. But I agree the renders aren't bad looking. Probably better than the real thing!
hmmm, i'd not seen any recent images of the real thing... i don't think the images you posted and the renders are miles apart
the renders could be a GT version for example?
Edited by JasonSteel on Wednesday 25th March 12:30
as7920 said:
Is this a new one? Not just the old one with EV headlights, 992.2 GTS aero apron with fins and the awful 992.2 base Carrera and T wheels.
No, it's new. You can see the 992 bonnet, and the interior has a full 992-based dash and 992 door cards. It'll be a fair bit bigger than the 981/2.
JasonSteel said:
hmmm, i'd not seen any recent images of the real thing... i don't think the images you posted and the renders are miles apart
the renders could be a GT version for example?
Look again, they are miles apart. Look at the sweep of the A-pillar and door glass on the actual car versus the sharp angle where the A-pillar meets the roof on the render.
Also note the size / length of the gap between the base of the A-pillar on the render and the rear of the front wheel arch. That's one of thos serious hard points that won't change unless the platform is different.
There are lots of other strong indicators that the render is a non-Porsche render and very different from the (quite late stage) dev cars snapped out in the wild.
housemouse said:
Look again, they are miles apart. Look at the sweep of the A-pillar and door glass on the actual car versus the sharp angle where the A-pillar meets the roof on the render.
Also note the size / length of the gap between the base of the A-pillar on the render and the rear of the front wheel arch. That's one of thos serious hard points that won't change unless the platform is different.
There are lots of other strong indicators that the render is a non-Porsche render and very different from the (quite late stage) dev cars snapped out in the wild.
still think the A-pillar looks about the same if you take into consideration the one view is side on while the other is almost side on but quite a bit higher up
agree the wheel arches on the renders are tight, especially at the bottom of the car
still though, looking at the 'GT' car in this article there are again many similarities with the render, including the different door/side vent shape
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/next-g...
JasonSteel said:
still think the A-pillar looks about the same if you take into consideration the one view is side on while the other is almost side on but quite a bit higher up
It absolutely doesn't. You can't be looking at the same images. The actual car has a continuous sweep between the pillar and the roof, the render has the pillar and roof as separate arcs joined as an angle.
JasonSteel said:
still though, looking at the 'GT' car in this article there are again many similarities with the render, including the different door/side vent shape
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/next-g...
Those are Autocar renders and miles off reality.
That rendering is a mix of the Mission R and current styling cues.
What fascinated me was Harry Metcalfe's summary and his understanding that this (718)EV was due to kill the 911 ?!
You wouldn't have a rear engine or mid engine EV Sports car, you'd just have the one skateboard jobby....and even Porsche's badge engineering and marketing dept would struggle with that!
but the legislation roll out, and public appetite has put the kibosh on that, and the old girl will live on with an ever expanding and upmarket tranche of model designations... alledge'
Quickmoose said:
That rendering is a mix of the Mission R and current styling cues.
What fascinated me was Harry Metcalfe's summary and his understanding that this (718)EV was due to kill the 911 ?!
You wouldn't have a rear engine or mid engine EV Sports car, you'd just have the one skateboard jobby....and even Porsche's badge engineering and marketing dept would struggle with that!
but the legislation roll out, and public appetite has put the kibosh on that, and the old girl will live on with an ever expanding and upmarket tranche of model designations... alledge'
If that's what he said, he's got completely the wrong idea because the one thing we know for sure and that Porsche has said publicly is that the 718 EV is not a skateboard car. The battery is a big lump where the combustion engine used to be, just like the upcoming Alpine.
TrevorHill said:
Any news on a release date yet? Been offered an excellent deal on a newer Taycan but I m holding out for the Cayman.
I'd imagine its a good 6 months to a year out. I think I saw a leaked internal slide that said 2027.
No one knows.
Last I read Porsche had canned the project given the potential sales, range and projected cost, but then they have stepped back slightly saying lower models would be full EV and high-end GT cars would either be hybrid or ICE.
