991 50th anniversary Edition - Page 4 - 911/Carrera GT - PistonHeads UK

Has anyone ordered one of these? Thinking of putting a deposit on one for next year. Was going to get Aston V12Vantage but i really like the look of this Porsche. Whats your opinions on this model? Seems very quite about them here , everyone is talking about the GT3 only.

cayman-black said: Has anyone ordered one of these? Thinking of putting a deposit on one for next year. Was going to get Aston V12Vantage but i really like the look of this Porsche. Whats your opinions on this model? Seems very quite about them here , everyone is talking about the GT3 only. Hard to get excited about a standard 911 with Cayman wheels, a metal rear spoiler and funny seats! IMHO...

I like the seats, but the rest of it just looks 'glammed up', IMO.

If it had the power kit as standard and a few other bells as whistles as per the u.s version the peeps would be more interested in it. They even picked a limited set of naff colours, quite how apologetic grey celebrates 50 years of the 911 I do not know. Maybe the 50 is reffering to the age of customer it's aimed at.

I really liked the look of one of these as I need somewhere to put the kids, specced one with powerkit,pccb etc and 116k. I then banged myself on the head and ordered a GT3 and sod the kids

Carl_Docklands said: If it had the power kit as standard and a few other bells as whistles as per the u.s version the peeps would be more interested in it. They even picked a limited set of naff colours, quite how apologetic grey celebrates 50 years of the 911 I do not know. Maybe the 50 is reffering to the age of customer it's aimed at. Ha i will be 50 next year. Bloody hell perhaps i should stick with the GT cars. So looks like they might lose a bit of money as no one is that keen then.

I like the two colours but don't see what it offers over a PTS equipped 991.

Scott Parker said: I really liked the look of one of these as I need somewhere to put the kids, specced one with powerkit,pccb etc and 116k. I then banged myself on the head and ordered a GT3 and sod the kids

Looks nice with the wide arse and retro rims etc etc, but could you reallllly choose one over a MEGA-spec 991?... Like this 4S with Powerkit.. http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...

I really liked the look ( interior and exterior ) of the 50th edition but my spec came to £104500. I just couldn't see the point even if I could get 10% off of choosing that over a GT3. Tbh I'm surprised people choose a c2s/c4s over the gt3 when looking at the price difference.

We have one ordered. Love the look of it and think its a lot more special than a normal 991. Need the 4 seats so no point saying why not get the gt3. We have one of them coming aswell!

andy74b said: We have one ordered. Love the look of it and think its a lot more special than a normal 991. Need the 4 seats so no point saying why not get the gt3. We have one of them coming aswell! Nice!!

Porsche have done 'anniversary' cars before. Most have faded from memory.

I saw it today in the flesh. Looked OK, but I don't really see the point of a 2 wheel drive wide body.

cayman-black said: Has anyone ordered one of these? Thinking of putting a deposit on one for next year. Was going to get Aston V12Vantage but i really like the look of this Porsche. Whats your opinions on this model? Seems very quite about them here , everyone is talking about the GT3 only. I'd have one over a V12 vantage for sure

I wouldn't. A GT3 might be a hard choice, but of course the Aston is a very different car and pushes different buttons. I am not sure what I would do, but this over a V12V? Nein, danke. Look at it this way. Was the 996 40th Anniversary a good buy? No, it wasn't because there were much better 996's (and better looking 996's) to be bought for less money. Was the 997 Sport Classic a good buy? No, it wasn't because there were FAR better 997's to be bought for a lot less money, not least the GTS which was a better car for nearly half the price of the Classic. So the lesson is that Porsche always try to take a huge profit out of 'special edition' models and mostly they seem to attract enough rich enthusiasts to make it work. So my recommendation is to give this a miss.

You are wrong about the sport classic. My pal has one, it is a thing of beauty. It is also worth more than he paid for it. Unlike any GTS.

rob.kellock said: You are wrong about the sport classic. My pal has one, it is a thing of beauty. It is also worth more than he paid for it. Unlike any GTS. +1 Sport Classic a true collectible and already very sought after. GTS a great 997, but essentially just a run out special.

cardigankid said: I wouldn't. A GT3 might be a hard choice, but of course the Aston is a very different car and pushes different buttons. I am not sure what I would do, but this over a V12V? Nein, danke. Look at it this way. Was the 996 40th Anniversary a good buy? No, it wasn't because there were much better 996's (and better looking 996's) to be bought for less money. Was the 997 Sport Classic a good buy? No, it wasn't because there were FAR better 997's to be bought for a lot less money, not least the GTS which was a better car for nearly half the price of the Classic. So the lesson is that Porsche always try to take a huge profit out of 'special edition' models and mostly they seem to attract enough rich enthusiasts to make it work. So my recommendation is to give this a miss. I hear you BUT Aston said they would only make 1000 V12's but then suddenly lifted the ceiling on production numbers and opened the flood gates. That makes them no longer exclusive and looking like the V8 still. Whilst I appreciate the new Anniversary may not be your average 911 buyers exclusive 911 at least porsche wiill stick to the original deal of 1963 cars

Yes the sport classic is a very special porsche with a low build number.lovely car. As to the Aston there might be over 1000 produced but still a low volume car, less than 1963 as well.

cayman-black said: Yes the sport classic is a very special porsche with a low build number.lovely car. As to the Aston there might be over 1000 produced but still a low volume car, less than 1963 as well. Yes but only thats cos that was all that was ordered! That's a statement in itself

roygarth said: I saw it today in the flesh. Looked OK, but I don't really see the point of a 2 wheel drive wide body. I always thought that combo was very sort after, right from the impact bumper SSE to the 993 C2S and then on to the 997 GTS/SC....

