Which Manthey Engine Conversions Are There? - Page 4 - 911/Carrera GT - PistonHeads UK

I'm currently looking at a couple of 996 GT3 that have Manthey engine conversions, one a M410 and one a 3.9 displacement conversion. Am I right i saying a K400 is what is done on a 996.1 GT3, a K410 is a 996.2 GT3 and an M devotion means it was built by Manthey and not built from a kit? There's surprisingly little online about the various versions.

Has mainly been killed off because of the Manthey/Porsche official link up so they no longer develop drivetrain upgrades. K400 and K410 were available for 996.1 and 992.6 respectively Cup air filter, new engine cover inner to mate to filter, Ecu upgrade with tune, new full exhaust system. Slippydiff will know much more as this was his era. There were also M designation kits, as far as i can tell these were for the turbo cars such as GT2 M600. They also used to offer some capacity kits for N/A Mezgers in the form of 3.9, 4.2 and 4.4L. That all stopped after 997. They have done some recent conversion on 996 and 997 but these require special sign off now as a project.

TDT said: Slippydiff will know much more as this was his era. Brilliant! They are great conversions and I very nearly bought a K400 a few years back and wish I did. Adds a bit of extra edge to the powertrain and sounds glorious when at full chat. All 996 GT3s are good to drive and these are just that little bit extra.

The 3.9 I’ve test driven and still looking at was north of €30k I think and that was maybe ten years ago-I dread to think what a 4.4 would be by Manthey now!

blackmamba said: Brilliant! They are great conversions and I very nearly bought a K400 a few years back and wish I did. Adds a bit of extra edge to the powertrain and sounds glorious when at full chat. All 996 GT3s are good to drive and these are just that little bit extra. I know where there's a K400 Mk1 available if you should be interested. The K400 is indeed the 996 Mk1GT3 conversion, and the K410 the 996 MK2 GT3 conversion. The early 3.9 conversions carried out by Manthey on the Mk1 996 using Perfect Bore (which subsequently became Capricorn) liners and pistons were somewhat sub-optimal initially, but they got them sorted and they produced good horsepower and torque increases. The Mk2 K410 conversion wasn't as popular, it was basically gilding the lily, as the Mk2 996 GT3 engine was pretty well optimised compared with the Mk1 unit. A large part of that came courtesy of the Variocam Plus system which enabled infinitely variable valve timing on the inlet cam, as opposed to the cruder, "stepped" adjustment utilised on the Mk1 engine. The Mk2 engine used considerably lighter internal components and a far more powerful ECU too. The Mk1 engine clearly had a lot more "left on the table" as Manthey managed to extract close to 50hp with the Mk1 K400 conversion by using some decent exhaust manifolds, high flow cats and freer flowing silencers along with some fairly crude (but effective) modifications to the induction system and engine ECU. Engine kit K400 · GT3 (up to M.Y. 2001) · manifolds, sport catalysts, rear mufflers, tail pipes, Cup air filter, MM motronic · more power, more torque · weight reduction by 6.7 kg (exhaust system) · increase of acceleration, performance, top speed · developed on the latest MAHA dyno · tested on the Nürburgring and in every day use · original onboard diagnosis systems are not affected · individual dyno run incl. if fitted at Meuspath · TÜV only inhouse · special noise reduced version with additional silencer (minus 3 dB) available (surcharge 603,00 EUR) Manthey quoted a 35hp gain, but it's suggested that the Mk1 engine didn't make the full 360hp claimed by the factory. Depending on the rolling road used, figures seem to vary between 395 and 405hp for the conversion, what's not in doubt is the improvement in breathing at the top end and the vastly improved induction and exhaust noise. Wayne at Chip Wizards can extract 395-400hp from a Mk1 engine if you fit a decent set of exhaust manifolds/cats and system from M&M exhausts in Germany, and get him to remap the ECU. It won't have the wonderful induction noise the full K400 kit provides, but it will save you a lot of money and avoids having to cut the inside out of the very expensive engine cover away to facilitate fitment of the carbon fibre cold air ducting required when the 996 BMC Cup air filter is used. The K410 kit for the Mk2 looks familiar ... : Engine kit K410 · GT3 (from M.Y. 2004; incl. RS) · manifolds, sport catalysts, rear mufflers, tail pipes, air filter, MM motronic · more power, more torque · weight reduction by 6.7 kg (exhaust system) · increase of acceleration, performance, top speed · developed on the latest MAHA dyno · tested on the Nürburgring and in every day use · original onboard diagnosis systems are not affected · individual dyno run incl. if fitted at Meuspath · TÜV only inhouse · special noise reduced version with additional silencer (minus 3 dB) available (plus 603,00 EUR) Manthey quoted a 30hp gain, but as most Mk2 owners would have you believe the engines produced closer to 400hp than the 380 claimed by the manufacturer, it leaves one wondering what the real gains were with the K410 kit ... Manthey also offered a 3.9 litre K440 kit for the Mk2 996 GT3 and RS : Engine kit K440 · GT3 (incl. RS, M.Y. 2004) · complete engine conversion incl. increase of capacity to 3.9l (pistons, cylinders, sports clutch, Cup fly wheel, complete sports exhaust system, air filter, MM motronic) · weight reduction by 6.7 kg (exhaust system) · great increase of performance (0-100 km/h: 3.8 sec. / top speed limited: 333 km/h) · developed on the latest MAHA dyno · tested for two years on the Nürburgring and in every day use · street version of MR’s most successful 3.9L race engine (GT3-MR) · minus 600,00 EUR for RS version · individual dyno run incl. if fitted at Meuspath · the total conversion needs app. 2 weeks They quoted + 60 hp / + 70 Nm gains. They also produced the K480 (a 3.8L 480hp conversion for the Gen 1 997 GT3/ and RS) along with the M600 conversion for the 997 GT2. you guys mentioned. I have features on both the latter conversions in PDF form, but being a halfwit (and some would say that's being generous) I have absolutely no idea how to extract them from my PC and onto the worldwide interwebz. So anyone wanting copies of the features, drop me a PM with your email address and I'll send them through. If you can scan them and then post the scans in this thread, it would make a good reference source for all to refer to in the future. Edited by Slippydiff on Saturday 20th January 19:41