Nothing confirmed yet on timelines or drivetrain, I suspect we will see pure EV before we see anything else as Porsche had pretty much got that platform up and running before they put the brakes on things.
Personally being a fan of the Boxster/Cayman platform and current owner I doubt I'd ever upgrade now to an EV only variant or even a hybrid, plus the images currently going round of test mules just don't make me want to get my cheque book out.
I guess time will tell if Porsche have got it right or not.
718 EV dev cars have been photographed in the US in the last week or so. I can't imagine they'd be shipping cars like that over to the US if they'd totally cancelled the EV.
Still think they've gone a bit early with it and it needs to wait for solid state or whatever battery chemistry gives the next big step on power density to really work. Current battery tech is just too heavy for a two-seat sports car. Well, for a two seat sports car that majors on world-class dynamics.
The new car was relying on a special battery that was to be made by Northvolt. When they went under, taking a chunk of investment from Porsche with them, it set back the plan for the car massively.
I’ve not read anything about where the battery will now come from.
Rimac were involved with the new battery and with other developments on the car. Not sure how things have changed since Porsche divested in Bugatti/Rimac.
Be good to know one way or the other though.
I think they'll probably still do it. Audi has basically said they're going to do the production version of the Concept C, which is derived from the 718 EV, whatever the fate of the 718 EV.
If that's going ahead, the added cost of homologating the 718 version won't be much in the broad scheme if all the core engineering including a new battery is being done for the Audi anyway. Well, unless the performance and dynamics are really miles off target.
Drive a Renault 5 EV and you’ll quickly appreciate that there’s room out there for a fast and fun type of car. That car is fantastic on country roads.
The future is EV - Porsche has a chance to steal a march on the competition, but it’ll all come down to price, battery range etc. The rest will take care of itself.
Mar5hall said:
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S
Starting MSRP: $91,000 est.
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Starting MSRP: $105,000 est.
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I assume every word of this is just conjecture as Porsche haven’t released any specific info re a 718 EV.
The new car was relying on a special battery that was to be made by Northvolt. When they went under, taking a chunk of investment from Porsche with them, it set back the plan for the car massively.
I’ve not read anything about where the battery will now come from.
Mar5hall said:
The estimated electric driving range for the 2027 Porsche 718 EV is over 250 miles on a full charge.
Is this real or AI generated? There’s no mention of battery size. At 250 miles it puts it firmly in the 77 kWh battery bracket for the dual motor, real world will return 150–200 miles of frugal driving, drastically cut that back if you’re going quick.
maz8062 said:
Drive a Renault 5 EV and you ll quickly appreciate that there s room out there for a fast and fun type of car. That car is fantastic on country roads.
The future is EV - Porsche has a chance to steal a march on the competition, but it ll all come down to price, battery range etc. The rest will take care of itself.
I think it has roundly been reviewed as falling short of being a hot hatch (and that’s the Alpine model). It s nice and does indeed offer something a bit more fun in the EV world, but I don t think any EV is out there that is genuinely described as a drivers car.
I struggle to see the enthusiast market for an EV Boxster/Cayman and I am simply not interested in such a car. If it is the Box/Cay offering then I m afraid I see that model line as dead with the brand.
Having just had some great drives in my 987 Spyder on lovely flowing twisty roads in France, I can only see negatives with an EV model. The bloat would be evident on those roads and the lack of intake/engine/exhaust sound would be detrimental to the experience.
It s not digging my heels on for the sake of it. I just know I would hate such a car.
Edited by LM240 on Tuesday 16th June 10:01
LM240 said:
I think it has roundly been reviewed as falling short of being a hot hatch (and that s the Alpine model). It s nice and does indeed offer something a bit more fun in the EV world, but I don t think any EV is out there that is genuinely described as a drivers car.
I struggle to see the enthusiast market for an EV Boxster/Cayman and I am simply not interested in such a car. If it is the Box/Cay offering then I m afraid I see that model line as dead with the brand.
