981 GT4 Future Icon - Page 5 - Boxster/Cayman - PistonHeads UK

With all the electric cars coming and noise being a major factor for me buying a 981GT4, I love driving with the window down listening to the engine and exhaust notes. So going forward do you think the sound will be missed and cars like the 981 GT4’s will become icon’s and worth keeping hold of?

Ultimately, it’s probably the one you’d had in a collection. The car arrived at a bit of a cross roads point for Porsche where there was no other manual GT product. The response to the 981 GT4 then reignited Manual GT cars. The first of a new model is always important. Subsequent generations will come along, but the first is always the first. As tech moves on you get better tech in the newer car… that’s undeniable. The engine discussion has been done to death… so that aside... as for how the car goes down the road on its suspension, steers, feels and sounds, In the case of the 981, it’s has quite a few other intangibles and traits that have been removed from 718 for example.... for some that’s good, for some that’s not so good. Just like the 996 GT3 is genesis… 981 is the same.

Yep, either of the GT4s will in all likelihood be in strong demand in the future. Each has their fans and each has its own pros and cons. TDT and I sit on either side of the fence but he's blurred the lines by modifying his engine Both versions are fabulous cars and everyone should try one at some point, and even better own one and enjoy one if you can. They're not meant to be garage queens.

How many were built? How many in the U.K does anyone know?

keo said: How many were built? How many in the U.K does anyone know? I don't have the exact numbers to hand, but it's 600+ 981s and currently 300+ 718s.

Having previously owned a 981 GT4 clubsport indobti a large degree agree it could well be a future ‘modern classic’ Porsche. But I disagree on the sound front - my current 981 Spyder sounds so much better than the GT4 no doubt helped by the lack of roof! With just over 200 registered in the UK this I believe will also be a future ‘modern classic’ P car.

Twinfan said: I don't have the exact numbers to hand, but it's 600+ 981s and currently 300+ 718s. Thanks Twinfan

It depends how you view the future. Realistically, I think we are going through a final period of indulgence in ICE vehicles. Eventually interesting ICE models will phase into enthusiast ownership, for fun and occasional use, due to restrictive legislation. With so many choices, this means that investment values for most will fall. Big collections won’t be viable, so just have one or two cars that provide nostalgic access to a ‘golden era’ - bit like vinyl, or 35mm cameras - look how quickly advancing technology has dismissed CDs, DVDs, etc. In this context - I think manual transmission, lower tech, analogue cars, that rely far more on driver input are going to be popular choices. And, assuming ICE is still permitted on Track Days (with stricter noise and emissions regs), then GT cars will have extra desirability. But, I can’t ever see a GT4 being ‘iconic’ like a 2.7RS or 964RS.

The fact that it is a great but flawed car may actually be what makes it desirable in the further. Icon cars are often far from perfect and in this regard the 981 meets that criteria. Loved mine, thought long and hard about selling, but (currently) no regrets in doing so. However, if they go the way of the 996 GT3 RS then I may regret that decision (as I did when I sold my RS), but I think the chances of the 981 GT4 reaching the desirability levels of that car are very unlikely.

PhilHay said: With all the electric cars coming and noise being a major factor for me buying a 981GT4, I love driving with the window down listening to the engine and exhaust notes. So going forward do you think the sound will be missed and cars like the 981 GT4’s will become icon’s and worth keeping hold of? May become iconic in ones mind, but there are far too many of them in existence for the iconic status to mean iconic prices. so if future value is not your angle here then yep probably will, if not already, be iconic to a relatively small audience.

julian987R said: May become iconic in ones mind, but there are far too many of them in existence for the iconic status to mean iconic prices. so if future value is not your angle here then yep probably will, if not already, be iconic to a relatively small audience. Even 600 UK cars is fairly limited in the grand scheme especially bearing in mind there are around double the number i.e. c1200 458s which are regarded as increasingly iconic not just because of the last n.a. pre 488 forced induction. 981 GT4s are holding up remarkably well seeing as decent spec and mileage cars approaching 6 years old are still retailing around list price new ££ and further strengthening of pricing across the board is expected at least into next year due to the many reasons already discussed.

But only 58 UK RHD 964 RS ...

av185 said: Even 600 UK cars is fairly limited in the grand scheme especially bearing in mind there are around double the number i.e. c1200 458s which are regarded as increasingly iconic not just because of the last n.a. pre 488 forced induction. 981 GT4s are holding up remarkably well seeing as decent spec and mileage cars approaching 6 years old are still retailing around list price new ££ and further strengthening of pricing across the board is expected at least into next year due to the many reasons already discussed. 600 must be up there with the highest UK production number for a GT product. I can’t see owners making money on them now, not for a VERY long time if ever, but you probably won’t lose much.

shantybeater said: 600 must be up there with the highest UK production number for a GT product. I can’t see owners making money on them now, not for a VERY long time if ever, but you probably won’t lose much. Its not so much about what you can make ££ but rather what you don't lose. Not many cars fit into this rare category if indeed depreciation is a concern.

av185 said: julian987R said: May become iconic in ones mind, but there are far too many of them in existence for the iconic status to mean iconic prices. so if future value is not your angle here then yep probably will, if not already, be iconic to a relatively small audience. Even 600 UK cars is fairly limited in the grand scheme especially bearing in mind there are around double the number i.e. c1200 458s which are regarded as increasingly iconic not just because of the last n.a. pre 488 forced induction. 981 GT4s are holding up remarkably well seeing as decent spec and mileage cars approaching 6 years old are still retailing around list price new ££ and further strengthening of pricing across the board is expected at least into next year due to the many reasons already discussed. 600 seems a huge number. Considering folk are wise now to keeping them pristine and garage queens (for the most part) then, unlike decades ago where Porsches were run into the ground (in a good way) or have become parts cars, I can’t see out of that 600 that a high percentage would bite the dust and make the model rare. 100 maybe (like manual R’s) but not 600. That is a very high number in the country.

Rarity alone doesn't make anything iconic. It's more about desirability, which the GT4 has lots of hence the sustained value retention.

Does a car have to be rare for it to be iconic? What is the definition anyway? Maybe iconic isn’t the right word… maybe significant is more appropriate? Certainly not related to the fickle topic of values again. Cars that you think about that are significant, they capture the zeitgeist or moment in history, or the exemplify an era or genre. E.g. at a lower level... Golf GTI MK1 Honda Civic Type- R EP3 Focus RS MK1 All could be classed as significant hot hatches....

Twinfan said: Rarity alone doesn't make anything iconic. Guess we have the same train of thought!

TDT said: Twinfan said: Rarity alone doesn't make anything iconic. Guess we have the same train of thought! Yep, definitely!

I'll give an example from Toyota ... The GRMN exists as only 400 manufactured (plus 200 Jap spec) and only 80 in the UK ... The GR-Yaris probably will exist as 3000 in the UK of 25,000 manufactured with possibly a second series to satisfy back orders ... current delivery being May 2022 if you can order one. Which will be the icon of these two (if not both ?). I love my GRMN, but I must try my GR-Yaris ... and may let the GRMN go to do this. At this moment, I think the GR-Yaris will be the icon, even if there may ultimately be 5000 in the UK. Why ? It really is a case of Toyota hitting the nail on the head, everybody loves a folk hero, and for all its capabilities, the GRMN seems not to have captured the imagination of the market. Maybe it will be another M3CSL that was panned at launch and lauded once old .... ??

Is every porsche known to man going to become collectible? I don’t really care

Are not some of the most iconic cars least shouted about early on in their launch? Ie 964 RS was hated by the press and a good one use to be had for a packet of crisps! Personally the only Cayster I see hitting iconic status is the 987Spyder its the modern 356!

GT4P said: Are not some of the most iconic cars least shouted about early on in their launch? Ie 964 RS was hated by the press and a good one use to be had for a packet of crisps! Personally the only Cayster I see hitting iconic status is the 987Spyder its the modern 356! The R will be as iconic as the 987Spyder. Both of them will be far more iconic then the GT4.