PRO 5T said: I'm currently looking at a couple of 996 GT3 that have Manthey engine conversions, one a M410 and one a 3.9 displacement conversion. Am I right i saying a K400 is what is done on a 996.1 GT3, a K410 is a 996.2 GT3 and an M devotion means it was built by Manthey and not built from a kit? There's surprisingly little online about the various versions. The 3.9 was referred to as K440. I had a K400 on my Mk1 GT3, then the K440 done by Manthey at Muespath. Shame they don't do these any more - especially the 4.4! I'd be back there in a flash. Edited by 993rsr on Saturday 20th January 19:22 Edited by 993rsr on Saturday 20th January 19:42

TDT said: Slippydiff will know much more as this was his era. Slippydiff said: Knowledge…. Lol… told ya!

My friend has one that Flemke had a hand in developing, I think? It has over 500hp.

Slippydiff said: I know where there's a K400 Mk1 available if you should be interested. Slippy, if you could send me some info I'd be incredibly interested, plus thank you so much for all the info. If you could forward any PDF info that would be amazing too. Your name came up last week while I was viewing a certain 3.8 engined 997.

TDT said: TDT said: Slippydiff will know much more as this was his era. Slippydiff said: Knowledge…. Lol… told ya! PH gold I do wonder how safe Porsche played it with the 996 Mk1 GT3 ... it was a proof of concept that has become a brand in its own right ... and yes, the MkII was better in so many ways, but only by building on the shoulders of the Mk1 ....

PRO 5T said: Slippy, if you could send me some info I'd be incredibly interested, plus thank you so much for all the info. If you could forward any PDF info that would be amazing too. Your name came up last week while I was viewing a certain 3.8 engined 997. Ah yes, a deeply impressive 3.8 that. The work of Silverstone's Mezger whisperer. 478hp on the dyno sheet seems to ring a bell. No more than a fag paper between that car and my 997 Cup engined Mk1 GT3 built by the same Mezger whisperer. I'd guess the Mk1 996's smaller frontal area would be more efficient on high speed circuits, but there wouldn't be much between them at all.

You had a beast with my old 996 Henry!

