Thoughts on 992 Turbo S - Page 3 - 911/Carrera GT - PistonHeads UK

Hi all, I'm currently looking for another 911. Previously owned 997.1 GT3, 997.2 Turbo, 991.2 GTS, 992.1 C2S. I had been thinking about a 991.2 GT3 and doing some track days but in reality this probably won't happen very often with a young family. I'm now considering a 992 Turbo S as they are about the same money and I can get the kids in it. I'm thinking I could do the odd track day still but have a car I can use year round. What are peoples ownership experiences? I didn't really bond with the 992 C2S but various reviews say the Turbo S is much better. Also, there seem to be hardly any for sale on the Porsche Approved used list now. Where have they all gone? I'm sure there was a glut of them at some point in the past? Thanks

Obvious first question would be what didn't you like about the 992 you had already ?

Well I bought one of them ( turbo s cab). Lovely car. Well specified. 18 way seats are comfortable ( I run comfort tyre pressures ). Blisteringly quick. Clearly you can't use the top speed but the acceleration is fun / frightening depending on your point of view. Sounds better than a 992 base which I had before. It is a better looking car with the spoiler and side vents. What would you like to know ? Edited by Jeremy-75qq8 on Tuesday 10th December 20:20

Personally I’d still buy a 991.2 GT3 and ask RPM to fit rear seats and belt. If turbo I’d also go for a high spec unmolested 991.2 turbo s from an OPC or reputable Porsche indy. Couldn’t gel with a 992 myself on so many levels. All the modern tech , pings, bells , whistles leaves me a bit cold. Try both. If a 991.2 turbo s exclusive series turns up that’s the turbo to have.

I agree with Jeremy. I have a 24MY Turbo S cab. I don’t have lane assist/blind spot etc so the only thing I have to turn off (via the diamond) button is start/stop. So, no annoying bongs etc (at least no more than a 991). 992 tech is good from my perspective - good mix of screen/physical controls. I do have adaptive cruise which I use and works well. Quieter and more compliant than the GTS and GT3 I drove and, as I haven’t tracked it (and don’t really intend to) all the online stuff about track performance etc is irrelevant to me. Its capabilities far exceed mine and it’s a great daily driver for road use. Sport exhaust is better sounding than I’d expected. Goes like a scalded cat It’s not ‘quiet’ but certainly is quieter than a 992 GTS or GT3 (and the new Aston Vantage) if that’s important to you Oh, and now I have wheels that won’t fall off!

I have gone through a similar car history as the OP. For many years I had a 997.1 GT3 - tracked it, plenty of road trips, loved that car. Then we had children (3) and I found I wasn't using it much. I then had a 991.2 GTS Targa for a couple of years. That saw plenty of use, as there was space for two full size child seats in the back (just), but it didn't get used on track, and I didn't drive it 'roof down' as much as I anticipated. The GTS was sold (I had the opportunity to sell for what I paid for it). After a brief Porsche hiatus, I was keen to get back into a 911 earlier this year. My brief sounds very similar to yours - space for the children, meaning I can share the fun, and importantly - use the car much more. Makes the school run more of an event. Special enough to look forward to each drive, but (relative to other options at this price point) fairly low key. Something I could take to the track a few times a year, a few road trips with friends, and Sunday morning drives. I spent much of the last year procrastinating and, like you, narrowed my choices down to (i) a 991.2 GT3 with a rear seat conversion (ii) a 992 GTS or (iii) 992 Turbo S. I tried out all three, but decided that going for a car that is under extended warranty and 'fully OEM' was right for my anticipated usage. I picked up a 992 Turbo S earlier this autumn, and am delighted with my choice. Two backless boosters in the rear for the children and have another booster up front, if the third is riding along too. It has already been to the track, and was great fun. This was perhaps a little surprising after my 997 GT3 days, but still very much feels like a 911, and sounds really rather good - especially in the upper rev-band, and goes without saying that it's very fast, without feeling sterile. I'm using it regularly - not quite on a daily basis, but any excuse (including the school run this morning, and shuttling between activities and excursions on the weekend). For my stage of life, it's a great fit. Only downside is a cabin rattle, which is getting sorted under warranty next week. Other good points - I like the modern tech, and I like the 992 cabin design. Sounds good, and without the sport exhaust activated, in 'normal' mode, it's not shouty at all, and perfectly pleasant to cruise around in. Turn on the sport exhaust, or pop it in sport mode, and sounds really purposeful. Hope that helps!