CoolHands said: Is every porsche known to man going to become collectible? I don’t really care The simple answer is no so why wast your time posting negativity to those who are interested in the notion ? My 981GT4 is far from standard so I have no skin in this game ... but it is a fabulous car for many more people than a GT3. As for collectability (and they are holding their value very well), I agree that the lightweight and lithe 987 Spyder is truly special (more so than the 981 which is poorer than the 718 Spyder in my view). Then to the question, manual or PDK. For number the PDK is the scarce one ... I know where there is a car with less than 1000 miles on the clock but asking for around £60k ? I owned and tracked a CR/PDK/PCCB ... which I loved, but the 981GT4 is to my mind significantly better ...

ChrisW. said: Then to the question, manual or PDK. For number the PDK is the scarce one ... I know where there is a car with less than 1000 miles on the clock but asking for around £60k ? Seen the car you mention got all excited until I saw it was a PDK, if it was a manual I would have been all over it, treated it as a new car and enjoyed as intended! I think the chap who has done over 100k in his has had the best 'value' than any garage queen and has iconic memories! Never live in the past, don't look to the future but live for now because memories are priceless

Mad Scientist said: I’ve had and enjoyed both GT4 variants. Whilst the 718 was faster, better engine, more competent on track, I think I preferred the 981 for the experience. Especially on the road. I think it’s a future classic for sure, but in the mean time it’s meant to be driven and enjoyed. Interesting commentary.

TDT said: Mad Scientist said: I’ve had and enjoyed both GT4 variants. Whilst the 718 was faster, better engine, more competent on track, I think I preferred the 981 for the experience. Especially on the road. I think it’s a future classic for sure, but in the mean time it’s meant to be driven and enjoyed. Interesting commentary. Indeed I'm the other way and prefer the increased performance and less ragged feel of the 718. It ties in with my dislike of old/older cars whereas others absolutely love them. There's no right or wrong answer, just what's better for you.

I would like to try a 718 but from the reviews I think I would prefer a 981

keo said: I would like to try a 718 but from the reviews I think I would prefer a 981 Don't go by reviews, drive one.

julian987R said: May become iconic in ones mind, but there are far too many of them in existence for the iconic status to mean iconic prices. so if future value is not your angle here then yep probably will, if not already, be iconic to a relatively small audience. Cars don't have to made in small volumes to become iconic cars, in fact many iconic cars were made in volume.

Rare doesn't always equal desirable ie a 987 BE same engine upgrades as R, same spyder wheels etc less manual numbers but £10-15k cheaper. Some of the most iconic Porsches have not been sky high prices from the start ie the 911 club sport it is only in recent years that prices have climbed from lows of £25k but that one is rare also.

julian987R said: GT4P said: Are not some of the most iconic cars least shouted about early on in their launch? Ie 964 RS was hated by the press and a good one use to be had for a packet of crisps! Personally the only Cayster I see hitting iconic status is the 987Spyder its the modern 356! The R will be as iconic as the 987Spyder. Both of them will be far more iconic then the GT4. Not that you're in the slightest bit biased, judging by your username

We've probably got another 40-50 years to wait before we find out the answer..

All depends on future regs. If it becomes really hard to use a combustion car in future, they’ll become very niche toys trailered to the odd event. In which scenario, values will perhaps crater. Barns up and down the country full of snazzy metal, currently. Won’t be worth much if they’re almost impossible to use. But it’s hard to predict. Maybe the shift to electric will be such that there’s no need to ban ICE cars from every town, as the vast majority of cars will already be clean. Of course, if everyone goes electric then even without formal restrictions, fuelling infrastructure for ICE could contract quite dramatically etc Anyway, hard to say what will happen other than factors beyond the GT4’s specific characteristics will have a major role to play.

What is everyone's thoughts on the 981 GT4 now? I love mine and even though I have a 992 GTS as well I will never sell the GT4 but will sell the 992 GTS happily as the Cayman is that good

EvoSid said: What is everyone's thoughts on the 981 GT4 now? I love mine and even though I have a 992 GTS as well I will never sell the GT4 but will sell the 992 GTS happily as the Cayman is that good I bought a 981 gt4 about a month ago and absolutely love it. Completely raw and not like anything else you can buy today imo. My previous Porsche was a 992 gts which I also loved but completely different proposition - more refined, faster and obviously tech. My current practical car is a gr Yaris which I also love to bits. I’ve borrowed my girlfriend’s Audi this weekend to take fishing and I’m absolutely blown away by how dull it is. I suppose I’m spoiled but scared me how I couldn’t go back to a “normal” car. The 981 gt4 is an event to drive and I think it will be seen fondly as time goes by

Holy thread resurrection! Mark 1s are always that little bit more special than mark 2s. Golf gti , lotus cortina etc. The added bonus of 981 gt4 is no gpf and that engine is proven and its short comings can be ironed out. Also rarer than 718 version

GT4P said: Holy thread resurrection! Mark 1s are always that little bit more special than mark 2s. Golf gti , lotus cortina etc. Not always. Ref 991.1 v 991.2 GT3 as just one example of many.

GT4P said: Also rarer than 718 version Virtual parity in manual numbers.

av185 said: Not always. Ref 991.1 v 991.2 GT3 as just one example of many. The 991.1 wasn’t the first GT3

av185 said: GT4P said: Also rarer than 718 version Virtual parity in manual numbers. Figures numbers registered UK/Global production?

keo said: I would like to try a 718 but from the reviews I think I would prefer a 981 Considering this thread was resurected, I had a 981 GT4. Found it very dull and boring and sold it not long after!

GT4P said: av185 said: Not always. Ref 991.1 v 991.2 GT3 as just one example of many. The 991.1 wasn’t the first GT3 Clearly..... but it was the 'mark 1' of the 991 generation which rather disproves your point. Having owned both... whilst the gen 1 was a good package the gen 2 was far better and not just because of its way superior effectively 'Cup car' engine which went on to grace the 992 GT3 and 4RS/SRS.

No it doesn’t! The mk1 Golf Gti was completely different model to the mk2 and not just a face lift , likewise the lotus cortina unlike 991gt3

Goater2 said: I bought a 981 gt4 about a month ago and absolutely love it. Completely raw and not like anything else you can buy today imo. My previous Porsche was a 992 gts which I also loved but completely different proposition - more refined, faster and obviously tech. My current practical car is a gr Yaris which I also love to bits. I’ve borrowed my girlfriend’s Audi this weekend to take fishing and I’m absolutely blown away by how dull it is. I suppose I’m spoiled but scared me how I couldn’t go back to a “normal” car. The 981 gt4 is an event to drive and I think it will be seen fondly as time goes by I couldn't agree more. I've had my 981 GT4 almost 6 years now, and my love of it has only ever grown. In that time I've run a few cars alongside it. A Toyota GT86, then a base 718 Cayman 2.0, and most recently a 718 Cayman GTS 4.0. The GT4 has been used as a daily commute apart from December - March, and I've typically done one or two track days a year in it. I was expecting to keep the 981 GT4 for 15-20 years rather than 6, but that has changed recently. All 3 of the cars I've run alongside are objectively better in almost every way. The 4.0 GTS is without doubt faster, and has a lot more low end torque. Amusingly the GT4 is a tiny bit better on fuel, has bigger brakes, and so I'm not sure the 4.0 GTS will turn out to be as good for a full track day because of that. Toyota GT86 and 718 Cayman base model were both just superb road cars in their own ways, and very difficult to fault for fulfilling their intended purpose. But objectivity put to one side, the 981 GT4 has been my favourite of any of them to drive. In fact just to own in general - I just love everything about it. I even enjoy washing it, I think mainly because it's a better looking car than any of the others. Not that the others aren't good, the 981 GT4 somehow has more animal magnetism, character, and seldom fails to put a grin on my face. "Event to drive" is one way of putting it. For me, making sure it's properly shod and ready for a track day is like preparing for an epic adventure. It never fails to wear out the "smiling muscles" getting to the track, getting round the track, and getting home again. Hopping in it to get to work, or back home again, as @Goater2 says, somehow feels like an event. I have a massive quandary on my hands now, in the shape of a new GT4 RS currently being built. I only really have garage space for 2 cars, so I am trying to be sensible, keep the GTS 4.0, and sell the 981 GT4. And I fear it's going to break my heart, because deep down, I very much doubt I'll ever get as much pleasure from owning a specific car again. 2 thoughts that come from all this: 1. My gut feel is that the 981 GT4 might become a collectable choice in future. I've driven a 718 GT4 in manual with similar Club Sport bits to mine. They are more refined, and definitely faster. But the way a car tugs at the heart strings probably has a lot to do with future desirability. 2. This GT4 RS had better be good! For all the superior power, grip and technology, the 981 GT4 is going to be a very tough act to follow. Liam

The pricing needs to stabilise - seems all over the place There is one with 20,000miles all the trimmings £54K ... and another, same spec and miles, at £66K... then another with just 500 miles at £69K. Across the board, seems Ceramic Brakes don't make the price higher. It all feels very hit and hope the prices. But yes I can see it being a future icon in perhaps 20 years when, like the 944T, most have been chavved up and driven to death out of warranty .. and the gems will be highly sought after.

