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Good write up ,thanks for sharing. May I ask how much this extensive service cost ?

Thats an absolute delight

So satisfying! May I ask, who you used to refurbish your Mg wheels? I plan on getting Mg wheels for my 991.2 3RS. Edited by mlhj83 on Sunday 14th April 20:41

Love the GT, just looks and sounds right. That lot must have made you wince though ?

mlhj83 said: So satisfying! May I ask, who you used to refurbish your Mg wheels? I plan on getting Mg wheels for my 991.2 3RS. Edited by mlhj83 on Sunday 14th April 20:41 Porsche Reading did them - they have a really good bodyshop. Cheers

Pericoloso said: Good write up ,thanks for sharing. May I ask how much this extensive service cost ? It was more than usual because I elected to have some parts repainted and there were some one-offs like engine mount replacement. All told it was just over £20k for the service and a similar sum for the gearbox work (including shipping), which, as I mentioned, including some elective work to replace the differential parts with the forged components. Cheers

Thank you - always a joy to look at these pics - good to hear you are still enjoying the car

Such a beautifully engineered car. One of the greatest drivers cars ever created. Enjoy

That is an engineering masterpiece and the work you have had done demonstrates to the uninitiated what a full service history on a car like that entails,simply automotive art.

Wow well done thanks for sharing, do you know Adam? He’s got one as well, same colour, red interiors.

Throughly enjoyed reading that, thanks very much for posting, the quality of engineering is just incredible. When you think a bog standard service can get to £1k pretty quickly and is less than a days owrk I really don’t think that cost was that bad ! Thought it would have been more to be honest.

Absolutely stunning piece of automotive engineering, thanks for sharing and for looking after it in the manner you do. It now looks factory fresh and a total credit to Porsche Reading and others for doing the work and to you for not scrimping on the costs involved. These cars are a high point in unfiltered involvement and a relative bargain when compared to F40s, 288GTOs, F50s, Enzos etc. I have spent a little time looking over a few of them and the level of engineering is exquisite, I would love the opportunity to actually experience one on track some day. Thanks for sharing, again.

Fabulous. Carlsberg Racing should be a whole grid of these with best drivers in the world fighting it out IROC style

Great pictures. They are the car to own in my opinion. I do not know of anything better. Do you still own the Riviera Blue 964 3.6 turbo ?

Really enjoyed that....thanks for sharing.

stefan1 said: Pericoloso said: Good write up ,thanks for sharing. May I ask how much this extensive service cost ? It was more than usual because I elected to have some parts repainted and there were some one-offs like engine mount replacement. All told it was just over £20k for the service and a similar sum for the gearbox work (including shipping), which, as I mentioned, including some elective work to replace the differential parts with the forged components. Cheers Holy moly. That’s a lot of wedge, but what a car.

Wow wow, now this is what PistonHeads is all about. What a car and what a top bloke for posting that.

GT4RS said: Wow wow, now this is what PistonHeads is all about. What a car and what a top bloke for posting that. +100

Just wow! Often used, but rarely justified definition of Car Porn right here.

Many thanks for another superb photographic record of the CGT major service. Only the front grilles to give away that the car is at 20k miles and not just rolled off the production line at Leipzig. The gearbox refurb is interesting. Were they able to link the problem you reported to the crack found or is this just a case of normal wear and tear with wearing parts needing replacement from time to time? The clutch at just under 30mm sounds fine for miles to come. 29.4mm here at 44k miles. With the painting, do they take it back to the bare “metal”? One of the attractive features of the original factory paint is that in certain light you can see the effect of the underlying carbon weave in the paint surface. Enjoy the Euro trip. The 92l tank should come in handy.

What a machine. Looks absolutely immaculate. I'm dropping my car into Reading next week so will hopefully have a chance to look around the workshop again. They always have something interesting in there.

Great thread OP. Those cogs are shifting some serious torque, so I guess a re-build at that sort of mileage is not as bad as first appears. I'm sure it wasn't cheap though. It's great to see cars being used properly and being maintained as they should.

always a pleasure to see the service pictures you put up. There I was thinking I had been unstinting in my maintenance of the car but clearly not a patch on you! Interesting about the gearbox too, I had 3rd gear being a bit recalcitrant a few years ago but more (high rev ) mileage and new gearbox oil seems to have solved that for now. Good to know the gearbox manufacturer will still be able to refurb if required.

It's quite incredible how gearbox oil can transform a shift. My car's latest service dictated a swap of oil (which is going to have to be dropped again this week, when the new diff plates and ramps are fitted ) and it's noticeably improved the shift.

Fabulous! Interesting on the re-design of the differential parts, mine is due it's fourth 4 year engine out service next year and second has become notchy again, I had 3rd gear synchro replaced and one of the selector mechanism parts (which is now a paperweight in my office) by Hor a few years ago and will ask Reading to send the box back when the engines out.

Fabulous. Carlsberg Racing should be a whole grid of these with best drivers in the world fighting it out IROC style

Hi Stefan, Nice write up and always good to hear the service regime followed by owners. How frequently would you recommend lacquering the magnesium wheels ? Also, do you exercise your CGT on a relatively frequent basis, even over the winter period or do you store it carefully without issue? Great thread and interesting to compare CGT ownership experiences. J

coyft said: A quick question on the clutch use. How do you nip out at a junction without using the accelerator before the clutch is fully out? Also if you're on a hill is it OK to hold the car on the clutch (without accelerator)? Only way to avoid premature/ possibly heavy clutch wear is to use no throttle at all until you are moving. On a hill I use the handbrake to stop it rolling back until I feel the clutch start to engage and the anti stall giving some revs.

coyft said: Great write up and wonderful to see the enthusiasm of a fellow owner. I'm very new to CGT ownership and hope to use it quite a lot this summer. A quick question on the clutch use. How do you nip out at a junction without using the accelerator before the clutch is fully out? Also if you're on a hill is it OK to hold the car on the clutch (without accelerator)? You may already do this, but for better/easier clutch control, rest the heel of your foot at the base the clutch pedal and release the clutch by lifting your toes. That way you can measure out the clutch more consistently and with control. As previous poster states, never ride the clutch (that’s expensive !!!). Use your had brake on hill starts and I tend to try and keep rolling where possible.

JPCGT said: You may already do this, but for better/easier clutch control, rest the heel of your foot at the base the clutch pedal and release the clutch by lifting your toes. That way you can measure out the clutch more consistently and with control. As previous poster states, never ride the clutch (that’s expensive !!!). Use your had brake on hill starts and I tend to try and keep rolling where possible. Have I slipped onto a parallel London to Brighton Veteran Car Run thread? Actually and being serious, this stuff is interesting to those of us that will never get to drive a CGT never mind own one DW

coyft said: A quick question on the clutch use. How do you nip out at a junction without using the accelerator before the clutch is fully out? Also if you're on a hill is it OK to hold the car on the clutch (without accelerator)? As 993rsr and JPCGT have both said on hills use the handbrake and trust the anti stall. It is worth just having a practice reaching the handbrake with the door closed as the gap is quite narrow and for me it is finger tip only; as for nipping out into traffic in a CGT that is above my pay grade but I do try wherever possible to keep the wheels rolling. The engine is astonishingly tractable at low rpm and will pull away cleanly from very slow speed. Leave a much bigger gap than normal to the car in front and hopfully time your arrival for when the junction is clear. Turning left at an uphill T junction is a particular treat as visibility is also compromised. That's the theory but in practice just enjoy driving the finest road car every made.

