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I've just fitted the new arches to mine along with some sliding windows so it looks a little different now; for good measure the 996 also sneaked into the pic
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I used the 101 projects book but Wayne from Pelican Parts.
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So apart from potential return on investment (a phrase on car forums that makes me want to set my eyeballs on fire) what makes this less than half as much car as a GT3?
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You need to use the console delete project in congunction with short shift instal project.
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I've just fitted the new arches to mine along with some sliding windows so it looks a little different now; for good measure the 996 also sneaked into the pic
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So apart from potential return on investment (a phrase on car forums that makes me want to set my eyeballs on fire) what makes this less than half as much car as a GT3?
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as a business model then that's a consideration, but my point is you will spend more than GT3 money to strip and bolt parts onto a stock 996 and still not end up with half as much car.
100,000 GBP to lose 260kg!!?
So it was 1377 kg at the start, so now must be 1117 kg, not bad but bloody expensive!! A bit OCD....
Don't mind the red, can't stand the duck tail or wheels on a 996 though!
I love the wheels and the tail too, not so keen on the bumpers.
It is a lot of money but I think that includes Hartech engine rebuild and a lot of bespoke stuff he's engineered and had made himself, including suspension/hubs, carbon fibre panels.
I'm hoping he'll go to market with his bits and became the Alfaholics of the 996 world. Alfaholics have done a great job of draining my wallet over the last few years, and with talk of a 996 CLR at 300bhp/tonne, if he gets himself a fancy website reckon I'll be in debt for another next century or two with the 996.
Hi Rennbob - I would like to complete the centre console delete as well - just on the research hunt now (I would PM this but I cannot seem to get that to work)
- If you have time would like to chat about supplier / difficulty / cost / etc , I'm in Sydney as well cheers Shane
Here is a post at Pelican parts about centre console delete
http://www.pelicanparts.com/techarticles/Porsche-996-997-Carrera/75-BODY-GT3_Center_Console_Delete/75-BODY-GT3_Center_Console_Delete.htm
Shane,
I used the 101 projects book but Wayne from Pelican Parts. You need to use the console delete project in congunction with short shift instal project.
Rob
The way I look at it that's slightly missing the point, the guy has a 997 GT3RS, so he could obviously afford to just buy a 996GT3. Yes he did spend 100K GBP to build this particular car including manufacture of parts/panels and engine rebuild, but if he goes to market this car becomes more of a production mule. He's recognised the boggo 996 provides a great platform for 'adding' lightness. If he goes to market with the lightweight parts/panels he'd be doing something similar to what Alfaholics does for owners of Alfa Giulia Sprint GT/GTV's. Not many of us can afford to immediately turn them into the full bells n whistles 290 GTA R, but we can pick and choose their bespoke parts and panels over the years, as we can afford, and gradually build our cars into something not dissimilar. The great thing with the boggo 996 and Giulia Sprint is their
relative low get in cost.
Granted and I get it............but................its still a lot of investment for what would still be a sub-standard product when compared to a base factory GT3. If their is an incentive in relation to producing parts etc. as a business model then that's a consideration, but my point is you will spend more than GT3 money to strip and bolt parts onto a stock 996 and still not end up with half as much car.
Its a slippery slope and there will come a time when you realise that you've just spent a bomb on your base 996 (even at a cheap buy in) and will ask yourself the question if its all been worth it. You can buy a pre 89 911 and pretty much build an RS rep or whatever for not overly stupid money. Its a different proposition with the later model cars though, they don't translate to the same extent or at least not without considerably more $$$ thrown at them.
Each to their own, just my 2 cents.
Not to say I don't appreciate the effort, just trying to keep it all in perspective.
It would appear the 911&PorscheWorld journo thinks the driving experience is at least as special as the GT3. But it's still not a GT3 I hear you say. So apart from potential return on investment (a phrase on car forums that makes me want to set my eyeballs on fire) what makes this less than half as much car as a GT3?
The 100K GBP part spent to make almost a GT3.
I'm not fussed about return on investment, I'm looking at value. Spending 100k+ to buy and mod a standard 996 vs just buying a stock GT3 to me is a no brainer, unless you want the satisfaction of building your own car etc. but just understand whilst doing so Porsche are probably better than most at doing this.