This summer I did trips to continental Europe in 991.2 Touring and 992 turbo S and enjoyed them equally, which I think reflects well on the turbo S. Specific points of difference. The matrix lights on the turbo S are noticeably better than the PDLS on the Touring. PCM6 is not to my taste. I prefer PCM4 for navigation with its ability to input coordinates. I have also had Android Auto retrofitted albeit not wireless. Folding buckets in the Touring are my preferred seat, but the 18way in turbo S are reasonably comfortable for long days. 991 is a smaller neater looking car which the absence of a fix wing improves. Turbo S has immense performance and better fuel consumption viz the Touring.

Cabin rattle is not great and given the price of the car simply not acceptable. I have been on a rattle crusade. Sound proofing in doors ( unexpected radical increase in bass ) and under rear seats and the rear " wall " of the cab behind rear seats which was a rattle box. Yesterday - front tweeters rattle ( hit the dash or speaker grill and hear it). Solved - footwell panel with 12v socket. Solved - seatbelt covers where the front belts emerge. Solved - lift up wind blind when in down position - solved - battery cover panel under bonnet ( dealer said they were a good place to start for apparent dash rattles - solved. - rear side panels. Rattle on the passenger side at the top. Solved. I have an intermittent drivers seat squeak left ( not had it for a while to be fair ) and anything else I find on my next " test drive ". Will also sound proof the rear arches next week. Porsche need to try harder !

992 seem terrible for rattles/build quality of cabin. Having said that the 991 are much older these days and rattles will have developed so not immune. My 991 TS has plenty of rattles. While I cannot comment on 992 vs 991GT3 , I have a GT4 and the TS and they are very different for different uses. The steering feel is way ahead in the GT and you’re plugged in to the action much more. However saying this the turbo is a much better steer than say a straight C2 and not as harsh as a GTS imo. I really like it and I get to use it every day. I question if I really need the GT car as the turbo so 90% of the fun factor (in a different way).

bosshog said: 992 seem terrible for rattles/build quality of cabin. Having said that the 991 are much older these days and rattles will have developed so not immune. My 991 TS has plenty of rattles. While I cannot comment on 992 vs 991GT3 , I have a GT4 and the TS and they are very different for different uses. The steering feel is way ahead in the GT and you’re plugged in to the action much more. However saying this the turbo is a much better steer than say a straight C2 and not as harsh as a GTS imo. I really like it and I get to use it every day. I question if I really need the GT car as the turbo so 90% of the fun factor (in a different way). Agree with this. Having owned every iteration of 911 since my first, that being a 996 Gt2 in 2005 the build quality of the 992, especially Cab is shocking. Both of the Turbo S that I owned had multiple visits into Porsche to rectify the rattles only for most of them to appear a couple of weeks later. Asides from that it’s a cracking piece of kit, the rattles were the only issues over 2.5 years and 30k miles of daily use.

I have done 21.000 km in my 992 GT3 Touring and use it as my everyday car - sort of. The biggest issue as an everyday car is the cabin / road noise. It is very loud - especially if you go fast on the German Autobahn. Secondly if you need the rear for luggage, the access to the rear space is compromised by the bucket seats not folding. I track my car and for this I wouldn’t change it for anything else but if that is not on your agenda, I would go for a turbo or GTS as a daily. Also, I always drive it in “Sport” as the “Normal” mode produces a dreadful resonance in the cabin - and the “Stop/Start” which is a pain.

What about thoughts on this one.... https://www.elferspot.com/en/car/porsche-992-turbo...

WTAF? MY EYES

I like the spec sheet: "– Interior: Full leather, different color" It's different, all right.

Oh dear. I actually think it looks amazing on the outside! I could not live with the inside though!

Exystenshalist said: Oh dear. I actually think it looks amazing on the outside! I could not live with the inside though! That's one way of putting it "Penelope Pitstop Spec" Edited by throt on Tuesday 24th March 10:59

Jones the cat said: What about thoughts on this one.... I'd rather catch the bus.

Sweet baby Jesus……just no!

https://youtu.be/Y071Q95k-Wg?feature=shared 750 bhp on the dyno .

franki68 said: https://youtu.be/Y071Q95k-Wg?feature=shared 750 bhp on the dyno . https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1181998189924516 725 hp on Rotronics chassis dyno, likely 711PS as Porsche quote on fully loaded engine dyno

TB993tt said: https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1181998189924516 725 hp on Rotronics chassis dyno, likely 711PS as Porsche quote on fully loaded engine dyno Like it matters tbh , still make you feel sick when you press the throttle .

franki68 said: , still make you feel sick when you press the throttle . I know what you mean with the 992.1 tts feeling like this, once you get past the lagg stage around 3.7krpm it does feel like this. But with the 992.2 tts there is no lag the power delivery feels very fast but also very linear from zero rpm all the way to the redline.