David W. said: JPCGT said: You may already do this, but for better/easier clutch control, rest the heel of your foot at the base the clutch pedal and release the clutch by lifting your toes. That way you can measure out the clutch more consistently and with control. As previous poster states, never ride the clutch (that’s expensive !!!). Use your had brake on hill starts and I tend to try and keep rolling where possible. Have I slipped onto a parallel London to Brighton Veteran Car Run thread? Actually and being serious, this stuff is interesting to those of us that will never get to drive a CGT never mind own one DW The clutch is very interesting. It was the first attempt at a carbon ceramic clutch in a production car (PCCC, Porsche Ceramic Composite Clutch). The beauty of this is not only is it very compact (6 1/4" in diameter) allowing the engine to be located lower in the car than a traditional clutch getting the mass lower in the chassis, but it is extremely light meaning the engine revs with seemingly little inertia due to the lower rotational mass compared to a conventional clutch - 10 times less. Used correctly they are very durable, and it's worth overcoming the aggravation of become conversant (I saw it as a challenge to master, rather than a problem) with it for the benefits offered. Edited by 993rsr on Monday 15th April 18:38

993rsr said: The clutch is very interesting. It was the first attempt at a carbon ceramic clutch in a production car (PCCC, Porsche Ceramic Composite Clutch). The beauty of this is not only is it very compact (6 1/4" in diameter) allowing the engine to be located lower in the car than a traditional clutch getting the mass lower in the chassis, but it is extremely light meaning the engine revs with seemingly little inertia due to the lower rotational mass compared to a conventional clutch - 10 times less. Used correctly they are very durable, and it's worth overcoming the aggravation of become conversant (I saw it as a challenge to master, rather than a problem) with it for the benefits offered. Edited by 993rsr on Monday 15th April 18:38 The thing that intrigues me is the way the anti stall is able to give just the right amount of revs to get the car moving whereas my right foot on the gas pedal can’t. I would be very interested to learn how it works.

lowndes said: 993rsr said: The clutch is very interesting. It was the first attempt at a carbon ceramic clutch in a production car (PCCC, Porsche Ceramic Composite Clutch). The beauty of this is not only is it very compact (6 1/4" in diameter) allowing the engine to be located lower in the car than a traditional clutch getting the mass lower in the chassis, but it is extremely light meaning the engine revs with seemingly little inertia due to the lower rotational mass compared to a conventional clutch - 10 times less. Used correctly they are very durable, and it's worth overcoming the aggravation of become conversant (I saw it as a challenge to master, rather than a problem) with it for the benefits offered. Edited by 993rsr on Monday 15th April 18:38 The thing that intrigues me is the way the anti stall is able to give just the right amount of revs to get the car moving whereas my right foot on the gas pedal can’t. I would be very interested to learn how it works. Reading all this about how you have to learn how to drive the car at pedestrian speeds...never mind at anything close to the edge of its performance envelope makes me want one even more!

993rsr said: Fabulous! Interesting on the re-design of the differential parts, mine is due it's fourth 4 year engine out service next year and second has become notchy again, I had 3rd gear synchro replaced and one of the selector mechanism parts (which is now a paperweight in my office) by Hor a few years ago and will ask Reading to send the box back when the engines out. I also had those selector parts replaced too...worth asking about the differential for sure. Cheers

JPCGT said: Hi Stefan, Nice write up and always good to hear the service regime followed by owners. How frequently would you recommend lacquering the magnesium wheels ? Also, do you exercise your CGT on a relatively frequent basis, even over the winter period or do you store it carefully without issue? Great thread and interesting to compare CGT ownership experiences. J I have had them done every four years. In the meantime, they always pick up the odd stone chip and it's a small cost to keep them in 100% condition (particularly given how expensive a replacement wheel would be). I tend to leave the car for no more than 3 months, even over winter, although I'll avoid salty roads obviously. As ever with Porsche, the car starts on the button every time.

coyft said: Great write up and wonderful to see the enthusiasm of a fellow owner. I'm very new to CGT ownership and hope to use it quite a lot this summer. A quick question on the clutch use. How do you nip out at a junction without using the accelerator before the clutch is fully out? Also if you're on a hill is it OK to hold the car on the clutch (without accelerator)? Others here have given great advice. All I'd add is that for hill starts the alternative is to hold the car on the footbrake, and then lift the clutch to the biting point, and just when you sense the anti-stall has kicked in (when the revs drop and then recover), gently roll off the footbrake and clutch at the same time. I find this easier than reaching down for the handbrake - and it also avoids the temptation to put your right foot on the throttle because it is on the brake! Enjoy the car!

stefan1 said: I have had them done every four years. In the meantime, they always pick up the odd stone chip and it's a small cost to keep them in 100% condition (particularly given how expensive a replacement wheel would be). I tend to leave the car for no more than 3 months, even over winter, although I'll avoid salty roads obviously. As ever with Porsche, the car starts on the button every time. Thanks Stefan. I’ll factor a lacquer coat on my wheels at the next 4 year service. Regarding laying up over winter, I’m coming to the conclusion that they’re best given a run every so often, rather than left sat idle, even when prepped carefully.

Cheib said: Reading all this about how you have to learn how to drive the car at pedestrian speeds...never mind at anything close to the edge of its performance envelope makes me want one even more! Tbh I think quite a bit of a big deal is sometimes made about it because getting it moving from stationary is different than normal due to the no throttle thing. Once rolling it's basically like any other car - albeit one where the revs rise and drop very very quickly. With regards to hill starts, I tend to do what stefan1 says above, feet on both brake and clutch and roll off when the clutch starts to engage rather than handbrake. Still get rather stressed at uphill busy roundabouts though!

OOI, any idea on clutch replacement cost ? and expected life span ?

Amazing photo's, love it!

lowndes said: 993rsr said: The clutch is very interesting. It was the first attempt at a carbon ceramic clutch in a production car (PCCC, Porsche Ceramic Composite Clutch). The beauty of this is not only is it very compact (6 1/4" in diameter) allowing the engine to be located lower in the car than a traditional clutch getting the mass lower in the chassis, but it is extremely light meaning the engine revs with seemingly little inertia due to the lower rotational mass compared to a conventional clutch - 10 times less. Used correctly they are very durable, and it's worth overcoming the aggravation of become conversant (I saw it as a challenge to master, rather than a problem) with it for the benefits offered. Edited by 993rsr on Monday 15th April 18:38 The thing that intrigues me is the way the anti stall is able to give just the right amount of revs to get the car moving whereas my right foot on the gas pedal can’t. I would be very interested to learn how it works. It seems to provide the same amount of throttle whatever the situation, the only thing (maybe in my mind) is that the duration can vary. I’m not sure it’s that sophisticated I’ve got a complete CGT workshop manual on an old pc so will take a look at some point if that gives any leads.

stefan1 said: 993rsr said: Fabulous! Interesting on the re-design of the differential parts, mine is due it's fourth 4 year engine out service next year and second has become notchy again, I had 3rd gear synchro replaced and one of the selector mechanism parts (which is now a paperweight in my office) by Hor a few years ago and will ask Reading to send the box back when the engines out. I also had those selector parts replaced too...worth asking about the differential for sure. Cheers Mine is due the fifth engine out next year at 16 years - how is that possible in view of how advanced the car still feels! I’ll follow your lead on a return visit for the gearbox to Hor for a check over and the forged differential parts.

Turn7 said: OOI, any idea on clutch replacement cost ? and expected life span ? As others have said, a lot is made about the CGT’s carbon ceramic clutch, but the reality is that it’s a tough unit if used correctly. As to cost, the replacement part cost for the PCCC is £6118.12 plus vat + labour. There are other associated parts such as the release module and rear main oil seal that you’d probably have replaced at the same time. All-in for the PCCC and associated parts, your looking at £9,320.87 plus vat + labour. Factor in that you may never have to replace this unit, unless you muller it, then it’s something that you factor into your overall ownership. Another observation is that I reckon the second clutch pack is noticeably easier to modulate than the first generation PCCC. I’ve heard from others that there was a slight redesign undertaken. Anyways, went out for a drive this evening and there really is no other experience like it.

Always wondered with the carbon clutch, do you just use it like any modern clutch nowadays? As in, every modern manual car has anti-stall seemingly programmed in and I pretty much always use no throttle when starting off these days.

All this talk on CGTs is making me thinking of hatching up a plan to rob a bank.. Any ideas.?

Taffy66 said: All this talk on CGTs is making me thinking of hatching up a plan to rob a bank.. Any ideas.? Flog your WP 991. 2RS for overs (well done BTW) and you are well on the way

LaurasOtherHalf said: Always wondered with the carbon clutch, do you just use it like any modern clutch nowadays? As in, every modern manual car has anti-stall seemingly programmed in and I pretty much always use no throttle when starting off these days. In a word no. Plenty of explanations in the preceding posts

993rsr said: LaurasOtherHalf said: Always wondered with the carbon clutch, do you just use it like any modern clutch nowadays? As in, every modern manual car has anti-stall seemingly programmed in and I pretty much always use no throttle when starting off these days. In a word no. Plenty of explanations in the preceding posts Care to explain more? Because it sounds exactly like how modern ECUs modulate throttle position depending on load from the other explanations and what I've read.