Having just had some great drives in my 987 Spyder on lovely flowing twisty roads in France, I can only see negatives with an EV model. The bloat would be evident on those roads and the lack of intake/engine/exhaust sound would be detrimental to the experience.
It s not digging my heels on for the sake of it. I just know I would hate such a car.
Edited by LM240 on Tuesday 16th June 10:01
I agree, I have zero interest in an EV Cayman/Boxster, but.... lots of people will, I see a lot of base Cayman/Boxsters compared to a few years ago, lease deals/PCP etc brings in quite a few people who want to say they have a Porsche and why not, so they will sell but I doubt they'll sell anywhere near the numbers of their ICE equivalents given current UK charging infrastructure anyways.
LM240 said:
maz8062 said:
I struggle to see the enthusiast market for an EV Boxster/Cayman and I am simply not interested in such a car. If it is the Box/Cay offering then I m afraid I see that model line as dead with the brand.
Having just had some great drives in my 987 Spyder on lovely flowing twisty roads in France, I can only see negatives with an EV model. The bloat would be evident on those roads and the lack of intake/engine/exhaust sound would be detrimental to the experience.
It s not digging my heels on for the sake of it. I just know I would hate such a car.
30 years ago, almost every enthusiast looking at a sports car would have said the same about automatic gearboxes, electrically assisted power steering, turbo chargers, weight over 1200kg, four wheel drive, super-wide high-grip tyres, etc...
The above is just the quantifiable stuff. Then we get into the qualitative stuff, like being able to work the car up through several gears, timing the change perfectly at the red line each time, before braking with a heel+toe down changing into the next bend, all while staying vaguely under the speed limit.
All of the above has already gone in the bin. No Porsche buyer has been buying the above for decades.
The noise and
characterful
flawed power delivery if an ICE really are the runts of the litter when it comes to what makes a sports car a sports car.
A Boxtser EV, just like the last few generations of ICE Boxster, fill the same market as an Audi TT, BMX Z4, or a Merc SLK. They're feel-good cars that will often be used for the commute while the big SUV is on family duties at the weekend.
P40L VX said:
Is this real or AI generated? There s no mention of battery size. At 250 miles it puts it firmly in the 77 kWh battery bracket for the dual motor, real world will return 150 200 miles of frugal driving, drastically cut that back if you re going quick.
Nothing official yet, but I suspect it won't be far off if the car comes out any time soon.
As you say, the "fun" range will be very limited and, personally, I think range is even more important on a fun EV than a daily EV. You want to be able to drive somewhere interesting, have some fun and get back. Honestly, I'd want minimum 500 miles of claimed range on this type of car, which would probably give you an operating radius of 100 miles.
100 miles out, 50 miles of ragging it, and 100 miles back.
250 miles claimed range would mean you have almost no operating radius. 25 miles out, 50 miles ragging it, and 25 miles back would probably be it. Which in practice means just popping out for a fun local drive and that's it. To go anywhere and have fun you'd need to be scheduling / planning public charging which is a total bore and disticntly over priced.
alock said:
The noise and
characterful
flawed power delivery if an ICE really are the runts of the litter when it comes to what makes a sports car a sports car..
That's one bit I'd disagree with. Noise is super important. It's the main reason I don't own an Elise.
And the power delivery of a good ICE engine is a major plus. EVs have fab throttle response, but the power delivery is not a plus. You get everything immediately then it just tails off from there. The longer you keep your foot in, the less exciting it gets. It's crap.
Good ICE is the opposite. Power builds in a given gear, arriving at an exciting crescendo at the top of the gear, then you get to. do it all again. Ideally accompanied by a great sound track. It's great.
These cars are about enjoyment and, personally, I think those aspects add a lot to enjoyment. Which isn't to say an EV can't be fun. But I do think those aspects are important parts of what makes a good sports car. So, I think you can probably make a very good Elise-style sports car via EV once the batteries are light, one all about the chassis and steering.
But a sports car with not just a great chassis and steering but also a great ICE powertrain is even more richly enjoyable and rewarding.
housemouse said:
That's one bit I'd disagree with. Noise is super important. It's the main reason I don't own an Elise.