Wills2 said: roygarth said: I saw it today in the flesh. Looked OK, but I don't really see the point of a 2 wheel drive wide body. I always thought that combo was very sort after, right from the impact bumper SSE to the 993 C2S and then on to the 997 GTS/SC.... It may well be, but I don't see the point from a technical point of view eg 993C2S is slower and does not handle as well as 993C2 but is popular for aesthetic reasons - so you pay a premium for a car which is slower and has inferior handling?...I just don't think that's what Porsche should be about.

I ordered one.. liked the wheels

Did struggle for a long time with GT3 or 50th anniversary.... decided that we will use the latter more. I kept my 997 for 7 years, longest ever car ownership. GT3 will def be a better financial prospect due to long term reiduals without a doubt.

cardigankid said: Was the 996 40th Anniversary a good buy? No, it wasn't because there were much better 996's (and better looking 996's) to be bought for less money . Name them? The 40th Ann model offered a huge spec over standard for much less money than speccing up a boggo C2 - X51, LSD, M030, etc... It much like the 997 GTS as a model.

lotus211 said: Yes but only thats cos that was all that was ordered! That's a statement in itself Do you really think the Aston is that bad lotus211 ? just curious as most seem to love them.Plus iam leaning more to the V12 now.

cayman-black said: Do you really think the Aston is that bad lotus211 ? just curious as most seem to love them.Plus iam leaning more to the V12 now. Maybe i was being a little unfair but its poor form when u say you are limiting production so u get a raft of buyers then change that when people have paid up to buy a 'rare' car

911p said: cardigankid said: Was the 996 40th Anniversary a good buy? No, it wasn't because there were much better 996's (and better looking 996's) to be bought for less money . Name them? The 40th Ann model offered a huge spec over standard for much less money than speccing up a boggo C2 - X51, LSD, M030, etc... It much like the 997 GTS as a model. Correct me if I am wrong but I thought that the 996 40th Edition was at a premium price, and the use of the Turbo nose on the narrow body just looked unbalanced to me. The GTS had everything, wide body, alcantara, sports seats, Powerkit, the lot.

Helicopter123 said: +1 Sport Classic a true collectible and already very sought after. GTS a great 997, but essentially just a run out special. Just imho, but I don't see the Sport Classic as collectible or even desirable. £144k for a high specced 997 with a duck tail which anyone can now order? I'd sooner have a GT3, a GT3RS, a Turbo S or even a really nice late C4S frankly. I just don't see it, and like the 996 40th there always seem to be a few for sale. Someone who thinks they are going to get their £144k back seems to me to be a serious optimist. Unlikely things become classics, and to me, the GTS is one, and the V12V is another, because it is highly desirable and however many Aston say they are going to make, the reality is the actual numbers are going to be infinitesimal in the grand scheme of things.

cardigankid said: Correct me if I am wrong but I thought that the 996 40th Edition was at a premium price, and the use of the Turbo nose on the narrow body just looked unbalanced to me. The GTS had everything, wide body, alcantara, sports seats, Powerkit, the lot. GTS was also at a premium price. 40th Ann has loads of equipment; X51 powerkit, LSD, M030 sports suspension, GT silver interior kit, extended leather etc, even came with your own leather Porsche luggage kit. As I said, much like the GTS in the range. They were both run-out models with huge amounts of extra equipment for not much more money.

cardigankid said: Someone who thinks they are going to get their £144k back seems to me to be a serious optimist. Well you may think that but here are two serious optimists! £155k http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p... £150k http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...

AdamV12V said: cardigankid said: Someone who thinks they are going to get their £144k back seems to me to be a serious optimist. Well you may think that but here are two serious optimists! £155k http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p... £150k http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p... The market in general has started to get a bit silly this year - with lots of very optimistic pricing. Reminds me of the late '80s. IMO the SC is a nice 997.

"Porsche have done 'anniversary' cars before. Most have faded from memory." Have you seen the prices of the 30th anniversaries The 40th anniversary may not be to every ones liking but as already posted it was very well speced, the x51 option at the time was £8k ish and makes a great difference over a standard 996. 2nd fastest NA 996, only the gt3 is quicker. The 991 should deffo have the powerkit as standard

http://www.porsche.com/microsite/911-50/assets/dow... Maybe has been posted already but I noticed there is a brochure online now that I'd not seen before. Yes agree that the powerkit should have been standard in the UK like in the US..

Helicopter123 said: rob.kellock said: You are wrong about the sport classic. My pal has one, it is a thing of beauty. It is also worth more than he paid for it. Unlike any GTS. +1 Sport Classic a true collectible and already very sought after. GTS a great 997, but essentially just a run out special. +2 Having been on a recent road trip, with a mate there having one, I can safely say that it always draws admiring looks. The turbo on the other hand seemed to fade into the back ground in comparison. On paper, the 50th anniversary doesn't appeal to me that much, but I might change my mind once I've seen one in the metal. Edited by static2010 on Tuesday 10th September 00:01

lotus211 said: Maybe i was being a little unfair but its poor form when u say you are limiting production so u get a raft of buyers then change that when people have paid up to buy a 'rare' car Like the last gt3 ?

MCSL said: Looks nice with the wide arse and retro rims etc etc, but could you reallllly choose one over a MEGA-spec 991?... Like this 4S with Powerkit.. http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p... I looked at that car and came very close to buying it, great spec.

Looks fantastic,this is what a 911 is in my eyes. Wide body and beautiful lines with no stuck on spoilers and lips.

