Ulez

Just a bit of advice don't trust the government ulez checker, and actually don't trust what you read in the club magazine either. A few years (ulez round 1) back it was printed how a 996 was not the Porsche to buy as it wasn't ulez compliant. I wrote to the magazine to tell them this information was incorrect as mine passed, they said a retraction statement would be printed. I chased it for a few months but never saw the statement. Now roll on a few years (ulez round two) and many people will be outing all sorts of vehicles as the ulez checker tells you your vehicle is not compliant. This may actually be false, as if the V5 document doesn't state the nox levels it will be instantly deemed as non compliant. I suggest you write to the manufacturer for whatever you own and ask for the emissions levels as many will pass. It's a catch 22 manufacturer's wont challenge the governments as they then won't sell new cars and when the emissions figures are challenged it's on a 1 to 1 instead of the dvla then saying all this make/model now pass. It's a real mess, and a lot of people should be ashamed.

I’ve been looking at this too and it seems that all 996s will be compliant with the NOX level. I’ve downloaded the application to get the cars certificate of conformity from Porsche UK. There is a cost of £106 to get it. l have not sent it off yet but will be doing it soon. I live just outside the ULEZ zone but have to drive in it to go anywhere. i will report back once I’ve got it approved by TFL

Hi, This is potentially great news. I live within the new ULEZ zone and whilst I had no plans to sell my car I did consider renting a garage outside of the zone. Do you have a link to the form mentioned so that I can also download a copy and apply. Many thanks Gerry

Hi Gerry. You can download from the link below, as always with Porsche they want money, Try asking for a club discount, they can only say no. https://files.porsche.com/filestore.aspx/default.pdf?pool=uk&type=download&id=conformity-order-pdf&lang=none&filetype=default&version=1 Good luck. Andy

I got my COC certificates for both 996 from Porsche reading for free. Both then complied with TFL.

Hi David I’m aware it was free last year. This form has no date on it as to when it was produced. It’s bad news that they now feel the need to put quite a heavy charge on obtaining one, especially considering you may be disappointed on the results obtained.

Porsche Germany will supply this for free. It's the DVLA's error anyone for not being bothered to do their job in the first place and check the actual levels.

If this is correct and owners can avoid getting it via Porsche Reading that good news.

I didn't have to obtain it but i've seen the proof, so best of luck to anyone that needs it. The whole affair is disgusting. it shouldn't be on a 1 to 1 basis, just as equally any vehicle that were to be tested, if the nox level differed to that of the V5 it would also then fail, yet that whole make/model gets a pass on that v5 value. The DVLA are using figures that have been proven to be lies (VW & Merc) scandal, well this is the ULEZ scandal because the same facts and figures are being used by hypocrites. So food for thought, if you have a crappy old van worth say 150 quid and its registered to your business and insured for your business. Did you know the government will send you a 5k cheque upon proof of a scrappage certificate?, you don't have to buy another vehicle it just a straight swap (who you thinks paying for that) US. Flip side supposing you have a nice sign written van custom fitted for your trade, worth about 14k (now de-valued by not being ulez compliant) yep you get 5k too, only 9k short plus the extra cash you'll need to get into a stupid electric van that's range is pathetic once fully loaded. Ooh isn't driving fun now days. Well done to the boroughs that have challenged and refused to install TFL's cameras, And lets hope waze does another map to get people around the expansion cameras just like they did the first time around.

Dear all, Thank you for all of your replies, I appreciate them all. I will certainly try and contact Porsche in Germany to se if they will issue a free service. In the event that I don't get any joy I will try Andy's suggestion. I'd love to keep it at home and this is a potential solution. Thank you all once again. Gerry

I sent an email to Porsche Germany this morning and awaiting a response, will let you know if and when they reply. Not too concerned for myself as it will rarely affect me at present.