And the power delivery of a good ICE engine is a major plus. EVs have fab throttle response, but the power delivery is not a plus. You get everything immediately then it just tails off from there. The longer you keep your foot in, the less exciting it gets. It's crap.
Good ICE is the opposite. Power builds in a given gear, arriving at an exciting crescendo at the top of the gear, then you get to. do it all again. Ideally accompanied by a great sound track. It's great.
These cars are about enjoyment and, personally, I think those aspects add a lot to enjoyment. Which isn't to say an EV can't be fun. But I do think those aspects are important parts of what makes a good sports car. So, I think you can probably make a very good Elise-style sports car via EV once the batteries are light, one all about the chassis and steering.
But a sports car with not just a great chassis and steering but also a great ICE powertrain is even more richly enjoyable and rewarding.
It's also the reason I don't have an Alpine - I couldn't face spending that much for a 4-pot and no manual. Yes, great handling etc but an engine is important to me, and I wanted a 6-pot at least.
We have a Tesla, but I'll never buy an EV sports car
john_1983 said:
housemouse said:
That's one bit I'd disagree with. Noise is super important. It's the main reason I don't own an Elise.
And the power delivery of a good ICE engine is a major plus. EVs have fab throttle response, but the power delivery is not a plus. You get everything immediately then it just tails off from there. The longer you keep your foot in, the less exciting it gets. It's crap.
Good ICE is the opposite. Power builds in a given gear, arriving at an exciting crescendo at the top of the gear, then you get to. do it all again. Ideally accompanied by a great sound track. It's great.
These cars are about enjoyment and, personally, I think those aspects add a lot to enjoyment. Which isn't to say an EV can't be fun. But I do think those aspects are important parts of what makes a good sports car. So, I think you can probably make a very good Elise-style sports car via EV once the batteries are light, one all about the chassis and steering.
But a sports car with not just a great chassis and steering but also a great ICE powertrain is even more richly enjoyable and rewarding.
It's also the reason I don't have an Alpine - I couldn't face spending that much for a 4-pot and no manual. Yes, great handling etc but an engine is important to me, and I wanted a 6-pot at least.
We have a Tesla, but I'll never buy an EV sports car
I loved my Elise S2 and with sports exhaust it was pretty nice.
However, I did step away from Lotus because I didn’t know what direction it was going back then. I nearly went down the Exige S2 route.
The engine was always a niggle in my head. It did lack a bit of pedigree.
The pull towards Porsche started.
My recent drives were very much added to by the presence of the engine sound and exhaust. And for me the manual gearbox. Heel and toe into a set of bends, yes please.
An EV is a great car in the right situation and certain roles. (Though having had a Tesla hire car on holiday, what a soulless horrible car. More like driving an appliance). A EV sports car is a definite no from me. I honestly couldn’t imagine anything worse.
The E-Shift simulated gearbox with "engine noise" available on the Taycan might make the 718EV more acceptable to Petrolheads and perhaps should be fitted as standard.
If it used the sound of the 6, especially with "PSE" sound as standard (just a few more lines of programming), then so much the better.
See the PH Review of the 2026 Porsche Taycan E-Shift
here
Edited by CanAm on Thursday 25th June 06:51
CanAm said:
The E-Shift simulated gearbox with "engine noise" available on the Taycan might make the 718EV more acceptable to Petrolheads and perhaps should be fitted as standard.
If it used the sound of the 6, especially with "PSE" sound as standard (just a few more lines of programming), then so much the better.
See the PH Review of the 2026 Porsche Taycan E-Shift
here
Seems utterly pointless to me, the first response to the link above is on the money, “ Isn't this a bit like adding a steam generator to a diesel loco ?”
TrevorHill said:
CanAm said:
The E-Shift simulated gearbox with "engine noise" available on the Taycan might make the 718EV more acceptable to Petrolheads and perhaps should be fitted as standard.
If it used the sound of the 6, especially with "PSE" sound as standard (just a few more lines of programming), then so much the better.