Thanks WA996G, That looks great loving that geyser grey paint.

roygarth said: I saw it today in the flesh. Looked OK, but I don't really see the point of a 2 wheel drive wide body. roygarth, who has one and where? TIA.

cayman-black said: roygarth said: I saw it today in the flesh. Looked OK, but I don't really see the point of a 2 wheel drive wide body. roygarth, who has one and where? TIA. What has what drive its got got to do with how wide it is? Did the 2WD 997 GTS not have the wider body also. Porsche know it looks better IMO. New RWD GT3 also has the wider shell.

roygarth said: Wills2 said: roygarth said: I saw it today in the flesh. Looked OK, but I don't really see the point of a 2 wheel drive wide body. I always thought that combo was very sort after, right from the impact bumper SSE to the 993 C2S and then on to the 997 GTS/SC.... It may well be, but I don't see the point from a technical point of view eg 993C2S is slower and does not handle as well as 993C2 but is popular for aesthetic reasons - so you pay a premium for a car which is slower and has inferior handling?...I just don't think that's what Porsche should be about. IIRC the 997 ones were praised for great handling and noted as being better than the narrow bodied cars, can't comment on the 993 or SSE.

Wanta996Gotta said: Looks fantastic,this is what a 911 is in my eyes. Wide body and beautiful lines with no stuck on spoilers and lips. Indeed, that is a delight!

Wanta996Gotta said: Looks fantastic,this is what a 911 is in my eyes. Wide body and beautiful lines with no stuck on spoilers and lips. Love the side profile and the interior in particular. Love that color too Good looking everyday 911 that

cayman-black said: roygarth said: I saw it today in the flesh. Looked OK, but I don't really see the point of a 2 wheel drive wide body. roygarth, who has one and where? TIA. Porsche were showing it at Classics At The Castle on Sunday...

OK. Thank you.

AdamV12V said: cardigankid said: Someone who thinks they are going to get their £144k back seems to me to be a serious optimist. Well you may think that but here are two serious optimists! £155k http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p... £150k http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p... Best of luck, I say, it isn't a £150k motor car in my book, not even close. Honestly, would you have one over a GT3? Anyway, back to the current one. Price of 991 Carrera S £83k. Price of this with no performance advantage at all, £92k. Nice set of alloys, some very dodgy looking retro VW Golf seat fabric, that's it. Edited by cardigankid on Wednesday 11th September 19:00

roygarth said: Porsche were showing it at Classics At The Castle on Sunday... Tony Hatter was giving a select few a preview

They had one at the PEC a month or so ago - I strongly suspect it was that one in the photo above as the plate rings a bell. Lovely looking things.

Actus Reus said: They had one at the PEC a month or so ago - I strongly suspect it was that one in the photo above as the plate rings a bell. Lovely looking things. Agreed the best looking anniversary so far

Wills2 said: roygarth said: Wills2 said: roygarth said: I saw it today in the flesh. Looked OK, but I don't really see the point of a 2 wheel drive wide body. I always thought that combo was very sort after, right from the impact bumper SSE to the 993 C2S and then on to the 997 GTS/SC.... It may well be, but I don't see the point from a technical point of view eg 993C2S is slower and does not handle as well as 993C2 but is popular for aesthetic reasons - so you pay a premium for a car which is slower and has inferior handling?...I just don't think that's what Porsche should be about. IIRC the 997 ones were praised for great handling and noted as being better than the narrow bodied cars, can't comment on the 993 or SSE. Yes, fair point...I was thinking of the 993's where the widebody 2S & 4S were literally lardy wide body versions of the regular C2 and C4 (OK the 4S had Turbo brakes) and were therefore slower and did not handle as well as their narrow body siblings. No surprise therefore that my 993RS is a narrow body! But the market places a premium on the widebodies as punters are prepared to pay a premium for the 'widebody look' I suppose. To be fair I've lost track with the 997's and 991's at to what is wide/narrow body etc. so if a 991 2 wheel drive widebody handles better than a narrow body then fair enough. If it doesn't then to me its a marketing exercise.

purpleperil said: roygarth said: Porsche were showing it at Classics At The Castle on Sunday... Tony Hatter was giving a select few a preview Nice guy....until I had a go at him for using a lardy widebody shell!

roygarth said: Yes, fair point...I was thinking of the 993's where the widebody 2S & 4S were literally lardy wide body versions of the regular C2 and C4 (OK the 4S had Turbo brakes) and were therefore slower and did not handle as well as their narrow body siblings. No surprise therefore that my 993RS is a narrow body! But the market places a premium on the widebodies as punters are prepared to pay a premium for the 'widebody look' I suppose. To be fair I've lost track with the 997's and 991's at to what is wide/narrow body etc. so if a 991 2 wheel drive widebody handles better than a narrow body then fair enough. If it doesn't then to me its a marketing exercise. Yes it is true the wide boy look has always been sort after and as you say not for the handling on the air cooled 911's. The wide bodied 993's do look good though! I would imagine that the modern 911's having dialed out most of the character of the older models are a different proposition when it comes to widen tracks etc... The difference between my old 997 C2S and a friends wide bodied targa was stark in that the C2S felt lively and the targa more planted but not as exciting. I guess it is different horses for courses. Cheers

purpleperil said: roygarth said: Porsche were showing it at Classics At The Castle on Sunday... Tony Hatter was giving a select few a preview It just looks like a flash 'of the moment' toff's car. But we're all different I suppose. If it float's your boat, great. To me it shouts 'Solicitor'. The trouble with Porsche is that they have produced a few design classics, but most of the time they are very commercial and very timid. For me, the last time Porsche showed any cojones at all was when the 996 succeeded the 993. It built on the past without being a slave to it. It broke new ground and the whole thing worked as a design, inside and out, headlights and all. Since then they have put the old fashioned lights back on it (997) and hit the scale up 10% button (991). They know that the 996 Turbo was the smartest front end they had designed since 1963 so they now spend all their time coming up with winky-w ky variations on it in the hope they might by some stroke of good fortune surpass the original. Porsche is a superb product, there is no doubt. But for me, I would buy a 997 GTS or a current Cayman S over this thing. The 'tribute' engine cover is so crass it's comical. From a design perspective it's an embarrassment, and don't start me on the interior. Edited by cardigankid on Thursday 12th September 20:27

Like all the other 991 models it's no doubt an excellent, class leading car, but agree that, as a special edition, it's really only got novelty value.