I think the 981 GT4 appeal is slowly coming back. Some evidence yesterday- parked in the Porsche car park at Goodwood FOS I had my Racing Yellow GT4 there and I was very surprised how many people were looking at it- asking me questions about it when I was there. This is in context of a) being the only 981 GT4 there and b) being surrounded by much more expensive Porsche machinery. What I find really enjoyable about the GT4 is you can really "push" the car without doing crazy speeds- great feeling of satisfaction doing country lanes briskly- and the size of it means it just wraps around you. I too have a dilemma in that it is likely going to be traded in against a 4RS Spyder I have coming in October... sad times.

I have always maintained on here (other threads)in the past/present that the 981Gt4 will be more sort after than the 718 version in the future but perhaps another 5 years or so , but by then good examples will be harder to find. Edited by GT4P on Saturday 13th July 08:11

981 Prices are dropping for the higher mile cars but there seems to be quite a few 'higher priced' cars coming up for sale. The 718 cars seem to have hit 70k price point and aren't dropping. There's a 981 CS car up for £60k that looks ideal but it's sat around since April, does anyone know the car?

R33FAL said: What I find really enjoyable about the GT4 is you can really "push" the car without doing crazy speeds- great feeling of satisfaction doing country lanes briskly- and the size of it means it just wraps around you. Really? How so in a GT4? If I "push" my base 981C 2.7 I'm doing crazy speeds. I've thought for a while now, on today's roads, that driving satisfaction is at the inverse of power. I drove a Smart courtesy car recently from an indy and although shockingly bad it became very satisfying to drive well, and fast. When I say fast, I'm not sure it could break the speed limit. When I say well, I mean keeping it on the road! I don't hanker after a faster car. No advantage.

DJMC said: R33FAL said: What I find really enjoyable about the GT4 is you can really "push" the car without doing crazy speeds- great feeling of satisfaction doing country lanes briskly- and the size of it means it just wraps around you. Really? How so in a GT4? If I "push" my base 981C 2.7 I'm doing crazy speeds. I've thought for a while now, on today's roads, that driving satisfaction is at the inverse of power. I drove a Smart courtesy car recently from an indy and although shockingly bad it became very satisfying to drive well, and fast. When I say fast, I'm not sure it could break the speed limit. When I say well, I mean keeping it on the road! I don't hanker after a faster car. No advantage. Suppose it all depends on perspective. I have a 991.2 GT3 as well and whilst it “only” has 110-ish hp more (and 90 more kg), and that just gets ridiculous very quickly on public roads. You can only push the throttle down for seconds at a time meanwhile with the 981 GT4 you can enjoy the rev out for way longer (maybe the “controversial” longer gearing actually helps! )

KittyLitter said: The pricing needs to stabilise - seems all over the place There is one with 20,000miles all the trimmings £54K ... and another, same spec and miles, at £66K... then another with just 500 miles at £69K. Across the board, seems Ceramic Brakes don't make the price higher. It all feels very hit and hope the prices. But yes I can see it being a future icon in perhaps 20 years when, like the 944T, most have been chavved up and driven to death out of warranty .. and the gems will be highly sought after. The £54k one lacks Club Sport and climate control, and is being sold by a commercial vehicle dealer. There is definitely some logic to it all. Club Sport with cage, carbon seats and harnesses adds a premium. Lack of leather/alcantara interior reduces the value. Ceramic brakes likely won't increase value on cars of this age, as they might increase future servicing costs considerably. Service history, or lack of, can also make a difference. And of course some of them will be sold with a transferrable Porsche warranty, which I doubt you get for £54k. The state of the tyres (£1400 for Cup 2 a few weeks ago) and brakes (£3600 for me last year for discs, pads and sensors) also need bearing in mind. These are 8 year old cars, and rather than prices stabilising, the ones that have been cared for will carry a higher premium than the ones that were spec'ed well, but abused. I'll bet there are cars out there that never even ended up with the replacement gearboxes that were fitted FOC around 2019. A failure of one of those outside warranty could be an expensive proposition. I think the gems are already highly sought after! Liam

What’s is this replacement gearbox you speak of?

bosshog said: What’s is this replacement gearbox you speak of? GT4 gearbox recall https://www.porscheclubgb.com/forum/threads/gt4-ge...

The ealry GT4s weren't affected as they had splined synchros on their 3rd gear as opposed to welded ones. Rennlist has a good sticky on GT4/Spyder subforum covering the topic as it emerged.

KittyLitter said: The pricing needs to stabilise - seems all over the place There is one with 20,000miles all the trimmings £54K ... and another, same spec and miles, at £66K... then another with just 500 miles at £69K. Across the board, seems Ceramic Brakes don't make the price higher. It all feels very hit and hope the prices. But yes I can see it being a future icon in perhaps 20 years when, like the 944T, most have been chavved up and driven to death out of warranty .. and the gems will be highly sought after. That car has literally no trimmings. No carbon, no ext leather, no ext Alcantara, no sport chrono, base colour, it doesn't even have climate control or cruise control! Not to mention no Porsche warranty which also means it'll need an inspection really. No PPF, no mention of OPC history. A car with OPC history/warranty and recent brakes is worth 3-5k more for identical spec. It took me ages to find my car with actually all the trimmings and it was worth paying more for, why bother getting a 'cheap one' when a top spec with history and warranty is only 5-10 grand more.

So drivers spec, not sit in a garage being polished, occasional drive out to Cars ‘n Coffee, hope it’ll increase in value/“investor” spec. Counterpoint : Why pay £5-10k more when the basic mechanical spec is identical and provides exactly the same driving experience ?

Weren't 964 RS's etc pretty light on 'trimmings' too

Slippydiff said: So drivers spec, not sit in a garage being polished, occasional drive out to Cars ‘n Coffee, hope it’ll increase in value/“investor” spec. Counterpoint : Why pay £5-10k more when the basic mechanical spec is identical and provides exactly the same driving experience ? Go sit in one with no spec and one with all the full leather, chrome etc., it is a world apart in how special it feels trust me.

Just done 3000 miles across Europe in mine, it doesn’t have a leather dash, it was epic.

Chrisatronic said: Slippydiff said: So drivers spec, not sit in a garage being polished, occasional drive out to Cars ‘n Coffee, hope it’ll increase in value/“investor” spec. Counterpoint : Why pay £5-10k more when the basic mechanical spec is identical and provides exactly the same driving experience ? Go sit in one with no spec and one with all the full leather, chrome etc., it is a world apart in how special it feels trust me. How about you go drive a 964 RS or a 996 GT3 Clubsport and experience the cars that defined the modern GT genre. I drove GT 911’s for over 16 years, and the nonsense you’ve posted about a few bits of chrome and carbon fibre trim, contrast stitching, some dead cow skin stretched over the seats, dashboard and doors and Sport Chrono etc, is becoming increasingly tedious, because ultimately what makes a Porsche GT special is not its trim, it’s the hardware that sets it apart from the equivalent Base, an S or a GTS model. The “hardware” is identical, and for owners who actually buy a GT Porsche for its driving dynamics, rather than worrying about its future resale value, kudos at Cars and Coffee events and wanting levels of luxury formerly seen in executive saloons, that’s what matters. The only caveat to that would be choice of seats, as Comfort seats in a GT4RS would be an ill-advised choice IF bought by someone who intends using it in the manner it’s maker intended.

