Looking at 996 Ownership - Opinion sought

First time poster on these forums and a short time, yet avid lurker.. Looking at entering into Porsche ownership after a life time love affair with car..  Have always wanted one, and have now decided - why the hell not. Looking through the forums and learning heaps - great site that you have here, a really good vibe and lots of great information..  So lets get to the crux of the matter.. The budget is 996 territory - I don't think that I'll get more bang for my c50k buck..?  The questions is, and I know its divisive and based on opinion - but should I get as I read here 'a Plain Jane 996' or a 996 4S..? Would I be better off getting a .1 or a .2..?  IMS issues aside - will cross that bridge when I get to it etc - whats the best model for me.? I know what I don't want, and that's a cabriolet.  I'm really certain that I want a manual, and here's the kicker - I haven't ever driven one.  But I know whole heartedly, that I'm going to get one.! There are few good looking cars on the interwebs, but I just need some guidance and persuasion as to which car to get into.. Looking forward to your informative replies.! Thanks, Dylan from Brisbane.

$50k.... Getting tough to get manuals for that price. Car of choice for me for a 996 would be the C4S, but you might be up near $80k now unfortunately. Saw a super charged one for $65k the other day, but was a tip. Others will know far more about IMS

Excluding cabs & tips knocks all the lower cost 996's out of they way.  You'll need 50-60k to get a good 996.2, less for a series 1, which are still great cars and good value, but many are just getting higher milage with a few more years under their belt. Shoot for a series 2 manual coupe Carrera 2, you might get a good car for that money, but may need a little more $. A 4S would be nice, but I wouldn't sacrifice condition and quality to go buy at the cheap end of that model. At least these cars are not selling over the phone within 5 mins of listing, so get a Pre Purchase Inspection done by a Porsche specialist prior to completing a sale. You want to know if you need to budget for any imminent expenses if spending near the top of your budget. Feel free to link up any cars your considering in this thread for feedback! Ps There is a forum member selling one here for bang on $50k.  Series 1 but low klms.

The general rule in buying a Porsche is to get it reviewed by experts before buying, and keep some money aside for expenses. It's called a pre-purchase inspection and most porsche dealerships will do it, as well as Porsche specialists like autohaus hamilton in sydney and weltmeister in melbourne. Others can help about where to go in Brisbane. Factor their findings into your negotations with the seller, and run screaming from anything with serious issues like engine problems or rust issues. The C4S has a wider body and some parts from the turbo. = better looks + handling.  The C4S is over-engineered for the amount of power it puts out. To my eye it looks the best. But for me two wheel drive is more fun. 2002+ brought about a few changes including engine upgrade to 3.6 L  from 3.4 L, improved chassis ( i believe the 2002+ c2 uses the c4 chassis), and some cosmetic changes. Throughout the entire life of the 996, engine and other components were updated yearly.The IMS bearing is an example of a component that went through a lot of revisions. Internet speculation puts the incidence rate at somewhere between 1% and 10%. Porsche's own documentation stated something like 1% for most revisions, up to 8% for certain revisions of the bearing. The speculation is not helped by the fact that we don't know porsche's actual numbers, and that some of the people hyping the scenario happen to be selling 'solutions' to it. We also don't know how the failure rate has changed over time (aka engineering 101, bathtub curve..)    That said for around $2-3k you can fit an IMS bearing that is unlikely to fail. This is not the only way an engine can fail and it';s not the only component that ever needs maintenance. By modern transmission standards the 996 tiptronic is very dated. Shifts are slow, clunky, and there is a loss of power compared to the manual transmission. That said they're certainly usable day to day. Our market puts a premium on Australian-delivered cars. The other option is to look at a 987 boxster or cayman for that price range. Even though they are the 911's baby brother (or sister?) they are real drivers cars and being newer (generation after 986/996) might be a safer buy for the risk averse.

Great advice from Trev and t888. Honestly I wouldn't discount an auto if your looking at a daily, particularly if you're frequently stuck in traffic. Series 2 is a rarer car by about 30,000k less being manufactured from memory. Wouldn't discount a series one, particularly if money is on the tighter side and you want to make a few modifications to the car. 20hp difference between the 3.4l and 3.6l engine doesn't make that much difference when you've got 300hp anyway. Supposedly the gear boxes were changed for both auto and manual, but I've never looked into it. Glove box is missing in a series one and instrument cluster is slightly different. On the outside the headlights are the giveaway. There's aftermarket kits for series one to change them from clear and yellow to just clear or you can go a cover and hide half the lights to change them into the traditional oval. Depending on your preferences. 4S as Trev said is outside of your price range, but a 4 is in and would be a good option in the wet particularly if you like acceleration off the line. 4's also are more likely to come with PSM. People who drive a 4 say there's no big difference between a 4 and a 2 in handling unless you're in the wet.

Better get onto this fast, then...

Manual Cayman S. 50-60K. lowish mileage. and a much more modern interior... I'm in Brisbane too. Hit me up for a chat and I'll talk you into something.

I'd go with this one: http://www.carpoint.com.au/all-cars/private/details.aspx?R=SSE-AD-3597925&Cr=13 Lower than average KM's and everything is done, ready to go.

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I don't think you could go wrong with either of these. Great value for what they are!

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All valid comments - thanks..  Regarding the budget, it is negotiable and there is extra contingency for items outside of the deal. We talk about 'purists cars' and whilst I can appreciate that some are pro aircooled being more of a purist car, can we consider that rear wheel drive (water cooled) may be more of a purists car to that of AWD.  Or has technology taken away a lot of that feel..  Whats the train of thought regarding that..? Last week I was all geared up thinking that a 996 .2 4S is the way - though budget constraints might put that out of reach as mentioned above - and now I'm thinking more RWD manual.. That car above for 50k with low KM's looks a peach..  As does the other one linked that's had the work done to it (but lets not talk about the interior colour)..  I much prefer the look of the second generation, but the two above represent great value.  When buying my first Porsche, is there much room for compromise..!? Now I know of a car here in Brisbane with good history, 996 .2 S4 <100k with good history - silver on black.  When questioned, the answer was 'yes it's for sale, and it will have a 5 at the front of the asking price'..  I'm not sure if its an manual or a tip, but from above this seems to represent good value..  The elephant in the room being which end of the '5 scale' is he at..! And then someone throws in the Cayman spanner..!  Two seats just won't quite cut it.  I realised this when purchasing my current driver and comparing it against a Boxster. I reckon its time to hit up old mate regarding his 4S and see where he is, and then take a RWD out for pilot. And..  why are the cars in QLD seemingly more expensive that the cars in Victoria..? Lastly - I apologise if I've included / screwed up quotes, this forum software is way different to what I'm used to. Lets keep the discussion rolling.!

Hi Woka, Have followed the 996 market for the last 2 1/2 years and yes a manual 4s is the ducks nuts but have watched the prices go north to a point where you are entering 997 teritory.The gen 2 manual coupe is the next quickest mover but seem to be about 10 k difference in price compared to a tiptronic.I always say one day you may want to sell your car and as you know alot of people have plenty to say good and bad about the 996 so buy the best example you can afford and try to have as much as you can in your favour for resale and most of all enjoy what is regarded as the best bang for your buck porsche one can buy. Ps Original  I always like original unmolested cars.

Hi from a fellow searcher.... This dropped into my inbox today: http://tinyurl.com/z5gw7w7 Looks well optioned - X51 Powerkit / Sports Suspension / 18" GT3 wheels / Sports Exhaust / IMS Update (LN Engineering) / Clutch / Air oil separator / Rego until 2016. You'd think its an import with the X51 update but it has a C23 Option code..... I'm struggling to see whats wrong with it.....Just not the colour I'm after.... Good luck. Jim.

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That's looking pretty nice - and its local. Best go find out what the X51 update is all about and get my head around the options codes.! Cheers..

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Was reading about X-51 kit today - http://tinyurl.com/hnj62oq Option Decoders (I'm sure there are more but these 2 appear to cover everything I've looked for) C23 is AU delivered - http://www.kindel.com/porsche/options/options.asp https://www.stuttcars.com/technical/option-codes/996/ I'm obsessed! Jim.