I actually like it (and I'm not a solicitor ). I just think it's a bit of a missed opportunity by Porsche to make it something "really special" 997 Sport Classic had it's share of "tarty bits" but also had a completely different body shell. I think Porsche have made more than enough dosh from everyone so as to be able to afford to give us something more with these specials (especially when it's celebrating 50 years of the 911 and not just cars painted black ). So at least, power kit should be standard and then something else....a bit extra.....IMO A chuffing huge whale-tail on the back would do it Edited by OggyDJ on Thursday 12th September 21:57

I agree. They are perfectly capable of making something really special.

cardigankid said: Just imho, but I don't see the Sport Classic as collectible or even desirable. £144k for a high specced 997 with a duck tail which anyone can now order? I'd sooner have a GT3, a GT3RS, a Turbo S or even a really nice late C4S frankly. I just don't see it, and like the 996 40th there always seem to be a few for sale. Someone who thinks they are going to get their £144k back seems to me to be a serious optimist. Unlikely things become classics, and to me, the GTS is one, and the V12V is another, because it is highly desirable and however many Aston say they are going to make, the reality is the actual numbers are going to be infinitesimal in the grand scheme of things. I think the subtleties of what make the Sport Classic what it is are lost on Cardigankid. When you see past the 'it's just a 997 with a ducktail spoiler' argument it becomes clear it is more than that. It's a moot subject and I say again, I understand why some people don't get or don't like the Sport Classic but please, people like my friend here, realise that the 911 encompasses many different models for many different tastes (and budgets). Some of us here would rather not have a GT3, GT3RS, Turbo S and so on. You also seem bemused at prices. Look again? The couple of cars currently available at circa £150k are likely to go for at least what was paid for them new - let's be harsh and say they go for £10k less - please enlighten me as to which 2010 911 has achieved residuals like that? There are only 22 registered in the UK - they are rare, provide incredible ownership satisfaction for those who get what the SC is about and will dent your assets rather less than many cars in class if you decide to sell it. As I have said before, I still doubt people bought the SC worrying about it's resale value anyway.

Agree they are a true classic!

£150k for a 997 simply just reflects how daft the market has become this summer IMO.

cardigankid said: Just imho, but I don't see the Sport Classic as collectible or even desirable. £144k for a high specced 997 with a duck tail which anyone can now order? I'd sooner have a GT3, a GT3RS, a Turbo S or even a really nice late C4S frankly. I just don't see it, and like the 996 40th there always seem to be a few for sale. Someone who thinks they are going to get their £144k back seems to me to be a serious optimist. Unlikely things become classics, and to me, the GTS is one, and the V12V is another, because it is highly desirable and however many Aston say they are going to make, the reality is the actual numbers are going to be infinitesimal in the grand scheme of things. I think the subtleties of what make the Sport Classic what it is are lost on Cardigankid. When you see past the 'it's just a 997 with a ducktail spoiler' argument it becomes clear it is more than that. It's a moot subject and I say again, I understand why some people don't get or don't like the Sport Classic but please, people like my friend here, realise that the 911 encompasses many different models for many different tastes (and budgets). Some of us here would rather not have a GT3, GT3RS, Turbo S and so on. You also seem bemused at prices. Look again? The couple of cars currently available at circa £150k are likely to go for at least what was paid for them new - let's be harsh and say they go for £10k less - please enlighten me as to which 2010 911 has achieved residuals like that? There are only 22 registered in the UK - they are rare, provide incredible ownership satisfaction for those who get what the SC is about and will dent your assets rather less than many cars in class if you decide to sell it. As I have said before, I still doubt people bought the SC worrying about it's resale value anyway.

cardigankid said: Just imho, but I don't see the Sport Classic as collectible or even desirable. £144k for a high specced 997 with a duck tail which anyone can now order? I'd sooner have a GT3, a GT3RS, a Turbo S or even a really nice late C4S frankly. I just don't see it, and like the 996 40th there always seem to be a few for sale. Someone who thinks they are going to get their £144k back seems to me to be a serious optimist. Unlikely things become classics, and to me, the GTS is one, and the V12V is another, because it is highly desirable and however many Aston say they are going to make, the reality is the actual numbers are going to be infinitesimal in the grand scheme of things. I think the subtleties of what make the Sport Classic what it is are lost on Cardigankid. When you see past the 'it's just a 997 with a ducktail spoiler' argument it becomes clear it is more than that. It's a moot subject and I say again, I understand why some people don't get or don't like the Sport Classic but please, people like my friend here, realise that the 911 encompasses many different models for many different tastes (and budgets). Some of us here would rather not have a GT3, GT3RS, Turbo S and so on. You also seem bemused at prices. Look again? The couple of cars currently available at circa £150k are likely to go for at least what was paid for them new - let's be harsh and say they go for £10k less - please enlighten me as to which 2010 911 has achieved residuals like that? There are only 22 registered in the UK - they are rare, provide incredible ownership satisfaction for those who get what the SC is about and will dent your assets rather less than many cars in class if you decide to sell it. As I have said before, I still doubt people bought the SC worrying about it's resale value anyway.

After seeing the 50th anniversary cars at Frankfurt yesterday and again today, I'd say that they actually have less kerb appeal than a standard C2S in a decent colour. If they cost about the same as a Carrera and someone really wanted same in a drab colour, then maybe they'd make sense.