Couldn’t agree more. 👏🏻

I've had my 981 GT4 with Clubsport spec for just over four years now. It took me nine months to find this car when I bought it in February 2020 as I wanted one that had all options bar PCCB's which I didn't want. I have considered a 991.2 GT3 but I can't justify the extra expense and I would have to finance the cost to change which I do not want to do. I will likely never sell the 981 GT4 as to me it's everything I need and thankfully I own it outright. My car has also covered 33,200 miles as it's used and I don't worry about mileage, it's OPC FSH and I still maintain the OPC warranty and will do as long as I can. Edited by Andy OH on Tuesday 16th July 10:31

Andy OH said: I've had my 981 GT4 with Clubsport spec for just over four years now. It took me nine months to find this car when I bought it in February 2020 as I wanted one that had all options bar PCCB's which I didn't want. I have considered a 991.2 GT3 but I can't justify the extra expense and I would have to finance the cost to change which I do not want to do. I will likely never sell the 981 GT4 as to me it's everything I need and thankfully I own it outright. My car has also covered 33,200 miles as it's used and I don't worry about mileage, it's OPC FSH and I still maintain the OPC warranty and will do as long as I can. Edited by Andy OH on Tuesday 16th July 10:31 Interesting points. I regrettably sold my 2018 18 991.2 GT3 manual CS/ceramics to a fellow enthusiast PHer in May 23 which I had owned from new and decided to keep my 718 GT4 manual (specced and owned from new btw) which imo is around 85% of the GT3 for around 55% of the money. Can't see me selling the GT4 tbh for a while yet as it is such a great package for the money and look forward to running it alongside a new 4RS.

plynchy said: Just done 3000 miles across Europe in mine, it doesn’t have a leather dash, it was epic. Sounds as if it has been put to good use. Where have you been and I bet you've got a cool photo or 2 to share.

Road trip with my daughter pre-uni. France, Italy, Austria, Germany, France. Finished off with a couple of days in London and a trip to the FoS. Epic trip, not the first one I’ve done, and the car was faultless, even with the buckets. Grossglockner pass was incredible, has to be on any petrolhead bucket list.

plynchy said: Road trip with my daughter pre-uni. France, Italy, Austria, Germany, France. Finished off with a couple of days in London and a trip to the FoS. Fabulous building. Was it for a PCP complaint?

That took a while…

For me no, i'd have the 718gt4 over the 981, mostly because of continuous improvement and a pdk box allows me to use the upper part of the rev range a little more often. The best boxster/Cayman models in my experience are not necessarily the GT model they work best as the underdog. Same story on the road it's 90% of the car for 50% of the cost and the gt4rs is just not the car I wanted it to be.

Lovely PTS one listed today https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202408052...

I think the GT4 will always be in the shade by comparison to the GT3 ... Yes it has advantages but it was always held back by Porsche ... and the only Porsche Icon must be an Iconic Porsche ... not one that was hobbled from the start. As the GT4RS still is. Will the last of the 944 Turbo S be an icon ? maybe ... Will any electric Porsche be an Icon ?? Will any electric car be an Icon ? BMW i3 ?? Maybe we need a cool-wall post ?

Icon doesn’t always equal cool car, but the 981 will always be an icon over 718 version because less of them, no gpf, manual only and of course it was the first(including spyder) to given the big engine restricted to the 911. If they never made the 981Gt4 we wouldn’t have the 4 RS

GT4P said: Icon doesn’t always equal cool car, but the 981 will always be an icon over 718 version because less of them, no gpf, manual only and of course it was the first(including spyder) to given the big engine restricted to the 911. If they never made the 981Gt4 we wouldn’t have the 4 RS 100% agree with this.

GT4P said: 981 GT4 was the first(including spyder) to be given the non GT Porsche engine restricted to the 911. Efa

av185 said: Efa You could argue it’s the engine in the club sport car! But whatever it is still first cayster to be allowed to step on 911 toes

85 miles.... https://www.paul-stephens.com/sales/2015-porsche-9...

That will be over 80k I reckon

Delivery mileage lol. Never had a new Porsche GT or any new Porsche for that matter with over 14 miles delivery mileage.

Youforreal. said: That will be over 80k I reckon And some. He always wants absurd prices for cars

Guys - how willing are Porsche dealers to offer test drives? I’ve never sat in a GT4 let alone drive one, but I want/need this before taking the jump. I’ll be swapping from my current Caterham 170, which is just a little too impractical for my liking. I’m fine with a hard ride and noisy engine, but longing for a proper roof so I can drive year round. I’d be going for a manual and probably an early 19/20 plate as budget is tight. I don’t need fancy paint or any options really. There’s a decent looking one in white for £68k on Porsche approved if anyone knows its history?

nammynake said: Guys - how willing are Porsche dealers to offer test drives? I’ve never sat in a GT4 let alone drive one, but I want/need this before taking the jump. I’ll be swapping from my current Caterham 170, which is just a little too impractical for my liking. I’m fine with a hard ride and noisy engine, but longing for a proper roof so I can drive year round. I’d be going for a manual and probably an early 19/20 plate as budget is tight. I don’t need fancy paint or any options really. There’s a decent looking one in white for £68k on Porsche approved if anyone knows its history? Have the test drive and see what you think. I really regret getting a GT4 instead of a Caterham now.

Fortunate to have a 718 GT4 manual & a Caterham 420R, love them both, Caterham definitely a more raw fun driving experience, if we go out for a ride out in the countryside it’s the keys to the Caterham we pick up on most occasions. Having said that the GT4 is a lot of fun & far more practical, can even fit a weeks shop in the boot much more at home on a motorway through Europe than the Caterham. As above you need to try a GT4, see what you think

My Guards red manual 21 model only 5k miles buckets ext leather carbon red stitching chrono climate red belts red top marker sat platinum wheels etc etc good spec will be going soon got a new 4RS coming. FPSH and Porsche warranty dry summer weekend road use only never tracked mint original condition garaged from new and 1 owner myself from new.

718 Gt4 now under £70k at OPC must be high 50s trade now for early cars. Parity now with 981 Gt4! https://finder.porsche.com/gb/en-GB/details/porsch...

av185 said: White poverty spec 15k mile comfort seat car still over list though. Over list? Did they not start at£70k ish plus there’s £3k+ of extras? Less than 4k annual mileage, 2 year warranty? Not everyone wants buckets so great car to use! But still under £70k in OPC so trade would have been high 50s! So any car priced over £90k now is overpriced no matter what spec, even the PTS cars have dropped recently by £5k and £10k!

White poverty spec 15k mile comfort seat car priced at c basic list though. Edited by av185 on Saturday 10th August 09:59

Just noticed that car has the horrific placcy dash doors and central console. No climate either. No wonder its cheap ££. A hard sell indeed.

av185 said: Just noticed that car has the horrific placcy dash doors and central console. No climate either. No wonder its cheap ££. A hard sell indeed. I thought I was harsh on how a gt4 drives! I wasn’t bothered about a plastic dash although mine was a pretty good spec.

GT4P said: 718 Gt4 now under £70k at OPC must be high 50s trade now for early cars. Parity now with 981 Gt4! https://finder.porsche.com/gb/en-GB/details/porsch... It’s not the first to be priced below 70k retail. Looking at the volume for sale I would say very slow 70k now buys you a nice usable manual / lower spec car if you look hard enough. What a great buy for 70k Edited by GT4RS on Saturday 10th August 11:20

Top retail price for 718 gt4 ie late reg (2023)low miles (>3k) good spec has to be about £87/88k

Presumably in your statement you are conveniently forgetting the orange GT4 which sold in July for £95k in a matter of hours.......

How do you know how much it sold for ? That was an unused delivery miles car so basically a brand new PTS CS for £95k not bad. But what about the lightly used Norgaro Blue that’s gone from £105k to £95k and still unsold. There are number of late cars approaching or under £90k. One Opc has a late(23)low miles (>1.5k)CS for £92k that’s been up for weeks now so needs to drop below £90k to sell. Coming to end of buying season so prices will drop further as we move to autumn/winter. IMHO this winter will be a bonanza for getting a fantastic bargain of a deal on a Porsche.

GT4P said: How do you know how much it sold for ? Selling hours after being reduced to £95k is usually a sure indication it sold at or around AP. You claimed there were no £100k+ GT4s but heres one from just a basic initial search!