LaurasOtherHalf said: Care to explain more? Because it sounds exactly like how modern ECUs modulate throttle position depending on load from the other explanations and what I've read. One difference is that if you even just so much as hint at using the throttle, the anti stall switches off and the engine promptly stalls.. The only other option, which I have never tried I hasten to add, is to use a bootfull of revs and hurtle up the road in a cloud of tyre smoke. According to Hunter and Yellow, 993rsr may be more familiar with this technique. (allegedly)

In all other situations (as in, apart from moving from a standstill) what’s the accepted technique then? Be as quick as possible with it? Presumably rev match as much as possible so there’s as little slipping as possible? As another poster said above, the fact it means you’ve got to learn to drive it slightly differently is all part of the appeal. The drive train on these things is up there with the F1 really I guess.

lowndes said: LaurasOtherHalf said: Care to explain more? Because it sounds exactly like how modern ECUs modulate throttle position depending on load from the other explanations and what I've read. One difference is that if you even just so much as hint at using the throttle, the anti stall switches off and the engine promptly stalls.. The only other option, which I have never tried I hasten to add, is to use a bootfull of revs and hurtle up the road in a cloud of tyre smoke. According to Hunter and Yellow, 993rsr may be more familiar with this technique. (allegedly) Couldn’t possibly comment

LaurasOtherHalf said: In all other situations (as in, apart from moving from a standstill) what’s the accepted technique then? Be as quick as possible with it? Presumably rev match as much as possible so there’s as little slipping as possible? As another poster said above, the fact it means you’ve got to learn to drive it slightly differently is all part of the appeal. The drive train on these things is up there with the F1 really I guess. The F1 has a true carbon clutch which is a bit different from the carbon ceramic one in the cgt I think. As I understand things the carbon clutch (as used in the occasional race car as I've never got even close to being inside a F1) is considerably more grabby. The cgt clutch essentially is like a normal one but much lighter. The difference vs a more conventional modern car is that the cgt will stall much more easily if you slip the clutch too quickly (and as lowndes says you really don't want to even get close to the throttle to try to raise the revs). In other use, it's just the speed of revs that is the issue. It's the only car I have to remind myself to be quick on an upshift as the engine revs much more freely (up and down) compared to say the 7.2rs which is supposed to have a lightweight flywheel.

If these sort of service costs don't concern you, then watching your GT receive this level of care and attention must be an absolute joy. What a beautiful car.

Great pictures. Thanks for sharing.

Fabulous photographs & a delightful story. Not the most elegant of cars but respect for the engineering.

Beautiful car, and great write up. Thanks for sharing.

Taffy66 said: All this talk on CGTs is making me thinking of hatching up a plan to rob a bank.. Any ideas.? I know the feeling - promised myself one by age 40 .... 1.5 years to go.

isaldiri said: LaurasOtherHalf said: In all other situations (as in, apart from moving from a standstill) what’s the accepted technique then? Be as quick as possible with it? Presumably rev match as much as possible so there’s as little slipping as possible? As another poster said above, the fact it means you’ve got to learn to drive it slightly differently is all part of the appeal. The drive train on these things is up there with the F1 really I guess. The F1 has a true carbon clutch which is a bit different from the carbon ceramic one in the cgt I think. As I understand things the carbon clutch (as used in the occasional race car as I've never got even close to being inside a F1) is considerably more grabby. The cgt clutch essentially is like a normal one but much lighter. The difference vs a more conventional modern car is that the cgt will stall much more easily if you slip the clutch too quickly (and as lowndes says you really don't want to even get close to the throttle to try to raise the revs). In other use, it's just the speed of revs that is the issue. It's the only car I have to remind myself to be quick on an upshift as the engine revs much more freely (up and down) compared to say the 7.2rs which is supposed to have a lightweight flywheel. Fairly sure I have some pics some where of them cutting the cgt clutch drive plates from carbon laminate by water jet,f1 are smaller diameter again with a even lighter flywheel which causes the stalling effect. Taffy stick to a automatic mate

993rsr said: Flog your WP 991. 2RS for overs (well done BTW) and you are well on the way Sorry what i meant was has anyone any ideas on how to rob a bank without getting caught..I'm serious..!

Great pics and write up. Fabulous car. Must be incredible to drive/be a passenger with that engine noise Probably cover a chunk of your service costs if you offered passenger rides to PH members

At work so a little bit too picture heavy for now, will read, drool over this later. You are a lucky man Stefan and great to see you putting some mileage on it, thanks for sharing. CGT is top of my wish list (well it's level with the F50).

I have a different view of the CGT clutch I thought it was an awful thing, fine once on the move but absolutely horrible to get the car moving apart from the fact my CGT appeared not to have this "anti stall" feature, which everyone else seemed to have, where is the fun in not being able to coordinate throttle and clutch when taking off for me this is one of the beautiful things about manual cars. My car was so bad I even made a couple of stunning videos back in 2007 to share with fellow owners to see what I was doinf wrong and to ask where my Anti Stall was ? : You guys lauding the clutch are just masochists https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fehUEJo0U3E https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ca_nIFresg BTW great write up and pics - thanks for sharing,

TB993tt said: I have a different view of the CGT clutch I thought it was an awful thing, fine once on the move but absolutely horrible to get the car moving apart from the fact my CGT appeared not to have this "anti stall" feature, which everyone else seemed to have, where is the fun in not being able to coordinate throttle and clutch when taking off for me this is one of the beautiful things about manual cars. My car was so bad I even made a couple of stunning videos back in 2007 to share with fellow owners to see what I was doinf wrong and to ask where my Anti Stall was ? : You guys lauding the clutch are just masochists https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fehUEJo0U3E https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ca_nIFresg BTW great write up and pics - thanks for sharing, You're a philistine TB! Second video you can hear the anti stall at 3 seconds.

TB993tt said: I have a different view of the CGT clutch I thought it was an awful thing, fine once on the move but absolutely horrible to get the car moving apart from the fact my CGT appeared not to have this "anti stall" feature, which everyone else seemed to have, where is the fun in not being able to coordinate throttle and clutch when taking off for me this is one of the beautiful things about manual cars. Did you have a very early car? iirc the 2004 cars later had some kind of software update which the later 2005 cars were fitted with to make that process easier (and after quite a few US owners I believe fried their clutch from not reading the manual properly.

Stunning car and well worth the extended efforts with the comprehensive service. It must feel very satisfying to have detected the 2nd gear issue and then have that validated (I once had a whole 'box on a Seat Leon Cupra R rebuilt for an overrun whine; later found out that all it wanted was a 50p spacer on the end of the 4th gear shaft where it sat in the casing). Must be a privilege to own what is in my regard one of the finest combinations of chassis and engine conceived (in my lifetime at any rate). Thanks for sharing, I'll get back to planning how to have my own someday!

993rsr said: You're a philistine TB! Second video you can hear the anti stall at 3 seconds. :Nah, mine didn't have that feature as Isaldiri says it was an early US car I really am not that bad of a driver, you CGT legends are properly clutch certifiable IMO . I really like clutches, so much so that I'm getting a tad bored of the auto box aspect of my Mclaren which I'm DDing and am seriously thinking of bringing my 997GT2 back into full service, now that has a proper clutch, lightweight flywheel 4.0 GT3 sprung disc with Sachs 764 plate can handle 950NM and awesome fun to play with And proof that I could do a start with stalling https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpCV_CB7t0c Edited by TB993tt on Wednesday 17th April 11:30

Such a special car, great to see it being looked after so well (and interesting too!)

Great car and great pictures but.... I'm all for mechanical sympathy but how much extra is a clutch? (£10k? maybe) If I was prepared to pay £40k for a service I might want to pull away at more than tickover!! It might be worth it for a clutch every couple of services:-) Anyway not my money, great car and thanks for the post.

Great write up & insight.

Very interesting to see what's involved in running something like this (That I frankly couldn't even dream of owning!). £20K seems a lot at first sight, but for the level of work and parts replaced, doesn't sound at all unreasonable when you look into it! Thanks for providing an insight into owning such a rare beast! M

marcosgt said: Very interesting to see what's involved in running something like this (That I frankly couldn't even dream of owning!). £20K seems a lot at first sight, but for the level of work and parts replaced, doesn't sound at all unreasonable when you look into it! Thanks for providing an insight into owning such a rare beast! M I think it was 40k...

Stefan1 Not all hearos wear capes sir, thank you so much for posting and giving us an insight into the ownership of such a wonderful automobile. Wishing you all the best to continue enjoying it, it looks absolutely stunning.