SportClassic228 said: cardigankid said: Just imho, but I don't see the Sport Classic as collectible or even desirable. £144k for a high specced 997 with a duck tail which anyone can now order? I'd sooner have a GT3, a GT3RS, a Turbo S or even a really nice late C4S frankly. I just don't see it, and like the 996 40th there always seem to be a few for sale. Someone who thinks they are going to get their £144k back seems to me to be a serious optimist. Unlikely things become classics, and to me, the GTS is one, and the V12V is another, because it is highly desirable and however many Aston say they are going to make, the reality is the actual numbers are going to be infinitesimal in the grand scheme of things. I think the subtleties of what make the Sport Classic what it is are lost on Cardigankid. When you see past the 'it's just a 997 with a ducktail spoiler' argument it becomes clear it is more than that. It's a moot subject and I say again, I understand why some people don't get or don't like the Sport Classic but please, people like my friend here, realise that the 911 encompasses many different models for many different tastes (and budgets). Some of us here would rather not have a GT3, GT3RS, Turbo S and so on. You also seem bemused at prices. Look again? The couple of cars currently available at circa £150k are likely to go for at least what was paid for them new - let's be harsh and say they go for £10k less - please enlighten me as to which 2010 911 has achieved residuals like that? There are only 22 registered in the UK - they are rare, provide incredible ownership satisfaction for those who get what the SC is about and will dent your assets rather less than many cars in class if you decide to sell it. As I have said before, I still doubt people bought the SC worrying about it's resale value anyway. I agree with S.C. on this one. The Sport classic is far from a specced up 911. Exclusive shell, duck tail, headlights & rear bumpers too. Not to mention the interior. Ok, you can spec up the leather, but not those seats or carpet. The fact that they are so exclusive means they will be kept by die hard enthusiasts & will hold residuals. From the few on sale at the moment, this is obvious. Sure, there are replicas out there, but the sheer fact that they are highly modified 911's means they are worth less than a standard one IMHO.

SportClassic228 said: I think the subtleties of what make the Sport Classic what it is are lost on Cardigankid. You could be right. I accept that, but I am as you can see a long way from being persuaded. If this is a car you could sit in, and drive, and be excited, and think, 'Yes, this is the real deal', I could get it. But I see what I could buy for £144k, and I genuinely don't get it, nor do I see how this is going to be a desirable car for the long term. If these cars fetch £140-150k, which I struggle to believe, then to my mind, all that is happening is that rarity is holding the value up, for a time. The BMW Z8 does this, but it is a genuine rarity, not just a 997 with a few bits tacked on. But the dip will come, and it will be big. What makes it so special? How is the body shell unique? porsche just wouldn't do that. It's got a wide body, ok, so has the GTS. There are very few of them. So what? I'm prepared to be won over, please have a go.. As for the new one, I find the typical conversation you have with a 991 owner goes... 'What did you have before?' 'A 997' 'Do you prefer this?' 'Yes, its far better' 'What do you prefer about it' 'It's just far better' 'Is it faster?' 'Oh, yes. far faster' 'What about the interior' 'Much better' 'Steering' 'A lot better' That, imho, is because to them its just the latest Porsche. It has to be better, it just cost them 80 big ones. Finish.

cardigankid said: SportClassic228 said: I think the subtleties of what make the Sport Classic what it is are lost on Cardigankid. You could be right. I accept that, but I am as you can see a long way from being persuaded. If this is a car you could sit in, and drive, and be excited, and think, 'Yes, this is the real deal', I could get it. But I see what I could buy for £144k, and I genuinely don't get it, nor do I see how this is going to be a desirable car for the long term. If these cars fetch £140-150k, which I struggle to believe, then to my mind, all that is happening is that rarity is holding the value up, for a time. The BMW Z8 does this, but it is a genuine rarity, not just a 997 with a few bits tacked on. But the dip will come, and it will be big. What makes it so special? How is the body shell unique? porsche just wouldn't do that. It's got a wide body, ok, so has the GTS. There are very few of them. So what? I'm prepared to be won over, please have a go.. As for the new one, I find the typical conversation you have with a 991 owner goes... 'What did you have before?' 'A 997' 'Do you prefer this?' 'Yes, its far better' 'What do you prefer about it' 'It's just far better' 'Is it faster?' 'Oh, yes. far faster' 'What about the interior' 'Much better' 'Steering' 'A lot better' That, imho, is because to them its just the latest Porsche. It has to be better, it just cost them 80 big ones. Finish. Hang on...the 997 Sport Classic has a unique body shell incorporating "double-bubble" roof. It was even separately homologated as I understand it. I get you don't get it but for me, this really is the kind of thing these specials should be. Something truly unique and not repeatable by attacking a stock Carrera with the Tecquipment catalog. So in case of 991 50th Anniversary, yes, I agree unfortunately (meaning it should have been more special). But 997 Sport Classic....I think the current values speak for themselves and rightly so IMO

OggyDJ said: Hang on...the 997 Sport Classic has a unique body shell incorporating "double-bubble" roof. It was even separately homologated as I understand it. I get you don't get it but for me, this really is the kind of thing these specials should be. Something truly unique and not repeatable by attacking a stock Carrera with the Tecquipment catalog. So in case of 991 50th Anniversary, yes, I agree unfortunately (meaning it should have been more special). Pretty much sums it up!