That needs to drop about £10k to sell minimum!

https://finder.porsche.com/gb/en-GB/details/porsch... This is much nicer , lower miles and £5k+ cheaper! Was £10k more not so long ago, dropped £5k and now another £5k and probably another few k to sell.

Lots of talk about comfort seats being the poor option and less sought after than buckets. Personally I really don’t like the buckets because they are too upright for me so I would only purchase one with sports seats. I’m sure I’m not alone on that front.

av185 said: GT4P said: How do you know how much it sold for ? Selling hours after being reduced to £95k is usually a sure indication it sold at or around AP. You claimed there were no £100k+ GT4s but heres one from just a basic initial search! Way over priced and a ghastly colour. I think to sell that you’re talking £15-20k below asking. Personally I wouldn’t purchase it at £30k less as it’s not my style and it would be difficult to flip for profit even at £70k.

GT4P said: Top retail price for 718 gt4 ie late reg (2023)low miles (>3k) good spec has to be about £87/88k Agree. I recently saw my old 2022 shark blue, pdk, buckets, extended leather etc car with only 2700 miles on the clock being sold for 82k by the OPC I originally sold it to! Shocked to see it priced so low already, looked great value considering its age, pdk and spec. I originally paid 94k when new, I’m guessing trade on this car now must be 70k at best at a OPC today. Can’t be many people still willing to drop 90k plus on a second hand 718 gt4. These early 718 gt4 cars are starting to look great value now they are popping up in the 60k bracket.

https://www.alexandersprestige.co.uk/vehicle/2023-...

PTS Olso Blue, lovely colour https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202406170...

ChrisW. said: I also like it ... Porsche would have charged a fortune for those ... very classic Thank you. It was my homage to my first ever Porsche GT car, a black 924CarreraGT. I loved the script on the front OS wing. So it meant a lot to me and bugger all to everybody else Edited by bigmowley on Thursday 24th April 18:08

martin mrt said: If you pull that off for 50k it’s a bargain!! Relatively speaking I’m still on the hunt for one, I’m not overly fussed if it’s a Clubsport, I want buckets, preferably cruise and a decent infotainment set up as I plan using it as much as possible in the nicer weather and we have a euro trip planned for August check on my current ad on here.. buckets, cruise, Bose and apple CarPlay module...

isleofthorns said: martin mrt said: If you pull that off for 50k it’s a bargain!! Relatively speaking I’m still on the hunt for one, I’m not overly fussed if it’s a Clubsport, I want buckets, preferably cruise and a decent infotainment set up as I plan using it as much as possible in the nicer weather and we have a euro trip planned for August check on my current ad on here.. buckets, cruise, Bose and apple CarPlay module... What's next?

Jones the cat said: One of the cheapest, if not the cheapest, is on eBay of all places. Immaculate with PCCB's https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/326540393453 Looks like YouTuber Stef ABtv might have just bought this. He’s done a video about it. Same spec and he mentions harnesses. Perhaps with re-painted wheels and cage!?

No ceramics but now that the blue one sold, this has cropped up as the cheapest CS one. Seems well cared for and well presented. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/335903401256

They do look nice in white but needed a new gearbox at 35k miles? Something for the PTS fanciers… https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/18197398

PRO5T said: They do look nice in white but needed a new gearbox at 35k miles? Late recall job possibly?

plynchy said: PRO5T said: They do look nice in white but needed a new gearbox at 35k miles? Late recall job possibly? Was that a thing? The GT4 market is very interesting from an £85k super whiz bang PDK paint to sample bit of loveliness down to a £55k 981 bottom of the market club sport. The two cars are so similar but feel very different, I much preferred the engine in the 718 but the 981 had a certain “raw” (some would argue old fashioned!) feel to the chassis that reminded me of my 996 GT3.

PRO5T said: but the 981 had a certain “raw” (some would argue old fashioned!) feel to the chassis that reminded me of my 996 GT3. This is why I think it will have enduring appeal over the 718 and ultimately be more sort after! Modern P cars are so sanitised, the last P car I drove was a 992.1 GTS and it left me cold

PRO5T said: Was that a thing? Yes, recall for gearbox issues on some cars, entire thing was replaced. Mine's exempt from it apparently.

Yep some not all 981 GT4s and Spyders had the gearboxes replaced via official recall..... but neither of mine did.

3rd gear issue?

More likely to be the wearing of the pinion. Over time and with heat/usage the coating the gearbox casing breakdown comes loose in the gearbox causing wear on the pinion. Some cars that are heavily tracked see this early - others with less heavy usage might see it later... c35k miles and 10years old is plausible Porsche do not repair gearboxes... they just replace the whole unit. Occasion visual inspection is recommended for manual cars and frequent transmission oil changes (depends on usage but minimum annually if car is used on track or with your engine oil change) to ensure that any loose material is flushed with a fluid change.

TDT said: More likely to be the wearing of the pinion. Over time and with heat/usage the coating the gearbox casing breakdown comes loose in the gearbox causing wear on the pinion. Some cars that are heavily tracked see this early - others with less heavy usage might see it later... c35k miles and 10years old is plausible Porsche do not repair gearboxes... they just replace the whole unit. Occasion visual inspection is recommended for manual cars and frequent transmission oil changes (depends on usage but minimum annually if car is used on track or with your engine oil change) to ensure that any loose material is flushed with a fluid change. Any idea the correct OEM gearbox oil part number for a manual 981 gt4 is? I’ve getting conflicting numbers, ps any other recommendations other than oem as well?

from Rennlist two days ago in GT4/Spyder forum: After much research and many calls to Porsche Dealerships across the county, I was informed that the proper Gearbox oil for the 981 GT4 (2016) is currently 000 043 305 00. The original was 000 043 204 19 -> followed by 000 043 305 48 -> followed by 000 043 305 00. I called 5 Porsche dealerships and they indicated that 000 043 305 00 supersedes 000 043 305 48 and confirmed the part number by VIN. It comes in 20 liter containers but the dealership will sell it in 1 liter increments; just bring in your own containers. I confirmed this part number with a number of Porsche dealerships across the county. Hopefully if you are getting ready to change the fluid in your GT4 this information will help. It was very confusing to see so many differs posts online with different Porsche part numbers. I know that there are a number of other vendors who sell gear oil and they have great reputations and their stuff is probably fine but I truly wanted to use Porsche stuff. Just thought I would share this information. Thanks RPM would change my gear oil annually and use Mobil LS 75/90 Delvac per their invoice.

This one looks good, listed today https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/18484154

Just driven 300+ miles in mine today from Aberdeen to Teesside, via Braemar/Glenshee. What a road, and what a car. Any more power would be a total waste, and on most U.K. roads in all honesty. 4 years into ownership, and can’t think of anything to replace it without going into stupid money, fantastic thing. If you’re thinking of buying one, do it.

Snowy999 said: from Rennlist two days ago in GT4/Spyder forum: After much research and many calls to Porsche Dealerships across the county, I was informed that the proper Gearbox oil for the 981 GT4 (2016) is currently 000 043 305 00. The original was 000 043 204 19 -> followed by 000 043 305 48 -> followed by 000 043 305 00. I called 5 Porsche dealerships and they indicated that 000 043 305 00 supersedes 000 043 305 48 and confirmed the part number by VIN. It comes in 20 liter containers but the dealership will sell it in 1 liter increments; just bring in your own containers. I confirmed this part number with a number of Porsche dealerships across the county. Hopefully if you are getting ready to change the fluid in your GT4 this information will help. It was very confusing to see so many differs posts online with different Porsche part numbers. I know that there are a number of other vendors who sell gear oil and they have great reputations and their stuff is probably fine but I truly wanted to use Porsche stuff. Just thought I would share this information. Thanks RPM would change my gear oil annually and use Mobil LS 75/90 Delvac per their invoice. Much appreciated thank you

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PRO5T said: They do look nice in white but needed a new gearbox at 35k miles? Something for the PTS fanciers… https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/18197398 Or this PTS Mexico Blue listed today w ceramics https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202505092...

what a cracking spec, lovely!

Jones the cat said: PRO5T said: They do look nice in white but needed a new gearbox at 35k miles? Something for the PTS fanciers… https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/18197398 Or this PTS Mexico Blue listed today w ceramics https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202505092... This was sold recently through one of the specialist auction places. I believe that it was Iconic Auctioneers. Surprised that it is back on the market so quickly.