Around 250kw in power (versus 221 stock), the following parts in the engine were replaced, exchanged or modified: - new intake manifold with modified cross-section (material: sand cast aluminum ); - new intake pipe supports adapted to the form of the intake manifold; - new exhaust manifolds with larger cross-section and optimized flow behavior; - new cylinder heads with optimized, CNC-milled inlet ducts; - new camshafts with larger valve stroke on the inlet side and modified inlet and outlet timing; - inlet valve springs adapted to the enlarged valve stroke; - modified partition box in the oil pan; - modified maps for the DME control module. The following steps werealso taken on the vehicle: - new underside panel in the transmission area; - additional radiator in connection with modified front spoiler, except on the 911 Carrera 4S (996). The higher-performance engine was also available as an option when ordering a new vehicles - 911 Carrera / 911 Carrera 4 /911 Carrera 4S /911 Targa - under Exclusive Option X51.

You need to buy a copy of The Essential Buyers Guide 911 996  published by Veloce its a great resource. Also The Ultimate Owners Guide Porsche 996 by Richard Hamilton.

Adrian Streather's book "Porsche 996 The Essential Companion" is the best book but it is very expensive. Otherwise, I have both of the books recommended by Rod C and wholeheartedly agree with his recommendations.

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If you can, go drive both a C4S and a C2.  You'll soon know what "feels" right for you. For me, I only wanted a C2 for rear drive and to not compromise the steering feel Porsche is famous for.  That said I did not even drive a C4S.  After having a few Suby and Mitsi AWD road and rally cars I knew while it suited them perfect it was not the quality I wanted in a 911, even though the C4S look horn! I'm sure Porsche engineers did a great job of AWD, but I don't believe it could drive the front wheels without being a different dynamic. *Disclaimer: Scrap all of the above if adding twin turbos.  Then I don't give a shize about the steering feel!  Boost overcomes plenty!

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Ordered. Thanks.!

http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/keswick/cars-vans-utes/2001-porsche-911-996-carrera-4/1102956641 It does say negotiable!!

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If you like silver and can put up with fried eggs, that would be the one to by with those options....looks a good one....

A glove box is overrated and as far as I am concerned, the X51 is the holy grail when it comes to 996 options!

C4S Just listed at $59,990.  Not so keen on the wheels... http://www.carsales.com.au/private/details/_/SSE-AD-3833507?WT.seg_4

Commodore wheels ruins it, easy fix though!

If I was looking for a 996 (I'd love to but my budget and heart says 928) I would seriously consider a tip, one close to you too http://www.carsales.com.au/private/details/Porsche-911-Carrera-2000/SSE-AD-3648515/?Cr=6

If you are ok with the colour, this could be ok at $40K. Series 1 manual coupe with GT3 aerokit.  Highish klms though... http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/preston/cars-vans-utes/porsche-911-coupe-gt3-factory-kit/1103212177?ea=5975478&utm_source=trigger&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=saved_search

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Not sure whether I should be doing this or nor (not being a financial member) but this one is mine.  I've really ummed and ahhh'd about whether to sell it, its such a great thing.  I'm sure anyone at the skid pan day we did at Gympie last year can vouch for how well it gets around.

Welcome mate, nice car at a reasonable price - if I only had the available $$$$ ......

If only I had the garage space to keep it! Anyway, I don't want to turn this into my for sale ad, but you know who to message if you want any more details. Nick

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Really good buying

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Beautiful car

Apologies the quote function is doing my head in! http://www.carsales.com.au/private/details/_/SSE-AD-3833507?WT.seg_4 Went to see this yesterday - It needs a lot of work to get it to a level this type of car deserves. Jim.

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Previously Written Off? Yes

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Do you remember seeing it previously or did you get the VIN and check? - Just wondering. (That entry looks suspiciously like a revs check! lol). I'm not going to get into the specifics as they were just my observations / test drive - but it ain't right! Jim.

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Hmmm, yet the ad says "Showroom Condition".....so sounds like it must be far from it!

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I copyed and pasted of the add for the car / Last Modified 2/5/2016 Vehicle 996 4S Coupe 2dr Man 6sp AWD 3.6i [MY02] Price $59,990* Cost to Insure Get your car insurance estimate now Kilometres 91,500 Colour Silver Interior Colour Black Transmission 6 speed Manual Body 2 doors 4 seat Coupe Drive Type Four Wheel Drive Engine 6 cylinder Petrol Aspirated 3.6L Registration Plate CEA47S Registration Expiry 2 Months - April 2016 Previously Written Off? Yes Release Date The date this model was first available for purchase. January 2002 Build Date The date this car was built. Check with seller

Hiding in plain sight! - I came bottom of the class for ad reading.....lol. Jim.

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Here ya go Jim; http://www.carpoint.com.au/all-cars/private/details.aspx?R=SSE-AD-3817062&Cr=7

Been an interesting weekend..  I don't know if I've clarified or muddied the waters.! Gen 1 RWD manual - very nicely presented car, confident just from the look and feel that its a solid car - I really like it. Gen 1 AWD Auto - Again, a nice looking car - and the price point is particularly attractive with wiggle room (no IMS upgrade)..  Though, on idle dab the throttle to 2k it revs up, and then drops to ~500, slight miss then a smooth idle..  I though it might be a tad cold, but after a decent drive, on return the same miss presented - plus a tick tick in the rear end.  Seemed to originate from around the alternator and wasn't consistent with RPM. Non advertised 2002 4S Auto - I really like the power of the 3.6 - it just seems smoother and 'lustier' than the 3.4, maybe is a more refined over time engine but it just felt stronger.  This car (silver on black) has 97k and he's chasing 59k.  It didn't feel as tight and direct as the other two, nor as clean.  IMS has been done - he was a bit vague.  Anyway, that isn't the car for me, and its outside of my budget.. Now this just leaves me wanting to try a Gen 2 manual - I think this would be a perfect combination for me.  The lack of AWD dosen't really phase me.   So, whats left..? This car reads really well - you'd think that if the guy wanted to sell it he'd answer his phone or return an email.!  Still waiting.. Anyone know anything about this car.? Then there is a similar spec in Sydney here - but its a UK import..  Is it really that bad in the scheme of things..?  I mean its been here for 4 years and if rust was to present (if that's the major concern) surely it would have shown by now..  Or is there other concerns with UK imports..? And a 4S here - very low KM's but is on the repaired vehicle register - how would that impact things..? Sorry for all the links and question marks - but we're many steps closer to where I was this time last week. and the last question..! Is a Gen 1 4 the same wide body and a Gen 2 4S..? <edit> That one advertised here for 50k is pretty much sold pending inspection - you snooze you lose. Its obvious that great cars sell fast.. Thanks in advance..!

UK import subtract 20% of the value and have it thoroughly checked out. C2s are daily drivers and lots of salt on their winter roads.

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Was the ticking there for the whole drive? If the car was turned on and off in a short amount of time to move it, the source of the ticking is the oil pump redistributing the oil. This should have vanished after 5 minutes of driving though. Only learnt that the other week. Thankfully rennlist can be a great emergency source of info.

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That would be it.  when we pulled up, I killed the engine - to restart it 30 seconds later to listen for the miss at idle, that was again present. What could the miss be I wonder.?

I'm guessing there was no engine light on the dash. Can be weak lifters, injectors, coil pack, vacuum leak for misfires. It could also be air oil seperator on the go or that its just gone and been replaced if there was signs of smoke after initial startup as it's trying to clear the cats.

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The quality of this car can be determined by the quality of the chick and the rug shop in the background of image 8, and the recovered steering wheel in image 24.  Zero effort put into the images, plus who puts those rims on a car like that and the seat leather is shinier than Kojak's head.  Did the owner have a chain of kebab shops?