See the PH Review of the 2026 Porsche Taycan E-Shift
here
Seems utterly pointless to me, the first response to the link above is on the money, Isn't this a bit like adding a steam generator to a diesel loco ?
On a Taycan, I'd agree, but on another thread a PHer admits that the 718 4s are better engines with more torque and accessible power, but he'll stick to his 6 purely because of the sound. I'd imagine that the same owner would be even less impressed with the sound of a 718 EV, and might prefer the artificial engine sound of the E-Shift.
TrevorHill said:
Seems utterly pointless to me, the first response to the link above is on the money, Isn't this a bit like adding a steam generator to a diesel loco ?
The point is to make the car more enjoyable to drive.
It does that for at least some people. Is this really so hard to understand?
housemouse said:
TrevorHill said:
Seems utterly pointless to me, the first response to the link above is on the money, Isn't this a bit like adding a steam generator to a diesel loco ?
The point is to make the car more enjoyable to drive.
It does that for at least some people. Is this really so hard to understand?
I suppose different strokes for different folks. For me it’s about power delivery and handling, sound doesn’t really matter to me. If fake sound helps Porsche shift more vehicles then who am I to argue?
TrevorHill said:
housemouse said:
TrevorHill said:
Seems utterly pointless to me, the first response to the link above is on the money, Isn't this a bit like adding a steam generator to a diesel loco ?
The point is to make the car more enjoyable to drive.
It does that for at least some people. Is this really so hard to understand?
I suppose different strokes for different folks. For me it s about power delivery and handling, sound doesn t really matter to me. If fake sound helps Porsche shift more vehicles then who am I to argue?
You're probably not of an age where lads used to put a bit of card against the spokes on their bikes just to make a bit of noise.
Perhaps this is one of those ‘don’t knock it ‘til you’ve tried it” situations?
I recently had an drive in an Ioniq 5N. As an avowed petrolhead, I have to admit - I was mighty impressed by the trickery.
If Porsche is seeking to make my driving experience more enjoyable…when that fateful EV collection day eventually occurs….then more power to them.
CanAm said:
TrevorHill said:
housemouse said:
TrevorHill said:
Seems utterly pointless to me, the first response to the link above is on the money, Isn't this a bit like adding a steam generator to a diesel loco ?
The point is to make the car more enjoyable to drive.
It does that for at least some people. Is this really so hard to understand?
I suppose different strokes for different folks. For me it s about power delivery and handling, sound doesn t really matter to me. If fake sound helps Porsche shift more vehicles then who am I to argue?
You're probably not of an age where lads used to put a bit of card against the spokes on their bikes just to make a bit of noise.
We used lollipop sticks, I’m that old. Luckily I was probably too young to own a Raleigh Chopper, proper death trap when they had the inevitable speed wobble.
TrevorHill said:
For me it's about power delivery and handling, sound doesn't really matter to me. If fake sound helps Porsche shift more vehicles then who am I to argue?
Never forget that in the minds of many drivers, and especially bikers, the more noise they're making the faster they must be going.
Panamax said:
Never forget that in the minds of many drivers, and especially bikers, the more noise they're making the faster they must be going.
Tell me about it, we live on a nice coastal road, you usually get a few Sunday morning bikers but the recent good weather has brought all sort out. Very few of them can live with a GT4 on the twisties
TrevorHill said:
CanAm said:
TrevorHill said:
housemouse said:
TrevorHill said:
Seems utterly pointless to me, the first response to the link above is on the money, Isn't this a bit like adding a steam generator to a diesel loco ?
The point is to make the car more enjoyable to drive.
It does that for at least some people. Is this really so hard to understand?
I suppose different strokes for different folks. For me it s about power delivery and handling, sound doesn t really matter to me. If fake sound helps Porsche shift more vehicles then who am I to argue?
You're probably not of an age where lads used to put a bit of card against the spokes on their bikes just to make a bit of noise.
We used lollipop sticks, I m that old. Luckily I was probably too young to own a Raleigh Chopper, proper death trap when they had the inevitable speed wobble.
