New 992.2 - some initial thoughts - Page 2 - 911/Carrera GT - PistonHeads UK

I am about six weeks / 2,500 miles into a new C2, and have notes which might be of use to other prospective purchasers. For context, my last 911 was a 991 GTS, and I've had a variety of models over the years, but this is my first 992 so I am simultaneously a new and old hand at it. The good - all the broad 911 characteristics are intact. You sink into the driver's seat with a reassuring air of familiarity and the view over the peaks of the front wings. - the extra weight and width are not noticeable to me versus the 991. It's a long time since my 997 and previous, but I suspect you'd really feel it coming direct from that era. - despite the lard the road handling and acceleration is still fabulous. I haven't been on track with it. - it is all extremely well screwed together, and it feels it. The balance with the interior materials between 'opulence because we're charging you a lot', and 'perfectly engineered surface' is just right (except the stalks, below). - I went for the 18 way seats and they are possibly the most comfortable I've had in any car - the digital screens are crisp and (mostly) well done. I thought it was going to be a version of the VAG standard software but it seems like Porsche managed to get their own developers. Full Android/Carplay support. The odd - there's no run in period or 1000 mile oil change required; first service is at 2 years unless the on-board says otherwise - it has a now-obligatory driver monitor camera, which I confidently expected to be bonging at me every time I sipped a coffee, but nothing so far - Hankook tyres all round. Apparently these are now OEM for the base wheels. - no paper owner's manual of course. You have to download it inside the Porsche app, with its own not-very-good search function. The manual doesn't seem to be available as a separate PDF. The bad - the road noise is really bad. I know this is a common complaint, and it's at least partly down to poor UK surfaces, but it really is poor and especially when more basic cars can make a better job of it. If you are a prospective buyer and are sensitive to noise, you must do an extended test drive. - the 'safety' feature settings are a mess. The three dangerous ones (lane keep, speed bonging, stop/start) are turned off in different places using different methods. I understand they are constrained by EU regs (though are they strictly applicable to UK spec cars ?) to not have them on a button, but they could at least all be under one menu. I had a Peugeot hire car over the summer and it had a home screen icon which opened up one menu with all the ADAS items to click off. - the column stalks are really quite tinny plastic. Maybe it's a crash safety thing, but those highly used touchpoints could be improved proportionally much higher than the cost, by using aluminium or titanium

"now-obligatory driver monitor camera" more EU nonsense that no one asked for. I have the speed bings and bongs + lane warning that yanks the steering, both can be turned off with 2 button presses^ so not the end of the world. Camera looking at your face is the line for me and I'll have to pass on new cars. ^not Porsche TX.

Newc said: I - there's no run in period or 1000 mile oil change required; first service is at 2 years unless the on-board says otherwise Interesting... I know US model cars (the same cars) have 10,000 annual service schedules rather than the EU's 20,000 two year cycle. I assume this is to do with emissions and associated regulations. I enjoyed your review. I have a 991.1 and enjoy the lack of the 'assist' features that nobody ever asked for.

Good observations. The point that you make about the high noise level is the biggest weakness of the 992 platform in my opinion. It really does get quite tedious, especially for longer journeys when you just want to sit back and relax on a cruise. A shame as the rest of the car is so cruise capable. Newc said: The odd - there's no run in period or 1000 mile oil change required; first service is at 2 years unless the on-board says otherwise Porsche puts all new built engines through a run-in program on a test bench at the end of the engine production line and does the first oil change then and there on the test bench. Of course brakes and tyres still need running in but that is a process over the first hundred miles or so. Newc said: - Hankook tyres all round. Apparently these are now OEM for the base wheels. Wow. That is pretty awful penny pinching. Porsche really deserve some blow back on this. I don't really want them to get used to having premium tyres as yet another upsell on the configurator. It is bad enough to have to pay £700 or so to change brake calipers back to black or stupid stuff like that when various models "upgrade" the calipers to red.

I do enjoy good reviews like this. My 992 is coming up to 4 years old and the dealer is desperately trying to get me to change, I don't say upgrade because to me it is the opposite. The "safety" features are one of the main inhibits, on a recent road trip the anti collision kicked in twice and the second time I could not even figure out what had triggered it.