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Slippydiff said: Ah yes, a deeply impressive 3.8 that. The work of Silverstone's Mezger whisperer. 478hp on the dyno sheet seems to ring a bell. No more than a fag paper between that car and my 997 Cup engined Mk1 GT3 built by the same Mezger whisperer. I'd guess the Mk1 996's smaller frontal area would be more efficient on high speed circuits, but there wouldn't be much between them at all. Ahh.. Zanicup.... where is that car now?

This is Nicolas Abbouds car.. 4.2L Someone else that a few of us know, (UK based), also recently had his car a 996 GT3 MR come Cup car completed with a 4.0L upgrade. List of other tweaks is extensive. Edited by TDT on Saturday 20th January 23:49

TDT said: Slippydiff said: Ah yes, a deeply impressive 3.8 that. The work of Silverstone's Mezger whisperer. 478hp on the dyno sheet seems to ring a bell. No more than a fag paper between that car and my 997 Cup engined Mk1 GT3 built by the same Mezger whisperer. I'd guess the Mk1 996's smaller frontal area would be more efficient on high speed circuits, but there wouldn't be much between them at all. Ahh.. Zanicup.... where is that car now? With Mr S Rance 🙂

TDT said: ...... They also used to offer some capacity kits for N/A Mezgers in the form of 3.9, 4.2 and 4.4L. That all stopped after 997. I thought it was a 3.9, 4.1 and 4.4 (which iirc was started out as a project for flemke's car as mentioned)? when I was at Mantheys I think in 2014 or 15, they had mentioned that the 4.4 was having some road use resonance issues which never came up on track so it was down sizes to a 4.2 which was going to be the final possible offering.

isaldiri said: TDT said: ...... They also used to offer some capacity kits for N/A Mezgers in the form of 3.9, 4.2 and 4.4L. That all stopped after 997. I thought it was a 3.9, 4.1 and 4.4 (which iirc was started out as a project for flemke's car as mentioned)? when I was at Mantheys I think in 2014 or 15, they had mentioned that the 4.4 was having some road use resonance issues which never came up on track so it was down sizes to a 4.2 which was going to be the final possible offering. I didn’t know about 4.1. As for 4.4. There are some conversions around. In fact Manthey have been featuring a 997 3RS with 4.4 on their social media channels over the last few weeks. Edited by TDT on Sunday 21st January 00:26

Andyoz said: Just a note on the K and M designations as I understand it... ...M designated kits were fitted at Manthey. ...K designated were fitted by their agents. 996.1 Manthey ups the redline from 7800 to 8200 (matches the Mk2). As mentioned above, Mk2 Manthey kits miss out on the Cup style intake which does sound tasty and barks...anyone into flat 6 sounds, really should try one out and visit that redline. Friend just did a teardown on his 130k mile 996.1 GT3 Manthey ready for 3.8 conversion. Bores still showed original honing marks, piston skirts like new, zero cam wear, big end bearings were good, etc, etc..LOTS of hard track work but properly cared for. There's a reason these engines cost a bomb. Edited by Andyoz on Sunday 21st January 00:55 Not sure about the designations... I have the first K400 car, call it the prototype if you will - a LHD MY 2000 CS delivered new to Olaf Manthey on the 3 Jan 2000 and in the German Fahrezeugbrief that I still have the engine mods are listed as K400...

Cheburator mk2 said: Not sure about the designations... I have the first K400 car, call it the prototype if you will - a LHD MY 2000 CS delivered new to Olaf Manthey on the 3 Jan 2000 and in the German Fahrezeugbrief that I still have the engine mods are listed as K400... Is that the grey one that went from 911Virgin to Norway (or a scandi country) back in the day?

Cheburator mk2 said: Andyoz said: Just a note on the K and M designations as I understand it... ...M designated kits were fitted at Manthey. ...K designated were fitted by their agents. 996.1 Manthey ups the redline from 7800 to 8200 (matches the Mk2). As mentioned above, Mk2 Manthey kits miss out on the Cup style intake which does sound tasty and barks...anyone into flat 6 sounds, really should try one out and visit that redline. Friend just did a teardown on his 130k mile 996.1 GT3 Manthey ready for 3.8 conversion. Bores still showed original honing marks, piston skirts like new, zero cam wear, big end bearings were good, etc, etc..LOTS of hard track work but properly cared for. There's a reason these engines cost a bomb. Edited by Andyoz on Sunday 21st January 00:55 Not sure about the designations... I have the first K400 car, call it the prototype if you will - a LHD MY 2000 CS delivered new to Olaf Manthey on the 3 Jan 2000 and in the German Fahrezeugbrief that I still have the engine mods are listed as K400... My K440 Mk 1 was done at Manthey, AFAIR JZM only did the K400/K410.