APOLO1 said: I know what you mean with the 992.1 tts feeling like this, once you get past the lagg stage around 3.7krpm it does feel like this. But with the 992.2 tts there is no lag the power delivery feels very fast but also very linear from zero rpm all the way to the redline. It’s very tempting as my next car but I’m struggling with do I need that performance over say a gts ?

franki68 said: It s very tempting as my next car but I m struggling with do I need that performance over say a gts ? I thought the same, I did 15k miles in 2 x GTS Hybrids Cabs over 16 months that i thought were brilliant cars, in particular the 2WD one was so much fun to drive. Can the new Turbo S really be that much better? So far in my 3k miles, it is and not just the performance as in 0 -60 in 2.02, but the ride quality, steering feel feedback and body control etc. All are a big step up over the GTS,

Looking at these, what are the must have options?

andymc said: Looking at these, what are the must have options? Lift is a must have, and so is radar cruise if you frequent motorways a lot. This new tts has instant power its very easy to go over the limits. The rest are all down to personal preference, imo. Dont fear the -10mm option it rides absolutely fine with this option and it improves the stance imv.

Fully agree ,Front Axle Lift, -10mm suspension and average cruise control are a must. Have all of these on my 992 4 GTS

You can live without lift with the regular suspension height, unless, you know you’re going to encounter very steep access at some point. I’ve not had lift on either turbo and no issues encountered including several jaunts into Europe. Front nose has rubber/silicon aero, and whilst not ideal, worst case that’s going to get a scuff. I think you’d do really well to pile into the actual bumper.

Jon_Brown91 said: Fully agree ,Front Axle Lift, -10mm suspension and average cruise control are a must. Have all of these on my 992 4 GTS I forgot to spec lift on my 992.2 4 GTS Cab, this was the result. It was worse than this by the time it went back in for a 2WD one. Was not going to make the same mistake on my 992.2 Turbo S, lift is a must for UK roads, based on my experience,

APOLO1 said: I thought the same, I did 15k miles in 2 x GTS Hybrids Cabs over 16 months that i thought were brilliant cars, in particular the 2WD one was so much fun to drive. Can the new Turbo S really be that much better? So far in my 3k miles, it is and not just the performance as in 0 -60 in 2.02, but the ride quality, steering feel feedback and body control etc. All are a big step up over the GTS, Interesting on ride quality , I had a 991.2gts and thought that ride was poor for what is meant to be a road car .

franki68 said: Interesting on ride quality , I had a 991.2gts and thought that ride was poor for what is meant to be a road car . TBF, the damper tech has moved on a lot over on the 992s from the 991s. This new 992.2 Turbo S even with the -10mm option rides like a Cayenne on Air suspension, the ride quality is that good, with the body control response of a 992.2 GT3 Touring.

The sport design pack seems rare?

APOLO1 said: So far in my 3k miles, it is and not just the performance as in 0 -60 in 2.02, but the ride quality, steering feel feedback and body control etc. All are a big step up over the GTS, Thanks all good to know, I was hoping the ride wasn't RS hard.

APOLO1 said: TBF, the damper tech has moved on a lot over on the 992s from the 991s. This new 992.2 Turbo S even with the -10mm option rides like a Cayenne on Air suspension, the ride quality is that good, with the body control response of a 992.2 GT3 Touring. I have a July 2023 911 4 GTS cab (-10mm delete (deliberately spec'd to improve the ride for UK roads) and a Jul 2024 Cayenne S-E Hybrid (Air). Imo, quite obviously from their respective designs and purpose, the ride quality and ability to handle UK roads is significantly different between them both and the air Cayenne is far more pleasant to cruise at speed and also handle our poorly constructed and maintained roads. Driving the 911 I find myself often perched up scanning for pot holes. As a side I also worked and lived in Germany for 4 years and drove both cars there - at very high autobahn speeds the Cayenne felt safer and much more composed. Furthermore, last night in a large city car park with the Cayenne it had several speed bumps which I took very carefully in the Cayenne, with my 911 (which has FAL) I would have been on edge. However, the 911 is still the most special car I have ever owned and provides a special tingle on entering! The Cayenne is very good, but just a large SUV with a better badge than many others.