Wills2 said: roygarth said: Wills2 said: roygarth said: I saw it today in the flesh. Looked OK, but I don't really see the point of a 2 wheel drive wide body. I always thought that combo was very sort after, right from the impact bumper SSE to the 993 C2S and then on to the 997 GTS/SC.... It may well be, but I don't see the point from a technical point of view eg 993C2S is slower and does not handle as well as 993C2 but is popular for aesthetic reasons - so you pay a premium for a car which is slower and has inferior handling?...I just don't think that's what Porsche should be about. IIRC the 997 ones were praised for great handling and noted as being better than the narrow bodied cars, can't comment on the 993 or SSE. 997 4S version was first one that was quicker around the ring by 2 seconds.

cardigankid said: SportClassic228 said: I think the subtleties of what make the Sport Classic what it is are lost on Cardigankid. You could be right. I accept that, but I am as you can see a long way from being persuaded. If this is a car you could sit in, and drive, and be excited, and think, 'Yes, this is the real deal', I could get it. But I see what I could buy for £144k, and I genuinely don't get it, nor do I see how this is going to be a desirable car for the long term. If these cars fetch £140-150k, which I struggle to believe, then to my mind, all that is happening is that rarity is holding the value up, for a time. The BMW Z8 does this, but it is a genuine rarity, not just a 997 with a few bits tacked on. But the dip will come, and it will be big. What makes it so special? How is the body shell unique? porsche just wouldn't do that. It's got a wide body, ok, so has the GTS. There are very few of them. So what? I'm prepared to be won over, please have a go.. As for the new one, I find the typical conversation you have with a 991 owner goes... 'What did you have before?' 'A 997' 'Do you prefer this?' 'Yes, its far better' 'What do you prefer about it' 'It's just far better' 'Is it faster?' 'Oh, yes. far faster' 'What about the interior' 'Much better' 'Steering' 'A lot better' That, imho, is because to them its just the latest Porsche. It has to be better, it just cost them 80 big ones. Finish. Okay, cardigankid - I fully accept and appreciate your views, but I am compelled to try and win you over! The Sport Classic is not just a 997 with a few bits tacked on. If only for that reason alone it must be seen as it's own unique model. It was in fact the development of this car that gave rise to the GTS model being introduced, being a rear wheel drive car in the wider body, but that is where the similarities stop. It has it's own uniquely designed body - as pointed out the double bubble roof required the Sport Classic to undergo it's own testing programme. They had to smash a few to pieces to pass the necessary legal safety requirements (think on how this must be factored into the costs on a run of 250 cars). The exhaust set up is also unique to the Sport Classic. Granted many of the top end specs, such as carbon fibre aerokit and ceramic brakes are widely available as add ons, but the interior is a thing of wonderment. It was designed to showcase the abilities of Porsche's Exclusive department and they left no corner of the interior untouched. The detail is just astonishing (there is virtually no exposed plastic at all) and again I concede many of these uber touches can now be specced (very costly when you add it all up) but, the Sport Classic also benefits from a unique interior cloth and carpet. It sounds silly, but the interior is not repeatable, it looks amazing and again adds another layer of exclusivity to the car. So, I make the argument that as a sum of all it's parts, the Sport Classic is a genuinely original model. Having an incredibly limited run of 250 cars also makes it a genuinely rare model. As I said earlier I understand only 22 reside in the UK. From a performance perspective It drives like the GTS, which I believe is one of the finest derivatives of the 997 ever produced. From an aesthetic viewpoint it is 911 porn. It really is a special car. Porsche do enjoy asking big money for these special editions but the Sport Classic is one of the few that justifies it's price. Far more so than the 50 year anniversary model, of which there are immediately 1713 more available at launch than the Sport Classic. We are in the grip of a particularly strong market and prices are rising furiously (look at the 964's) but let's assume that bubble will burst (and it will), the Sport Classic will continue to be an elusive, rare, desirable model which will hold it's price far better than any other 997 of that era. The simple rules of supply and demand say it will. There will always be more people potentially interested in buying this car than there are cars available. So, whilst I completely understand it's not on your hit list and may not be the model of choice for the majority of 911 fans, there will always be an undersupplied niche market for this car. I guess my main argument is that it is it's own model rather than just a dressed up 997 and it's rarity will dictate it's position in the market. It's a model that conjures up more emotion, excitement and debate than any other recent 911 and I think deserves it's place as a very special car. If I haven't won you over, it's been fun to try and if our paths ever cross I would be delighted to take you out for a spin in mine as a last ditched attempt at converting you!

cardigankid said: You could be right. I accept that, but I am as you can see a long way from being persuaded. If this is a car you could sit in, and drive, and be excited, and think, 'Yes, this is the real deal', I could get it. But I see what I could buy for £144k, and I genuinely don't get it, nor do I see how this is going to be a desirable car for the long term. If these cars fetch £140-150k, which I struggle to believe, then to my mind, all that is happening is that rarity is holding the value up, for a time. The BMW Z8 does this, but it is a genuine rarity, not just a 997 with a few bits tacked on. But the dip will come, and it will be big. What makes it so special? How is the body shell unique? porsche just wouldn't do that. It's got a wide body, ok, so has the GTS. There are very few of them. So what? I'm prepared to be won over, please have a go.. As for the new one, I find the typical conversation you have with a 991 owner goes... 'What did you have before?' 'A 997' 'Do you prefer this?' 'Yes, its far better' 'What do you prefer about it' 'It's just far better' 'Is it faster?' 'Oh, yes. far faster' 'What about the interior' 'Much better' 'Steering' 'A lot better' That, imho, is because to them its just the latest Porsche. It has to be better, it just cost them 80 big ones. Finish. I had a 997 for a long time, loved it, but found I was using it less in the last few years. The 991 when I first saw it didn't thrill me, looked way too much like the 997, was a bit quicker, quite a lot more civilised to drive if you want it to be on the road though. Thought about it for a year or two, then saw the anniversary model. £100k for the wheels and the rest fo the car comes free, seems like sensible man maths to me. I toyed with getting a GT3 but think in the end I'll use a regular 991 a lot more, and the way the 991 does road and track so well is great. Yes maybe the steering loses something over a 997 but drive one for a while and it is just different, and for me does the touring thing much better, quieter, more comfy etc. Yes I am getting old before anyone suggests it.