On the other hand, I was too old to own a Raleigh Chopper.
kmpowell said:
Porsche CEO confirms the electric 718 is happening...
https://www.autonext.co/news/porsche-718-electric-...
I just broke the news as gently as I could to Mrs Hill that I’m buying a GT4RS and she did eventually calm down. And now I have to tell her that I’m not getting my deposit back on the Cayman EV
Check rip.ie if I go dark
TrevorHill said:
I just broke the news as gently as I could to Mrs Hill that I m buying a GT4RS and she did eventually calm down. And now I have to tell her that I m not getting my deposit back on the Cayman EV
Check rip.ie if I go dark
Deposits are non refundable on a model that doesn't exist?
As far as I can tell, MG are the only car maker with an affordable EV sports car with the Cyberster. Cost, for the cooking model is £60k which will do 0-60 in 3.4 secs. The car looks good and has suicide doors.
A Boxster and Cayman will sell for sure, but it’ll have to be affordable.
Jones the cat said:
TrevorHill said:
I just broke the news as gently as I could to Mrs Hill that I m buying a GT4RS and she did eventually calm down. And now I have to tell her that I m not getting my deposit back on the Cayman EV
Check rip.ie if I go dark
Deposits are non refundable on a model that doesn't exist?
The wife doesn’t know that
I put a deposit down on the Cayman EV a while back. I can’t remember the exact amount, I think it was somewhere around £3/5k. I can’t remember the exact terminology either, but it’s basically a letter-of-intent-type agreement rather than a firm purchase contract.
I possibly didn’t word my previous reply very well. I have some cognitive issues which can sometimes make it difficult for me to properly express what I mean, even when I know exactly what I’m trying to say.
Not sure why they’re bothering now the net zero insanity is finally being rowed back as unworkable. Not a huge surprise…
https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/miatt...
“ Labour looks to row back on net zero targets
Rules on electric car sales may be watered down”
Gee what a total shock..
TrevorHill said:
The wife doesn t know that
I put a deposit down on the Cayman EV a while back. I can t remember the exact amount, I think it was somewhere around £3/5k. I can t remember the exact terminology either, but it s basically a letter-of-intent-type agreement rather than a firm purchase contract.
I possibly didn t word my previous reply very well. I have some cognitive issues which can sometimes make it difficult for me to properly express what I mean, even when I know exactly what I m trying to say.
Why on earth would you pay a deposit in advance for a car that will be discounted when it's released.
DMC2 said:
TrevorHill said:
The wife doesn t know that
I put a deposit down on the Cayman EV a while back. I can t remember the exact amount, I think it was somewhere around £3/5k. I can t remember the exact terminology either, but it s basically a letter-of-intent-type agreement rather than a firm purchase contract.
I possibly didn t word my previous reply very well. I have some cognitive issues which can sometimes make it difficult for me to properly express what I mean, even when I know exactly what I m trying to say.
Why on earth would you pay a deposit in advance for a car that will be discounted when it's released.
You are a human wet blanket.
Jones the cat said:
Latest spy pics
https://www.hagerty.com/media/news/2027-porsche-bo...
Is it me or is that just fkn horrible? Fat chin, ugly Taycan headlights recycled, and the worse part of the 981, I.e. the arse? No comment on power plant cos could be ice as well as EV…
718 and 981s in their time were at least good looking cars?
twynham781 said:
Is it me or is that just fkn horrible? Fat chin, ugly Taycan headlights recycled, and the worse part of the 981, I.e. the arse? No comment on power plant cos could be ice as well as EV
718 and 981s in their time were at least good looking cars?
I hope that nose is just a temporary disguise.
There are some interesting sporty cars ... I really hope that this is one. Many drivers are having fun over local distances and can charge at home (hence increasing interest) ... and the charge network gets better and better.
What would you say if the car came with a five year warranty, 20 year extendable and £750 every two years to service ??
twynham781 said:
Jones the cat said:
Latest spy pics
https://www.hagerty.com/media/news/2027-porsche-bo...
