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YOUR RESEARCHthe New 992 911!
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Use 911 as inspiration, now it appears
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I always thought vacuum cleaner and air conditioning designers used the 911 as inspiration, now it appears to be the other way around.
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From the side profile also, its not a nice clean continuos line through the rest of the car, this line (ok for simple speak lets call it the seam, where the bar meets the metalwork) at the rear is off to the front, it is at eyebrow height (top of the arch) at the rear, then a few inches lower than the eyebrow of the guard at the front, and appears to run through the rim.
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The problem is Porsche don’t make it look like it would be.
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From the side profile also, its not a nice clean continuos line through the rest of the car, this line (ok for simple speak lets call it the seam, where the bar meets the metalwork) at the rear is off to the front, it is at eyebrow height (top of the arch) at the rear, then a few inches lower than the eyebrow of the guard at the front, and appears to run through the rim.
Replace "the basic silhouette" would mean a new model
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The whole point of the 911 is evolution, changing "the basic silhouette" would mean a new model.
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911 tradionalists hate to see change, stems from the fact that the 911 went for so long without major change.
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From the side profile also, its not a nice clean continuos line through the rest of the car, this line (ok for simple speak lets call it the seam, where the bar meets the metalwork) at the rear is off to the front, it is at eyebrow height (top of the arch) at the rear, then a few inches lower than the eyebrow of the guard at the front, and appears to run through the rim.
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From the side profile also, its not a nice clean continuos line through the rest of the car, this line (ok for simple speak lets call it the seam, where the bar meets the metalwork) at the rear is off to the front, it is at eyebrow height (top of the arch) at the rear, then a few inches lower than the eyebrow of the guard at the front, and appears to run through the rim.
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Its about time they offered a little more variety in the wheel and calipers ..........I saw a couple of the test cars with silver calipers and the Porsche logo color in the matching body color and thought it was a sharp look ...
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due for release 2019?
what do folks think about its looks
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/2019-porsche-911
rear end may be polarising for some?
140 page thread on this on Rennlist with some more recent images ............not a fan of the rear tail lights and the 3 brake light ,,,we still will not 100% know until the release as there are several combinations of rear end details on test mules getting around ...
https://rennlist.com/forums/992/973415-2019-next-generation-992-spy-pics-140.html
this was mentioned just yesterday in another thread, about on the 996/7 & 991 where the bar meets the guard around the headlamp ( I think its fine btw).. now the question is answered, this looks shocking to me that one big line.
I Am not a fan off that either ,,,,,,,unfortunately there is a video floating around of about half a dozen black test mules in L.A and San Fran area and they all have that front guard and bonnet detail ,,,there are different bumpers and other minor difference on the cars but that detail remains the same on all ,,,,,kinda gives the impression that will be the finished product ...???
That looks much better and has some thought put into it! Not a fan of those big ugly grilles though!
The rest just looks like a 991.... which by the looks is what buyers want.
The original 911 was a cute good looking girl. Now she is a big old dame who has had too much plastic surgery.
It is a fact that modern Porsches (cars in general) are not especially good looking.
But I'll grant they have lower emissions than the girls of the 60s!
It doesn't look right!
From the side profile also, its not a nice clean continuos line through the rest of the car, this line (ok for simple speak lets call it the seam, where the bar meets the metalwork) at the rear is off to the front, it is at eyebrow height (top of the arch) at the rear, then a few inches lower than the eyebrow of the guard at the front, and appears to run through the rim.
Although not perfect on the 991 its better, or at least gives the impression of a more continuos line.
Similar to the 991 on the 997, the line appears to run about the eyebrow height of the wheel
Dead perfect on the longhood!
I think the other genius (or pupose) of the front bar seam being where it is in the prior models, is you are somewhat losing the seam, by placing it through the shortest path.
It is also nice that the hood (bonnet/frunk lid) is shorter on the prior cars, it finishes higher than the lowest point of the headlamp.
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New one is a "long hood"
I'm sure someone with more design savvy can correct my shitty translation...
I will agree to disagree...