S100HP said: marcosgt said: Very interesting to see what's involved in running something like this (That I frankly couldn't even dream of owning!). £20K seems a lot at first sight, but for the level of work and parts replaced, doesn't sound at all unreasonable when you look into it! Thanks for providing an insight into owning such a rare beast! M I think it was 40k... But 20k for an engine-out, service, clean, repaint, new springs, wheel refurb etc etc seems very reasonable. What a beautiful car though, right up there with my lottery win/bucket list motors for that incredible engine.

Nice write up on the service and so nicely presented! I did not realise these had such regular engine out services. My friend is one of the others going on the 3 car trip you mentioned, I keep meaning to go over and see his black one again...I saw it a few times with the previous owner. Do you still have the Yellow 993 RS?, I used to see you a lot on the Paddock Club days...mainly at Bedford.

That gearbox company. Hör/Hoer Technologies. Not Hor. Interesting company.

re33 said: Great car and great pictures but.... I'm all for mechanical sympathy but how much extra is a clutch? (£10k? maybe) If I was prepared to pay £40k for a service I might want to pull away at more than tickover!! It might be worth it for a clutch every couple of services:-) Anyway not my money, great car and thanks for the post. That is my point about the clutch being crap there are two options. Option one (if your CGT has the fabled anti stall feature) is the zero throttle pull away, option two is lots of revs and kind of dump it this is the one which wears it out (obviously ) and is not suitable for most road driving . There is no in between if you try and apply the throttle whilst the clutch is still not fully out then it stalls, I really hated it it was Porsche being clever for clever's sake making a mega lightweight small first of its kind carbon/ceramic clutch for a road car, big fail IMO. BTW I'm pretty sure a German outfit developed a conventional clutch set up as a retro fit but my CGT was long gone by then, sold at the maximum trough of course

frayz said: Stefan1 Not all hearos wear capes sir, thank you so much for posting and giving us an insight into the ownership of such a wonderful automobile. Wishing you all the best to continue enjoying it, it looks absolutely stunning. Agreed Great thread - thanks for taking the time

Beautiful , great phots.

I believe Manthey have a replacement clutch available that behaves like a normal clutch. I think its 14 or 16000 euros. Anti stall. On my spin around the block route I have two T junctions that are uphill and require full left lock. The anti stall does not seem to account for the tyre loading as the car moves and stalls. I find treating the clutch like a race car paddle clutch works but with as little rpm as possible and get the clutch out as soon as possible. It took a little while to perfect but it works and in three years of ownership the clutch has the same wear on it as it was when I bought the car. Also change watch from left to right hand for accessing handbrake. Annoyingly to avoid the front bumper under carbon piece just rubbing the ground I have to turn left out of my drive that results in the two difficult T junctions.

I have done this twice before now, both at 4 and 8 years, and so it seemed appropriate to keep the tradition going and post up some pictures of the 12 year engine out service on my Carrera GT. The car has now done just over 20,000 miles. My use of the car has slowed somewhat, but I still manage half a dozen decent drives each year, and this year (2019) it will be going on what I hope will be an amazing trip to Europe with two other CGTs, owned by friends (yes, we will have a support car for the luggage!). The CGT is still my all-time favourite car to drive. Every second behind the wheel is a joy and privilege. Every control reminds you of the depth of engineering that went into the car. Late in 2018 I drove it back to back (with some friends) against the 918. As stunning as the 918 is, all four of us clearly preferred the CGT as a driving experience. The relative lack of weight is obvious, and the chassis much more playful. Since my last update the car has also become a tiny bit famous - it was photographed for an issue of Top Gear magazine. This is one of the shots they used. Now onto the engine out service photos. As usual, I asked the brilliant team at Porsche Reading to go over the car with a fine tooth comb, and this resulted in a few parts being replaced (e.g. front springs which had just started to corrode at one end). The engine mount at the bulkhead had also worn slightly, and so was replaced. This is the underside of the car, with the carbon under trays removed. All the under trays and wheel arch liners were cleaned. I also had the front buttresses repainted as these had become a bit tired, even with paint film protection. The engine bay was cleaned once the engine had been removed. Suspension components were also checked and cleaned. The wheels were refurbished. As they are magnesium, it is vital to ensure that the lacquer is renewed frequently to avoid any risk of the metal oxidising. The details on the engine, including the gear drive for the camshafts, remain a delight. I also had the seats removed so that my detailer could clean underneath, and we also repaired a couple of minor scratches to the lacquer on the carbon tub. The one unusual piece of work I had done was a check of the gearbox. I had noticed 2nd gear becoming increasingly notchy when cold. Once up to temperature it was fine, but as the problem was getting worse I decided, in an abundance of caution, to have the gearbox inspected by HOR, the OEM. One of the lovely details of the CGT is that the gearbox can only be worked upon by HOR. There is even a little padlock on the gearbox housing, that if broken means that HOR knows someone unauthorised has worked on it! This is the gearbox housing: And here's what inside! On inspection, HOR found a very small crack in one of the 2nd gear synchro rings, so this was replaced. They also advised replacing the differential parts, as they have now designed strengthened (forged) components, to replace the milled originals. A not inexpensive change, but I have always chosen to maintain the car irrespective of cost. The clutch, by the way, continues its magic trick of not appearing to wear at all - the measurement was almost identical to 4 years ago at just under 30mm. Once reassembled, the car looked, once again, like new, cosmetically and mechanically. Thanks for the amazing Porsche Reading team and Richard from Refined Detail for their great work. Thanks for reading - I do hope you enjoyed. Edited by stefan1 on Wednesday 17th April 23:51

SRT Hellcat said: I believe Manthey have a replacement clutch available that behaves like a normal clutch. I think its 14 or 16000 euros. Anti stall. On my spin around the block route I have two T junctions that are uphill and require full left lock. The anti stall does not seem to account for the tyre loading as the car moves and stalls. I find treating the clutch like a race car paddle clutch works but with as little rpm as possible and get the clutch out as soon as possible. It took a little while to perfect but it works and in three years of ownership the clutch has the same wear on it as it was when I bought the car. Also change watch from left to right hand for accessing handbrake. Annoyingly to avoid the front bumper under carbon piece just rubbing the ground I have to turn left out of my drive that results in the two difficult T junctions. on changing the watch over - a small but important detail!

Caddyshack said: Nice write up on the service and so nicely presented! I did not realise these had such regular engine out services. My friend is one of the others going on the 3 car trip you mentioned, I keep meaning to go over and see his black one again...I saw it a few times with the previous owner. Do you still have the Yellow 993 RS?, I used to see you a lot on the Paddock Club days...mainly at Bedford. Thanks. I believe that the original reason for the engine out service was to be able to adjust the valve clearances. Nowadays, I think that can be done with the engine in situ, so strictly speaking taking the engine out isn’t necessary. But I think it is worth it to make sure every component can be inspected and keep the car in as near to perfect condition. I never had a yellow 993RS, but rather a black one...loved that car!

RSchneider said: That gearbox company. Hör/Hoer Technologies. Not Hor. Interesting company. Yes, sorry, I was lazy not including the umlaut! They manufacture some fantastic race car gearboxes. Proper outfit.

To read later. (My watch button has disappeared )

Limpet said: Beautiful car, and great write up. Thanks for sharing. + 1 a true piston head hero, thank you for sharing.

Taffy66 said: 993rsr said: Flog your WP 991. 2RS for overs (well done BTW) and you are well on the way Sorry what i meant was has anyone any ideas on how to rob a bank without getting caught..I'm serious..! This side of the water, a JCB seems to be all that you need.

epom said: Taffy66 said: 993rsr said: Flog your WP 991. 2RS for overs (well done BTW) and you are well on the way Sorry what i meant was has anyone any ideas on how to rob a bank without getting caught..I'm serious..! This side of the water, a JCB seems to be all that you need. Not true. Last one was done with a Hitachi and the one before was a Komatsu. HTH

stefan1 said: Caddyshack said: Nice write up on the service and so nicely presented! I did not realise these had such regular engine out services. My friend is one of the others going on the 3 car trip you mentioned, I keep meaning to go over and see his black one again...I saw it a few times with the previous owner. Do you still have the Yellow 993 RS?, I used to see you a lot on the Paddock Club days...mainly at Bedford. Thanks. I believe that the original reason for the engine out service was to be able to adjust the valve clearances. Nowadays, I think that can be done with the engine in situ, so strictly speaking taking the engine out isn’t necessary. But I think it is worth it to make sure every component can be inspected and keep the car in as near to perfect condition. I never had a yellow 993RS, but rather a black one...loved that car! Ah, mixing ip my RS's...I remember Flemke having a yellow one, Man and Dan having the Red one and Man having the black one before that and then the white one around at the same time...just seem to remember an extra yellow one or maybe you were just in Flemke's? My 911 was black too.

