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Purchased the car in Dec 2020 from a PFA member who completed all the work, turned out to be a fantastic car and lots of fun to drive.
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Fortunately I tried another Porsche shop here in Adelaide (Buik Motorworks with the previous owner) and Craig there took pity on my poverty and helped out a lot, BUT, I couldn't buy the parts, as they would've been unable to warranty them, so I'd be checking on that before you proceed.
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Fortunately I tried another Porsche shop here in Adelaide (Buik Motorworks with the previous owner) and Craig there took pity on my poverty and helped out a lot, BUT, I couldn't buy the parts, as they would've been unable to warranty them, so I'd be checking on that before you proceed.
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Fortunately I tried another Porsche shop here in Adelaide (Buik Motorworks with the previous owner) and Craig there took pity on my poverty and helped out a lot, BUT, I couldn't buy the parts, as they would've been unable to warranty them, so I'd be checking on that before you proceed.
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For example, I have mates running Evo’s & WRX’s, engine builds are 1/3 the cost but need to be done in a 1/4 of the time I’ll get out of my 911 (plus they tend to be temperamental!!!)
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I have no issue with commuting in an electric car, but I think there will still be a place for those of us who want to drive a classic on the weekend, which could easily be made to run on sustainable, eco-friendly fuels.
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From this you deduct wages, transport, overheads, infrastructure and they're running quite small effective margins - which is OK (ish) for a high volume product.
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Looking at getting my m97 3.8 rebuilt in sydney. Has anyone got recent experience with rebuilding and/or recommendations of who to use.
Cars usually serviced by autohaus Hamiltons but have heard good things about autowerks too. Hamilton have said 3-4 to pull down and then everything else is on top of that (and all machining done by a third party).
Happy to hear anyones experience and recommendations.
Thanks - I plan to keep getting the car serviced at Hamiltons but the engine build I’m hoping to hear more about others experiences as it’s such a big investment for the car. I’m guessing you didn’t get a rebuild done?
I’ve used both autohaus and pr. Both great and found no real economic difference.
an engine rebuild is a pretty ‘by the book’ job. Porsche even sets out the hours it takes.
yes, i have had pretty much everything on a few cars rebuilt across both shops, that's why i recommended them. It is normal routine work for both shops just doing an engine rebuild.
They can be quite busy, so you may want to ask when they would be able to get to it.
I wish I could justify the 4L build out but sadly I think it could take away some of the value of the originality.
I will go a bit crazy on a build of an older 911 one day when I can justify both. I find old cars a lot easier to work on. And I can start with a less original base.
Thank you - It’s getting a service at autohaus and some suspension things fixed at the moment so we are discussing options for rebuild. It’s likely I’ll get it done there later this year.
Have you got any insights to share on your experience with engine builds you think it would be good for me to know prior to embarking?
If you want aluminium / Nikasil liners, then you need to send the block to LN in US or Hartec in UK can also do aluminium liners with Nikasil coating, but again you need to send them the block.
Westwood in UK will send iron liners and pistons and there are local machine shops that will fit them.
Choices, choices....
I heard that but Hamiltons are saying they can do the liners here - going to find out more when I pick the car up Wednesday. I did consider getting it removed and sent to hartech but the exchange rate and shipping fees don’t seem to be my friend atm
I wouldn’t let iron liners near it. They said aluminium with nikasil - I’ll come back to you when confirmed. They did talk about machining they block so that’s very similar to the Hartech repair
Although we all may place a different meaning to value - these are never going to be collectable.
A 4.0L is a glorious thing and you'd never want for more....
Having the motor rebuilt makes it arguably, non original (as mentioned above, these car aren’t really collectible). If I ever need a rebuild on my 997C2S I will seriously consider a 4.0. Especially when the cost is significant for a base rebuild
Don’t agree that 997 is not going to be collectible. They used to say that about SCs, then 964s…997 is a key model and will be sought after in decades to come
That said a legit rebuild as a 4.0 is not going to hurt value. Imagine finding a 3.2 with a 3.4 engine .. you’d be happy
Yeah I agree - even if it’s ‘only’ a C4S in twenty years time it’ll only be getting more and more collectible.
If my pistons are toast then I will consider an overbore and 4L conversion but if they’re salvageable then I’ll likely keep it 3.8. Both engine builders were hesitant of saying 4L conversion made much difference. If others have experience with 4L vs 3.8 I’d be happy to hear from them.