I enquired about this not too long ago & was advised to email back a scanned copy of the completed form. I was informed they (Porsche GB/Reading) would relay this to Germany, but there was no mention of a charge for this. As it transpired, my V5 already has the relevant details, so I didn't bother following through for the CoC. It is also worth noting, that there are several other CAZ zones around the UK (eg Birmingham & Bristol), which are NOT operated by Transport for London (TFL) & there will likely be more introduced in the future. So I'd recommend you check your own cars status & request exemptions where you think it may be applicable. For details see: https://www.gov.uk/guidance/driving-in-a-clean-air-zone#cities-with-clean-air-zones You can check your car for National CAZ zone compliance by selecting the "check a vehicle" option here: https://multiple-vehiclecheck-pay.drive-clean-air-zone.service.gov.uk/what_would_you_like_to_do TFL operate independently of the above, but you can check your car for London ULEZ compliance here: https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/check-your-vehicle/ TFL had picked up the correct details from my V5 so my car was granted an exemption for London ULEZ, however despite DVLA having the correct details, their CAZ department still deemed my car as non-compliant for Birmingham & Bristol zones (from the 2nd link above). So I suspect the DVLA CAZ dep't may just be relying on vehicle age to determine the exemptions for Birmingham & Bristol zones, rather than looking up the emissions details they already have on record. I submitted a request for exemption for these zones via the form here: https://contact.dvla.gov.uk/caz & received an email within a few days to confirm they would grant this. Within a week, the second link above now shows my car as being exempt from all current CAZ zones. Credit to ½cwt on another forum for some of the above info on CAZ's. See https://www.boxa.net/topic/95277-how-to-register-your-986-as-compliant-with-tfl-london-ulez-and-caz-clean-air-zones/ Incidentally, if you plan to travel in Europe, then you can order the German & French exemption stickers with the details below: More info https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/news/motoring-news/law-change-for-uk-drivers-in-french-cities/ https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/travel/driving-in-europe/german-emissions-sticker/ These are the direct links from the RAC articles above You can order the German ones direct from the Berlin state portal for 6 Euros: https://www.berlin.de/labo/mobilitaet/kfz-zulassung/feinstaubplakette/shop.86595.en.php#Shop The French CritAir ones can be ordered direct for 4.5 Euros from: https://www.certificat-air.gouv.fr/ hth

Cheers Andy, I appreciate that and look forward to seeing how they reply. I have been doing a bit of research and have discovered that the acceptable level of NOx to be compliant is anything less than 0.08g/km. According to an article in Evo magazine: 'There are plenty of seeming anomalies and it’s a bit of fun trying to guess which Euro 3 cars pass ULEZ standards, and which don’t. Using data from 2001 you’ll discover that an Aston Martin DB7 Vantage is fine to drive through London, but a 1.7-litre Ford Puma isn’t. Ferrari 360 Modena? Yes, that’s fine, but a 996 Porsche 911 Carrera 2 isn’t… unless it’s a Tiptronic, in which case it’s OK.' My car is a 1998 C2 Tiptronic so I may be lucky. Gerry

Hi Gerry. No reply from Porsche Reading or Germany as yet. Not the best service.

You shouldn’t need to contact Germany yourself. The first line of text on the form I was sent on 15th Feb 2023 stated " This product is complementary to Porsche owners ” which implies there is no fee. I'm pasting a copy of the mail I rec’d from [email removed] in Reading after I phoned to enquire, there was no mention of a fee, so unless things have changed in the last few weeks You should be fine to just scan & return your completed form. If in doubt try emailing the address above. "Dear Sir/Madam Thank you for your interest in a Certificate of Conformity. Please find the form attached. Full details of the documents are detailed on the form. Please note Certificates of Conformity are only available for EU specification vehicles built after 1997. Once completed with all details, the form can be scanned and emailed back to us, or printed and posted to the address as below. Please allow 28 days for processing. Please note that as the UK Importer of Porsche vehicles, Porsche Cars Great Britain, is only in a position to supply Certificates of Conformity to UK customers directly. If you reside outside the UK we recommend that you contact Porsche in the country of your residence for assistance.” hth