Stunning car and very insightful write up. Thanks for putting it together.

Inspired my so much I had to go for a blast in my Carrera Cheers

thanks for sharing, that's the stuff of dreams. Literally a piece of art and I can't stop staring!

Turn7 said: Love the GT, just looks and sounds right. That lot must have made you wince though ? Sounds a bit better than "right" I'd guess!

TomScrut said: Turn7 said: Love the GT, just looks and sounds right. That lot must have made you wince though ? Sounds a bit better than "right" I'd guess!

What a great car! I recall seeing one of the first of these up at the N.E.C around 20years ago. Thanks for sharing the photos and great to see you taking such good care of it.

PhilTUK said: What a great car! I recall seeing one of the first of these up at the N.E.C around 20years ago. Thanks for sharing the photos and great to see you taking such good care of it. Same here, strange coincidence! - Was it a dark silver one packed up in one of the carparks?

Looks like a very thorough service indeed. Would be interesting to see how the bill was broken down - ie how much of it was on the service schedule and how much was elective? Changing a spring for a slight area of corrosion and cleaning all of the under trays for example. Not wanting to suggest running one of these on a shoestring and a car of this calibre deserves to be kept in the best of condition but some of the work must have been to preserve the cars value rather than its mechanical function. Are these very mileage value sensitive? 20000 miles in 15+ years would be purgatory to me!

Thanks for the fascinating write up, OP. Out of curiosity, does the ~£20k quoted include the cost of the detailing work, too?

Coin Slot. said: Just wow! Often used, but rarely justified definition of Car Porn right here. Whilst we're on the topic of 'often used' I want to give a huge shout out to the person down at my David Lloyd who drives their Carrera GT to the gym. I was walking out and saw this and just thought wow!

As a few have asked, here is a rough breakdown of the service costs (parts and labour combined, inc. VAT): Major service £7.5k 6 ignition coils £500 Replace engine mount £800 Replaced two camshafts (parts under goodwill), labour cost (net of contribution) £1.5k Replaced front spring coils £850 Replaced 12V battery (cheaper to do when car already disassembled, I replace every 4 years) £400 4 new Michelin SuperSport tyres fitted £1,200 Four wheel alignment £1,000 Elective paintwork £2,700 Detailing (Refined Detail) £2,000 Gearbox repair £19k including prep and shipping So the core service work remains, I think, for a car of this type very reasonable indeed. "Normal" annual services are c. £2k. Elective work was around 60% of the Porsche Reading bill.

browngt3 said: Just watched the video. HM has surpassed even himself this time. His enthusiasm for the CGT as being one of his all time favourite cars is clear for all to see. What I don't get is why he doesn't already have one in his stable. Simply because he's a full time hands on farmer..No way a farmer's income in the current economic climate will allow purchase of a CGT..If it was any different i'd buy a CGT in a heart beat..

Quite possibly the best video from Harry M, and I’ve watched them all. AndrewD said: Wonderful memories! Stunning. Are they both UK cars?

Taffy66 said: browngt3 said: Just watched the video. HM has surpassed even himself this time. His enthusiasm for the CGT as being one of his all time favourite cars is clear for all to see. What I don't get is why he doesn't already have one in his stable. Simply because he's a full time hands on farmer..No way a farmer's income in the current economic climate will allow purchase of a CGT..If it was any different i'd buy a CGT in a heart beat.. Metcalfe had the means to buy and perhaps more importantly run a Zonda years ago (and never failed to big it up in evo either while he had it)... Farmer or not it seems unlikely affordability of a cgt is the only thing stopping him getting one. If I could nitpick at the video, the cgt has a carbon ceramic clutch - not a true race car type carbon clutch (as per say a Mclaren F1 or jaguar xjr 15) as he mentions somewhere around the middle of the video. I have to admit I don't get how he weighed that car at 1386kg either unless it was basically on an empty tank having personally seen 3 cars weighed at >1460kg fully fuelled. Nitpicking apart though, nice video I agree (with lots of exterior sound used I cannot help but note ) and he does pinpoint the precision of the car as being very much one of the outstanding features. And the engine isn't too bad either I suppose even if it's lacking in hp/litre and lower rpm limit than the best car engine ever (according to some).

Harry on form as always. The CGT is in the top 3 greatest cars of all time for me with only MacF1 and Zonda competing; mind you the new Valkyrie is looking rather tasty and may just have something to say about the pecking order. I've considered buying a CGT on numerous occasions especially so when they were languishing in 220k region. Many current owners here on PH were lucky enough to buy in at this point. Today at 600k or so, you could have a CGT or the following: -600LT 160k -Performante 190k -Noble M600 190k -GT3 60k ...or any similar list of your choosing. Factor in the running costs of a CGT and how precious you would inevitable have to be with it and I'm not sure many could gain from the complete ownership experience. Massive hats off to the guys throwing them around the alps and similar If you guys were being honest though and had to sell the odd asset and all your toys just for this one, would you really do it? This is a different question to those fortunate few seriously rich with a fleet of such exotica, I'm talking to those with the means to buy but would have to make some serious sacrifices. Stefan1 when you have the new suspension fitted at Manthey in March, would you mind me having a closer look at your car. Getting up close and personnel might just flip me over the edge; well it certainly would the Mrs if she found out my intentions

JulierPass said: cheib, Taffy, if you can you must. And if you do make sure you drive the doors off it Life's too short, and I'm pretty sure when you are on your death bed you won't regret it! Short vid chasing a good mate in his 911R though the Austrian alps earlier this year https://vimeo.com/384378111 where exactly / which road is that? thx

CarreraLightweightRacing said: I've considered buying a CGT on numerous occasions especially so when they were languishing in 220k region. Many current owners here on PH were lucky enough to buy in at this point. Today at 600k or so, you could have a CGT or the following: -600LT 160k -Performante 190k -Noble M600 190k -GT3 60k ...or any similar list of your choosing. Factor in the running costs of a CGT and how precious you would inevitable have to be with it and I'm not sure many could gain from the complete ownership experience. Massive hats off to the guys throwing them around the alps and similar If you guys were being honest though and had to sell the odd asset and all your toys just for this one, would you really do it? This is a different question to those fortunate few seriously rich with a fleet of such exotica, I'm talking to those with the means to buy but would have to make some serious sacrifices. IF I ever bought one it would certainly not be going on track....above my pay grade. My perfect garage contains three cars....something old and air cooled, something contemporary and something extraordinary. Contemporary I have with my 991.2 GT3. I really wouldn’t want to own three or four modern super cars.....too much guaranteed depreciation and too many similar cars! Carrera GT is possible but it’s obviously a huge amount of money. As I said in an earlier post I think prices are coming off (not just UK but globally) so will wait and see. There are a few cars that have been on the market for a while...Tom Hartley Jr has a 1 owner UK supplied car with under 3k miles which he’s asking £875k for....that looks like it’s overpriced by at least £150k. Snr has a car with less than 1k miles for £750k....both have been for sale for months. The good thing is that because they made so many they come up to auction quite frequently so price discovery is relatively easy.

Cheib said: I Carrera GT is possible but it’s obviously a huge amount of money. As I said in an earlier post I think prices are coming off (not just UK but globally) so will wait and see. There are a few cars that have been on the market for a while...Tom Hartley Jr has a 1 owner UK supplied car with under 3k miles which he’s asking £875k for....that looks like it’s overpriced by at least £150k. Snr has a car with less than 1k miles for £750k....both have been for sale for months. The good thing is that because they made so many they come up to auction quite frequently so price discovery is relatively easy. I agree there are a lot of them made, but knowing what a couple of purportedly great cars at specialists turned out to be like after inspection, means finding a good one is not a walk in the park. The vast majority don't get serviced annually and do not have the four year engine out service (it's not required now to do the valve clearance check as there is a work around) but personally prefer to have this done anyway. Mine is in for it's fourth engine out service at 16 years this month. If I was looking for one the first port of call would be Andy Keywood and John Manning at Reading.

993rsr said: Aiming to crack 50k miles this year in mine.