I agree on the 4Ltr, But I think all Porka's will be collectable one day look at history, These days you can not even buy a (repairable) wovr car, a few years ago no one would touch them with a barge pole
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Very interesting discussion. I have a 3.4 996 and 3.8 997 CS. If either engine goes kaput, i'll rebuild to a 4.0L, without a doubt.
That being said, my 930 is a 3.4L.
997's, I believe will be desirable although the sought after collectables that are put away as an investment to me are a different thing.
GT3, GT3 RS 3.8, 4.0, Sport classic maybe a Turbo S for example. Don't get me wrong, I'd be deliriously happy having my 997 worth 7 figures in the future.
I think nearly all of them now are well into the 100k for anything reasonably good condition or decent. Not sure how they will fair in the economic downturn though. The cheapest C4S on the market now are north of 150k which does make me wonder what they are actually selling for.
I have a 996.2 C2 with the Hartech enlarged 3.9L engine, engine feels real solid, it has a tonne of torque and revs quickly.
Seat of the pants seems to be more powerful than my previous GT4.
Purchased the car in Dec 2020 from a PFA member who completed all the work, turned out to be a fantastic car and lots of fun to drive.
Honestly trying to predict what may be collectable in 20 years is mute in my opinion. Build the car for your driving experience now! Once a full rebuild is required, 4.0 option would be my only choice.
Who knows if ICE cars are even a driveable in 20 years let alone if people will be interested in cars like we are today. Already younger people aren't necessarily getting their car licences and many only driving automatics...
Not so muc ICE, however petroleum based fuel use in ICE engines. Synthetic fuel is sonmethign Porsche is definitely looking into and is likely to be the way for classic type cars.
The EU can pass laws all it likes - if the tech is not there to support it, the laws mean zero. California passed a set of zero emission laws in the 90s and nothing happened. Pen pushers like to think they are changing the world but in reality they are writing laws around what actually becomes possible with the tech. And then retconning themselves as ‘saving the x’. Any laws are unlikely to be retrospective - see also yellow vests.
Change is coming, but remember these are NEW ICE cars banned by 2035. How old is the average car owned in our lowest socioeconomic areas? Probably 20 years at least. That means there will still need to be petrol of some sort available until after 2050. I have no issue with commuting in an electric car, but I think there will still be a place for those of us who want to drive a classic on the weekend, which could easily be made to run on sustainable, eco-friendly fuels. I don't see these rules impacting us too greatly in our lifetime.
2035 is end of sales of new ICE vehicles, not prohibition of their use. ICE vehicles will be still on our roads in plentiful numbers for 50+ years yet.
October is the earliest they can start it. Looking at options atm. If pistons are cactus it’ll get a 4.0L build and I’ll import the parts from LN most likely. Looking at 30-45k either way depending what they find.
$2.15 in SA at the moment.
Good to see the government reducing half of their fuel tax worked. Not that servo owners would be price gouging...nooooo
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Markups vary wildly at the moment between 20-30c/L. From this you deduct wages, transport, overheads, infrastructure and they're running quite small effective margins - which is OK (ish) for a high volume product. But in reality, you need to sell 100,000L to make ~$25k. Then pay wages, electricity, insurance, transport, building ownership & running costs. There's a reason why servo shops are so damn expensive - it's the easiest/cheapest dollar they can earn. I'm not saying there's no gouging going on - it's more than likely happening before the terminal gate, not after it.
Funny how fuel prices miraculously increased by 50cents a week after the government reduced the tax on it though. I'm calling bullshit when I hear these 'experts' saying "Oh it's covid, it's Russia, its Ukraine, it's the possibility of China going to war with Taiwan..." Next they'll say "Well we haven't had any flu cases for 2 fkn years, so let's increase the price of everything and blame it on that!"
So tired of the fkn excuses by these muppets trying to justify themselves in their mega salary jobs. F..k off
Come on mate, $50k is fkn ridiculous!
Sounds like AH are just ripping people off blind because they can. It would've been worth a call to
@Mike D'Silva
Sadly that does seem to be what people in the US and UK are close to paying now when you factor in exchange rates. It’s gone crazy the last 6 months. Agree it’s an insane increase over a short period but not many other options at the moment. I think they’re also trying to manage expectations a bit too as my original quote last year was 25-35k.
I agree, it’s insane but there’s no real way around it. Prices for Porsche parts for engines has risen dramatically from what I understand.
If you have a 996 or 997 gt3 metzger, don’t even ask about rebuilding costs as it is now
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more than $50k , basically eye watering (parts prices for the bits inside, not labour) vs 2-3 years ago. I’ve done multiple engine rebuilds on gt3 and it’s now just extraordinary coin. The labour all up on those is still 100 hours so it’s parts prices that are really driving most of it. Sadly.