PRO 5T said: Cheburator mk2 said: Not sure about the designations... I have the first K400 car, call it the prototype if you will - a LHD MY 2000 CS delivered new to Olaf Manthey on the 3 Jan 2000 and in the German Fahrezeugbrief that I still have the engine mods are listed as K400... Is that the grey one that went from 911Virgin to Norway (or a scandi country) back in the day? Nope - it's a Polar silver car, which spent all its life in Germany until I bought it in 2014 with 24k miles on the clock...

993rsr said: My K440 Mk 1 was done at Manthey, AFAIR JZM only did the K400/K410. Yes, as the K400/410 is bolt on parts, rather than a full on engine build. Interestingly enough, even with the K400 JZM were less than helpful when I had a question about the Motronic in my car. They suggested that I take it out , then send it off to them so they can then forward it to Manthey in Germany... At the end I dealt directly with VGS in Koln who still do all the mapping for Manthey...

PRO 5T said: Is that the grey one that went from 911Virgin to Norway (or a scandi country) back in the day? You're thinking of this one Craig : P.S I did receive your email re the K400 car, I'll respond to it later on today or tomorrow. Oh yeh, this may sting a bit ... Edited by Slippydiff on Monday 22 January 12:26

That's the one, I actually went and viewed it when it was for sale at 911V and subsequently the guy who took it to scandinavia called me to see what I thought about it and why I didn't buy it. The Manthey badge was beyond cool.

993rsr said: My K440 Mk 1 was done at Manthey, AFAIR JZM only did the K400/K410. Ah, come to think of it...it was seller of a 996 Manthey that told me that when I was looking LOL. His had M410 stickers...

PRO 5T said: That's the one, I actually went and viewed it when it was for sale at 911V and subsequently the guy who took it to scandinavia called me to see what I thought about it and why I didn't buy it. The Manthey badge was beyond cool. Got one...

Just a note on the K and M designations as I understand it... ...M designated kits were fitted at Manthey. ...K designated were fitted by their agents. EDIT: that's BS above !!! 996.1 Manthey ups the redline from 7800 to 8200 (matches the Mk2). As mentioned above, Mk2 Manthey kits miss out on the Cup style intake which does sound tasty and barks...anyone into flat 6 sounds, really should try one out and visit that redline. Friend just did a teardown on his 130k mile 996.1 GT3 Manthey ready for 3.8 conversion. Bores still showed original honing marks, piston skirts like new, zero cam wear, big end bearings were good, etc, etc..LOTS of hard track work but properly cared for. There's a reason these engines cost a bomb. Edited by Andyoz on Monday 22 January 12:55

PRO 5T said: That's the one, I actually went and viewed it when it was for sale at 911V and subsequently the guy who took it to scandinavia called me to see what I thought about it and why I didn't buy it. The Manthey badge was beyond cool. Me too

Manthey Motors

Andyoz said: 993rsr said: My K440 Mk 1 was done at Manthey, AFAIR JZM only did the K400/K410. Ah, come to think of it...it was seller of a 996 Manthey that told me that when I was looking LOL. His had M410 stickers... The owner of an M410 is telling me the same, no idea which is correct or if Manthey used K and M denotations throughout for no apparent reason.

Andyoz said: Got one... Very smart! Andy, would you mind if I sent you a PM? Or even if you had 5 mins for a quick chat?

PRO 5T said: Very smart! Andy, would you mind if I sent you a PM? Or even if you had 5 mins for a quick chat? Oxymoron alert !! There's no such thing as "quick chat" with Andy

Slippydiff said: Oxymoron alert !! There's no such thing as "quick chat" with Andy Hang on, who keeps ringing who

PRO 5T said: The owner of an M410 is telling me the same, no idea which is correct or if Manthey used K and M denotations throughout for no apparent reason. Is it a Black one....