AAAndy said: This was sold recently through one of the specialist auction places. I believe that it was Iconic Auctioneers. Surprised that it is back on the market so quickly. Iconic had it at race retro in February but it did not sell https://www.iconicauctioneers.com/2016-porsche-cay...

Another Mexico Blue! https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/18519733

I don't mind it but Mexico Blue isn't worth that premium and especially not with the service history.

…so rare that the colour comes up for sale on a GT4 twice in quick succession? Is it me, or do those blues look different on the 2 cars? The most recent looks more like Miami blue.

Looks like Miami to me as well

Very honest ad concerning Porsche not being willing to warrant the car presumably due to the service history. Rarely specced leather wheel (and gearlever) same as my new 981 GT4 reg late 2015 DC65 BZJ.

AFAIK Miami wasn't available on the 981 only the 2019 718 GT4 as an optional extra.

av185 said: Very honest ad concerning Porsche not being willing to warrant the car presumably due to the service history. Rarely specced leather wheel (and gearlever) same as my new 981 GT4 reg late 2015 DC65 BZJ. Yes, it does seem that the ad is aiming to be as honest as possible and obviously in sad circumstances. Maybe there is a little confusion with the colour. The ad discusses it being PTS, but also that the colour has now been discontinued. It’ll no doubt be a lovely car for someone.

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Ive just emailed the seller about the Mecxicio blue one see what reply I get, but agree its way to expensive as it is - having lost both my parents recently its a life changing experience thats for sure and suprising how it changes you.

Sorry about your dad Cemo, looks a nice car and good luck with your sale.

cemo said: Hi, I am the seller of the Mexico blue GT4 which belonged to my late father (plate ending KJJ). In the interests of transparency, please see below what I emailed misterkevlar: "I can confirm the car is definitely Mexico Blue - as confirmed by RPM Technik. Porsche refused warranty because they insisted that I had to be the registered keeper for a minimum of 3 months (some arbitrary condition imposed by their warranty underwriter apparently). That was the only issue - nothing to do with the gaps in service/MOT. At the time I didn't realise that RPM Technik would have the car for over a month (they wheel refurb company they used were extremely backed up apparently...), and Porsche's inability/unwillingness to give me a sound explanation as to why they would refuse warranty based on my not being the registered keeper for 3 months was reason enough for me to look elsewhere - just on principle. RPM Technik wanted to sell the car on my behalf (feel free to speak to Joe Allard for confirmation) - they can vouch for the car as they done extensive work on it, but I feel their commission is just too high. If the car doesn't sell in the next couple of months or so, then I will try my luck with Carwow. I just sold dad's Toyota GR Yaris FOUR for a very, very respectable price - having not been able to shift it on PH. With respect, I stand by everything I've written in the ad (including the price) and challenge anyone to find a nicer example. People need to look past the gaps in the history - they need to see it in the flesh, and take a passenger ride with me to see it's tight as a nut and worth every penny of the asking. All things considered, I believe the price is fair and there's very little wiggle room in there. The colour alone makes it much more desirable than other 981 GT4s, and indeed, 718 GT4s! £50K is frankly an insult lol! (To confirm, misterkevlar did not offer for me £50k! He simply wondered if that was the kind of figure that I'd been offered by dealers). Kind regards," Edited by cemo on Thursday 22 May 09:46 Thanks for the reply and yes I didnt offer 50k! I guess its about that on motorway etc I recently looked at another locally and i know thats what they were offered and that cars mid 50's privately now and still unsold. Just replied to you privately i saw the pistonheads post first. Edited by misterkevlar on Thursday 22 May 10:20

Cemo that is one really lovely car , condolences and good luck with the sale

cemo said: Hi, I am the seller of the Mexico blue GT4 which belonged to my late father (plate ending KJJ). In the interests of transparency, please see below what I emailed misterkevlar: "I can confirm the car is definitely Mexico Blue - as confirmed by RPM Technik. Porsche refused warranty because they insisted that I had to be the registered keeper for a minimum of 3 months (some arbitrary condition imposed by their warranty underwriter apparently). That was the only issue - nothing to do with the gaps in service/MOT. At the time I didn't realise that RPM Technik would have the car for over a month (they wheel refurb company they used were extremely backed up apparently...), and Porsche's inability/unwillingness to give me a sound explanation as to why they would refuse warranty based on my not being the registered keeper for 3 months was reason enough for me to look elsewhere - just on principle. RPM Technik wanted to sell the car on my behalf (feel free to speak to Joe Allard for confirmation) - they can vouch for the car as they done extensive work on it, but I feel their commission is just too high. If the car doesn't sell in the next couple of months or so, then I will try my luck with Carwow. I just sold dad's Toyota GR Yaris FOUR for a very, very respectable price - having not been able to shift it on PH. With respect, I stand by everything I've written in the ad (including the price) and challenge anyone to find a nicer example. People need to look past the gaps in the history - they need to see it in the flesh, and take a passenger ride with me to see it's tight as a nut and worth every penny of the asking. All things considered, I believe the price is fair and there's very little wiggle room in there. The colour alone makes it much more desirable than other 981 GT4s, and indeed, 718 GT4s! £50K is frankly an insult lol! (To confirm, misterkevlar did not offer for me £50k! He simply wondered if that was the kind of figure that I'd been offered by dealers). Kind regards," Edited by cemo on Thursday 22 May 09:46 Seems to be to be a great advert for what is a lovely car, so all the best with the sale and very sorry to hear about your father's passing .

Thank you for the kind words all, much appreciated Edited by cemo on Thursday 22 May 23:52

Hi, I am the seller of the Mexico blue GT4 which belonged to my late father (plate ending KJJ). In the interests of transparency, please see below what I emailed misterkevlar: "I can confirm the car is definitely Mexico Blue - as confirmed by RPM Technik. Porsche refused warranty because they insisted that I had to be the registered keeper for a minimum of 3 months (some arbitrary condition imposed by their warranty underwriter apparently). That was the only issue - nothing to do with the gaps in service/MOT. At the time I didn't realise that RPM Technik would have the car for over a month (they wheel refurb company they used were extremely backed up apparently...), and Porsche's inability/unwillingness to give me a sound explanation as to why they would refuse warranty based on my not being the registered keeper for 3 months was reason enough for me to look elsewhere - just on principle. RPM Technik wanted to sell the car on my behalf (feel free to speak to Joe Allard for confirmation) - they can vouch for the car as they done extensive work on it, but I feel their commission is just too high. If the car doesn't sell in the next couple of months or so, then I will try my luck with Carwow. I just sold dad's Toyota GR Yaris FOUR for a very, very respectable price - having not been able to shift it on PH. With respect, I stand by everything I've written in the ad (including the price) and challenge anyone to find a nicer example. People need to look past the gaps in the history - they need to see it in the flesh, and take a passenger ride with me to see it's tight as a drum and worth every penny of the asking. All things considered, I believe the price is fair and there's very little wiggle room in there. The colour alone makes it much more desirable than other 981 GT4s, and indeed, 718 GT4s! £50K is frankly an insult lol!" * To confirm, misterkevlar did not offer for me £50k! He simply wondered if that was the kind of figure that I'd been offered by dealers) Edited by cemo on Thursday 22 May 09:46 Edited by cemo on Friday 23 May 14:22

With these now approaching 10 yrs has anyone replaced control arms etc with anything other than OE from Porsche? I'll be looking to replace worn parts over the coming year (no knocking at present) so wondering if I just stick with OE and warranty compliance or look to after market at half the cost! Not looking for any upgrades tbh just best option re longevity and quality. Anyone have any advice on what and where?

Just completed another 3k miles Euro road trip in mine, still a fantastic thing to throw up/down various mountain passes and completely behaves itself on the boring Autoroute/Autobahn runs. Needed nothing but fuel during the run. What a car.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXZZbN_4e0s Great vid and they both sound great, reviewer got this spot on.

1 of 1 unicorn https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/19574129

Jones the cat said: 1 of 1 unicorn https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/19574129 Unusual colour but not sure the comfort seats and 44k miles will add to the attraction at that price

Jones the cat said: 1 of 1 unicorn https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/19574129 Wrong seats and wrong brakes with high mileage. Honestly, the colour may be rare but there’s a reason, it is navy blue and really doesn’t do the shape any favours.