It’s really crazy - I thought air cooled was nuts but now m96 and m97 are getting up there.
In the US they’re quoting 30-35 for a solid rebuild so exchange rates factored in it’s about on par. Crazy to think three years ago I was quoted 10k
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Yep. I was hunting a good 996 gt3 cup as my next toy. Intent was restore and make it mint, apply launch car graphics and go nuts using it on track. Looked at 5 cars, and was keen till found out what metzger engine rebuilds now run at…..so back to the drawing board. It doesn’t stack up anymore for me - engine rebuild cost was the turning point.
Anyway, good luck with your rebuild.
That's just mental.
If my air cooled needed a rebuild, there's no way in a fit I could afford it. Even if I could, I couldn't justify paying that amount of money to a shop with exorbitant hourly rates.
That’s amazing looking - gives me ptsd though of not buying a gt3 when they were 60 grand and unwanted a few years ago.
ah well we all know Porsches aren’t a poor persons play thing but I can definitely see a few cars getting parted out until the after market or alternates come in. Or our dollar comes back up to historical levels.
will keep the thread updated as I get them.
Haha I hope for your sake your car never has issues or either sort (insurance company might dig this one up) haha
it’s all good - I’m fortunate I can ‘afford’ it and I don’t plan on selling so it’s just a sunk cost that will amortise the longer I own the car.
What Porsche shops are charging
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With respect. In all seriousness and if you want me to be specific and trying not to sound like an asshole, $185-$250/h. Yes they (you) are marque specialists, yet if I was to quote the same hourly rates for my expertise and years of experience in the building trade to do the work correctly and to building code, as opposed to an "I can do that" DIYer, I'd never get any work.
Is a Porsche shop' hourly rate negotiable? Not that I'm aware of. What if I was $185-250/h, would people just pay that? Of course not, they'd shop around for a better deal, yet people still whinge about having to pay $60-$80/h for their home repairs/additions and try to knock me down a bit, so I just walk off.
I've now switched to a day rate whether I'm there an hour or 8 hours to save any negotiation, and I'm straight up with that before we work out the nitty gritty of the time it will take and the cost of materials (which I don't add any percentage on top of but all mechanics do). That's why I'm getting work.
I understand the shops all have wages and all the other overheads to factor into their charges, yet what Porsche shops are charging compared to Joe Bloggs mechanical repairs, I just think it's exorbitant.
Workshop rate for autohaus I've been quoted is $200 per hour but I am sure that GST will be on top of that.
I have a broken down quote of nearly $58,000 to complete the work. I ended up getting a lot of parts sent from Pelican as I could source them far cheaper (like 30-35%) than Autohaus suppliers could. The cars been there since first week of Jan and at this stage I have no ETA on completion but I would be surprised it isnt another month or so. I am still hopeful of getting the work done for close to $50k by supplying some parts, and their quote being a worst case scenario.
Lucky I can afford it and I enjoy the car I guess - otherwise I would be really conflicted on if it is remotely worth it.
I can see a number of 996 and 997's becoming economic write-offs if the engine / trans fail and the rebuild costs keep ballooning.
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eye water engine rebuild cost is exactly what struck me as not worth it - hence this post from earlier this year.
Having rebuilt (paid for) multiple
997 gt3 engines either stock or hot rod myself, the prices have just gone so high now.
From my journey they (996 997 gt3) used to be $32k, then $40k for a proper refresh and rebuild, incl parts. That can now be a good $80k for a full gt3 engine refresh w pistons etc . The thing is it’s the prices of Porsche gt3 engine parts that’s gone nuts apparently, not just labour. It led me to conclude tracking a 99
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997 gt3 ….ain’t worth it anymore. I empathise re your build costs
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Mate, $50k would mean my car would develop a mysterious spontaneous combustion episode (probably fuel related), as that's outta my league.
I'm not at all against anyone making money, and I totally understand shops of all sorts need to cover their overheads etc, yet how much is too much to be justifiable to the customer? I'm sure their employees are paid award or just above, so they can't be doing it tough when their booked solid for weeks on end.
About 10 or 11 years ago I had quote to rebuild my 912 engine by one local shop ($20k) and AH in Sydney was a bit more plus freight to and from. Fortunately I tried another Porsche shop here in Adelaide (Buik Motorworks with the previous owner) and Craig there took pity on my poverty and helped out a lot, BUT, I couldn't buy the parts, as they would've been unable to warranty them, so I'd be checking on that before you proceed. Nowadays I'd hate to even get a quote locally, as I know a coupla guys who have spent similar to your quote or more, so someone is making some good money!