SportClassic228 said: ....If I haven't won you over, it's been fun to try and if our paths ever cross I would be delighted to take you out for a spin in mine as a last ditched attempt at converting you! Having read that, I can now see what is meant by the special bodyshell, and I would also agree that the right details on a car can make a huge difference. Some of the subtleties had gone over my head, and I thought it was basically a 997 with a wide body and a duck tail. Perhaps in fairness, it is a car you have to see in the flesh to appreciate. And I am not just trying to scrounge a run in one! Incidentally, my (implied) criticism of 991 owners was not meant to apply to PH members, who I know are more or less knowledgeable enthusiasts. But there are a lot of the other kind out there, and I met one only yesterday.

anonymous said: [redacted] Cmoose.. i meant that having had a 997 for a long time, I didn't feel like jumping straight into 991 ownership as visually there seemed little difference. I know that the 997 was really a face lifted 996, but never really like the interior of the 996 much, always loved the shape of the 993 which the 997 seemed a closer relation to than the 996. http://tokyo75.exblog.jp/17654517/ some pics which capture my thoughts on the similarity of looks, i do think the 991 looks great but not a major departure.

It's not that different, just sized up. Tweaks, subtle, but just tweaks. The only really revolutionary change in 911 design was the 996. If you look at the 991, it's basically the same design. The front end, the roofline, the way the tail end is shaped. We are talking very subtle modifications.

cardigankid said: SportClassic228 said: ....If I haven't won you over, it's been fun to try and if our paths ever cross I would be delighted to take you out for a spin in mine as a last ditched attempt at converting you! Having read that, I can now see what is meant by the special bodyshell, and I would also agree that the right details on a car can make a huge difference. Some of the subtleties had gone over my head, and I thought it was basically a 997 with a wide body and a duck tail. Perhaps in fairness, it is a car you have to see in the flesh to appreciate. And I am not just trying to scrounge a run in one! Incidentally, my (implied) criticism of 991 owners was not meant to apply to PH members, who I know are more or less knowledgeable enthusiasts. But there are a lot of the other kind out there, and I met one only yesterday. I was going to mention from the previous comments are too many people have made up their minds about the SC from magazine reviews & online hype. In fact I would probably have done the same until I'd seen one in the metal. How many people have actually seen one / heard / or driven one? Until you do, then you can't possibly begin to appreciate just how special they are. SportClassic228 I'm sure you will agree, it still amazes me how they managed to tune the exhaust on these to sound like an air cooled one. I for one will be on the lookout for one of these if I can ever find one at the right price...

Anyway....back to the topic... http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lCzXn763Uus

Just found out our car has been completed today. So hopefully on way to UK and then dealer with the next 2 wks. Anyone elese got a date yet?

andy74b said: Just found out our car has been completed today. So hopefully on way to UK and then dealer with the next 2 wks. Anyone elese got a date yet? colour and spec please

cardigankid said: To me it shouts 'Solicitor'. You could be on to something. I love it and am a Solicitor. I clearly have no taste, I love the Sports Classic too.

SFO said: colour and spec please Quick copy and paste! Individualisation Order no. Individual equipment Prices* C2 Graphite Grey £ 0.00 JA Black interior in Leather/cloth £ 0.00 567 Windscreen with grey top-tint £ 77.00 625 Porsche Entry & Drive £ 801.00 636 ParkAssist (front and rear) £ 639.00 653 Electric glass slide/tilt sunroof £ 1,530.00 P13 Automatically dimming interior and exterior mirrors with integrated rain sensor £ 372.00 030 PASM sport suspension (20 mm lower) £ 558.00 250 Porsche Doppelkupplung (PDK) £ 2,525.00 640 Sport Chrono Package Plus £ 1,376.00 658 Power steering Plus £ 178.00 XRU 20-inch Sport Classic wheel Exclusive £ 0.00 342 Heated seats £ 320.00 454 Cruise control £ 267.00 581 Luggage net passenger footwell £ 0.00 P07 Adaptive Sports seats Plus (18-way, electric) £ 688.00 844 Multifunction steering wheel £ 73.00 CXM Door panel Ext. Int. Pack in leather Exclusive £ 324.00 CZW Dashboard trim Ext. Int. Pack in leather Exclusive £ 801.00 619 Mobile phone preparation £ 445.00 691 Digital radio (DAB, DAB+, DMB) £ 324.00 P23 Porsche Communication Management (PCM) including navigation module £ 2,141.00 T93 Porsche Vehicle Tracking System (VTS) £ 1,140.00 Not had a new 911 since by 996 GT3 over 10yrs ago so looking forward to this.

andy74b said: Quick copy and paste! Individualisation Order no. Individual equipment Prices* C2 Graphite Grey £ 0.00 JA Black interior in Leather/cloth £ 0.00 567 Windscreen with grey top-tint £ 77.00 625 Porsche Entry & Drive £ 801.00 636 ParkAssist (front and rear) £ 639.00 653 Electric glass slide/tilt sunroof £ 1,530.00 P13 Automatically dimming interior and exterior mirrors with integrated rain sensor £ 372.00 030 PASM sport suspension (20 mm lower) £ 558.00 250 Porsche Doppelkupplung (PDK) £ 2,525.00 640 Sport Chrono Package Plus £ 1,376.00 658 Power steering Plus £ 178.00 XRU 20-inch Sport Classic wheel Exclusive £ 0.00 342 Heated seats £ 320.00 454 Cruise control £ 267.00 581 Luggage net passenger footwell £ 0.00 P07 Adaptive Sports seats Plus (18-way, electric) £ 688.00 844 Multifunction steering wheel £ 73.00 CXM Door panel Ext. Int. Pack in leather Exclusive £ 324.00 CZW Dashboard trim Ext. Int. Pack in leather Exclusive £ 801.00 619 Mobile phone preparation £ 445.00 691 Digital radio (DAB, DAB+, DMB) £ 324.00 P23 Porsche Communication Management (PCM) including navigation module £ 2,141.00 T93 Porsche Vehicle Tracking System (VTS) £ 1,140.00 Not had a new 911 since by 996 GT3 over 10yrs ago so looking forward to this. lovely spec!! the 911-50s look sensational IMO, especially with the agate grey leather/cloth interior please post lots of pics when it arrives.