That blue 996.2 is nice shame about the colour inside and out. I would go 996.2 manual if you can, its also .2 seconds faster according to the brochure IMO Any car that is giving you problems on the test drive run, run far away and don't look back... Personally I would steer clear of all UK imports, shady history and written off vehicles! I had a UK import PPI'd once that came back with sever under body corrosion so be weary! Sounds like a Gen 1 might be the go, I have met the owner of the teal colour 996.1 with the very rare genuine AeroKit, he's a good dude. If I was you i'd just wait, its hard to listen to that advice but it was well worth it for me. Took me a year to find the right spec 996!

Thanks Dan - the longer I wait, the closer I am to the grave.! Impulse - want it now. But good advice none the less.. The teal 996.1 is growing on me as a car, it looks really quite unique.  As you say, finding the right spec might take time..

Hang in there! Even if you can save up a bit more. There is a reason why those cars with grey interiors are still for sale (nothing against anyone with a grey interior though!!) I have seen the teal car in person its actually not a bad car, was originally from WA and the current owner got it all registered in Melbourne. The pinnacle of 90's flair - teal on beige interior! The key is the genuine AeroKit which includes the 'taco' wing. That said the interior can be swapped if you're handy with a screwdriver and can find a suitable donor, just an option.

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The Teal looks like a ripper to me Noooo.  The Teal car is perfect.  Perfect I say.

This thread just keeps on giving..! So..  If a PPI comes back with the line "very minor wetness rear main + 'unreadable word' front engine area - would this be a fairly standard finding..?  Thinking the mechanic might be a little over enthusiastic to cover his arse.? And also the compression test - how does this read..? Pics attached.. Thanks in advance..

.... something front engine area? However the compression test reads well with cylinder 4 slightly higher than the others. From my reading the range is between 155 & 165 which is within acceptable tolerances. Running rough on start-up is cause for concern though

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To be honest unless you're getting a deal on this car i'd walk away. Leak at the rear will be $800+ to fix as you need to drop the gearbox. On the plus side you can do the IMS and inspect the clutch while you're there (if its a manual). Running rough on startup is also a big red flag. The colour is surprisingly good looking and unique in person!

^^ what is your concern re: the rough start?

I'd be concerned on a rough start as well considering they should know what a 996 should run like. Unless the guy who did the PPI can pinpoint where the rough start is coming from I would say it's not worth it as you will be chasing your tail.

I was pretty underwhelmed by the lack of information on the PPI.. Anyway - it is what it is.. Cheers.!

Teal car sold. Who dun it?

Not me.!

A few Caymans at this price point.  Any interest in them?

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As mike mentioned, it's a very vague description/problem which could be anything. I'd walk away very quickly. As well as the oil leaks which aren't cheap to fix. Had a Cayman for the day when I had my 996 serviced. Nice car, not as powerful as the 911 though depends on what you're into. Resale favours 911s over almost everything in the p-car world though IMO. Hang in there WOKA!

No Cayman for me at this point..  Need at least 2.5 seats.! One will come along. Must be keen - just ordered my number plate, surprised it was still available actually. At worst it'll sit in the pinball room

And it will be worth the wait!!!

Buy this.  I would. http://www.carsales.com.au/private/details/_/SSE-AD-3848716?WT.seg_4=AutoAlert;PCAA&sdmvc=1&utm_campaign=bau&utm_medium=email&utm_source=transact&utm_content=autoalert&wt.z_driver=Email_SearchAlert

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WOKA dude you'd better get onto this as it's now in the market place thread and we all know that's the epicentre of the Porsche market and everyone's going to be onto it soon.  I trust you are placing a deposit on it (subject to PPI) right now?  Please report back.

Yes YES YES! That 4S. Jump on it! It's got so many great extra's including IMS upgrade. Sounds like the owner has really looked after it. The only issue is that with all the race items is that it might be a bit of a pig to drive in traffic or just a short trip down to the shops. Wouldn't be surprised if the car has seen some light track work by a previous owner or early on when this owner first bought it. However since its had the paintwork redone then it's been a garage queen since then possibly with the way the owner talks about it.

Airport west is near me actually. Car looks good I'm not a fan of the gt2 wing but the owner says the original is available so all good! Although 4.5 seconds to 100 IMO that's a stretch from a tune and exhaust for a c4s haha. Inquire! That's cheap for a C4S I wonder is its an import, owner doesn't specify unless I read it too quickly.

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Tried to arrange a viewing (by text) tomorrow as I'm in Melbourne for the day but unfortunately not view-able until Thursday...ahh crap. Now I'm torn between buying " Mr. Flat Cap Wearing, Driving Gloves, Unmolested Origina l" vs " Getting stopped every 10 minutes on the way to work - 0 shits given car " Umm Jim.

Its nice, its very nice - its in Melbourne.  I'm sure that by the time that I can arrange to get down there it'll be 'pending a PPI' Whats the wait time in Melbourne for PPI - in Brisbane at the moment its 2 weeks plus at the PCB and 1.5 weeks at T&D for example..  You guys as potential sellers, would you on behalf of a buyer arrange and take you car to get inspected, or is the onus on the buyer.?  Of course cleared funds into sellers account to cover the PPI..  Whats protocol..? Be a fun drive from Melbourne up the inland roads to Brisbane though Unmolested v's Zero shits..  That's the real question though.

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Not 100% sure of the protocol, but I thought it was arrange between owner and workshop PPI dates, invoice for PPI goes to you and you pay the workshop directly. If the owner is able to drive it to the workshop - cover owner for costs of getting it there as good will - eg. fuel, maybe money for coffee, lunch, taxi back depending on scenarios and what you feel is applicable. If the owner is unable to drive it to the workshop, or you wish to tow it there - arrange tow truck there and back, pay tow company directly.

WOKA, I'd be happy to assist in getting a PPI done if you like. PM me if you're genuinely interested. No need to wait 2 weeks.

That was my experience also, owner drives it there Porsche send the report to you and you pay them. I had the owner of the UK import even ask me for the report for free after I declined to buy the car, I politely declined

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Maybe a holding deposit to get down and have a look? Jim.

Had a long chat to Rasi..  First and foremost is an import, been in the country for 5 years, 3 owner car..  Extensive modifications by the sounds of things. Dry, rust free and clean. I don't know if I can mention it here, but the owner is the owner of a performance workshop, 7 minutes from 'airport west'  Prestige 'something or other' works I think he called himself.. Its a sorted car by the sounds, maybe a little to much on the side of go-cart - but my knowledge doesn't stretch the far..  Thanks very much @Pork Chops, that's a very decent gesture, lets see what eventuates over the next couple of days, pictures pending etc and I might take you up on that. Import...  It keeps reverberating..  I know they all came from the same factory, and I understand the arguments for and against.  Is the price right for an import.. Cheers blokes - much appreciated.

I thought it was cheap for a Aus delivered C4S. I want you in a 996 as bad as you want one but IMO don't jump the gun.

Has the price gone up? Its now $56,500 I could have sworn it was $52,000 earlier? In the case of $56,200 thats too expensive for an import C4S IMO. I have seen them for high 4s'! Pun intended... haha

It's the same old equation with imports. Likely there is less history and therefore provenance, if from the UK rust is a concern (not necessarily a problem), finally they are worth less. If factory RHD that much better as converted cars are the least desirable IMHO. Less to buy, less to sell so nil sum game. If you're looking for an 'investment' perhaps it won't appreciate like and AUD car but frankly the idea of a car being an investment is odd and atypical and unlikely to be the case in the long term. At $56k it's $30k under the AUD market if it's a good car (maybe) so doesn't seem too bad to me. Say you buy it for that figure and you lose $20k in 3 years, that small fry in the normal scheme of car depreciation. If it's a good car, buy it and enjoy it and be happy your price of entry was so much lower. But only if it's a good car. Get a PPI. FYI I bought a UK 911 SC and it came here in the 80s and has no rust so it doesn't have to be the case. Take each case on its merits. If you just don't want an import you're not alone and it's OK. Just cross this car off your list. Good luck .