MDL111 said: JulierPass said: cheib, Taffy, if you can you must. And if you do make sure you drive the doors off it Life's too short, and I'm pretty sure when you are on your death bed you won't regret it! Short vid chasing a good mate in his 911R though the Austrian alps earlier this year https://vimeo.com/384378111 where exactly / which road is that? thx Timmelsjochstraße in Austria.

JulierPass said: MDL111 said: JulierPass said: cheib, Taffy, if you can you must. And if you do make sure you drive the doors off it Life's too short, and I'm pretty sure when you are on your death bed you won't regret it! Short vid chasing a good mate in his 911R though the Austrian alps earlier this year https://vimeo.com/384378111 where exactly / which road is that? thx Timmelsjochstraße in Austria. thank you - need to go check that one out next summer

stefan1 said: Suspension plus integrated lift kit is the plan: currently in build with KW for fitment in March I hope. When I drove the very kind friend's car, I'd say the primary difference was that when you enter a corner, the suspension settles faster than in the standard car, in which there is just a small delay, where you have to wait for it for a fraction of a second to "take a set". It's a subtle but worthwhile difference. Ok. Well please keep us in the loop as to how the install goes, and specifically where they choose to plumb in the pump which activates the damper lifters, and the switch for actuation too (is it a remote or plumbed in?). Also very interested to hear how they'll set up to those dampers and the geo they'll give the car after too.... I have "personal" reasons for investigating your install.....

Murcielago_Boy said: Ok. Well please keep us in the loop as to how the install goes, and specifically where they choose to plumb in the pump which activates the damper lifters, and the switch for actuation too (is it a remote or plumbed in?). Also very interested to hear how they'll set up to those dampers and the geo they'll give the car after too.... I have "personal" reasons for investigating your install..... The RUF lift install may not be relevant as it uses existing suspension but for what its worth, the red circle is where the pump goes. Andy Keywood told me he thought the RUF system was the best after market install at the time.

Cheib said: Carrera GT is possible but it’s obviously a huge amount of money. As I said in an earlier post I think prices are coming off (not just UK but globally) so will wait and see. There are a few cars that have been on the market for a while...Tom Hartley Jr has a 1 owner UK supplied car with under 3k miles which he’s asking £875k for....that looks like it’s overpriced by at least £150k. Snr has a car with less than 1k miles for £750k....both have been for sale for months. The good thing is that because they made so many they come up to auction quite frequently so price discovery is relatively easy. I've got to say that I agree with this assessment of the CGT market. The cars on the market are spectacularly overpriced and are not moving. I think instead, the cars are being sold off-market rather lower than the absurd prices being advertised. Dealers are in fantasy land. I think they are trying to force it to the price of the F40 and that's not going to happen yet for three reasons. Firstly, it doesn't have a Ferrari badge, secondly, outside the cognoscenti, it hasn't achieved that level of respect yet (even though it's one of the great drivers car of all time) and most importantly the general market for all cars of this type is getting hit and is heading south. IMO the supercar investment frenzy is on the way out. It's also worth pointing out that a full service history is worth £50k - £60k IMO. My reasoning is, for that amount of money, Porsche Reading (or better still, Stuttgart) can largely recommission a CGT (get it ready for use) which has had bugger-all servicing before; clutch, dampers, brakes, engine out service, tyres, etc etc. Of course, if the motor is blown and/or it needs a whole new gearbox, then that goes out of the window, but no-one would buy something like this without inspection. Edited by Murcielago_Boy on Monday 13th January 18:39

Just found this vid on Rennlist...owner connected up an external mike so you can hear the exhaust from outside the car https://youtu.be/su_njTmDciQ

Cheib said: Just found this vid on Rennlist...owner connected up an external mike so you can hear the exhaust from outside the car https://youtu.be/su_njTmDciQ About 30 seconds in. Possibly the best sounding down-shift ever!

MDL111 said: thank you - need to go check that one out next summer It's on our route this July. :-) Not in a CGT, but a 981CS and Merc C43 AMG.

browngt3 said: Cheib said: Just found this vid on Rennlist...owner connected up an external mike so you can hear the exhaust from outside the car https://youtu.be/su_njTmDciQ About 30 seconds in. Possibly the best sounding down-shift ever! Just wow! Watched HM earlier too; agree it's an excellent review of the CGT. Next up after was him taking his Testarossa down to Antibes in near freezing temps.

thanks for sharing. Excellent watch

Digga said: Just wow! Watched HM earlier too; agree it's an excellent review of the CGT. Next up after was him taking his Testarossa down to Antibes in near freezing temps. That Testarossa trip was amazing. An outboard motor in the boot. He's crazy! Not sure I will be attempting that when I get my Prancing Horse

The vids are great, thanks for sharing. HM's vid on the R129 SL600 is a classic. Now offloaded from his fleet.

DK just advertised a midnight blue car. Absolutely stunning...bet they want a lot of money for it! https://www.dkeng.co.uk/ferrari-sales/1151/blue_ch...

Cheib said: DK just advertised a midnight blue car. Absolutely stunning...bet they want a lot of money for it! https://www.dkeng.co.uk/ferrari-sales/1151/blue_ch... Anyone considering that car please PM me.

Cheib said: DK just advertised a midnight blue car. Absolutely stunning...bet they want a lot of money for it! https://www.dkeng.co.uk/ferrari-sales/1151/blue_ch... Fabulous! Midnight is one if my favourite colours. Wouldn't normally go for a brown interior but it seems to work on the CGT

browngt3 said: Cheib said: DK just advertised a midnight blue car. Absolutely stunning...bet they want a lot of money for it! https://www.dkeng.co.uk/ferrari-sales/1151/blue_ch... Fabulous! Midnight is one if my favourite colours. Wouldn't normally go for a brown interior but it seems to work on the CGT I’ve got a Midnight Blue Cayenne if you’re interested ?

Cheib said: DK just advertised a midnight blue car. Absolutely stunning...bet they want a lot of money for it! https://www.dkeng.co.uk/ferrari-sales/1151/blue_ch... Oh good lord....

Cheib said: DK just advertised a midnight blue car. Absolutely stunning...bet they want a lot of money for it! https://www.dkeng.co.uk/ferrari-sales/1151/blue_ch... Perfection.

Cheib said: I’ve got a Midnight Blue Cayenne if you’re interested ? With brown interior?

993rsr said: Anyone considering that car please PM me. That sounds ominous :-/

One sold at a US auction last night for just under £550k including fees...about 5% below low estimate. I know US cars are less desirable etc but makes some of the cars on the market look explensive https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/az20/arizona/lo... Generally looked like a really poor auction Lovely looking 911 T for £50k! https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/az20/arizona/lo... Or a 7k mile 930 Turbo for £100k https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/az20/arizona/lo...

Thanks for the insight RSR !

Cheib said: One sold at a US auction last night for just under £550k including fees...about 5% below low estimate. I know US cars are less desirable etc but makes some of the cars on the market look explensive https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/az20/arizona/lo... When you add in shipping, SVA/Lights + VAT + duty etc to get it to the UK its probably £725k. They seem cheap in the US, but not when you factor in the above. Edited by 993rsr on Friday 17th January 12:58

993rsr said: When you add in shipping, SVA/Lights + VAT + duty etc to get it to the UK its probably £725k. They seem cheap in the US, but not when you factor in the above. Edited by 993rsr on Friday 17th January 12:58 You and rg nailed it back in the day! Where was gbpusd 2.0?

fblm said: 993rsr said: When you add in shipping, SVA/Lights + VAT + duty etc to get it to the UK its probably £725k. They seem cheap in the US, but not when you factor in the above. Edited by 993rsr on Friday 17th January 12:58 You and rg nailed it back in the day! Where was gbpusd 2.0? 1.98 from memory, plus no duty as cars were under 3 yrs old (was PH btw)

993rsr said: ... (was PH btw) Ah yes of course. One of those cars that was always just out of reach for me!

fblm said: 993rsr said: ... (was PH btw) Ah yes of course. One of those cars that was always just out of reach for me! Great fun walking around new york with my two heavies either side of me,one tall and slim,one shorter and stocky ,cheapest Cgt ever in the country,i laugh when folks frown on the usa cars. Fblm,looks like alzen car coming on well

What’s the supposed deal with US cars ?

993rsr said: Cheib said: DK just advertised a midnight blue car. Absolutely stunning...bet they want a lot of money for it! https://www.dkeng.co.uk/ferrari-sales/1151/blue_ch... Anyone considering that car please PM me. Under offer now it seems.