Dixy said: I do enjoy good reviews like this. My 992 is coming up to 4 years old and the dealer is desperately trying to get me to change, I don't say upgrade because to me it is the opposite. The "safety" features are one of the main inhibits, on a recent road trip the anti collision kicked in twice and the second time I could not even figure out what had triggered it. My car sometimes picks up on a shadow cast across a road by a tree and freaks out. Rarely, but does it once in a while.

XMA Simon said: Porsche puts all new built engines through a run-in program on a test bench at the end of the engine production line and does the first oil change then and there on the test bench. No they don't. I've done factory tours at Stuttgart going back decades and whilst there was a point in time that they did dyno test a lot, if not all of the 911 engines, but that ended decades ago. Only a small handful of cars get hot run testing and I recall generally only from the higher models (GT etc). This was explained to us on my last tour. Porsche build about 200 911s per day and from memory have only 3-4 dyno rooms at the main factory. To mount, attach, prepare and run an engine properly on an engine dyno takes many hours and they simply could never have the time to test anything other than a tiny fraction of them. Edited by Guyr on Sunday 16th August 15:04

Terminator X said: "now-obligatory driver monitor camera" more EU nonsense that no one asked for. I have the speed bings and bongs + lane warning that yanks the steering, both can be turned off with 2 button presses^ so not the end of the world. Camera looking at your face is the line for me and I'll have to pass on new cars. ^not Porsche TX. Surely a competent guy with a laptop could disable any of these nanny state b ks permanently. I wouldnt have it either.

I've owned my 992.2 C2S for nine months and six thousand mixed miles. I was aware of the reputation for road / tyre noise, but don't find it generally worse than my G82 M4C I ran for four years before. It is however MUCH worse on really bad surfaces - M25 north sector with that ridged concrete surface for an example. Of course it's never going to be normal car quiet because you sit so close to 305/30-21 tyres, and noise is subjective anyway, so perception will vary between people. And my car came with Pirelli P Zero as OEM fitment which the internet says are noisier that Michelin P4S, so that maybe a factor

Not a 911 but took my Dad’s Macan S back to Porsche for some new boots this week. Replaced the 3yr old factory fit P Zeros with Michelin Latitude all seasons. Night and day difference in road noise. It’s quiet as a Rolls now.

Thanks for the interesting thoughts on the amount of contribution of the tyres to the noise. I know nothing about Hankooks or their general noise and performance reputation, but at £400 or so a corner to try alternatives it's not a easy choice. Lots of videos/reviews about people installing sound deadening in the wheel arches, and intuitively you'd think that is the most effective approach, but then you're immediately into warranty arguments if something goes wrong. It is still a surprise to me that in a business which makes all the margin on the extras, there isn't a huge list of dealer-fit options to handle what must be common complaints, without them needing to be factory homologated. Eg some sound insulation ('ah, sir will be requiring the Metge Tourer package, £1,200 plus VAT'), wire grilles for the front rads, tyre upgrades, etc. On the monitor camera, as I understand it they are obligatory on all new cars and will throw up a dash light if covered up. Re-programming is becoming ever harder with the also obligatory encrypted comms and ECUs. As I said, nothing off the camera so far but if it does start to intrude I will be getting out the gaffer tape.

As you may be aware, there seems to be a shortage of new porsche tyres at the moment, due to the knock on effect of the Iran war situation. I recently had to wait 4 weeks for replacement rear tyres for my 992.1 4 GTS due to shortage of stock and last week, I managed to purchase 2 front tyres for my wife’s 2024 Hybrid Cayenne and the OPC told me that there were only 4 Pirelli’s of that size in the UK. So, this might be why Hankook are being fitted, possibly as a stop gap. On the subject of noise, these are sports cars, not Grand Tourers, so, isn’t that to be expected? I am on my 4th GTS with the next on the way, and have never been concerned about the noise from the tyres.

My 992T is noisy, but I think that is part of the deal and to be frank it doesn't bother me but having just put a set of Michelins on after the Goodyears I have noticed less rumble. I had heard that Hankooks are a result of supply problems, not sure I'd be happy to have them on a new 911.

Had my 992.2 C2 for nearly a year. Regarding the tyre noise I find it significantly quieter then my previous F80 M4, even running on the Goodyear F1's. I will change these for Michelin's when I need to. Mine is a May 2025 car and it's in for it's first service on Friday with my local OPC, the cost of which is another discussion.