Several 992 test mules caught on I phone in San Fran .............the young lady in the video is quite excited at all the Porsche,s
Her you tube channel ............a lot better than Smee
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCY9xEzB7-615k5ElVuFFbmw/videos
I'm sorry (and I know this is going to upset some people) but I've had enough of the basic 911 shape being minutely changed with every model.
I really do think it's time for Porsche to bite the bullet and design a whole new car that doesn't resemble the basic 911 shape as their flagship model.
I know the 928 was intended for that purpose but lets face it the 911 shape has now been done to death. There are only so many stickers and spoiler designs out there.
Some of the recent concept cars seem to fit the bill.
Ferrari seem to get away with it (washing my mouth out with soap now
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"Build it and they will come"
Ok i'm off o/s where 911 owners can't find me
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3legs (ex 924, 911, 930 owner)
The whole point of the 911 is evolution, changing "the basic silhouette" would mean a new model.
I'd welcome a new variant, but lets face it (and using the past as a reference) a 928 aint a 911, 2 totally different cars... better if they live together in harmony, buy one or the other or both if you can.
Not really disagreeing with you Edgy but I just think the 911 has evolved about as far as it can without changing to a new model.
You're right a 928 is no 911, It's better
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Some of the recent concept cars still have the basic 2 door shape but don't have the silhouette of a 911 but still look sensational (although we all know when they release a car it looks nothing like the concept).
Hate the front "Air conditioner" grills, back grills, razor thin back lights and out of proportion lengths from bottom of windscreen to both bumpers. Never thought I'd say it, time to change those proportions, move the front cockpit back, ditch the back seats, engine forward and shorten the overall length. Bloody easy, what could possibly go wrong with my plan hahhaaha
No from a Fujitsu split system
Zoom in - that black plastic doesn’t look like final fit, the intakes are a different shape - my guess is that’s camouflage - I hope......
3.0l turbo is the other big detractor imho....
I hope you are right, but the is a raised line running behind the number plate that has to hook up with something?!
I have to say it looks the most like a previous version yet...…
The frunk has a squared off look about it which i don't like and don't get me started on those grilles, what a horrid look. When you look at the front guards at different angles it has a VW Beetle look about it as well, i also read somewhere that this iteration would have some styling cues from the 993 thrown in hence the big ass? I don't mind the look of the hips on this car.
Funny, I showed them to my significant other last night, that is exactly what she said= beetle!
I am sure they'll make it palatable by the time we see a production car... but I'm hardly excited based on the "spy shots" ...
Hhahah they answered their own question to the problem of the too large run out of options 911 with the GT4. Tweak up the power dept and turbo it for, respectively, a GT3 and Turbo/GT2 replacement and tweak down the body adornments for Carrera replacement. So easy huh!
It'd destroy the Porsche marketing and they'd need to come up with the 2020 mod 928 to save the company!
correct, options on both - crazy money for active cruise, lane departure etc.
$35k Hyundai comes loaded with that stuff, needs to be optioned on a $300k 911...
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anyone else notice the dash? Zoom in - they have cardboard over it, looks underneath like its got a hump that differs from 911s of the past incl. 991
The main thing I can not stand is the High mount brake light ,,I honestly hope this is just something put on the mules and the final car will either not have it or have something with a little more style about it .......The one in vid looks like some crap from supercheap auto that they stuck on with double sided tape ...
Those designers cling desperately to their belief that if is it below the headlight line then it is not a grill, merely an air intake.... and they could probably sell ice to the Eskimo's...… (well they would bloody try to!)
The Cayenne is a prime example of this, massive grills, but to Porsche it has none.....
It's not, but it is still the official Porsche line that none of it's cars have a grill and that none never will.....
I think they are starting to believe their own BS...….
For all the stories of a new 928, it will never be...… another transaxle car will never come from Porsche and if it has not got that it's not a 928. Kind of like having a non flat 6 911......
The 911 has become a metaphor for Porsche, not its commercial reality. Even if they kept making the original 911, SC, or the 993 or the 959, or Carrera GT as a tribute to their past it might have more meaning than these successive aberrations of an innovative and courageous original design. One has to wonder what they are really planning as its replacement as a 'sports' car, as it seems to be becoming more myth than reality.