Water cooled imports aren't as bad as air cooled imports due to the improvements in anti-rust applications from the factory over the years. I totally agree with Pork Chops. If it was a LHD to RHD conversion then that might be an issue and I would maybe expect an even lower figure. Otherwise if it is what it is, originally RHD, PPI checks out and he has original parts, then it's definitely worth considering.

http://carsales.mobi/cars/details/_/SSE-AD-3853375?WT.seg_4=AutoAlert;PCAA&sdmvc=1&utm_campaign=bau&utm_medium=email&utm_source=transact&utm_content=autoalert&wt.z_driver=Email_SearchAlert $3k bargain!

sold for only slightly higher price

seems to still be available for $78600 http://www.carsales.com.au/private/details/Porsche-911-Carrera-2004/SSE-AD-3853817/?Cr=15

I want a manual I also want this car - I can't have both..! Someone please talk some sense into me..!  The black car reads and looks oh so nice.  IMS done, history, options.. The extended warranty isn't worth a knob of goat $hit, I know this, but wow, what a great looking car...

You will regret an auto if you want a manual... Oh and the manual 996 is faster than the auto (so it says in the brochure!)

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Drive it. If you like it buy it! Simple

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Test drive it and see whether you like the Tiptronic gearbox, if you like it then it appears to be a solid looking car at face value. However, if you would still prefer a manual I don't really see anything on this car that makes it worth compromising for unless you absolutely love its fundamentals. Bodykit - As an owner of a 996 with a bodykit I agree it looks fantastic, however they are not that rare so you will come across another one with the body kit Seats -The 997 seats are nice but they are not the 997 sports seats, yes they are better then than the 996 seats but not exceptionally so. Interior - Other than the steering wheel (not to my taste) and aforementioned seats it has the standard interior, personally I like the 996 interior but I just mean there is nothing special such as the carbon fibre kit or alacantara fittings to make it better than any other 996. IMS Bearing - That is a good thing and given it's been done Autohaus you can presumably be confident of the mechanical competence when fitted.  This is really the only thing that makes this car stand out and to my mind that is still not enough to buy if you don't like Tiptronic. Things I would want to check with the car: - Make sure that the 997 seats have been fitted properly, while the seat bolts are the same the plugs are different and the 997 seats have airbags which the 996 doesn't so presumably the wiring for the airbag has been deactivated.  For your peace of mind make sure this is done properly. - Find out if the standard steering wheel comes with the car - if 996's are ever collectible the standard steering wheel will be more valuable, also alcantara shows marks and wears worse then leather so just be aware of that.  Also make sure it is has been fitted by someone who knew what they were doing so the airbag has been properly refitted (This is pretty straight forward so shouldn't be a problem but worth checking) - Check the colouring of the 997 seats - to my eye the 997 seats look a slightly different colour to the 996 back seats, this could just be the photo.  Probably just depends on how particular you are if they don't match - Check the headlights - it has likely had the head lights replaced with the clear ones as pretty sure it would of had the 'fried egg' headlights from the factory - Someone could have cut corners and put headlights from a left hand drive car as these are cheaper and more common so just make sure they are proper RHD headlights - Check the rear tail lights for moisture - Again pretty sure these are clear tailights which it didn't come with from the factory.  Some cheap after market lights can leak so have a close look to check for moisture, in all likelihood they are Porsche lights from a later model and it won't be a problem Not sure whether resale values will affected by Tiptronic but I do think the time it will take to sell might be increased so that is potentially another compromise.

+ 996, g ood summary

Dont know what the story is on this car but maybe reach out if it's not sold: http://porscheforum.com.au/topic/8218-fs-996-carrera-6spd-47000kms/

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I've spoken to the owner regarding this car - its a good looking car with low KM's..  You hear the stories of Porsche's needing to be 'driven' and 47000km over its life time is quite few.  Is this the case where it may not have been driven enough..!  As silly as it sounds. 50k purchase with no IMS change IMS + Clutch + potential unknowns c$5k..? Makes this a 55k car all of a sudden.  + insurance and rego starts to take this out of my budget range. I think a similarly nice car with IMS done is maybe a better proposition..? The black GT3 look-a-like for 49k (albeit Auto) is very appealing.  However, the seller called me back this morning to advise that the log book were lost during a test drive yesterday.  How shitful is it to buy such a car without its books..?  I'm ready to book a flight for Saturday - but this throws up a bit of a red flag - not because I distrust the situation, more so that having such a car without the books is determent to its possible resale..? Then there is a member who has contacted me via PM..  Gen 1 manual with c75k on the clock, nicely appointed if you like carbon-fiber (not sold on this yet).  No IMS change = no clutch, which would need doing, and this proposition brings me out on budget.  Its a very interesting car.. Not convinced of the colour of the factory carbon trim. And then there is the Gen 1 manual here in Brisbane with 119k, with IMS and clutch, service and the X51 enhancement.. We're getting closer - until another one pops up.. Thanks for listening and replying - I owe you all beers..!

All I have to say is X51 = Get on it!

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Good luck with the hunt! Tempted to get a 996 myself. I would also be looking for a .2 manual, but open to a cabriolet or coupe. Obviously you don't have to offer the price they list the car at. If you like any of these why not offer $5k below list price and see where you end up?

+996 on X51 Actually IMO youre better off getting the IMS done yourself for a few big reasons: 1. You may not know what type of replacement IMS has been put in i.e the classic L&N bearing is not as good as the newer pro version 2. You may want the solution instead 3. You can check the condition of the IMS because if its not in good shape you could potentially have other problems on your hands that if addressed sooner rather than later will save your engine. Most GEN1s have a dual row IMS with a 1% statistical failure rate in the US. IMO that car is worth 50k+ I wouldnt be walking away if its got good service history A clutch + IMS will run you 5k but thats the price you pay for owing a car like this, the P-CAR tax gets applied, things arent cheap. I had a clutch, IMS, water pump done and fines in the first month of ownership of my 996. I'd do it all again too

In regards to after market warranties, even though they're not worth much, they can mean that the cars servicing is exceptional. Most after market warranties require servicing every six months. If it hasn't the the warranty will probably be void.

This has been for sale a loooong time, higher klms but a mk2 manual asking only $48K.  With the time it's been on the market you sure have some negotiation leverage. http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/2002-Porsche-911-Carrera-996-Coupe-/121891304302?hash=item1c6149b36e:g:YpsAAOSwuAVWvBRP Or this! $29K manual coupe 89,000klms. http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/1999-Porsche-911-996-Carrera-Manual-89000-kays-Just-Beautiful-/141907011819?hash=item210a5128eb:g:kR4AAOSwQYZWwR~x Plenty of change left to spend on her!

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what makes u think all cars need new clutch?? u would only replace it if it needs doing?? carbon kit is rare option and looks great in real life..

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I suppose if your doing the IMS, for the cost (pretty much) of a clutch kit, you'd be inclined to change it at the same time..   Call it a labour saving strategy.

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I agree with this.  I have the Carbon kit on mine with the centre console, door handles, storage compartment lids being all carbon.  On a black interior it looks pretty good. I have also replaced most of the remaining interior points with alcantara inserts and reckon it makes my interior a nice place to be That yellow car was a bit over top and had pretty much every carbon option ticked and against the yellow leather it looked questionable.

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Had a look at this one today..  Tidy car for the opening bid I reckon..  A little bit of seep LHR forward of the exhaust manifold (not sure what the doodad is called) otherwise looked dry..  Body is straight, couple of 'trolley dings' and minor scratches.  Absolute plain jane of a car right down to the vinyl roof.  What put me off was a kink in the LHS front corner of the bonnet and cracked plastics behind the front air dam (LHS), plenty of over spray around the rear end with a definite mask off around the C pillar (RHS), and an absence of the books.. Sure, a lot of cosmetics that can be rectified, and some mechanicals, but I'm not really looking for a project right now..  Though I reckon you could just jump in a put 100k on it not problems, as is..  They seem like they are willing to let the auction run as is, even at opening bid. Side note: Speaking to the owner and they say they previously had another 996 that spat the IMS - they got an exchange motor from a wreck and it too spat the IMS..  Hows that for bad luck..!  Though it evens out the law of averages for other owners perhaps..! <edit>  ...and the radio knobs were definitely 'goopy'..