Esquire said: Unusual colour but not sure the comfort seats and 44k miles will add to the attraction at that price That's my car! It all depends what one wants - if you're after a Clubsport track car with all the associated rattles then it won't appeal. For a road car, it's been brilliant. Lots are coming out of the woodwork with 40+k miles on them, it's just a 911 CS at heart after all. The market is a buoyant at the moment and it's in line with other cars around that mileage. Colour wise, we all like different things! This was my favourite one for a GT4.

Nice to see a car being used instead of the usual garage queens. Have you owned the car from new ? If so would nice to know about the ownership experiences

I like the colour and the silver wheels look really good.

keo said: I like the colour and the silver wheels look really good. I agree ... is 4500 miles per annum now high mileage ?? If a solid service history and in good physical shape now I would say not ... Not everybody likes the bucket seats and the 981 GT4 is such a good sports car ... even seeing off the 991.1 GT3RS in the EVO car of the year 2015 ...

Jezzah said: That's my car! It all depends what one wants - if you're after a Clubsport track car with all the associated rattles then it won't appeal. For a road car, it's been brilliant. Lots are coming out of the woodwork with 40+k miles on them, it's just a 911 CS at heart after all. The market is a buoyant at the moment and it's in line with other cars around that mileage. Colour wise, we all like different things! This was my favourite one for a GT4. Oops sorry didn't mean to appear rude, and as you say not everyone wants uncomfortable buckets . Like I said the colour is lovely . GLWS Actually just seen full OPC history and warranty so cracking car. Edited by Esquire on Thursday 11th December 19:20

ChrisW. said: keo said: I like the colour and the silver wheels look really good. I agree ... is 4500 miles per annum now high mileage ?? If a solid service history and in good physical shape now I would say not ... Not everybody likes the bucket seats and the 981 GT4 is such a good sports car ... even seeing off the 991.1 GT3RS in the EVO car of the year 2015 ... Generally, it’s not the mileage per year, Chris; it’s the overall mileage and the perceived increase during ownership that people gauge by (well, I do). You’re right, 4500 miles a year is bugger all. Regarding seats, I flip-flopped so much, but ultimately hesitated on the buckets only because they’re not ideal for longer trips compared to the comfort. Ultimately, though, the buckets are a part of the experience of ownership and a necessity if a weekend car, IMHO. The 981 is a great car, and this example looks in good condition, so no offence intended to the owner (as I see you’ve replied), for me, the colour is a bit muted, but it’s a personal preference thing at the end of the day.

No offence taken at all chaps! The standard OPC suggestions when speccing a car are always buckets and so on and for a weekend special or track car then great. I've taken this on trips and used it as a daily..ish. Heated 18 ways are super comfortable (my back isn't the finest) and really round the car off for certain use cases. In the world of 120 / 180 / 200,000 mile 981 GT4s this is just about run in. Re the ownership experience - I've not had it from new, and I suspect not many have given the temptation to make a quick buck early on when prices went crazy. It's been damn reliable for 33 odd thousand miles though, Porsche Warranty makes the cost of ownership much more of a known quantity and I can't say there's anything else I'd really rather under 100k or so for the use case. There are always little things one can improve, which I strived to do in my ownership - but I wanted a road bias car, not a track bias car. The difference in steering between an S / GTS and a GT4 is night and day, so I wanted all the positives of the more focused road car without as many drawbacks. 981 4's are bloody brilliant things though and to anyone on the fence, I couldn't recommend them more. Of course if anyone fancies just handing me a briefcase full of cash I'll gladly keep it. The only proviso for whoever buys it is to give me first dibs on buying it back one day!

Jezzah said: No offence taken at all chaps! The standard OPC suggestions when speccing a car are always buckets and so on and for a weekend special or track car then great. I've taken this on trips and used it as a daily..ish. Heated 18 ways are super comfortable (my back isn't the finest) and really round the car off for certain use cases. In the world of 120 / 180 / 200,000 mile 981 GT4s this is just about run in. Re the ownership experience - I've not had it from new, and I suspect not many have given the temptation to make a quick buck early on when prices went crazy. It's been damn reliable for 33 odd thousand miles though, Porsche Warranty makes the cost of ownership much more of a known quantity and I can't say there's anything else I'd really rather under 100k or so for the use case. There are always little things one can improve, which I strived to do in my ownership - but I wanted a road bias car, not a track bias car. The difference in steering between an S / GTS and a GT4 is night and day, so I wanted all the positives of the more focused road car without as many drawbacks. 981 4's are bloody brilliant things though and to anyone on the fence, I couldn't recommend them more. Of course if anyone fancies just handing me a briefcase full of cash I'll gladly keep it. The only proviso for whoever buys it is to give me first dibs on buying it back one day! Yawn

Well if you will post after your bed-time

Son picked one up as his first car! More fun that the touring on the road, steering, break feel and playful chassis all felt great, it's a shame they held back the engine.

gbrown2014 said: Son picked one up as his first car! More fun that the touring on the road, steering, break feel and playful chassis all felt great, it's a shame they held back the engine. That’s one hell of a first car! Happy days for him. All though the engine is knobled it isn’t too hard to improve for not a lot of cost. It’s one of the two most iconic caysters ever built the other is the 987 Spyder

gbrown2014 said: Son picked one up as his first car! More fun that the touring on the road, steering, break feel and playful chassis all felt great, it's a shame they held back the engine. I went to look at that car when I was looking, I thought I recognised the reg

BMWM2Black said: I went to look at that car when I was looking, I thought I recognised the reg Northway Porsche, near reading. Did you buy one in the end?

Jezzah said: That's my car! It all depends what one wants - if you're after a Clubsport track car with all the associated rattles then it won't appeal. For a road car, it's been brilliant. Lots are coming out of the woodwork with 40+k miles on them, it's just a 911 CS at heart after all. The market is a buoyant at the moment and it's in line with other cars around that mileage. Colour wise, we all like different things! This was my favourite one for a GT4. That's a great road car and superb value. I need rear space for my MTB and that's the only reason I don't have one at that price especially with such low mileage (for a car). I don't see why those brakes are the wrong ones either as someone said. They seem ideal compared to the ceramics in terms of future cost containment. Love the colour too.

crystalmethod said: Yawn Seriously? FFS! Great car that Jezzah, totally agree with your points, I just bought a new daily, to be honest, if I had seen this last month I would have been seriously tempted. What is next?

Ed.Neumann said: Seriously? FFS! Great car that Jezzah, totally agree with your points, I just bought a new daily, to be honest, if I had seen this last month I would have been seriously tempted. What is next? F31 320d! Dad life

Jezzah said: F31 320d! Dad life Haha, to be fair, all the car you ever really need. I bought one during lockdown, it was local, it was £3500 and I bought it to sell on, but ended up selling my 530d touring instead and putting £15k in the bank. It was superb. It was only because I'm a dick that I sold it on when I started getting itchy feet again. But such a good car.

gbrown2014 said: Northway Porsche, near reading. Did you buy one in the end? Yes they are just up the road from me and Ray used to look after my first Porsche which was a 968CS. I bought a Red 981 GT4 from a private buyer, best decision I have made in years.

This looks like a corker https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202608104...

Jones the cat said: This looks like a corker https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202608104... Nice car but 15k overpriced . And less miles https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2015-porsche-9... Edited by Esquire on Tuesday 11th August 07:06

Esquire said: Nice car but 15k overpriced . And less miles https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2015-porsche-9... Edited by Esquire on Tuesday 11th August 07:06 Nice car. £55k plus the buyers fee.

Jones the cat said: This looks like a corker https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202608104... Mines pretty similar spec. 2016. Riviera. Under 5K miles. I d expect similar money, but it s not for sale.

TrevorHill said: Nice car. £55k plus the buyers fee. Yup 59k all in . PCCB too

£60k for a low miles good spec 981 is pretty good value in my book compared to a 718 as imho it’s the better car

GT4P said: £60k for a low miles good spec 981 is pretty good value in my book compared to a 718 as imho it s the better car 100% agreed . The 981 series cars are real gems

GT4P said: £60k for a low miles good spec 981 is pretty good value in my book compared to a 718 as imho it s the better car As a 981 GT4 owner I have been keeping an eye on the values and if thats true someone has got a total bargain there.