Newc said: - Hankook tyres all round. Apparently these are now OEM for the base wheels. - no paper owner's manual of course. You have to download it inside the Porsche app, with its own not-very-good search function. The manual doesn't seem to be available as a separate PDF. I also took delivery of a new 992 about 10 days ago. I've been using this: https://manual.porsche.com/#/wpi/992-2026-20251124... on my desktop to help with the familiarisation. My car is a base Carrera (standard wheels) and came on P Zeros. I'm also really hopeful that the app is right, and the first service is 2 years away. Edited by Steven944 on Tuesday 18th August 21:56

Might be different on the 992 but when I took delivery of my 718 late last year it didn’t come with a physical handbook but it arrived about three weeks later so might be worth asking

andrew-494ym said: Terminator X said: "now-obligatory driver monitor camera" more EU nonsense that no one asked for. I have the speed bings and bongs + lane warning that yanks the steering, both can be turned off with 2 button presses^ so not the end of the world. Camera looking at your face is the line for me and I'll have to pass on new cars. ^ not Porsche TX. Surely a competent guy with a laptop could disable any of these nanny state b ks permanently. I wouldnt have it either. I'm interested to know on new Porsche cars - 992 etc. - how easily the "safety" stuff can be disabled? It is a case of setting driver and pre-sets, or switching things off with menus/buttons on every drive?

Digga said: I'm interested to know on new Porsche cars - 992 etc. - how easily the "safety" stuff can be disabled? It is a case of setting driver and pre-sets, or switching things off with menus/buttons on every drive? Hey Marcus, It’s pretty painless to be fair. We use the Diamond button on the steering wheel to turn off the speed warning bong (to be honest the GT3 is so loud inside that you can never hear the bong anyway, but disable it in the Cayenne every trip) and then there is a button on the underside of the cruise control stalk that you press and hold for a second that turns off the lane keep assist. Super simple. Jack

jackwood said: Digga said: I'm interested to know on new Porsche cars - 992 etc. - how easily the "safety" stuff can be disabled? It is a case of setting driver and pre-sets, or switching things off with menus/buttons on every drive? Hey Marcus, It s pretty painless to be fair. We use the Diamond button on the steering wheel to turn off the speed warning bong (to be honest the GT3 is so loud inside that you can never hear the bong anyway, but disable it in the Cayenne every trip) and then there is a button on the underside of the cruise control stalk that you press and hold for a second that turns off the lane keep assist. Super simple. Jack Not swapping the 911 yet, but maybe the Taycan next year, so useful to know. Thanks Jack.

I've had my 992.2 GTS for 18 months now and I would not worry too much about the annoying safety features. It is literally two buttons - the diamond on the steering wheel and the diamond under the screen, and everything is off. I do get irritated however that you have to remember to press the diamond again if you switch from normal mode to Sports mode. Why stop start is enabled on Sport mode is beyond me. In terms of running in, my understanding was that I had to run the car in for the first 1,000 miles. I'm sure it referenced this in the user manual. On tyres, mine came with Goodyears, but I've had a number of punctures that required me to take the car into the dealer (centre locks which I would definitely not spec again) and wait a while for a tyre. Road noise doesn't bother me but I do have the Burmeister upgrade which sounds outstanding and tends to drown out any noise.

CouldBeAFuse said: Why stop start is enabled on Sport mode is beyond me. That's interesting - it's something Harry Metcalfe mentioned in a recent video. Start/Stop disables in Sport Mode in my 991 - which feels right. Sport mode also disables the 'sailing' (?) function too - which is a feature I don't like.

Digga said: I'm interested to know on new Porsche cars - 992 etc. - how easily the "safety" stuff can be disabled? It is a case of setting driver and pre-sets, or switching things off with menus/buttons on every drive? It seems to move around a bit with PCM versions, eg CouldBeAFuse above using the console shortcuts, which are not available on mine. So for me, lane keep is on the cruise stalk, and is not movable. The centre buttons are extremely restricted in what they will accept; mostly parking and nav settings. I can only assign stop/start and speed warning to the wheel shortcut, so I have stop/start on the wheel, and speed bonging on a home screen shortcut tile. All are turned back on again at every engine re-start, of course. Stop/start is automatically turned off in sport mode. The 'hey why don't you have a coffee break' notice can only be set to low frequency, not turned off completely. There don't seem to be any settings for the driver camera anywhere.