Looks like they are wreckers who specialise in Porsche - see their other items on Ebay...

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'apparently not'..!

Well, at least you now have a benchmark for hat a $30K 996 looks like The more you see, the closer you will be to 'your' car Keep up the hunt!

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Really!!!  How do you lose books during a test drive??  Very sus.  Alarm bells ring on any vehicle without books.

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PS  Thanks for the reminder again when selling to:  ask for a drivers license and take notes before you hand the keys over for a test drive ( don't take it personally, I value my insurance policy?, resist the temptation not to sit in the passengers seat when it is being test piloted and being stompted on from low speed in fourth and and make sure the books are kept in the top draw of your desk. (forgot, locking the globe compartment is useless if one has the key on the key ring

.. Don't you just hate that fine print.  It was looking good. Another write off .. Next...

He's dreaming at that price if it's been written off...

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Do you know why it has been written off? Could be something minor that was an easy (maybe expensive?) fix? I would at least look into it....

I think regardless if its been written off and you buy it the onus is then on you to convince the next buyer that it was a financial stat write-off so you'll always loose out unless the price is right and that price is definitely not right.

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How is it deceptive of the seller if it is listed in their advert??

Stupid carsales mobile, leaves that field out

The image that WOKA posted is taken from the advert

Oooh!  I love a good internet argument.  I think that it's sufficient to deal with it in the written ad, as has been done.  Personally I'd disclose it verbally when someone made a genuine phone enquiry.  I believe that's fair to the seller and the buyer.  As has been pointed out it may not be that serious and the price just needs adjusting to suit.  Wouldn't be the first time someone was optimistic with their asking price for one reason or another right?

Yep saw it there

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Yes you're correct, mobile view doesn't give you all the details

I've chatted to the guy and nothing was eluded to the fact that it 'was written off'.. The fact that it wasn't mentioned when discussing the cars merits is a bit deceptive in my view.  If he calls back (I've been waiting since last Thursday, asking what a suitable time to fly in and view the car last Saturday would be.!) I'll asking him the details then..  But nah - the shit has stuck to the blanket on this one..  I'm learning from you guys, I'm learning patience. I took off my rose tinted glasses yesterday and had another read - was a bit bummed out when I read the fin the print is all.. It's the same with imports - there are 3 on Carsales right now that I know of, that only when asked do you find out that 'Oh yes - it's an import'.. Full disclosure is a rarity, buyer beware Being a write off opens other cans too - sure I can investigate, but would I easily get the car rego's and insured in QLD.? Next..

Written-off vehicle classifications Written-off vehicles are classified either as a statutory or repairable write-off. Statutory write-off A statutory write-off is too badly damaged to be repaired to a standard that is safe for road use. The vehicle identification number (VIN) is recorded as a statutory write-off, and the vehicle is not allowed to be registered. These vehicles are only suitable for use as parts or scrap metal. A repairable write-off A repairable write-off has been assessed as uneconomical to repair. The VIN will be recorded as a repairable write-off and the vehicle will only be registered if it is repaired, passes a Queensland safety inspection and passes a written-off vehicle inspection . Read detailed definitions of statutory and repairable written-off vehicles .

WOKA, why did you rule this car out? http://porscheforum.com.au/topic/8218-fs-996-carrera-6spd-47000kms/

Where did my reply go..!? Again - in brief, you snooze - you lose. Looked like a great car but the overall logistics to this novice where a little too much to soon..  Anticipated extended costs (The IMS factor) also bought this car when said and done, over my budget.  'The IMS factor' is a bitch - so many conflicting opinions which have no doubt been done to death on this and many other forums..  But is is a factor that I am very aware of, and need to consider when making my decision. My budget has been revised for the right car - just got to find it.

Has it been sold? Looks to be ideal - dont let the low kms put you off - mines got 38000 on it. I spent roughly 6000 getting new clutch ims and waterpump replaced. This ones had a major service - 4 new tyres and brakes done. There's plenty crop up on car sales that sound awesome and are much cheaper but when you go to see them you realise there's plenty wrong with most of them. Buy the best one you can find - the odd 5 grand here or there isn't going to make much difference in the long run..... oh and if you want a manual definitely don't settle for anything else -

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According to a post in the thread - its been sold to the person person the saw it..

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Gday Dylan, It is most definitely a waiting game.  You know what you want, so it is a matter of stalking the market until it comes along.  My car sat in a dealership for 18 months, I knew it was there but they had to much money on it.  I checked car sales every day for 12 months and then suddenly it dropped 10 grand.  The car was in Sydney and I wasn't.  I quickly organised a PPI which came back clear and after a short negotiation and money transfer the car was on it's way via CEVA.  The first time I saw and drove the car was when it arrived at a mates car yard.  I love it!! My advice is to continue stalking the markets.  You will know when the right one comes along!! Cheers Steve

Unusual that the build code doesn't represent the pictures..?  I wonder why. 939 - Draped leather rear seats  / 982 - Draped leather front seats

Woka thats quite a few boxes ticked on the order form by the looks of it compared to most deliveries but yes thats strange if they aren't there.Possible they have been swapped or sold.

Gen 2 or Gen 1?

A step closer - possibly.  But its an import. Gen 2 Manual MY03 (02/04) with 85000 KM's - Full Porsche History with the car being owned by the same guy for 5 years, 3 of which are in Australia. PPI reads quite well with no real finger pointing to the engine.  A couple of issues, but nothing to undesirable.  As has rightly been pointed out on the forum, better a car without the IMS done so that I can be sure of the job, in getting the job done myself + a clutch which this car needs in the near future.  Needs two new front tyres due to age, key extracts from the PPI attached .. Price is under negotiation still but I've made my price point known as to where I would be comfortable. My plan is to drive and enjoy the car for what it is - to enjoy P Car ownership, and cruise the B roads.  It wouldn't be my daily. BTW - speedo was converted by Porsche in the UK from MPH to KMH just prior to it being put on the boat. Are UK imports really that tainted and if you put yourselves in my position, which side of the fence would you be on..? Thoughts gentleme n - via PM if you prefer, all opinions positive or negative are welcomed.  I'm happy to disclose pricing etc to those that are interested as an aid for me to make a more informed decision. Thanks.

^My 2c. As long as the required fix ups and the fact it's UK delivered are reflected in the price, then no issue. Buy it cheap sell it cheap and enjoy it and don't let any snobs tell you any different. Assuming there is nothing really bad lurking. That said in the air cooled world peoples' perceptions have changed due to scarcity of supply so things previously unacceptable are now OK. Could the same be said for the 996? It's much more a buyers market so you could say why compromise. Also depends on how long you want to keep it for. Sell in a long time and it all becomes less of an issue...Just make sure it's the car you want too. Good luck.

@WOKA I'm a 1st time(?) poster, long time lurker however I've been following this thread with interest since the Australian and NZ market is somehow different (perhaps due to the import tax - I'm NZ based). I have an '03 ex-UK tip, Cab, C4, which was collected from Porsche Sweden (to avoid UK tax), went to Japan before landed in Christchurch in '07.  Genuine and in one-piece, VIN checked against Porsche database, and imported by the Chch Porsche dealer.  Bought it from the Wellington Porsche dealer. It has MPH speedo (KPH in the digital display), no body corrosion whatsoever (I removed wheel liners etc.), sat-nav will need NZ map (can't be bothered), everything worked as they should, and it's been in my possession for the last 5 years.  I've been servicing it regularly (once a year - don't follow the two-year interval BS) and it's behaving like my other NZ-new cars.  It's not throwing any 'exotic' problem, its problems are the common ones car of that age would have.  Exhaust bolts corrosion could be attributed to UK roads however I've never been under a NZ new 996 so can't compare and comment. In NZ while UK cars will be a wee bit cheaper there isn't a strong feeling against them generally.  You'd get ex-UK Audis, BMWs, Bentleys, Mercs etc. easily in NZ, and no one really cares. If I can get in with a lower price-point, why not. Good luck with your search.