How much difference is in a stock 993 over a 993RS? How much difference is in a 991 GT3 over a 991 Cup Car? The difference is more than what most people recognise and this is evident in how mush this guy has spent trying to recreate something "similar".
The newer the cars get the harder it gets too.
I'm not trying to rain on anyone's parade, they are just 2 very different propositions from what I can see.
You're right, I wouldn't straight up spend 100K GBP on a standard 996 either, couldn't afford to even if I wanted to, but then I can't afford a GT3 either. But something like this provides an alternative to aspire to, just like the Alfaholics the 290 GTA R. If the products become available at non-stratospheric prices, over many years of fiddlings in the shed I may rack up a tidy sum modifying my 996 into a semi-CLR but I reckon I'd end up with a lot more than half the car with a lot less overall spend than a GT3. Plus I'd have a lot of fun along the way.
My suggestion is to see if someone is nice enough to let you drive their GT3 before you start your project. You may be surprised at what the car gives you.
If you are not impressed - My suggestion is buy some cup car doors, coilover suspension, aftermarket aero, cup car engine and gearbox, seats and harnesses, cup car brakes.
You will have spent $60k and will have 5 seconds a lap on old mate.
Just something to think about while you are having a quiet drink.
You can do it in your own time.
Great to see 996 appreciation over in Oz ;)
I've not worked on the CLR996 for some time now and the funny thing is this thread mentions the 290 GTA-R, which is pretty much the reason I've not been. Crazy little thing below refers ;)
Anyway just checking in as hopefully I'll be all over the 996 like a rash again soon to finish off the final stage of development, sadly not removing the lipstick as some may have hoped for, but basically chassis set-up, which I'll be doing this with pro race drivers from Manthey Racing in Germany. This was all planned for this year but C-19 and other BS has put a spanner in the works.
Those 'new' Alfa GTA-R's are being made by Classic Alfa and Alfaholics in carbon fibre with amazing motors. My 68 Alfa GTV is all original and goes well and handles superbly. I can only imagine how those GTA-R's go! Chris Harris was blown away by the power and the handling (240HP 2.4L, and circa 800kgs). And rates it as one of his best drives ever and better than mega expensive modern Supercars.
This is one of my fave vids.
Chris harris gets so excited by this, and it really stirs my Alfa soul.
Definitely part of the dream garage to have an Alfa 105 GTV (GTA replica) and Porsche 996GT3 together.
Thanks Jeff, the engine is the F20C. Honda's F20C engine held the record for producing the highest specific power output for any mass production naturally aspirated piston engine, at 123.5 HP/L, until Ferrari began production of the 458 Italia in 2010, which produced 124.5 HP/L. The F20C revs to 9000rpm, is unbelievably strong and reliable even at this level of tune. The engine was completely stripped down and rebuilt as new then some special track orientated modifications added, baffled sump etc. A completely unique custom fabricated ITB system was made, it utilises F1 engine type injection with the injectors housed within the trumpets... . In the current state of tune it is making around 265bhp and weighs 850kg.
A few more pics here:
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&f=&t=1881501
Glad you approve Lee, you may be a little disappointed though as I've had to make considerable changes to the car for various reasons (All aero gone, no spoilers...). Below better reflects how it currently is but since this picture from a month or so back I've also now widened the front arches by another 30mm
^^ brilliant engine, I had an F20C and 6 speed in a 620kg Westfield clubman. (400hp/tonne) - the way that thing sounded with a RH side exhausting blaring at 9300rpm
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Fantastic car that Lee. Not sure about the exposed oil cooler lines though. I've just fitted the new arches to mine along with some sliding windows so it looks a little different now; for good measure the 996 also sneaked into the pic
Yellow coat pig tails, knocks about in Sweden when not doing trans-atlantic sailing jollies with hippy friends. I believe she is in the process of saving the planet or something. You may have heard of her
Apologies for this not being the 996 guys but a pretty little car being abused around the Nurburgring is I'm sure something we can all appreciate
Enjoy.
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