TrevorHill said: Nice car. £55k plus the buyers fee.

Esquire said: GT4P said: £60k for a low miles good spec 981 is pretty good value in my book compared to a 718 as imho it s the better car 100% agreed . The 981 series cars are real gems I keep reading conflicting arguments. I had a 981 and didn’t like it. Was thinking of trying a 718 but if the 981 is better I won’t like the 718 either then!

s_mcneil said: So that was April so the price was probably about right for then.

s_mcneil said: TrevorHill said: Nice car. £55k plus the buyers fee. Great spot, thanks for sharing. They paid £60k for the car. Did a little bit of work and flipped it. Anyone want to hazard guess what the new owner paid? I’m thinking £70k plus.

TrevorHill said: Great spot, thanks for sharing. They paid £60k for the car. Did a little bit of work and flipped it. Anyone want to hazard guess what the new owner paid? I m thinking £70k plus. They took the risk so seems fair etc. They also currently have a very nice Miami Blue manual on their site. Miami Blue GT4

keo said: I keep reading conflicting arguments. I had a 981 and didn t like it. Was thinking of trying a 718 but if the 981 is better I won t like the 718 either then! You should never listen to what I or anyone else says but try one for yourself and make you own mind up. What didn’t you like about the car? Yes it has flaws ie the knobled engine but that can easily be tuned to 430hp with no flat spot.

GT4P said: You should never listen to what I or anyone else says but try one for yourself and make you own mind up. What didn t you like about the car? Yes it has flaws ie the knobled engine but that can easily be tuned to 430hp with no flat spot. I agree, I should test drive one and make my own mind up. I hated the numb steering and it just felt boring to me in general. I realise most people rave about them though. It just wasn’t for me. Shame as I love the look of them, nice interior, good brakes, good gearbox I didn’t even have any problems with the engine. Just wasn’t exciting for me and I never wanted to take it for a drive just because.

keo said: GT4P said: You should never listen to what I or anyone else says but try one for yourself and make you own mind up. What didn t you like about the car? Yes it has flaws ie the knobled engine but that can easily be tuned to 430hp with no flat spot. I agree, I should test drive one and make my own mind up. I hated the numb steering and it just felt boring to me in general. I realise most people rave about them though. It just wasn t for me. Shame as I love the look of them, nice interior, good brakes, good gearbox I didn t even have any problems with the engine. Just wasn t exciting for me and I never wanted to take it for a drive just because. Agree with the comments above, I would drive a 718 yourself and decide if it is for you. I think your previous car history will also play a part in whether a 981 or even 718 would 'excite' you. For me personally unless it has a GT3 engine then I have also had a similar experience with Porsches but that may not be entirely fair as I only owned 2-3 variants in my time.

GT4P said: keo said: I keep reading conflicting arguments. I had a 981 and didn t like it. Was thinking of trying a 718 but if the 981 is better I won t like the 718 either then! You should never listen to what I or anyone else says but try one for yourself and make you own mind up. What didn t you like about the car? Yes it has flaws ie the knobled engine but that can easily be tuned to 430hp with no flat spot. I own both. The 981 is more special in a way that I can’t explain, it just is. BUT the 718 is the better car in every other way except for the soundtrack. It’s faster, it handles much better, it’s slightly better looking imo, but the 981 is much rarer. Drive both, make your own mind up. You can’t go wrong either way.

Re flat spot has anyone just remapped for this i.e. no hardware changes and if so who did you use? I assume 430 requires Plenum, headers and remap?

You can buy OTS maps from various places and do it yourself or if you want a live map in the UK I d recommend GAD Tuning. Litchfield also have experience of this engine. If you want to know more ask away and I can chime in with what I did with my 981. Edited by TDT on Thursday 13th August 10:09

The 981 GT4 definitely isn’t over valued. They are much rarer than the 718 GT4 with approximately half the numbers of the new car in the UK.

This one is still for sale at £56K. Been years https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202607174...

If that car had bucket seats with those coloured inserts I’d be on my way to buy it today. The seats spoil what is an otherwise great car. I had a macadamia Boxster many moons ago, it’s a cracking colour.

TrevorHill said: The 981 GT4 definitely isn t over valued. They are much rarer than the 718 GT4 with approximately half the numbers of the new car in the UK. Another way to look at it is the 981 is bit of a bargain at the moment but no way overvalued, personally I think the 718 is overvalued currently. I bet when cars like the 997RS was £120k peps peeps were saying it was overvalued compared to a 991 but now look at the price of 997 v 991

TrevorHill said: The 981 GT4 definitely isn t over valued. They are much rarer than the 718 GT4 with approximately half the numbers of the new car in the UK. Your right, poorly worded on my part. I would say the 718 is better value right now mainly given the improvements made to the engine/steering and the much newer platform.

TrevorHill said: If that car had bucket seats with those coloured inserts I d be on my way to buy it today. The seats spoil what is an otherwise great car. I had a macadamia Boxster many moons ago, it s a cracking colour. You could do the seats for £10k ish. Would you buy it if it was £66k? Plus your sports seats could be sold or your buckets taken out to be sold once you’re done with it. A pair of those seats would be as good as money in the bank.

Given the money people seem to have to spend, to still not achieve the engine note of the 3.8, whilst a few tech specs evolved on the 718 and the aesthetics hardened (to the good)....I don't see value in spending more on the 718... I still lean heavily towards the less aggressive curves of the 981 along with the rarity...and then get that mad OEM sound without spending more and more and more. The comments about gearing don't land with me, never had or felt an issue...but the steering...it's true, it does the car no favours. With a laser guided chassis the lack of 'feel' comes across more, sadly... However I still see a no more complete manual sports road car. I think the Lotus Emira comes closest in V6 manual guise.

PRO5T said: TrevorHill said: If that car had bucket seats with those coloured inserts I d be on my way to buy it today. The seats spoil what is an otherwise great car. I had a macadamia Boxster many moons ago, it s a cracking colour. You could do the seats for £10k ish. Would you buy it if it was £66k? Plus your sports seats could be sold or your buckets taken out to be sold once you re done with it. A pair of those seats would be as good as money in the bank. I have a spare pair of 718 buckets, but they’re not the right ones. I keep a number of spares. I also have a 981 GT4 with buckets. I’m on shaky ground at home with all my cars. My daily driver is a 718 GT4 PDK. If the 981 was PDK it would see the road occasionally. Also have money down on the Cayman EV.

a timely little vid: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ciGgnf7o8og

Quite amazing looking at autotrader right now compared to last year and similar to any enthusiast cars....they are not making any more and the numbers available are markedly reduced from this time last year. 981 GT4's usually had between 15-25 cars for sale, there are currently 4 under 30k miles and not a cat s etc...really feels like peak car has passed and the market knows it. Unless there is a shift in worldwide gov policy what stock is out there right now has never been more finite.

cseven said: Unless there is a shift in worldwide gov policy what stock is out there right now has never been more finite. I was talking with a Taycan owner yesterday who is retiring in a few years. While his Taycan has been absolutely faultless he will be buying a 911. That will be his last company car before retirement and he’ll likely keep the 911 at the end of the lease. I’ve mentioned both the 981 and 718 previously. I think the 981 is that wee bit more special, if only due to the number built. They aren’t going to get any cheaper.

Quickmoose said: a timely little vid: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ciGgnf7o8og Not much to see there

Esquire said: Quickmoose said: a timely little vid: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ciGgnf7o8og Not much to see there Thank you The opposing opinion is that there is, if you weren’t aware that there were very simple add ons to bring 981 closer to 982, which I wasn’t. So if you didn’t know, there is much to see there. If you did know, then there isn’t. I should’ve added that to my original post…

Jonstar said: Your right, poorly worded on my part. I would say the 718 is better value right now mainly given the improvements made to the engine/steering and the much newer platform. I'm going to eat humble pie now that I've driven the 718 and 981 gt4 back to back. The 981 gt4 just feels better to me. Steering feel, clutch feel and the engine note are definitely better. Not sure I've driven a better all round sports car, worthy of the hype. Edited by Jonstar on Friday 28th August 22:25