If you're comfortable with an import then go for it if the price is right. I'd be concerned about the under body corrosion/surface rust. The other concern is the cold, the US widely debate whether cylinder scoring is attributed to cold weather starts. Its the salt on the UK roads that causes the corrosion.

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These seats look like they need a good drink!!

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Lets say you have 2 996's parked in two seperate garages that are next door to each.  One is a UK import been in Oz for 5 years and the other one is AUD delivered A PPI 18 months ago on the UK import shows rust on exhaust bolts and shifter cable.  A current PPI on the UK import 1 found rust only on an exhaust bolt, a shifter cable and some minor surface rust on a brake caliper.  No report findings with respect to rust on the AUD  delivered one because AUD delivered 996's don't rust.  Would you be marking down (that a trait of snobbery) the UK import on the basis it MAY have  seen some cold  weather starts or salt for 7 years during 2004 and 2011 and  its misspent youth is going creep up on the owner post its teenage years and bite them in the arse as it matures in its adult years.

UK one is now as good as sold - Must of been due to my exposure of the PPI and its potential - even with that grey interior Maybe someone here sniped it Now - about that 50th Anniversary model that's done 5000km (yes 5 thousand) in the last 5 or so years..  Glorified 996 with a LE badge or something special that's worthy of consideration.!? Its like a revolving door here, but the thread just keeps on giving so what the heck.!

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I find the length of your post disappointing. Was expecting 4+ x the length of mine. It is however as nonsensical as usual so no disappointment on that front.

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40th AE is definitely worth looking at!! Are you still looking at a Gen 1, gen 2 or 997 as per your other thread?

BTW if it's a real 40th edition 996 it will have the x51 power kit! Modified intake, exhaust headers, gt3/aero kit ii side skirts, turbo front bar, special shifter and chrome 5 spoke Carrera wheels just to name a few! It's a sought after 996 they can sell for big coin...

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Preference is for a Gen2 996, consideration given to a gen1.  997 is pie in the sky really.

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You realise you & I are the only ones on this forum who actually keep cars longer than 3 years? I bite cars in the arse before they bite me.

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Thanks for reminding me of that. But sorry to disappoint just a little, but I need to disclose that having just registered my recent purchase this week, its technically getting flipped next week, but I'll have first dibs on it again in exactly 12 months time when its due for a flip. But yes I am certaintly going in with the intention of keeping and driving the car for a length of time that one would expect to see a bit of surface rust here and there as it gracefully ages. (Thanks for indirect reminder for me to keep an eye out for a spare ECU so I can put it the war chest of rainy day preventative maintenance replacement parts to stock up on.

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I'm not remotely disappointed. I find it all quite amusing & educative In the words of Marc Bolan "Rock on".

I drove a air cooled 911 yesterday with a 3.0l + 5 speed. Now this has really thrown the cat amongst the pigeons, and totally screwed with my head and my budget. Grin factor - ear to ear and 10/10... Oh dear..

You're catching the Porsche bug... one of each thanks

http://carsales.mobi/cars/details/SSE-AD-3805762?WT.seg_4=PriceAlert&wt.z_driver=Email_PriceAlert Big price drop. Get in son!

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UK import though so price is reflective

So let's help WOKA out here.  I reckon the seller is motivated.  What is a reasonable price for both parties all things considered and based on what we know.  $40k a steal?  $45 about right?  I've got no idea but $45k for a 911 Carrera in good condition sounds like a lot of car for the money.  Remember also that whatever depreciation you incur it's waaaaaay less than anything new or modern.  Say you buy for $45k and sell for $25k in 5 years, well that's chicken feed. WOKA just buy it and tell the forum you paid $38k and we'll all think you're a legend and just get on with enjoying the car.

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Plus an odd's over quote of c15k from Autohaus to get things on the car sorted according to the PPI, including the obligatory IMS replacement.. Bits of paper.!

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Dont walk, run away!

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Tried a low ball offer taking that into account? say $35k + $15k to autohaus = $50k for a sorted example? Of course if there are rust or engine issues i'd run screaming.

15k may be an exageration, as that was the figure told to me when I was selling my 993, however NOTHING actually needed to be done. All the listed things totalling about 15k could be done,It could have possibly done with a respray,engine rebuild,gearbox rebuild,re upholstering, new wheel bearings and new tyres as well,to turn it into a new car again.So treat PPI`s as an indication, rather than gospel as to what HAS to be done, or you could be getting scared off a good car that has normal wear and tear for a 15 year old car. DISCLAIMER , I have no affiliation with any car currently being offered for sale.

I agree Steve - that really is a worst case scenario with: Clutch + flywheel / IMS and RMS plus a few other odds and associated sods internally New struts (insert technical term here) as the bolts on the existing might be frozen and strip when pulled down to do do the top mounts and bump stops .  Of course if the top mounts come away freely then costs are saved there..? Replace lower control arms Play with the air con and regas Run some oil and shiz through it - coolant flush etc, etc..  And a few other things that are in my notes at the office. It's all on the grand and high end of the scale, I appreciate that - however I was surprised to hear of the cost of a pressure plate alone being up around a $1000 > $1500.. Essentially he said factor 5k for L&N retro fit, rear seal and clutch kit.. I figured $3500 tops for that..?  Anyway.. I 'lowballed' (well, what I thought was a good offer) that is still south of the current price drop..  I have offered a refundable deposit based on a visual, but seems he's keen to leave it on the market until I can get down there - which between myself and him both being OS in the interim, can't happen until after easter.! Time will tell - meanwhile..  Next.!

WOKA?

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you really preferred it a lot more to the 996?

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Don't drive a Cayman S then! Just a personal opinion here, as I like older cars. If you're wanting a keeper that will either appreciate or 'probably' stay at the same value, I would go for the air cooled. I like the 996 shape, yet as you and others say, the IMS would be your main concern if it has not been attended to. From what I have read extensively,  and been told by those qualified to comment, the old 3.0 is pretty bulletproof. You would no doubt have little issues that arise with owning an older car that will question why on earth you bought one, yet I think the experience of owning an older Porsche would be more rewarding than a much newer car that you just jump in and drive. I know Porsche nuts that have sold their GT3's, 911's and Cayman's to buy older cars, as they feel they have no soul like a 60's or 70's 911 can provide. I reckon you just answered your own question in your head. 'Grin factor ear to ear and 10/10. 'Nuff said

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and you're selling...............any change of plans ?

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Nope

Shamless bump.. Seems things are drying up..  Post tax time for the next wave of cars..? Still looking but nothing new to the market in the last few weeks.

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Takes time, took me over a year... It will come, keep the search up! There has been a price change on that black 996.2 it's got 165k on it though

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It's a nice looking car - I gave the guy a call, and he's not really wanting to move to much on price.  I think in consideration of the high KM's and his price I'll have to wait for another to come along.. Meanwhile...

Yeah id be slightly hesitant at that may kms too

Flights booked - Lets go kick some tyres in Sydney on Friday morning. (not to see the one mentioned above)

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Details or not sharing just yet??

New on carsales this morning..  Its not a Gen2 but that's a compromise I'm willing to make for the right car, which I hope this one is. Lots of recent work been done including the IMS solution (not retro fit or whatever its called) Lets hope there are no lawn mower men out there willing to cut my grass

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Nice.

Nice one, the IMS solution is the permanent fix where as the retrofit has a service life. Both are excellent remedies for the potentially fatal IMS. Keep us posted!

They sure know how to present and photograph a car.  Hopefully it's as good as it looks!

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Agreed, that is one of the better photographed ads out there. Car does look stunning, hope it lives up to it.

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Nice find WOKA - Bilstein + IMS = Win... Car looks great..... Good luck. Jim.

Woka this car was for sale about six to twelve months ago and hung around for a few months unsold. These are the same original add photos that I to remembered for their great setting to show off the car.Hope this may be the one for you!