rob.kellock said: You could be on to something. I love it and am a Solicitor. I clearly have no taste, I love the Sports Classic too. Likewise. I'm just a notary though.

andy74b said: Just found out our car has been completed today. So hopefully on way to UK and then dealer with the next 2 wks. Anyone elese got a date yet? Mine is at the dealer and I should be collecting early next week. Hopefully this link will open in the porsche configurator for the spec. http://www.porsche-code.com/PEFW9GW1

Worth downloading the 3d viewer and pressing the play button imho.

just waiting for car to be registered..

Very nice indeed. Looks almost brown in that light. Love the way the wheels really fill the arches

Fantastic. Hope you really enjoy it. Looks great.

rob.kellock said: Fantastic. Hope you really enjoy it. Looks great. Thanks.. quite excited to drive next week. More grey in this pic..

Has anyone negotiated any good discounts of these ?

mcx27 said: Thanks.. quite excited to drive next week. More grey in this pic.. I bet you are. I think it's fabulous.

First anniversary with PDK as well.

lotus211 said: First anniversary with PDK as well. Novel selling point. Last of the air cooled? Well mine is first of the pdk anniversaries! Love the exterior look of this though, and the seats, dash is beginning to look quite vag though. Those new Fuchs are the business.

Looks fantastic put some more pics when you can.

stratford OPC ?

mcx27 said: just waiting for car to be registered.. Fantastic!! Congrats and good luck when you pick up. Hopefully ours ready next weekend.

mcx27 said: rob.kellock said: Fantastic. Hope you really enjoy it. Looks great. Thanks.. quite excited to drive next week. More grey in this pic.. Really really like that, looks gorgeous.

Nice car, I bet the wheels look even better on the move.

I love the whole package and overall look of this car, and very much look forward to buying one in 8 years for less than 20 grand.

Carl_Docklands said: Nice car, I bet the wheels look even better on the move. Can't find any reviews on YouTube yet?

There have been a few German ones several months back. Graphite Grey car http://www.zdf.de/ZDFmediathek/beitrag/video/19249... Geyser Grey car at around 03:50 mark http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IB3-QV528IU

I saw the 50th at Frankfurt a few weeks ago - one in each colour. It was getting a LOT of attention and all seemed very positive. I also thought it looked great in the flesh and could really see myself owning one.

Looking forward to see a geyser grey one.

cayman-black said: stratford OPC ? Yes, there until tomorrow eve, then gone.. pop in and see if you are near.. just don't touch

Went for all leather seats in the end.

shavenhaven said: I saw the 50th at Frankfurt a few weeks ago - one in each colour. It was getting a LOT of attention and all seemed very positive. I also thought it looked great in the flesh and could really see myself owning one. The only thing that stuck in my craw about this car is that U.S market gets the car with powerkit as standard for less money. It's a nice car but why the 10k premium over a C2S ?

Back in July a dear friend of mine traded in her Cayman S (which she loved) for a four month old one. She absolutely adores it.

Stunning, especially with the hounds tooth seats.

PHH said: Back in July a dear friend of mine traded in her Cayman S (which she loved) for a four month old one. She absolutely adores it. Very nice car- they look a quality overall package- but just a little bit pimped up and glam for my taste.

Another shot

Rear shot (sorry bit out of focus) I will get a better one soon.

Final shot

Here we go. When she came over to see me from her home in north London. she took me for a spin early October and it simply flew. The noise from the engine/exhaust is just fantastic. Not much room in the back though !!! Wills2 said: Stunning, especially with the hounds tooth seats. Edited by PHH on Tuesday 18th November 17:57 Edited by PHH on Tuesday 18th November 17:59 Edited by PHH on Tuesday 18th November 18:00

Great car, love the retro touches.

Fantastic one listed today - nice in black rather than the battleship grey. Surprised there isn't much chat about these. https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/17418839

Lovely looking car but the price seems very optimistic. A GTS would be a much better buy for considerably less.

To get the money they need to be Geyser Grey…that’s what I was once told anyway. That and the manual box with the Powerkit. In that spec probably worth this and more.

Have a 718 GT4 and I'd love one of these Is Powerkit a necessity? Yes, the 991.1 GTS seems to make more sense, but heart over head says 50th Anniversary

Lovely one listed with the rare power kit. https://rpmtechnik.co.uk/porsche-sales/vehicle/991...

Lovely one with the power kit listed today. They seem to be climbing in value https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/20672527

Bought mine new in 2014 (Geyser Grey). 45k miles, still love it and it never fails to get compliments, one of those cars even non petrol heads seem to fall in love with

Love these, albeit I’ve never actually seen one!

I bought the blsck x51 power kit one last month from rpm teknik. I love it

RUGBYMAN904 said: I bought the blsck x51 power kit one last month from rpm teknik. I love it Oh this one https://rpmtechnik.co.uk/porsche-sales/vehicle/991... looks amazing! great choice.

Jones the cat said: Lovely one listed with the rare power kit. https://rpmtechnik.co.uk/porsche-sales/vehicle/991... I bought this one

RUGBYMAN904 said: Jones the cat said: Lovely one listed with the rare power kit. https://rpmtechnik.co.uk/porsche-sales/vehicle/991... I bought this one Thats the one. Superb choice. Congratulations. What car have you come from to now that? big difference?

It's my first Porsche .. how about you

It's my first Porsche .. how about you