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Got my starter motor replaced; immediately solved the issue it seems.
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Had a dodgy purge valve that was replaced + coolant piping was hissing.
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On the 996 :Disconnect battery, remove airbox, TB, plenum, 2nd plenum - optional (I wouldn't recommend it), disconnect starter, remove starter, disconnect cable from alternator, un route cable by removing jump start box OR undo AC compressor to make room for the cable with the box attached.
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Need to disconnect some of its hoses when you do the starter / cable.
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On the 996 :Disconnect battery, remove airbox, TB, plenum, 2nd plenum - optional (I wouldn't recommend it), disconnect starter, remove starter, disconnect cable from alternator, un route cable by removing jump start box OR undo AC compressor to make room for the cable with the box attached.
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On the 996 :Disconnect battery, remove airbox, TB, plenum, 2nd plenum - optional (I wouldn't recommend it), disconnect starter, remove starter, disconnect cable from alternator, un route cable by removing jump start box OR undo AC compressor to make room for the cable with the box attached.
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Hey Guys,
Need to get some advice from my fellow 996 - 997 owners. My lovely 1998 996 Carrera 2 is starting... well its not starting once the engine gets hot and i've let it sit for about 2-5 minutes. The starter doesn't tick.. after a few minutes it does a single crank and a few minutes later it starts up really slowly. Battery is fine and showing good charge even when cranking.
Just wondering, has anyone had their one recondition (if so where?)or is it better to directly replace them (bosch, dansk brand) also is their any solutions for the heat soaked starter?
Does anyone have one that they would like to sell ?
Cheers,
I had my 996 starter reconditioned when I bought the car. Cost about $250 from memory (auto electrician cost, not including whatever the mechanic charged to remove and refit). I wasn’t having hot start issues, though - after doing the IMS solution and replacing all plugs and coils the starter was struggling on cold start. Reconditioning solved the problem.
It may be the alternator to starter cable too. A simple voltage test of alternator output vs voltage at the jump terminal posts will determine if the cable is getting heat soaked.
I had the dealership replace mine, in hindsight I could have done it myself.
Id replace both the starter and the cable then you should be all good. EBay have Bosch units brand new for around $300-350 from memory.
Hi Pokiou,
Had the same problem with very difficult (or at the end no) starts on hot starts on my 2008 Carrera S.
Did the full replacement myself of Starter Motor and A/S B+ Cable. Was hard and tedious but worked awesome in the end and saved me giving 2.5+ kAUD to dealer/indy.
See my before/after videos:
I got a brand new Dansk Starter and an OEM harness under revision 4.
Happy to help, still fresh in my head!
Looking to DIY?
I also had some doubts before ordering as I generally prefer to take OEM parts. In that case with such a price difference, I decided to not go OEM. I'd definitely rather go non-OEM and brand new rather than reconditioned - no idea how long a reconditionned part will last.
It's great overall; it may sound a little different - maybe a bit higher pitched (The 2nd video might reflect this), although my old started was low pitched because it was dead, so might not be that much different. No idea how it'll last over time either. So far so good, I'd say it's excellent for the time being.
Happy to meet up if you want to hear it or wanna have a chat.
For the record, i bought this
DB Electrical SBO0162 starter motor, and it fit and works fine.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00H3R9DTM/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
This was for a 996.2, but double check it fits for 996.1
About 200AUD all up for a new starter delivered.
Hasn't missed a beat. I didn't change my y cable since i didn't have the hot soak issue.
Installing myself took some interesting arm twisting and long sockets adapters.. but doable.
i remember pretty dam quick, around 1 week.. fulfilled by amazon, so it's normally pretty quick.
but things from the US/UK has been coming quicker than things from the eastern states to perth..
Hi Guys/Gals,
Quick update, i ordered
DB Electrical SBO0162
as it was the cheaper option. How different can a starter motor be from another one?
Has anyone wrapped there starter motor in those heat wraps to keep the heat off of the motor?
Doesn't seem like a good idea.
1. It's buried far deep, you won't be able to check if your shield is degrading. If it does, you'll need to remove plenty of parts to repair.
2. An engine stays hot during hours after use. There's no way a shield will keep that heat away. it might keep it in :-)
3. I'd rather change my starter every 5 years than to risk compromising the engine/accessories.
Just my view, but it's your car :-)
Rear compartment fan will turn on if the engine compartment temp is >80 degrees C or coolant temp is >102 degrees C
It can be tested using a PIWIS or another Porsche specific computer. I believe Weissach have an Autologic tester. You can also disconnect it and give it 12v to see it working.
yeah i wouldn't bother wrapping it. Although it's a bit of an arm twist the job wasn't too hard. and the part is cheap (compared to others).