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I saw this car over 12 months ago on carsales as well and also thought the pics looked great. IIRC it was priced at 60k+

It looks pretty tidy!  Good luck.

Woka please buy this car it looks fabulous you've been waiting a while and this looks as good as the one I just bought if it ticks all the boxes make a move on it mate these are truly a great drive good luck Hughesy

Tidy and looks great on the 19inch lobsters!  . . .  I'm biased though..

Your car snake ??

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Seat 8D as close to the front without getting rheemed, departing at 6 in the AM.. Keen..?  Yep..!

CAR IS LOCATED NEAR AIRPORT SO THATS A GOOD THING.. REMEMBER GET A PPI DONT LET EMOTIONS OVER RULE YOUR OBJECTIVE JUDGEMENT COOD LUCK WOKA

WOKA, it's been an hour since you set eyes on the car.  Update?

WOKA stop keeping us in such suspense!

Well bigW we are all waiting. To be fair though I took 3 hours to go through the 964 when I bought her. Still , update please

It came up marked as Sold on carsales today, so @WOKA either had a GREAT day or... a really CRAP one if it got sold out from under his nose....

These suspenders are killing me.....

Now bigW stop being a prick and tell us what you've decided/done. Weve all invested a lot of love in this endeavour of yours spill the  farken beans please

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Question for you guys that seem to be up to date with the 996 market. Has there been any movement in the past couple years? Whilst this isn't a for sale or EOI post, I am considering offloading mine but I don't really know how much I would be hoping for. 104,000kms, IMS upgrade, tiptronic, eibach lowered springs, fister mufflers, 18" Cargraphic wheels, Alpine stereo upgrade, great but not awesome condition, horrendous grey interior (read; less boring more luxurious looking than black IMO). Are people buying autos or do they just sit there for months and months?

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You may get what you paid for it!!  I thought you liked your 996??

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I do like it but it's becoming apparent it's not the best daily driver for my current situation, particularly for the kids safety.  Had to brake reasonably hard recently and my daughter smashed her face into the back of my chair. There are plenty of other practical reasons as you can imagine but it would still be tough to let it go.

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tips are disappearing from carsales, if that is anything to go by. Here's what has been removed over the last 8 weeks. Price is list not sale. Each one could have been sold or not. $28,000 - 1998 Porsche 911 Carrera 996 Auto     227,000 km $33,950 - 1998 Porsche 911 Carrera 996 Auto     137,000 km $35,999 - 1999 Porsche 911 Carrera Cabriolet 996 Auto     127,000 km $38,500 - 1999 Porsche 911 Carrera 4 996 Auto AWD     145,000 km $38,990 - 2001 Porsche 911 Carrera Cabriolet 996 Auto     196,880 km $39,500 - 1999 Porsche 911 Carrera 996 Auto     156,000 km $39,950 - 1998 Porsche 911 Carrera 996 Auto     91,500 km $42,990 - 2001 Porsche 911 Carrera Cabriolet 996 Auto     111,500 km $42,990 - 2004 Porsche 911 Carrera Cabriolet 996 Auto     114,000 km $44,750 - 1999 Porsche 911 Carrera Cabriolet 996 Auto     95,850 km $45,000 - 2000 Porsche 911 Carrera 996 Auto     73,700 km $48,800 - 2001 Porsche 911 Carrera Cabriolet 996 Auto     157,000 km $48,990 - 2003 Porsche 911 Carrera 996 Auto     152,300 km $49,950 - 2001 Porsche 911 Carrera 996 Auto     152,596 km $51,000 - 2002 Porsche 911 Carrera Cabriolet 996 Auto     80,000 km $52,500 - 2002 Porsche 911 Carrera 4S 996 Auto AWD     66,000 km $52,880 - 2002 Porsche 911 Carrera Cabriolet 996 Auto     84,441 km $52,888 - 2002 Porsche 911 Carrera Cabriolet 996 Auto     83,308 km $52,950 - 2002 Porsche 911 Carrera Cabriolet 996 Auto     99,224 km $54,000 - 2003 Porsche 911 Carrera 996 Auto     94,000 km $55,000 - 2000 Porsche 911 Carrera 4 996 Auto AWD     52,920 km $57,000 - 2004 Porsche 911 Carrera Cabriolet 996 Auto     24,000 km $59,888 - 2001 Porsche 911 Carrera 996 Auto     116,000 km $59,900 - 2002 Porsche 911 Carrera 996 Auto  28,635 km $59,990 - 2003 Porsche 911 Carrera 996 Auto     42,231 km $60,000 - 2003 Porsche 911 Carrera 4S 996 Auto AWD     123,619 km $68,750 - 2002 Porsche 911 Carrera 4S 996 Auto AWD     65,300 km $68,800 - 2003 Porsche 911 Carrera 4S 996 Auto AWD     71,534 km $74,950 - 2004 Porsche 911 Carrera Cabrio 4S 996 Auto AWD     39,500 km $79,990 - 2003 Porsche 911 Carrera 4S 996 Manual AWD   Manual  43,400 km

I think the market has been stable in the last six months with the odd 4s popping up at mid 50k. Some cheaper gen 1 cars low 30k but middle of the road stuff seems to be around 50k.

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Wow! Thanks for that! That's a lot of cars sold in 8 weeks. It says to me the market is more active than a couple years ago.

Anyone filed a missing person's report?  WOKA's been missing for >24 hours...

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Too busy driving his new car and forgotten about us ....

Don't be liking my post WOKA.  Be posting yourself....!

What is going on?! Woka we need answers...

He's signed a confidentiality agreement.  Bought it from someone famous...Can't say nuffin'.

I'm home..!  What an adventure, what a brilliant car.  I've just put about 1500km on it and 3.5 tanks of juice through it, and not a demerit point lost Missed my flight to Sydney Friday morning, but the happy Virgin dude bumped me to the next flight - hats off to him..  Jetstar - not a chance..  Got to Sydney and caught a cab out to old mates..  What a top bloke, nice family, GREAT car.. Over it, in it, under it..  Had a really good look, and the history file to support it including 7.6k of IMS, clutch and seals etc that he forgot to mention in the add, sealed the deal for me.  What a tight and exhilarating drive - addicted for sure..  This car just feels so raw when you bury your foot, so different to others that I've driven, very impressed..  So, sealed the deal with a handshake and transferred the cash to old mate's account..  Cup of lebanese coffee and a suck on the shisha pipe (not me) and all is good. A bit of a blast around Sydney and up to Katoomba to visit an old friend Hit the road north early Saturday morning and head to Bellingen, just south of Coffs..  Soo many coppers on the road, so many flashing lights, so many dicks getting pulled over..  Stop at the Federal Hotel in Bello for a quick tappie and a poke around, place is fully booked so off to Coffs for the night.. Get pulled by the boys in blue, blow in the bag - all good, on your way..  Woke up bright and early (still on QLD time) and decide to go for an early morning blast around the old road up to Dorrigo..  What a great run, so twisty and fast, have another drink of petrol..  You can really watch the needle drop.!  Up through UIong, and up to Megan - I sort of forgot about the last 25km of dirt road - oh well, all part of the fun, but nice and slow..  Then over the top of the range in the crisp cool mountain air - get that into your lungs Pcar.. Down to Bellingen for a coffee and some breakfast and back through to Coffs..  Got caught going a little fast in a new 60k zone - the friendly highway patrol just flashed his high beam as a casual reminder..  If I were in a WRX I reckon the lights on top would have been flashing...  Off to Byron to the Blues - all access pass - to get home to have a beer..! Started typing up my little story, remembering that I had better get to the airport to pickup the work rig..!  What a long 3 days..  What a ride..  What a fucgging awesome car.. Thank you gentlemen for your patience, for answering all my 'noob' questions, and for taking this ride with me - it's been a pleasure, but really, I think it's only just begun.. Do I qualify for a PFA sticker now..!? Cheers..! Woka - aka Big W..   Lol

FINALLY! Congratulations mate!

Congratulations WOKA. Great to see you go a good one and are happy with it!