Hmm your form is clearly different to the one they sent me on 15/2/23. See attached. hth Download

Thanks Spike I will try again with this and thanks for posting, hopefully this will be of use to fellow members. Regards Andy

Hi all, I followed Spikes tip and emailed Reading myself. I received a reply with the certificate of Conformity order form within 10 minutes of sending the email. I have completed it and sent the information back to them. I will keep you posted on how I get on. Thanks once again Gerry

Same here.

Hi all , I too followed Spike's advice and sent the required docs to the Porsche Reading email address on Saturday. Reply came back from Emily this afternoon saying she had forwarded it to Porsche Germany for the CoC to be forwarded and give it up to 28 days for a response. No mention of a charge either. Proof of the pudding etc...

Hi I have just checked with London Ulez and Bristol etc. my 2003 996 turbo is ok for all. Hope this may help

All, I received my compliancy letter this morning from Porsche. It confirms that my vehicle is ULEZ compliant with a NOx of 0.063g/km. The ULEZ compliancy requirement is 0.08g/km. I wasn't charged for this service. Gerry

glad to hear it worked out for you Gerry

Hi Everyone I used the vehicle checker for the Glasgow LEZ and it advised that my 2004 996 C4S was not compliant. I scanned my V5C and sent it to the email address on the checker, appealing that according to the emissions, my car should comply. Within 24 hours, I had a reply stating that they had informed the DVLA who then updated the database and my car now shows, correctly in the checker, that it is compliant for all the Scottish LEZs. Just to let you know that it was free, painless to do and didn’t need a certificate of conformity to get actioned. I hope this is helpful. All the best Harry

So, a quick update............ I sent all of my paperwork V5C and the letter of conformity to the ULEZ department some weeks ago and have just received a reply stating that my car is not compliant due to a discrepancy between the V5C and Porsche's own conformity records relating to emissions. Copy of letter below: Thank you for your enquiry received 12 July 2023 regarding the compliance status of your vehicle. Please be advised that the evidence provided is not sufficient to confirm ULEZ Compliance at this stage. The ULEZ Scheme requires vehicles to meet the following standards: ? Petrol Vehicles must be Euro 4 or have NOx emissions equal to, or less than, 0.08 grams per kilometre. Diesel Vehicles must be Euro 6 or have NOx emissions equal to, or less than, 0.08 grams per kilometre and Particulate Matter emissions equal to, or less than, 0.005 grams per kilometre. ? Please note: ? Euro 4 became mandatory for all new cars in 2005 and light vans in 2006 Euro 6 became mandatory for cars and light vans from September 2015 and September 2016 for larger vans up to 3.5 tonnes. ? We note that this vehicle was first registered in 1998, however, there is a clear discrepancy between the V5C (logbook) and Driver and Vehicle Licensing (DVLA) data. Whilst we acknowledge that a V5C document has been provided as evidence in this case we cannot verify the evidence provided due to the discrepancy. Petrol cars that meet the ULEZ standards are generally those first registered with the DVLA after January 2006 and we note that this vehicle was first registered in 1998 so is unlikely to be compliant with the ULEZ standards. We should also like to clarify that as the details currently held by the DVLA reflect that your vehicle is not compliant, updating this vehicles compliance record directly with DVLA, so that ULEZ Compliance Registration with us is not required is also an option for you. If you believe your vehicle is ULEZ compliant you will need to supply further evidence to that previously provided and explain why the vehicle is ULEZ compliant. Therefore, your vehicle remains non-compliant and you must purchase the appropriate daily charge when driving in the ULEZ charging zone There is no clear discrepancy within my paperwork - The VIN numbers match perfectly. The only 'Discrepancy' is that the car was manufactured before 2005. Gerry