Re my last post, due to a so called 'mate' ripping me off a few grand very recently, I'm now solo in the building game doing all sorts of tasks (except tiling and painting...they suck and I'm crap at it), yet again, if I charged what a Porsche shop does, I wouldn't get any work. A wise man once told me "Make a little on a lot and you'll be right", and I've lived by that for years.
Yeh the parts are all fine - they checked them and I had to get genuine parts or they wouldn’t warranty it. The main cost is parts really. Lifter kits for inlet and exhaust 6k locally. 4K for mahle pistons etc. Its nuts how exy it is.
My engine is getting pretty much everything rebuilt or replaced, including cooling and oil systems plus pistons, bearings, head reconditioning block recon, full balance, upgraded IMS etc . I’m also putting in new pulleys and engine mounts etc so it’s literally a new motor effectively - but that doesn’t change it’s a shit engine design so far from bullet proof.
Yeah. They ain’t Toyota costs (or lotus) when something goes wrong hey.
fun toys but exxy.
My point is the bulk of the bill is parts not the labour. Good luck with it.
Sorry was replying to two responses at once - yeh the labour ironically is the one area I may save a little one from AH. I have no idea who is making the crazy parts mark up but the parts aren’t sophisticated or much different to so many other motors but they’re a lotttt more expensive.
what will you get now if it isn’t a gt3? I am seriously considering getting a cheap track focused car to have fun with as the Porsche is getting too exy to take near a track.
You’ll get several years of Motorsport out of a well built Porsche engine with basic maintenance. Not many other manufacturers come close in terms of reliability in a track/competition setting. Yes, it’s a high entry price but there is value long term not to mention the cars if well looked after are still worth good $$$.
For example, I have mates running Evo’s & WRX’s, engine builds are 1/3 the cost but need to be done in a 1/4 of the time I’ll get out of my 911 (plus they tend to be temperamental!!!)
True, as I've done a fair amount of investigation with the WRX engines, and although they're 'cheap' to build to make them quick, yet depending on which engine you have, they can be a hand grenade with the pin half hanging out.
I'm playing in the wrong game with owning a Porsche, but it is the price to pay when it's what you've dreamt of owning for 40 years
I’m yet to add up what I’ve spent recently rebuilding my 77 engine but I got 6 or so years (of solid competition) out of my last engine and it was still strong - but it felt like it was time. If I can get the same out of the new one I’ll be pleased.
I don’t have any liquid cooled cars in the stable but at the time when I did, I was dreading the thought of either needing a rebuild. My fetish for early Mezgers does mean that if I decide to get back into one a rebuild needs to be factored in as they are all getting on now.
Like building a new home, the bills will be significant so just make sure you engage someone you can trust. It’s really not worth cutting corners as you’ll end up paying for it twice!
With Respect Lee
I guess lucky for us we are currently $145+gst per hour, but we are also a very small garage with myself and Bruce the only workers. before 2018 we had been $110+gst per hour for as long as I've worked here. I think it total we rent 135square meters at around 4k a month. Some months the business is in the red some months the business is in the black but we both pay our wages at well below 100k a year. We both work 6 days a week, Bruce from 1994 and myself from 2000 when I started here.
Im not defending Autohaus or any other big specialist shop but their overheads would be enormous and so would the stress to make sure those cars keep coming through the doors. Ive been up there a few times and its the size of a dealership and extremely well maintained
Interesting enough we have a few general mechanic shops right next to us and just for example one is $155+gst per hour, one is $158inc and the other general mechanic is $135+gst. This is what you need to charge in Sydney metro to stay afloat as a business owner.
We generally put on up to 10% on parts that we source, I have to say also we spend an incredible amount of time finding parts from all around the world. The amount of time we spend looking up part numbers, calling people overseas is just ridiculous and I feel I have the right to charge for my time finding some of this stuff. Yes we do also buy spare parts locally from Porsche, Autohaus and BWA but I would say over 70% of the parts we find through supplies and garages overseas.
I would also say that if Porsche give you 100hrs to rebuild a GT3 engine for example and you were to take it to a general mechanic at say $150+gst per hour its most likely that they will spend more hours on it then what's quoted from Porsche. They would also have to buy the special tools needed for the job which im sure you will end up getting a charge for that's if they even say yes to doing the job. I would also say that if you were to sell that GT3 soon after rebuilding it would be far beneficial to have Autohaus or PR tech or Buiks motorworks for example as the builders rather then Joe Blogs mechanic repairs business as it shows the buyer that the engine has been built by a specialists and it can be trusted and backed by them to perform as it should
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Well said, Sean. Mechanics are people too and often wonder about how the rates they charge affect their customers. It's a finely balanced exercise - not too high that you have no customers, but covering overheads, insurance, training, holidays, wages, and actually getting a return on the risk you're taking.