Is it me or is that just fkn horrible? Fat chin, ugly Taycan headlights recycled, and the worse part of the 981, I.e. the arse? No comment on power plant cos could be ice as well as EV
718 and 981s in their time were at least good looking cars?
I like the 981 back end (obvs) but it’s worse than that…. It has the 992 rear end…fat with slim featureless lights.
It has the worst of the Taycan - headlights
And worst of 992 GTS static vertical gills…
Not sure yet if has side intakes for cooling…. The sticker suggests not, the battery placement suggests it might be a good idea still
No one seems to want EV hyper-cars.
So far there isn’t anything that hints at being an engaging (drivers car) EV sports car.
Would love to know where Porsche thinks substantial demand for an EV sports car is going to come from.
I remain completely uninterested in an EV Boxster. I wouldn’t even be curious enough to test drive one.
I know it will not or ever be the sports car I want it to be.
Why is it that one of the must haves on the Porsche options list has always been a PSE if the noise a sports car makes doesn’t matter?
I wonder how many EVs would be selling if the price of fuel hadn’t gone through the roof, just to help their uptake.
I find it interesting that there is this fixation on noise...
I live in Switzerland, near Gstaad, and I have really quite nice driving roads just on my doorstep. However, I almost never go out. I have a GT4RS, and I'm really conscious of the amount of noise this makes when you really use it. I get to experience that noise also on the receiving end as there are a *lot* of motorbikes and sports cars here on week-ends, and when you live here that can get really annoying.
I for one would quite like a car where I can enjoy the driving dynamics without causing to much noise disturbance.
And it's not like I don't enjoy my existing car - I'm going to Spa tomorrow for two days....
981Boxess said:
I wonder how many EVs would be selling if the price of fuel hadn t gone through the roof, just to help their uptake.
Its all part of the Net Zero nonsense that is crippling the West's industries, pushing up energy costs, forced mass migration, its all part of a master plan to bankrupt the West's economies to the point where we will be unable to defend ourselves...there are very bad people out there who don't like us.
Clad-Hach said:
Its all part of the Net Zero nonsense that is crippling the West's industries, pushing up energy costs, forced mass migration, its all part of a master plan to bankrupt the West's economies to the point where we will be unable to defend ourselves...there are very bad people out there who don't like us.
Rarely have I ever read a more pathetic, idiotic post on a social media site. And that’s up against some incredibly stiff competition.
Clad-Hach said:
981Boxess said:
I wonder how many EVs would be selling if the price of fuel hadn t gone through the roof, just to help their uptake.
Its all part of the Net Zero nonsense that is crippling the West's industries, pushing up energy costs, forced mass migration, its all part of a master plan to bankrupt the West's economies to the point where we will be unable to defend ourselves...there are very bad people out there who don't like us.
It is surprising they would directly legislate to cause significant damage to their economies. Until you consider all the nonsense ice bans will get indefinitely extended or dropped entirely once the reality starts to bite as we’re now seeing take place. Manufacturers would do well to hedge their bets rather than going all in on a technology nobody wants…
I'm on the fence at the minute.
Just to point out the side intake is a sticker. You can tell as it's reflecting the trees the sale as the bodywork around it.
Stark999 said:
Well I m def interested. I have a DB12 Volante and a M4 Competition cab - so a convertible sports car and not spending a £1000 on month on fuel, seriously makes me want to consider an EV cab. Short of a Fiat 500 or Smart Cab, MG - there are no other options
Stark999 said:
Well I m def interested. I have a DB12 Volante and a M4 Competition cab - so a convertible sports car and not spending a £1000 on month on fuel, seriously makes me want to consider an EV cab. Short of a Fiat 500 or Smart Cab - there are no other options
get one of the last 2.0 MX5's ....they are peaches
I think the other potentially massive problem this car will have is pricing. Porsche have of late shown themselves to be very greedy with their pricing strategy. I doubt they will be able to resist sticking this car on sale at a high price (as they did with the EV Macan when it came out).
finmac said:
I think the other potentially massive problem this car will have is pricing. Porsche have of late shown themselves to be very greedy with their pricing strategy. I doubt they will be able to resist sticking this car on sale at a high price (as they did with the EV Macan when it came out).