All 996 and younger Porsches should be ULEZ compliant. For petrol cars it's the NOx emission level that determines ULEZ compliance and the car must emit no more than 80mg/km. Many pre Euro 4 cars are ULEZ compliant. The NOx should be stated on the V5C (log book / registration document) for 996 onwards and if the TFL web site checker shows your car as non-compliant then TFL will update their database if you send them a copy of the V5 showing the compliant NOx emission. Some older format V5 / logbooks may not show the NOx emissions and you can get a new format V5 from DVLA. Done this for 996 and 986 when ULEZ originally commenced and TFL database were originally showing as non compliant. Also done the CoC for 993 and Porsche sent it through in 2 weeks (no charge) Hope this helps.

Cheers Marc, Ill contact the DVLA and request an amended V5C that shows the NOx emissions. Many thanks Gerry

Hi Marc, Can you tell me where to find the new format V5 document. I have searched and can only find out how to amend a V5C if you change the VIN / engine etc. I only need to include the emissions values on my existing V5C. Kind regards Gerry

Finally received confirmation earlier today that my applications for conformity to both CAZ and ULEZ have been approved after what has been a prolonged and obstructive process. The CAZ application was pretty straightforward although it still took two attempts , but my June 1998 C2 is now exempt for all the existing CAZ cities. Dealing with the ULEZ people was a different ballgame altogether and it took the input of three sets of documents and associated explanations plus a stage one complaint before they finally relented. In the end I used the following format to try and give them no grounds at all to refuse it and it has worked. " Re the response to my application for ULEZ exemption for vehicle G3GEH and your refusal as referred to above i.e TFL-xxxxxxxxx etc. In it you state that the requirement for petrol vehicles to achieve compliance is to meet the Euro 4 standard for Nox emissions of "equal to, or less than, 0.08 grams per kilometre." I attach a copy of G3GEH's Certificate of Compliance which shows on page 2 , line 36 the word "Abgasverhalten" which is German for "Emission behaviour" and underneath this a figure adjacent to the NOx line which shows emissions of 0.035 grams per kilometre which is less than the limit of 0.08 g/km. Page 1 of the CoC shows a reference under line 0.6 the words "Fahrzeug-Identifizierunsnummer" which is German for "Vehicle Identification Number" and this shows as xxxxxxxxxxx. This VIN is also stated on the V5C for the vehicle G3GEH (copy page 2 also attached ) so that the CoC can be confirmed as being for this car. If there is a different reason that the car G3GEH is not ULEZ compliant please confirm what that is." I'm sure the ULEZ team are under pressure to delay and refuse at every possible step ( revenue generation! ) but the above shows it can still be done. Many thanks to Sp1ke in this thread and Mallone on a similar Pistonheads thread for the advice. Re Ged's query in the preceding two posts - you can get an amended V5C from the DVLA but there are caveats and they are big ones.This is the response I recieved from the CAZ site when I asked for one to reflect my newly approved car.. "A new V5C document would only be issued if there was un update to the Euro Status , as the evidence provided only confirms the emission standards the vehicle Clean Air Zone checker has been updated based on rather than updating any vehicle details with the DVLA. Also , as the vehicle is registered prior to 2001 the DVLA are also unable to make any amendment to the vehicle record." So no updated V5C for my 1998 car on either account , but it was a nice to have whereas the compliance is the killer. Good luck to anyone else still trying. I don't think it's going to get any easier. Regards , Paul.

Hi All. After receiving my C of C from Porsche, I submitted the required info to TFL about a month ago, I've not yet received the comfirmation info but on checking their website it now states my car is compliant. It's a late 1998, 99 model year C2. So good luck all, and don't give up the fight. Andy

Gerry, I called the DVLA when I noticed the format had changed and from memory had to confirm request in writing and they processed it as replacement v5 to existing keeper. Hope this helps

Thanks Marc, I will give them a call then. Fingers crossed I will get there in the end..... Gerry