Also i assume it needs to let heat out, wrapping plus heat soak may make it worse.
our cars are ~15 -16 yrs old now, so once every 15-16 yrs isn't too much.
And once you install it, you'll find it's plenty strong for any condition. (unless u got a cable problem too)
Well, talk about quick. My starter motor is sitting on my desk at work. I also took all of April off so looks like i got some work cut out for me and
@Francois
I might have a look at it myself first.
I'll keep you all posted. I also removed my aftermarket headunit and all its crap. 14kg.... Clarion VZ709a + All cables + Navigation system + Media extender + more cables lol...
Either:
99660701901
or
99660701903
Quote your VIN to PCM or PCB and they can confirm which part you require, requires removal of the alternator and either removing the plastic jump start box temporarily from the cable or moving the AC compressor to fit it through.
Cable is: starter motor cable (number 21):
Yeah - good idea, would recommend too.
Hey Dan, how far does this cable run on a 996? If i remember our conversation a few months ago, it seems to be more accessible than on the 997.
For mine, I had to go unbolt it underneath the car, where it ran to (almost) the center of the car, or at least far in front of the rear wheels. Raising the car was really inevitable.
How far is the last bolt holding that infamous cable on the 996? Accessible from the engine bay?
Air/Oil Separator (AOS) can also be a wise replacement while in there if you have any signs of weakness. Wouldn't do it preventively though.
Doesn't run very far, I think you maybe changed a few other cables then if it was under the car?
On the 996 :Disconnect battery, remove airbox, TB, plenum, 2nd plenum - optional (I wouldn't recommend it), disconnect starter, remove starter, disconnect cable from alternator, un route cable by removing jump start box OR undo AC compressor to make room for the cable with the box attached.
Installation is the reverse however on the new cable heat up the plastic box to remove it from the cable OR if you undid the AC compressor the cable + box will fit through, re-route the cable.
AOS is a BIG job, left side intake needs to be removed and the engine needs to be dropped a bit to gain access.
If you need an extra set of hands i'm in Essendon - happy to help out
Here are some threads that can help:
https://rennlist.com/forums/996-forum/764630-updated-alternator-starter-cable-4.html
- replacing cable
https://rennlist.com/forums/996-forum/870715-alternator-starter-cable-replacement-simplified.html
- removing jump box
Ok, probably some significant differences.
It's definitely only one cable on the 997, I replaced it not so long ago - I'll probably never forget :-)
Much longer than 996 then.
AOS is straightforward when doing this job on the *7 - definitely no need to lower the engine, so probably another major difference!
Cheers :-)
Oh yeah - just did a quick search - looks like a PITA!
On the 997, it's right behind the throttle body / plenum. Need to disconnect some of its hoses when you do the starter / cable.
I'll be flying around most of April... I can do 1st and 2nd of April and then it pushes back to the 24th or after... sorry...
I'll be flying around most of April... I can do 1st and 2nd of April and then it pushes back to the 24th or after... sorry...
Ok, guys i now have all the parts, just out of curiosity. Did we want to do this at my house or did
@dan_189
or
@Francois
want me to come to their house?
i have a single garage thats covered by tight... my tools are limited as during the house move my wife made the mistake of throwing out some tools (sidchrome) out.
Hey guys, I'm back! Sorry - had a busy week and didn't get the chance to come down to PFA.
I can come with my tools: torque wrench, ratchets, adapters, sockets, e-torx, extension, wobble extensions, etc. I event have a PIWIS Tester II since Wednesday this week!
What day are we looking at?
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Bump. old post, same problem.
Ahh this is my exact problem on my 04 996.
Did this solve yourself problem?
after a long drive (sometimes to stop and get petrol) it’s a nervous moment each time I start the car up again. Usually have to wait until there is no one around!
Right. I definitely won’t do it myself, but so far it has been hard to diagnose. Having read this, however, it is an almost identical thing.
You don’t happen to have any idea on cost do you?
Depends on where you go will dictate cost. Also there is a way to measure the voltage drop from the cable but really if you're getting the symptoms then just pull the trigger and get the cable and starter done.
Cable is from memory $120+ starters vary based on brand and if it's new or refurbished. Bosch is the OEM.
Got my starter motor replaced; immediately solved the issue it seems. Cable looked okay.
Car winds up very quickly now.
Had a dodgy purge valve that was replaced + coolant piping was hissing.
Hopefully the end of that issue!
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