Andyoz said: Slippydiff said: Oxymoron alert !! There's no such thing as "quick chat" with Andy Hang on, who keeps ringing who Hang on, who won't stop talking

Andyoz said: PRO 5T said: The owner of an M410 is telling me the same, no idea which is correct or if Manthey used K and M denotations throughout for no apparent reason. Is it a Black one.... It is, hence the need of a chat!

I have bought a 996.1 GT3 with Manthey K400, suspension and some other stuff and because of that I have started the fascinating research on especially the Manthey upgrades. I wonder what is the reason that the 3.9 kit is only for the 996.2 GT3 car?

Caddyshack said: My friend has one that Flemke had a hand in developing, I think? It has over 500hp. is that the (I think) blue 997 RS that was for sale a while ago?

MDL111 said: is that the (I think) blue 997 RS that was for sale a while ago? nope... it's a 996.2

MDL111 said: Caddyshack said: My friend has one that Flemke had a hand in developing, I think? It has over 500hp. is that the (I think) blue 997 RS that was for sale a while ago? Yes, I think that is the same car. I must be getting old as I have not actually bothered to go and see it, he normally lobs me the keys to all of his cars on the road and track....the 20 yr old me would be livid with me. I understand Manthey told him not to drive it home from their base near the 'ring to the UK at constant revs as there is something odd in the harmonics at this state of tune which means it should not stay like that for long so he has to vary his cruising speed.

Cheburator mk2 said: MDL111 said: is that the (I think) blue 997 RS that was for sale a while ago? nope... it's a 996.2 gotcha

Caddyshack said: MDL111 said: Caddyshack said: My friend has one that Flemke had a hand in developing, I think? It has over 500hp. is that the (I think) blue 997 RS that was for sale a while ago? Yes, I think that is the same car. I must be getting old as I have not actually bothered to go and see it, he normally lobs me the keys to all of his cars on the road and track....the 20 yr old me would be livid with me. I understand Manthey told him not to drive it home from their base near the 'ring to the UK at constant revs as there is something odd in the harmonics at this state of tune which means it should not stay like that for long so he has to vary his cruising speed. that is probably the same car then, can't be many around. looked at it quite a few times, as I am sure the engine is very special.

Slippydiff said: You're thinking of this one Craig : P.S I did receive your email re the K400 car, I'll respond to it later on today or tomorrow. Oh yeh, this may sting a bit ... Edited by Slippydiff on Monday 22 January 12:26 Hi guys just found this old thread as I was looking some data on Manthey conversions! That's my car in the pictures, bought it in 2011. Still haven't bothered to have it repainted as it's used purely as a track car. Has now done 156 000 km's, Many trips to Ring, Spa, Mugello , Imola, Bilster Berg plus all the Finnish tracks. So it has been used well you could say. It has served me well with the original engine..However I bought an 3.9 (?) engine from former(?) member here few years ago. That has been an interesting adventure for sure.

JarmoL said: Hi guys just found this old thread as I was looking some data on Manthey conversions! That's my car in the pictures, bought it in 2011. Still haven't bothered to have it repainted as it's used purely as a track car. Has now done 156 000 km's, Many trips to Ring, Spa, Mugello , Imola, Bilster Berg plus all the Finnish tracks. So it has been used well you could say. It has served me well with the original engine..However I bought an 3.9 (?) engine from former(?) member here few years ago. That has been an interesting adventure for sure. Nice! We spoke many years ago and we also met at Spa one year. Interesting about the 3.9 engine-was it a Manthey one?

Yes I remember our discussion at Spa while refueling. The engine has been built in England so not a Manthey one. It's not making the power you 'd expect from 3.9 build. Might be the tuning is still off or there is something wrong with the engine. Not much experience here in Finland for tuning these engines. I wish I could just sent the ECU to a tuner and buy 3.9 software and have it installed. I still have the original 3.6 engine and k400 ECU intact as well. Had to send the ECU to VGS in Germany to have it fixed when it gave me ECU faulty code. They could tune the 3.9 ECU of course but they'd want the car there for a week. I wonder how much that would cost.. :

JarmoL said: Yes I remember our discussion at Spa while refueling. The engine has been built in England so not a Manthey one. It's not making the power you 'd expect from 3.9 build. Might be the tuning is still off or there is something wrong with the engine. Not much experience here in Finland for tuning these engines. I wish I could just sent the ECU to a tuner and buy 3.9 software and have it installed. I still have the original 3.6 engine and k400 ECU intact as well. Had to send the ECU to VGS in Germany to have it fixed when it gave me ECU faulty code. They could tune the 3.9 ECU of course but they'd want the car there for a week. I wonder how much that would cost.. : Brilliant! I’m so pleased the car is still going strong it’s a beautiful thing. Here’s my Manthey 3.9 set up by VGS… (Ran through google translate for English subtitles) https://vm.tiktok.com/ZGewet1MT/

Thanks a lot! That dyno sheet was just what I wanted to see. Very strong numbers for sure. Who knows maybe I will take my car to VGS next spring after all!