£100 k more/less?
Oh dear, that didn't come out well for MG.
But if this Chinese built thing is almost £60k, the new Porsche is probalby going to be £80k at best, if we're lucky. And when the base 718 was arounf £53k when production stopped, that's rather a hike.
TrevorHill said:
CanAm said:
The E-Shift simulated gearbox with "engine noise" available on the Taycan might make the 718EV more acceptable to Petrolheads and perhaps should be fitted as standard.
If it used the sound of the 6, especially with "PSE" sound as standard (just a few more lines of programming), then so much the better.
See the PH Review of the 2026 Porsche Taycan E-Shift
here
Seems utterly pointless to me, the first response to the link above is on the money, Isn't this a bit like adding a steam generator to a diesel loco ?
The way Hyundai have implemented it is brilliant. You have to work with the in gear torque curve and it’s just fun. It mean you have a car with two characters. Mental fast, linear, smooth ev, or having to think about gear choice, revs etc, just like a performance ICE.
I think it must be age on my part but I have no interest in any EV beyond the smallest possible city car. I do have some Porsches the oldest of which is 19 but I will only buy non-hybrid n/a cars when it comes to 911s -not the most powerful but they work for me. This one is horrible anyway.
The write ups are encouraging to a degree.
Great engineers doing great engineering.
The look, the weight, the market readiness, the fake-ness - these remain BIG concerns.
But hey, we're going that way ok...like it or not.... that's the way we're going. Suck it up butter cups.
Quickmoose said:
The write ups are encouraging to a degree.
Great engineers doing great engineering.
The look, the weight, the market readiness, the fake-ness - these remain BIG concerns.
But hey, we're going that way ok...like it or not.... that's the way we're going. Suck it up butter cups.
Am most interested in the kind of real world range it'll have when driven enthusiastically, as fast chargers aren't in abundance around the better often remote roads in Wales and Scotland
Sports cars are meant to be driven enthusiastically, think I averaged 9mpg on a track day once so will be interesting indeed to see "real world" enthusiastic driving range. Last Taycan I had averaged 1.6 mi/kwh when I was driving it which is pretty terrible. This will unquestionably need a big battery which of course will add weight- I have read some crazy comments on here about a low centre of gravity offsetting the extra weight which it obviously won't.
I do like the way the picture above has retained the exhaust pipe though. Are we expecting one on the main car? At least it leaves the door open for the ICE versions...
That was an interesting chat to be sure, but it had relevance.
Weight is the enemy - end of.
but/however
if all that weight was in front of the front axle - it would perform one way, if it were all behind the rear axle, it'd perform a different way, all in the middle underneath everything, another and here we have it all in a taller lump behind the seats, in the middle...like its ICE equivalent...
Its interesting and useful, as if all EVs are skateboards they'll all handle largely the same...
So all things being equal you're replacing the weight of an ICE powerplant with the weight of an E one....so handling/balance differences (character?) are retained..... only now, currently (lol) the E powerplant weighs significantly more.... so yeah its a problem... but a problem that is now being handled in different ways and that's a good thing....cos whilst the skateboard is a very efficient and clever use of the weight.... its increasingly dull and boiling down all the old powertrains and differences into a one size do it all, where your farmer pick up truck handles like the limo and the hyper car...and the town hatchback..... etc
I cannot wait to find out the weight of this (and the Alpine)...
Despite the fact I don't want or will get either
The thing I noticed was the confirmation of no hybrid/ICE variants which could be huge risk and potential damming realisation somewhere down the line.
And Porsche stating that it wants prices up by 20% and production costs down, surely a base EV Boxster is going to be heading towards £80K possibly £100K now, which would just kill it as an entry level sports car. They'd better have some tasty PCP/lease deals ready, I doubt many overweight company directors will look at this compared to a Taycan for the BIK.
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