Wife got a new Hyundai EV last month. I've yet to be troubled by the driver attention camera. So it probably does serve a purpose, but it is not a hindrance. The lane assist stuff though, on A and B roads, can be positively dangerous.

CouldBeAFuse said: I've had my 992.2 GTS for 18 months now and I would not worry too much about the annoying safety features. It is literally two buttons - the diamond on the steering wheel and the diamond under the screen, and everything is off. I do get irritated however that you have to remember to press the diamond again if you switch from normal mode to Sports mode. Why stop start is enabled on Sport mode is beyond me. In terms of running in, my understanding was that I had to run the car in for the first 1,000 miles. I'm sure it referenced this in the user manual. On tyres, mine came with Goodyears, but I've had a number of punctures that required me to take the car into the dealer (centre locks which I would definitely not spec again) and wait a while for a tyre. Road noise doesn't bother me but I do have the Burmeister upgrade which sounds outstanding and tends to drown out any noise. I use the same combination for turning off the nannying aids. However, on my 992.2T the stop/start is ALWAYS disabled in Sport mode. That and making the exhaust noisy is the reason I spent most of my time in Sport mode. Also, once my diamond button is pressed, it doesn’t matter how many times I switch between normal, Sport, Sport plus I never have to press it again. Speed warning stays off until I turn the ignition off.

On the latest 992.2 without Sports Chrono (so only Wet, Normal, Sport modes) and with Sports Exhaust , is it possible to customise the Sport mode so every time it is selected the PASM is 'Normal' and Sports Exhaust is 'Off'? Is this customisation of Sports mode then persistent across restarting the car? And the diamond button on the steering wheel, is that independent of the diamond toggle on the centre console? Thus allowing to different short cuts to be configured e.g. disable speed limit chime via the steering wheel AND disable stop/start via the toggle. Edited by churchie2856 on Saturday 5th September 23:41

Do the window controls in the door and the start button not remind you of VW level trim? There is noise insulating glass, but the road noise for what is meant to be an everyday car didn’t work for me

churchie2856 said: On the latest 992.2 without Sports Chrono (so only Wet, Normal, Sport modes) and with Sports Exhaust , is it possible to customise the Sport mode so every time it is selected the PASM is 'Normal' and Sports Exhaust is 'Off'? Is this customisation of Sports mode then persistent across restarting the car? And the diamond button on the steering wheel, is that independent of the diamond toggle on the centre console? Thus allowing to different short cuts to be configured e.g. disable speed limit chime via the steering wheel AND disable stop/start via the toggle. Edited by churchie2856 on Saturday 5th September 23:41 Can’t comment on question one as my 992.2 has Sports Chrono. Question two, yes. They are independent. I have my steering wheel diamond set to ‘speed warning’ off, and the dash diamond turns the 360 cameras on.

JonPH said: Do the window controls in the door and the start button not remind you of VW level trim? There is noise insulating glass, but the road noise for what is meant to be an everyday car didn t work for me Have to say that this has never occurred to me. And we do also have a Golf in the family! Same with the road noise, but then again, I don't drive the car every day. I'd say a worthwhile spec option is the Burmeister stereo - it is superb and once you've cranked it up a little, you won't hear the road noise so much.

CouldBeAFuse said: I've had my 992.2 GTS for 18 months now and I would not worry too much about the annoying safety features. It is literally two buttons - the diamond on the steering wheel and the diamond under the screen, and everything is off. I do get irritated however that you have to remember to press the diamond again if you switch from normal mode to Sports mode. Why stop start is enabled on Sport mode is beyond me. In terms of running in, my understanding was that I had to run the car in for the first 1,000 miles. I'm sure it referenced this in the user manual. On tyres, mine came with Goodyears, but I've had a number of punctures that required me to take the car into the dealer (centre locks which I would definitely not spec again) and wait a while for a tyre. Road noise doesn't bother me but I do have the Burmeister upgrade which sounds outstanding and tends to drown out any noise. You can customise Sport mode settings, including stop/start and save them in the PCM so you don't have to disable it every time.

Nuttcase said: You can customise Sport mode settings, including stop/start and save them in the PCM so you don't have to disable it every time. Thanks - I didn't realise this. Reading my earlier post above, I'm also repeating myself on the stereo upgrade. Sorry about that. I guess it means I'm consistent, at least.

Does the driver monitor thing obscure the lower digital dash? Looks like it might :-( Edited by churchie2856 on Monday 7th September 22:17