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I have just read a 4 car shootout between the 991, Mclaren something, Audi R8 and the new Aston, the Porsche was rated best overall, which is nice, but boy did it look bland and boring compared to the rest! It just does not look special when in company, looks great by itself though....
And the new 992 looks very similar...
Obviously this is not the finish production car yet but all of the pre production mules I have seen have all had these rear end design details ,,,,I honestly hope this is not the finished product ...
Yep, I’m not sure I like:
- the integrated exhaust
- the centre brake light in the decklid
- the decklid the way it integrates with the swoop of the rear window
- the integrated rear wing
- the Venetian blinds in the front air ducts
- the fact that it’s got “advanced driver technologies” (I thought in a 911that would be the driver - ffs!)
- the rear light bar (I’m not sure that I’m not sure about this)
- I think it’s longer than the prev model (I’m sure I don’t like that, i mean how friggen big can these cars get?)
- while I’m at it... don’t like the all turbo, reduced cc capacity across the range - emissions, meh!
i like: - the wide body look
That’ll do for now...
‘Member the days when a 911 decklid came up to your shin and not your elbow? I remember...
The side profile must just about match a mustang now except for the bluff front. But then standing the lights up a bit to make some torpedo tubes would make it more interesting.
what will they call the turbo now? Time for ‘turbo carrera’ to make a comeback?
It still looks like a 911, they have done their job. They have tried to modernise the design, it works a bit, I like the fact that they tried, just recycling the same old design ethos is a bit boring to me....
Porsche will sell everyone one they can make too!
From my understanding the LA Motor show is the official unveiling of the 992 ,,,this is only a few days away so expect to see it very soon ...
Also there is a VIP an press day before the opening day of show so we may see some images in the next 24hrs ...
I feel in reality the 911 has been making a slow conservative march towards being a Grand Tourer.
The Boxster and Cayman are the sports cars now this new design looks far more like a GT and looks the goods.
I think the 991.2 GT3 Touring will be the peak of 911 evolution... all down hill from here
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Old one is better blah blah blah new one is too soft etc etc. Same response, rinse and repeat every 10 years or so (5 if you include the .2s)...
Yes major change from the previous model ,,I do like what I see inside so far ....will wait for some better images ..
more here good video ..
https://www.autoblog.com/2018/11/27/2020-porsche-911-mark-webber-video/
I like it!
https://gtpurelyporsche.com/new-911-officially-revealed/?fbclid=IwAR240JoHLOPu6s2iHEX0EjaWXtsUXr9nH5rU3j3cKnLqePvE46SMXB8OCjk
This wont go down well!!
"Importantly there will no longer be narrow and wide body 911s, all will now feature haunches as wide, if not wider, than those typically reserved for Turbo models"
Yeh the crying on other forums has already started .................I look at it this way the car is what it is ,,,if people dont like it don,t buy one ....
My first impressions I like it ...
Meh the back is too high. So is the front - the lights are too high. And the wheels are too big. And it’s a fat beast.
why can’t they just build a faster 993?
They all ride on the wide body chassis now .....The high mount brake light really dosnt appeal to me
but I am certain some after market supplier will come up with a novel way of removing it and replacing it with some thing that looks better ..
Love everything apart from the centre rear stop light. Why that was not integrated into the top of the rear window to compliment the red tail light strip amazes me
I think it looks lovely – a car I’d love to get in with the Mrs and drive some lovely roads on my way to Daylesford for a weekend away. Lovely.
But do I want to chuck it around Reefton Spur? Meh… I’m sure it would be amazing. The problem is Porsche don’t make it look like it would be. To be fair, they’re somewhat between a rock and a hard place when you consider the audience for a brand new Carrera S. Add to this Porsche’s penchant of taking itself waaaaay too seriously when producing any kind of video or advertising material. With this in mind and considering the demographic profile of their target market, they present the car as a luxury Grand Tourer, sliently and calmly carving it’s way through cities and sweeping country roads.
I watched this video and thought I really need to see Chris Harris wringing its neck in anger to get any sense of the excitement that I’m sure lurks beneath it’s ever widening rear end. Because Porsche do a really good job of making it look like about the least fun one can have in a rear-engined thoroughbred…
I'm no traditionalist. happy for change and overall, i think there are some good developments here. I'm sure the car will be amazing. I have a bigger issue with how Porsche market it.