JarmoL said: Thanks a lot! That dyno sheet was just what I wanted to see. Very strong numbers for sure. Who knows maybe I will take my car to VGS next spring after all! Thanks (although I can take no responsibility for the excellent work)! Everyone mentions the power but it's the torque figure that makes the difference. Along with the shortened final drive uphill sections (say out of Bergwerk or the Kemmel) just don't seem to exist any more. Although it's fun to rev an engine out, I personally find it makes it more fun on the road as you can drive on the torque and change gear more often just by using the lower torque-then you get that lovely induction roar more often. If you do want to rev it out to the maximum, you better be on track or you can get yourself in serious trouble very quickly

I am the lucky owner of the 996 GT3 4.2 MR as well as the 997 GT3 RS 4.4 MR in your forum thread. It is to date my mots fun cars to drive on the track. It is a a blast to take over the 992 GT3 RS during track-days. 557hp and 1290kg will do that

my 997 4.4 got a unique engine designation of M555!

Kikas2 said: I am the lucky owner of the 996 GT3 4.2 MR as well as the 997 GT3 RS 4.4 MR in your forum thread. It is to date my mots fun cars to drive on the track. It is a a blast to take over the 992 GT3 RS during track-days. 557hp and 1290kg will do that Wow! We need to see some pictures of those!

My Manthey M440 (though it should really be an M449 !) 3.9 at the annual Oulton Park RS day last month…

PRO5T said: Kikas2 said: I am the lucky owner of the 996 GT3 4.2 MR as well as the 997 GT3 RS 4.4 MR in your forum thread. It is to date my mots fun cars to drive on the track. It is a a blast to take over the 992 GT3 RS during track-days. 557hp and 1290kg will do that Wow! We need to see some pictures of those! This would be the 996.2 GT3 with the 4.2 engine I presume. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSJLKN04tc4

Slippydiff said: PRO5T said: Kikas2 said: I am the lucky owner of the 996 GT3 4.2 MR as well as the 997 GT3 RS 4.4 MR in your forum thread. It is to date my mots fun cars to drive on the track. It is a a blast to take over the 992 GT3 RS during track-days. 557hp and 1290kg will do that Wow! We need to see some pictures of those! This would be the 996.2 GT3 with the 4.2 engine I presume. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSJLKN04tc4 Aha, that one! Why are they always black?

Slippydiff said: PRO5T said: Kikas2 said: I am the lucky owner of the 996 GT3 4.2 MR as well as the 997 GT3 RS 4.4 MR in your forum thread. It is to date my mots fun cars to drive on the track. It is a a blast to take over the 992 GT3 RS during track-days. 557hp and 1290kg will do that Wow! We need to see some pictures of those! This would be the 996.2 GT3 with the 4.2 engine I presume. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSJLKN04tc4 wow, what a machine and lots op NA power, sounds great as well, nice 996

Kikas2 said: my 997 4.4 got a unique engine designation of M555! Amazing car. Were the road resonance issues with the 4.4 resolved?

Hey All, I recently bought a 996.1 Manthey in Polar Silver that I believe was an original german delivery which then subsequently went to the UK for a while and then to Finland which it's registered as "DER-996". I'm trying to piece together it's history and would love any leads you have. I believe there's very few of these with the K400 kit, GT2 style carbon wing and also was updated to the .2 headlight and bodywork. Thanks for the help!

Hsweeny said: Hey All, I recently bought a 996.1 Manthey in Polar Silver that I believe was an original german delivery which then subsequently went to the UK for a while and then to Finland which it's registered as "DER-996". I'm trying to piece together it's history and would love any leads you have. I believe there's very few of these with the K400 kit, GT2 style carbon wing and also was updated to the .2 headlight and bodywork. Thanks for the help! Nice! Some pics would be good!