Yellow491 said: fblm said: 993rsr said: ... (was PH btw) Ah yes of course. One of those cars that was always just out of reach for me! one shorter and stocky You should be working in the diplomatic corps ;-)

Cheib said: Thanks for the insight RSR ! Looks like $786 Including fees so £785 back here. Also appears to be a seized car by the US Government.

Cheib said: What’s the supposed deal with US cars ? Mainly perception. Truth is beyond the orange running lights in the front PU (easily removed) and a different alarm frequency very little. As time has gone on its trickier to track the history but that’s the same with EU cars. Mine was only two years old when I bought it from New York and three of us went to inspect the cars (we bought two). I’ve never thought in 45k miles ‘shame this is a USA spec Carrera GT, it’s sxxt to drive’

This was incredible to read and look through. Imagine when all that's going to be there is some batteries and a motor or two. None if this incredible engineering and detail.

After the PTS DK car sold within a day Tom Hartley Jnr’s car that he’d had up for months at £825k sold about a week later....DK car was up for £750k. https://www.tomhartleyjnr.com/car/previously-sold/... He’s now advertised a silver car for £595k...says it has complete service history https://www.tomhartleyjnr.com/car/stock/2004/porsc...

I am sure that the Tom Hartley Junior black CGT was up for £875k. Now we have a government in place I think things will start to move again

SRT Hellcat said: I am sure that the Tom Hartley Junior black CGT was up for £875k. Now we have a government in place I think things will start to move again You may well be right !

Cheib said: 993rsr said: Cheib said: DK just advertised a midnight blue car. Absolutely stunning...bet they want a lot of money for it! https://www.dkeng.co.uk/ferrari-sales/1151/blue_ch... Anyone considering that car please PM me. Under offer now it seems. And now they have another blue car up for sale. cobalt blue car that used to be owned by Pher Mike Rob.

993rsr said: V10MHR. Suspect a very nice example as always get John Manning and Andy Keywood to confirm. Several iffy ones about. Yep very nice car that. I know the chap who sold it to DK (I think it's sold to them anyway not SOR) and he would absolutely have taken care to keep the car in the condition it used to be in.

isaldiri said: Cheib said: 993rsr said: Cheib said: DK just advertised a midnight blue car. Absolutely stunning...bet they want a lot of money for it! https://www.dkeng.co.uk/ferrari-sales/1151/blue_ch... Anyone considering that car please PM me. Under offer now it seems. And now they have another blue car up for sale. cobalt blue car that used to be owned by Pher Mike Rob. V10MHR. Suspect a very nice example as always get John Manning and Andy Keywood to confirm. Looks like it’s got some nice bits with it the Swarovski model and the pewter engine model (very unusual to have the engine model) Several iffy ones about. Edited by 993rsr on Thursday 30th January 19:52

All three cars at DK are now sold. That was quick

Zadkiel said: All three cars at DK are now sold. That was quick It was. The Midnight Blue car was the stand out.

I see TGE is looking for one, possibly found one.

Cheib said: Zadkiel said: All three cars at DK are now sold. That was quick It was. The Midnight Blue car was the stand out. Depends on your interpretation of stand out, the Cobalt car from my understating was very nice.

993rsr said: Depends on your interpretation of stand out, the Cobalt car from my understating was very nice. Yes, I quite liked the cobalt one.

993rsr said: Cheib said: Zadkiel said: All three cars at DK are now sold. That was quick It was. The Midnight Blue car was the stand out. Depends on your interpretation of stand out, the Cobalt car from my understating was very nice. I just thought the Dark Blue with Tan was a fantastic combination...I know the Cobalt car was 1 of 1 and had an impeccable service history though.

Would anyone who owns one of these lovely cars will be kind enough to compare the CGT and the CGT Gemballa Mirage? I don't mean the technical spec. and performance umbers but the handling and whether the modifications to the car improved the experience or harm it? I am aware of X2 Gemballas which are for sale, one of them is the 'Gold Edition' which is stunning. The other one is all black also looks great but on the market for ages. Thank you.

African Grey said: Would anyone who owns one of these lovely cars will be kind enough to compare the CGT and the CGT Gemballa Mirage? I don't mean the technical spec. and performance umbers but the handling and whether the modifications to the car improved the experience or harm it? I am aware of X2 Gemballas which are for sale, one of them is the 'Gold Edition' which is stunning. The other one is all black also looks great but on the market for ages. Thank you. The Gemballa versions are a visual abomination, all there is too it IMO and should be crushed!

Zadkiel said: 993rsr said: Depends on your interpretation of stand out, the Cobalt car from my understating was very nice. Yes, I quite liked the cobalt one. Ah, hi Stuart

993rsr said: The Gemballa versions are a visual abomination, all there is too it IMO and should be crushed! So you dont like them then! Totally agree.

Yellow491 said: 993rsr said: The Gemballa versions are a visual abomination, all there is too it IMO and should be crushed! So you dont like them then! Totally agree. +10000000

AndrewD said: Yellow491 said: 993rsr said: The Gemballa versions are a visual abomination, all there is too it IMO and should be crushed! So you dont like them then! Totally agree. +10000000 Why?

993rsr said: Ah, hi Stuart Hi! I'm not a fan of the Gemballa's styling but I do like the idea of a roof scoop with some intake noise right above your head.

African Grey said: Why? If you are serious about buying a CGT stick with the original. I've never been a fan of Gemballa styling at the best of times on anything

African Grey said: ...Gemballas which are for sale, one of them is the 'Gold Edition' which is stunning... I'm sorry but It's stunning in the same way that a marble bathroom with gold taps on a private 737 is also stunning. I guess all the important bits of CGT are still there that's it's still a great car; it just doesn't need vajazzling!

fblm said: African Grey said: ...Gemballas which are for sale, one of them is the 'Gold Edition' which is stunning... I'm sorry but It's stunning in the same way that a marble bathroom with gold taps on a private 737 is also stunning. I guess all the important bits of CGT are still there that's it's still a great car; it just doesn't need vajazzling! Who was the design consultant? Stevie Wonder?

No great surprise, didn't sell... 2005 Gemballa Mirage GT Estimate €775,000 - €875,000 (unsold) RM Sotheby's - Paris, France 5 February, 2020 Lot 175

The automotive equivalent of a Fabergé dog egg.

fblm said: No great surprise, didn't sell... 2005 Gemballa Mirage GT Estimate €775,000 - €875,000 (unsold) RM Sotheby's - Paris, France 5 February, 2020 Lot 175 Bid to €625k. Amazed it got that high.

Cheib said: Bid to €625k. Amazed it got that high. Likewise. Even more amazed reserve was over that!

Have to admit that after looking at it again I fell out of love with the "gold" motif but still like the styling. As for buying one it will take a bit longer as am not in that league, I found £12K a year spend on my aircraft enough for one household and even this one goes next week.

fblm said: Cheib said: Bid to €625k. Amazed it got that high. Likewise. Even more amazed reserve was over that! Yup....mad to turn that down !

Just incase any one here is interested in/available, i have a pair of fire proof recaro seat inserts for the cgt,stop you slipping around/save your leather inserts and more comfortable. As new cgt suit carrier that hangs behind the seats and a briefcase from the factory luggage set.

Midnight Blue car is back on sale at DK Engineering having sold very quickly in Jan. Be interesting to see how quickly it sells this time... https://www.dkeng.co.uk/ferrari-sales/1227/blue_ch...

Cheib said: Midnight Blue car is back on sale at DK Engineering having sold very quickly in Jan. Be interesting to see how quickly it sells this time... https://www.dkeng.co.uk/ferrari-sales/1227/blue_ch... No idea how much it is - but I’ve worked out if I sell all of mine inc. my daily driver and the wife’s Abarth I still don’t have enough - bloody hell !

The photos in the ad make that Ascot brown leather interior look quite similar to Terracotta

RSVP911 said: No idea how much it is - but I’ve worked out if I sell all of mine inc. my daily driver and the wife’s Abarth I still don’t have enough - bloody hell ! You scored 5/10 in your Man Maths test. Must try harder. Sale of kidney/house/dog/wife/granny not sufficiently factored. That is a really lovely looking car.

Digga said: Sale of kidney/house/dog/wife/granny not sufficiently factored. That is a really lovely looking car. not the dog. Everything else on the list however is fine.

isaldiri said: Digga said: Sale of kidney/house/dog/wife/granny not sufficiently factored. That is a really lovely looking car. not the dog. Everything else on the list however is fine. Sorry. You're absolutely right to correct me. The rest is grist to the mill though in the pursuit of the greater cause.