Yeah, I watched the LA launch video... Agree Andy, the shpeel was .... how should I say this in a very articulate, technically astute way.... bloody boring as canary shit! Get Chris Harris out there, yes! Or maybe Maria Sharapova...?
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Looking at that vid it seems to me that they really are trying to appeal to a different demo, won’t be surprised if they get-former gt3 owner Caitlin Jenner to do the forthcoming gt3 adds.
Its about time they offered a little more variety in the wheel and calipers ..........I saw a couple of the test cars with silver calipers and the Porsche logo color in the matching body color and thought it was a sharp look ...
I cannot get over how such a small increase in the front and a 10 mm ride height reduction makes the front end look so much longer and the cabin seem more towards the rear. Just look at the silver one in the promotional photo above ^^^^
Pretty much what I expected. Nice but maybe as I get older the classic lines and shape continues to grow.
only thing I don’t like is the continued size increase. Longer and wider again than the 991 building. Smaller one may be an unexpected delight?
Yes, true...but I am a little surprised that PSCBs do not appear to be an option. I was pretty confident that they would bring these brakes to the 992 as a halfway house from the iron brakes to the PCCBs.
The 3/4 shots from the rear make it look like there is something missing - or is that just me? Forget the aesthetics for a second, it just seems like its too flat or something? I'll have to check what the 991 looks like from that angle when I get home.
As suspected with all the camo off it, I like the overall package, the interior is really nice but there is definitely a few areas of detail I am not mad about, such as the rear end light strip and the front end panel lines, also no NB is kind of shit...
So if the 911 had turned into the Cayman GT4 instead of the 991, what would people hate more? The loss of rear seats and change to mid engine? Or the rear engine and rear seats kept, but bloaters are continued ad infinitum?
Personally I would be less disappointed about going mid engined but staying smaller as opposed to becoming longer and wider with every new version.
I like it, the interior is awesome the body is curvaceous, a rather lovely evolution of the 911 shape and those door handles are just perfect. The rear is bold and makes a real statement also.
Reading some of the earlier dialog regarding people wanting to see Harris ring the 911'S neck in the marketing promo, this is not that 911, the Carrera and CarreraS versions are sports cars for the road with the ability to track if you want to. That marketing has always been held for the GT/RS Cars, it has always been the case its like a good song you start out at a level then slowly build to the chorus, with the 911 that ends with none other than the GT2RS.
Change is natural it adds to the memories and allows us to savour our generation or generations of choice.
They should do away with the shifter altogether ala Mercedes. That thing looks ridiculous. Switch gear looks really nice, and like the new screen + overall dash feel. Another shot I saw of the seats had a very Audi RS 5-8yrs ago feel. Bulky.
Scott, you make good points... ok, Im starting to agree with you looking at it again... deep breaths phil.
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But the door handles ? Yeah, nah, maybe.... ok, I guess they gotta move forward too but do they have to show them off in the first 30 secs... Its like THE big thing.
The reason it looks like a 350 is because the 240 was a 911 copy without the low front and the chopped off back.
The 350 was an evolution of the 240 design language and now the 911 has evolved to have a high front and high back, so they are converging.
It needs to get down low and stop with the comedy sized wheels. The engine is in the back so why the big bluff front? To look like a panamera?
The hyooge wheels make it look like a kid's toy. But that appeals to the major markets for the 911.
As the 911 evolves it appears that more & more gets stuffed up its arse. Where will it end?
Ok, after a few weeks of settling in....I’ve decided there are still 2things I hate about the 992. Most other things I’ve gotten used to, so I’m ok with.... but these 2 still stick in my craw:
1) the third brake light - the 2vertical bars in the decklid. It may be integrated by design with decklid grate but it just looks silly.
2) this is hard to explain but at the front they’ve made all the lower apron all black (no duco coloured vertical bits connecting upper to lower lip) and therefore it gives the overall look like a wide mouthed frog. That is the upper section (looks like) it’s no longer connected to the front lip of the spoiler. It looks like a wide opening right across.... am I making sense. Anyway, don’t like this!