DC1960 said: I have a July 2023 911 4 GTS cab (-10mm delete (deliberately spec'd to improve the ride for UK roads) and a Jul 2024 Cayenne S-E Hybrid (Air). Imo, quite obviously from their respective designs and purpose, the ride quality and ability to handle UK roads is significantly different between them both and the air Cayenne is far more pleasant to cruise at speed and also handle our poorly constructed and maintained roads. Driving the 911 I find myself often perched up scanning for pot holes. As a side I also worked and lived in Germany for 4 years and drove both cars there - at very high autobahn speeds the Cayenne felt safer and much more composed. Furthermore, last night in a large city car park with the Cayenne it had several speed bumps which I took very carefully in the Cayenne, with my 911 (which has FAL) I would have been on edge. However, the 911 is still the most special car I have ever owned and provides a special tingle on entering! The Cayenne is very good, but just a large SUV with a better badge than many others. I also had a July 23 build 992.1 GTS CAB in 2WD that i ran for 20k miles over 18 months, I made the mistake of adding the -10mm which was just to uncomfortable on all but the very smooth road surfaces. My reference above to the ride compliance quality in normal mode being like my Cayenne on its air suspension, was based on the current 992.2 Turbo S, when driven back to back there is almost zero difference in ride quality, It really is that good even with the -10mm option. Edited by APOLO1 on Sunday 17th May 08:48

andymc said: The sport design pack seems rare? I've specked that, the rear spoiler looks better imv, also there is a vertical aero system on the front bumper at each end as you can see on my spec PTS car.

really suits the car

Some great feedback on here. I had both a 991.1 and .2 GTS, a 992C4S and 992.1 Turbo S and now a 992.1 GT3. I am shocked at everyone saying you need front lift on Turbo S. That was certainly not my experience and I had the (frankly must have) -10mm. The front of a Turbo S is higher than most 992s because of the air dam. If you are grounding that out then I’m not sure even front lift will help you… I loved my Turbo S, but I enjoyed my 991.1 GTS more, the 992 was the ultimate fast and comfortable 911 but I wanted a more nuanced, raw experience. That is why I liked the -10mm, it makes the Turbo S (slightly) more hardcore. All this is a very long way of saying, you might find a Turbo S is still missing that something that makes a 911 if you have had GT cars. I can say that for me, the 992 GT3 is the very best of all of them.

super handy feedback / info here

I did end up getting a 22 plate 992 turbo S in february. Enjoying it so far, crazy fast and surprised how well it handles too. Very pleased with it.

Was the sport design pack a popular option on the earlier cars? Struggling to find one with it?

From memory I think it was only available intermittently. I wanted it in late 22 for a March 23 delivery and it just wasn’t available, (but had been earlier).

andymc said: Was the sport design pack a popular option on the earlier cars? Struggling to find one with it? I managed to get it on mine but it was like hens teeth to find.

zeb said: andymc said: Was the sport design pack a popular option on the earlier cars? Struggling to find one with it? I managed to get it on mine but it was like hens teeth to find. Surprised to hear that, the sport pack has a lot more shape to it, but possibly more about cost £5659

RS Guy said: zeb said: andymc said: Was the sport design pack a popular option on the earlier cars? Struggling to find one with it? I managed to get it on mine but it was like hens teeth to find. Surprised to hear that, the sport pack has a lot more shape to it, but possibly more about cost £5659 My current turbo s cab has the aerokit; trying to find one in shark blue with the aero kit was harder than knitting fog...it looks absolutely amazing in the flesh. I now have a July build turbo s cab slot with delivery for Sept 76 plate. I HAD to spec the aerokit on this as the 3 allocations given to the OPC all had to have the aerokit....im fine with that though....as this one is black and i have spec'd the carbon wheels, i have spec'd the areokit to be carbon also. Looking forward to the new one, although the current one is incredibly quick...i came from 6 yrs of McLarens with the last one being a 675LT spider and didnt think it would be possible to get anything that actually felt noticibly quicker... My current turbo s cab is a fantastic car with 20mths OPC warranty remaining and available if anyone is looking for one....

The new Turbo S is a great car, 4 k miles in now. Its not just the performance thats impressive, it was always go to be fast based how good the GTS Hybrid is, but its the steering feel, feedback, ride quality, body control that impress me most. Great car could not be any more happier.