Digga said: isaldiri said: Digga said: Sale of kidney/house/dog/wife/granny not sufficiently factored. That is a really lovely looking car. not the dog. Everything else on the list however is fine. Sorry. You're absolutely right to correct me. The rest is grist to the mill though in the pursuit of the greater cause. Does anyone want to buy my mother in law ??? (Cars sold I think - thank f*ck for that - it could have got quite messy !)

Never sell the dog for one!

You have not missed anything in midnight blue!

Yellow491 said: You have not missed anything in midnight blue! Hmmmmm ?

Cheib said: Midnight Blue car is back on sale at DK Engineering having sold very quickly in Jan. Be interesting to see how quickly it sells this time... https://www.dkeng.co.uk/ferrari-sales/1227/blue_ch... I know a lot has changed since that sold but it’s still a surprise it’s back up. Unless it was returned? Is there something undesirable about the car that isn’t obvious?

m444ttb said: Cheib said: Midnight Blue car is back on sale at DK Engineering having sold very quickly in Jan. Be interesting to see how quickly it sells this time... https://www.dkeng.co.uk/ferrari-sales/1227/blue_ch... I know a lot has changed since that sold but it’s still a surprise it’s back up. Unless it was returned? Is there something undesirable about the car that isn’t obvious? From a few pages back: 993rsr said: Cheib said: DK just advertised a midnight blue car. Absolutely stunning...bet they want a lot of money for it! https://www.dkeng.co.uk/ferrari-sales/1151/blue_ch... Anyone considering that car please PM me. Maybe it has a story?

I think that might be a car bought by one of the youtube brigade...not entirely sure, I only watch Harry Metcakf and Henry Catchpole these days.

rival38 said: I think that might be a car bought by one of the youtube brigade...not entirely sure, I only watch Harry Metcakf and Henry Catchpole these days. If you mean TGE TV, that one was black.

Mezzanine said: rival38 said: I think that might be a car bought by one of the youtube brigade...not entirely sure, I only watch Harry Metcakf and Henry Catchpole these days. If you mean TGE TV, that one was black. Where can one find H Catchpole these days?

bolidemichael said: Mezzanine said: rival38 said: I think that might be a car bought by one of the youtube brigade...not entirely sure, I only watch Harry Metcakf and Henry Catchpole these days. If you mean TGE TV, that one was black. Where can one find H Catchpole these days? On the Carfection channel. He still does class leading video work.

Mezzanine said: bolidemichael said: Mezzanine said: rival38 said: I think that might be a car bought by one of the youtube brigade...not entirely sure, I only watch Harry Metcakf and Henry Catchpole these days. If you mean TGE TV, that one was black. Where can one find H Catchpole these days? On the Carfection channel. He still does class leading video work. My favourite car vid by far is the greatest drive series filmed under EVO, with the Vantage N430 in the Scottish Highlands . The dream sequence at 11:06 is par excellence .

Ok, I’ll say it, obviously there is a story to this car. To my eyes it’s the beat looking of them all...the colour is incredible, the condition looks great. Really reputable dealer. Now I appreciate there is more to buying a car than that, most especially a supercar. So it was sold, and the new owners handed it back, gave it back, didn’t like it, or something popped up that they hadn’t noticed. Again buying a car like this if it was something merely mechanical surely the owner would have the means to put it right ? There have been a few comments on here alluding to something odd. Just wondering what it is?

Obviously not much of a concern as it has already sold again!

Maybe an offer the owner couldn’t refuse? CGT’s are going through the roof I tell you!

Mezzanine said: Obviously not much of a concern as it has already sold again! It had gone virtually the first day they put it up on Insta - I called about it

stefan1 said: Thanks for reading - I do hope you enjoyed. Thanks for posting. I did

Excellent video from Jay Leno. Didn’t know he had a CGT; he’s had it for 17 years! I never knew the secret compartment at the door In the video Jay talked about his high speed spin, and was very humble about it. Sure there’s a lot of luck, but I reckon he demonstrated a lot of skills there too. Video of the spin:

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DY7BWHuhEwe/?igsh=O... Interesting little insight from RPM T, cam wear is a thing on Carrera GTs as well. Great to see the gearbox out of the car as well-what a work of engineering art.

PRO5T said: https://www.instagram.com/reel/DY7BWHuhEwe/?igsh=O... Interesting little insight from RPM T, cam wear is a thing on Carrera GTs as well . Great to see the gearbox out of the car as well-what a work of engineering art. Discussed on here by JC, Yellow and others on another thread on here a few years ago. I believe Porsche AG did replace them under warranty initially, but latterly they made "contributions" to their replacement. https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&... Edited by Slippydiff on Sunday 2nd August 10:21

PRO5T said: https://www.instagram.com/reel/DY7BWHuhEwe/?igsh=O... Interesting little insight from RPM T, cam wear is a thing on Carrera GTs as well. Great to see the gearbox out of the car as well-what a work of engineering art. It's overstated as a thing - some cars have suffered - most have not and the German dealers take a far more pragmatic approach to changing them, as well as the frequency of engine out servicing knowing how few miles these cars cover. PAG were giving new cams free and the owners had to pay the labour, that's stopped in the UK but not in the USA. You'd have to have some serious wear for the variocam not to pick up the slack enough to make the engine run badly, it's mild pitting on the lobes rather than lobe wear. My car at nearly 78k miles is on the original cams, with no issues.

The revised cams shown in the RPMT video are visually very different to ones seen in the images in the thread I've posted a link to above. The revised items look like they could be billet items rather than chillcast. Either way, leaving a car sitting for many months and using it very occasionally (and probably leaving it idling to warm it up) won't help with premature cam wear issues. Not something your car would/has ever suffered from JC ... Comments on cam issues can be seen below : JPCGT said: lowndes said: Hi JPCGT Luckily the cams on my car were fine, which at 41k miles was a relief. No need for new buckets but the clearances needed adjusting so new shims required. As you will have seen from the initial post, the exhaust cams were taken out on my service so even if you need new ones all round, the labour should not be too much more. I have deleted my address as this is a public forum but if you need anymore info drop me a pm. One thing to add and as others before me have said, Reading were superb and I have complete confidence in their whole set up for these fabulous cars. Thanks Lowndes, Spoke with GT Technician at Reading and there is apparently no rhyme or reason to the pitting occurring on the camshafts. They've not seen a re-occurrence of this issue with the new replacement cams, so may point to a manufacturing/quality issue with the originally manufactured cams. As has been said by SW3, if you're in the market for a CGT, get the camshafts checked or verified they've been replaced.

Slippydiff said: For my penny worth,piiting is in the casting and probably not from any wear issues that i have ever seen.Casting is rarely perfect especially with chills. Where i done my apprenticeship,we made cams for most engine manufacturers including porsche,the only returns we ever got was from porsche 911 with micro pitting on the lobes after machining ,good place to keep a little extra oil! I was in the drawing office at the time the spec came in for the 928 hollow camshafts,never saw any returns for these. Porsche used to be super fussy.

Yellow491 said: For my penny worth, pitting is in the casting and probably not from any wear issues that I have ever seen. Casting is rarely perfect especially with chills. Where I done my apprenticeship, we made cams for most engine manufacturers including Porsche, the only returns we ever got was from Porsche 911 with micro pitting on the lobes after machining ,good place to keep a little extra oil ! I was in the drawing office at the time the spec came in for the 928 hollow camshafts, never saw any returns for these. Porsche used to be super fussy. Not applicable if the cams are machined from billet though surely Paul. But having owned a sand and investment casting foundry up until 1998, I agree, porosity in any casting is a common enough issue. Which company did you serve your apprenticeship at ?

Slippydiff said: Yellow491 said: For my penny worth, pitting is in the casting and probably not from any wear issues that I have ever seen. Casting is rarely perfect especially with chills. Where I done my apprenticeship, we made cams for most engine manufacturers including Porsche, the only returns we ever got was from Porsche 911 with micro pitting on the lobes after machining ,good place to keep a little extra oil ! I was in the drawing office at the time the spec came in for the 928 hollow camshafts, never saw any returns for these. Porsche used to be super fussy. Not applicable if the cams are machined from billet though surely Paul. But having owned a sand and investment casting foundry up until 1998, I agree, porosity in any casting is a common enough issue. Which company did you serve your apprenticeship at ? Was Brico,federal mogul in Lydney glos.