Well done bigW. Great news. Your still a prick for keeping us in suspense for so long  ? Nothing like that first trip home especially if it's a long one great pics hughesy

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Tis no interwebs up in them there hills..  Just potatoes.

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Well done WOKA - road trips are my favourite - need to buy another interstate car.  Expect to see you at C&C Brisbane next Saturday...

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Well done Woka.  Looks awesome and sounds like a great experience.  So you bought it on the spot Friday and funds were cleared by Sat and on your way? Took a risk on no PPI as the file was pretty comprehensive?  Do the fronts need a 10-15mm spacer to sort out a decent looking offset or is it just the photo. Congrats.  Must feel great.

Great looking car Woka. Sounds like you can't go too wrong if it's got a great service history.

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It all worked out fine I reckon..  Maybe I took a risk on the lack of a PPI but I rang 'my contact' who gave me a bit of history and advised that the engine had been changed in 2004 - so effectively it's really only got 60k..  I spoke to the mechanic who's worked on it for the last while and he gave it a good report - it drives so well and so tight, starts up smooth, everything under that I can see is clean / new - so I went with my gut..  Transferred the money there and then (CBA to CBA) which showed into his account instantly. Got some thousands taken off the ask and drove away confident.. I think you're right regarding the spacers - is that a job for my local wheel shop..?  The rears are pretty fat and really fill the guards nicely (305 / 35  / 19) so yes, something needs to be done to balance the front.. Plates set it off nicely..

Brilliant colour, i'm biased though Looks good

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Yes plates look good and good on you for following your instincts and using common sense re PPI.  Sometimes you just got to act.  Re wheel spacers I'd say not for the local wheel shop.  I'd get high quality hub-centric spacers from the net but you also need to ensure you get the appropriate length wheel studs.  You may find for a 10mm spacer your std lugs are OK but do your research.  There is a specific # of threads of engagement for a given diameter of lug.  Pelican Parts will likely have all the info you need or someone local here.  Also do your research on what the final offset will end up being with a spacer as you don't want guard rubbing. http://www.willtheyfit.com/ is very useful.  If you add a 10mm spacer your positive offset # will reduce by 10.  e.g. go from 40 to 30.  Have a play and see how you go.

Well done Woka, congrats on a fantastic looking car

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I'll have to sell the Barry Manilow Wagon ( 2010 320D Coupe / black on black for anyone looking ) and get a 928 I reckon.! Always loved 928's..

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First the 996 now a 928 would complete the package as well as being a very smart move

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I personally love the 928 also...A+ to the Koenig version... just not barbee pink like I saw one for sale awhile back.

Checked out WOKA's 996 today at Brisbane C&C.  Lovely car, well bought.  Hard to imagine paying the same or more money for a manky old SC or 2.7...

Thanks Rob - good to catch up.  I'm really enjoying it, its a great drive. What a great spectacle C&C was today. I really think the Porsche's far out numbered any other marque there..  Such a great variety of cars though over all.

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Hard to put a comparison on a "manky old SC or 2.7"..... I would take the manky one ..... nothing against the 996, but it doesn't float "my" boat ,..... No offence WOKA .....

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Well I got a 996 and an SC and I see the appeal of both.  However if you had 1 I'd choose the 996 as it's far more accessible.  It's a lot of car for the money and I reckon they'll be appreciated more in the future than they are currently.  Engines will be rebuilt, interiors upgraded, and the fried egg lights will be sought after, they will be loved.

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Thanks Pork Chops..... For me it is more about the impact bumper being my poster car ... not about anything being wrong with the 996 ..... Now .... the 996TT ..... thats a different story ....

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each to their own of course but I'm regarding WOKA's honeymoon period. It's a special time...

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You have a poster of a 996TT too?

I too have a 996 but also had a SC years ago and for driving pleasure the 996 is a no brainer however from an investment point of view the sc is certainly leading the way. Often have thoughts of my sc with factory air conditioning hardly making an impact also the smell of oil wofting through the cabin upon turning the heating on,all little characteristics of the sc but still enjoyed every ownership moment.

10 days 5 tanks of fuel 2200 odd KM's Am I having fun..?  Yep - I most certainly am. Fresh oil today - had it on the hoist, clean as a whistle underneath.  Loving ownership.

I'm with Rod C, having sold my 88 3.2 at the wrong time financially and bought a 996 two years later, I have few regrets.

There are a couple of decent looking low km 996.1 C4s on the market at the moment and one low km 996.1 C2, all priced about the same ($50-55k).  What are people's views on a 996.1 C4 vs a 996.1 C2 as a daily driver?

Do you want a third pedal with your daily..? C2 or C4 much of a muchness I'd say as a daily - wouldn't make an iota of difference really IMO, other that as others have said, a 4 might be better off the line with more grip in the wet. I think as a daily in city traffic a manual might be a bit of a chore over time though, so keep another daily with a tragic parked close by as backup

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Thanks for your help.  Definitely want to have a manual.  My commute is usually at times of light traffic so not a problem (doing it in a manual now). Any thoughts on whether C4 will hold value as well as a C2?

I think that in the Gen 1 a C2 would be a better more pure proposition and in the Gen 2, a C4S would be the better proposition due to better turbo body styling.  But its all speculative and subjective..  Drive to enjoy.! Seems seldom used garage queens will appreciate and daily drivers will get driven ..

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take them both for test drive... I have 996.1 C2, and ws going to buy C4S. There is a big difference.. MORE power than 996.1, feels a little bigger, better brakes and fantastic sound system. just don't buy auto. Very sluggish gear shifts in the one i test drove. for the price of any 996, they are absolute great value and one hell of a nice drive no matter what one you get... just ask WOKA. I ended up not selling my 996 as yet, (never advertised it) as its pretty unique manual with more factory options than any other I've seen. I bought a second porsche, but my new old car is 85 model with hot 930 running gear.. lots of fun... Any porsche is addictive and now Ive found a sweet barn find that I'm looking to get, so may have to part ways with 996. so my opinion, if you can stretch another 5-10 k, C4S is way to go. Glad you found right car WOKA..looks great, nice colour.  They are pretty good to drive hey! What factory options does it have? those wheels off a 997? Not sure if yours has exuast mods, if not , they sound way better with cool pipes. Forget about 928, save your pennys and get a TURBO

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It's been interesting to watch local 996 prices over the last few months. As mentioned here , an immaculate, low km, one-owner 996.2 C4S sold today for just shy of six figures. They're coming within spitting distance of some 996TT prices.

WOKA - great to see you joying the car for what it actually does, and not worrying about stats, spec and other such details.  I'm currently having a driving holiday with the 996.1 in the Black Forest in Germany...the biggest problem with the car by far is the bit that goes between the steering wheel, the drivers seat and the pedals.  3.4 vs 3.6? Completely irrelevant once you're out in the hills having fun.

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Let me know if and when you do look at selling the 996.1

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Avon, mandatory you start a pic and vid heavy thread documenting your travels. Mandatory. Aus car taken to Germany for a thrashing? This is ahead for me. Take in some unlimited roads, mountain ranges, Euro tracks.....

Mmm ok, don't want to hijack this thread

Just came across the PCA 996 special interest group site which I had never seen before. Looks like it might be a great additional resource for people who are considering a 996. In particular: IMS - http://www.996revolution.com/imsb.html Engine issues - http://www.996revolution.com/m96-engines.html Values - http://www.996revolution.com/investment.html

Almost 5 years on and I'm still loving this car -  the 996 is such a great machine, and it's definitely getting better with age.  I think they look sensational, fried eggs and all.  I always look back to it and smile.  Its a beautiful thing. Been driving the 76 3.0 AC quite a bit recently and have neglected  the 996.  Decided to pull it out, give it a wash and go for a rev.  Awesome.  Brakes that work, air-con than works, power steering, slick gears, luxury.!  Perfect for the QLD summers, though 100+, windows down, in the AC note is also a pretty special place too. Just saying.

Nice to hear you’re still enjoying her, given I have similar thoughts, you made me go back through your 10 page thread for posterity. They truly are a good thing 👍