Is this the Juha Miettinen GT3 recently for sale in Germany? Price seemed quite reasonable...

mollytherocker said: Hsweeny said: Hey All, I recently bought a 996.1 Manthey in Polar Silver that I believe was an original german delivery which then subsequently went to the UK for a while and then to Finland which it's registered as "DER-996". I'm trying to piece together it's history and would love any leads you have. I believe there's very few of these with the K400 kit, GT2 style carbon wing and also was updated to the .2 headlight and bodywork. Thanks for the help! Nice! Some pics would be good! Flemke had a 996 lhd manthey in silver which he then sold to a friend of mine. I think he did sell it and it may have gone abroad. If you want to send me a pic I can ask him.

https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/21011793

Beautiful. Definitely on my wish list .... very tempting. As a swap maybe - ?? Pip

Caddyshack said: Flemke had a 996 lhd manthey in silver which he then sold to a friend of mine. I think he did sell it and it may have gone abroad. If you want to send me a pic I can ask him. Flemke’s/Alex’s Manthey is based on a Mk2 car. It was never registered in Finland. Alex had it build by Manthey with a 4ltr engine and carbon bodywork. Also had it set up by Timo at the Ring…

Caddyshack said: Flemke had a 996 lhd manthey in silver which he then sold to a friend of mine. I think he did sell it and it may have gone abroad. If you want to send me a pic I can ask him. I think it must be a different one, current owner bought it from 'William Betts', who was the sole owner of the car whilst it was in the UK. Before that he said he 'bought it directly from Olaf's personal recommendation' while it was in Germany There can't be many of these LHD .1's in Silver though thats for sure

Hsweeny said: Caddyshack said: Flemke had a 996 lhd manthey in silver which he then sold to a friend of mine. I think he did sell it and it may have gone abroad. If you want to send me a pic I can ask him. I think it must be a different one, current owner bought it from 'William Betts', who was the sole owner of the car whilst it was in the UK. Before that he said he 'bought it directly from Olaf's personal recommendation' while it was in Germany There can't be many of these LHD .1's in Silver though thats for sure I used to do a lot of track days with Will Betts, he is also a friend of Flemke. He used to have a lovely white RS 993 club sport. Makes fancy motorsport fuels. I think my other friend is still in touch with Will. I have his number somewhere myself. Edited by Caddyshack on Monday 21st September 21:16

Caddyshack said: I used to do a lot of track days with Will Betts, he is also a friend of Flemke. He used to have a lovely white RS 993 club sport. Makes fancy motorsport fuels. I think my other friend is still in touch with Will. I have his number somewhere myself. Edited by Caddyshack on Monday 21st September 21:16 Any chance you might be able to text him and pass on a message for me? Would really love to get in touch and hear about the car during his ownership

Hsweeny said: Caddyshack said: I used to do a lot of track days with Will Betts, he is also a friend of Flemke. He used to have a lovely white RS 993 club sport. Makes fancy motorsport fuels. I think my other friend is still in touch with Will. I have his number somewhere myself. Edited by Caddyshack on Monday 21st September 21:16 Any chance you might be able to text him and pass on a message for me? Would really love to get in touch and hear about the car during his ownership Yes, not a problem at all. Do you want to send me a pm / email and I will ask Will to get in touch with you and I can ask him if ok to share his number same way. I have just texted and will dig out his email later on. Edited by Caddyshack on Tuesday 22 September 08:20

Caddyshack said: Yes, not a problem at all. Do you want to send me a pm / email and I will ask Will to get in touch with you and I can ask him if ok to share his number same way. I have just texted and will dig out his email later on. Edited by Caddyshack on Tuesday 22 September 08:20 You’re a legend - I just sent you a PM with my details, thanks!

Hsweeny said: Caddyshack said: Yes, not a problem at all. Do you want to send me a pm / email and I will ask Will to get in touch with you and I can ask him if ok to share his number same way. I have just texted and will dig out his email later on. Edited by Caddyshack on Tuesday 22 September 08:20 You re a legend - I just sent you a PM with my details, thanks! Got it. No response from this mornings text…Will ring tomorrow.

Caddyshack said: Got it. No response from this mornings text Will ring tomorrow. Just got in touch with him, thanks for your help!