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Thanks for the reply Sean
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Your hourly rate is the cheapest I have heard of in Porsche world, as even my local 'Joe Bloggs' is now $140 just to service our Kluger.
As I've mentioned, I understand the overheads with rent etc, and I know Sydney is much worse than Adelaide, yet at the same time the rates of the bigger shops like AH are just taking the piss really. Yeah they've got the big flashy shop that's costs a fortune in rent, plus employees and they need to charge what they do to justify staying in business, but ultimately that is their choice to 'go big or don't bother'. I'm sure they have many of the well healed who don't sniff at the final invoice to cover that, so whatever a pleb like me says doesn't mean a thing really.
I hadn't considered small shops like yours that have to source the parts etc which takes time, as even I have just spent hours over 3 days sourcing materials and information for a big job coming up that I've not done before, yet I personally don't count that as part of the job. Maybe I should add that to the bill though!
I also understand the cost of living and everything going up in price which you have to add to the job, and it's no different in the building game, yet how much is too much? If I add just $10/h for 5 days work, that's $400 extra on the bill, and many people would question that and probably haggle to reduce their costs which I'd probably have to reduce my rates, yet do that to any mechanical shop, doctor, physio or even a butcher and they'd laugh at you.
I don't begrudge anyone making money to stay alive, especially a specialist, yet to me it seems a lot of these specialists are charging their much higher rates because they know they'll get the business from those who can afford it.
Again, all respect to you and every other Porsche specialist for providing the service, yet some shops really need to have a think about how far they can push their clients financially when changing one set of plugs will set them back up to $1000
Sorry forgot to update this thread as I've had the car back a little while now.
Firstly nothing against Autohaus - the guys are great and I enjoy how they welcome you into their workshop to see exactly what they are doing.
Total cost - close to $60k.
Basically short of the block being replaced - everything else was (excluding bolt on's like exhaust and alternator/airbox etc). Had new liners put in, and IMS delete upgrade at the same time.
Engine was balanced so feels great, powerful, quite amazing.
I was able to source pistons, rings, tensioners, lifters etc so much cheaper from online stores which even they couldn't get close to matching by their supplier. They were fine with me to supply and would warranty as long as they were genuine parts.
Happy to answer any questions.
I think there is some confusion in the understanding, As unless a new motor has been designed or the have gone back to a 964 case deleting the IMS can not happen .
I wonder if he meant the IMS solution ...
Can you elaborate on the liner replacement process? Where do they source them? Or who are they getting to Nikasil them?
And is this a service they would offer by itself as opposed to having the entire motor rebuilt?
Apologies I missed a critical word IMS bearing issue delete - yes LN engineering IMS solution (which adds around $4.5k)
Unfortunately they are iron liners, that are lipped to avoid slipping. They were machined and installed locally. Due to the poor exchange rate it wasn't feasible to send to hartech or Flat 6 etc.
Actually the aircooled engines all have intermediate shafts as well. They are just internal and oiled, rather than having the sealed bearings of the 996.
Pretty sure there is another gent on this forum who just sent his engine off. Im sure if you do a search you'll find it. (unless its been deleted)...There arent too many people that have done it. Cannot remember if it was LN or Hartech but pretty certain he is very happy wtih the outcome.
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Thanks guy, yes I have talked to a friend who did the rebuild a few years back and the price was much lower back then (lucky him). My car is still running okay, but thinking this is a 16 year old car, I have to prepare for it at some point.
The price increase is based on a few factors, biggest issue is our dollar is in the toilet and parts are becoming more 'sought after' as the cars age.
Annoyingly the quote I was originally given was 30-35 grand 18 months ago. Then by the time I dropped it off in January the price had gone up as much as the dollar had come down unfortunately.
Yea I know, I did a water pump, engine mount and coolant tank replacement recently, the bill already scared me. As I want to keep the car for as long as i can (I own the car for over 6 years already), i started doing some research on what next will fail. And the engine rebuild seems the biggest one (and i regret didnt change the AOS in my last repair now!)
I've got the VF Engineering supercharger kit waiting to go on mine. Deciding if I do it now or wait till after I rebuild the original engine.
There is also an option for a more modern 911 engine but the work to get it fully intergrated is fairly daunting
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