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YOUR RESEARCHShould I buy 40th Anniversary 911?
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I loved my 40th that I bought used from Porsche North Houston.
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I do have a small scratch that I caused myself and just used some touch up paint on it.
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Sorry to be a bother but after purchasing numerous new and used vehicles, I have learned that a prudent customer does not fall in love with any car but must keep the mindset that he is willing to walk away from any deal.
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I recently refinanced my loan to 2.99% and they have to check the value of the car before making the loan, and they use nada.com.
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Sorry to be a bother but after purchasing numerous new and used vehicles, I have learned that a prudent customer does not fall in love with any car but must keep the mindset that he is willing to walk away from any deal.
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I'm still not convinced that they did not know about the issue.
Hi all. After reading some of the n00b posts and the responses, let me state for the record:
I am not a Dr., I am not rich, I did not have a trust fund, I do not own a classic car collection.
Now seriously, I found a 2004 40th at one of the Houston Porsche dealers. Car is 2 owner, dealer service records, passed Porsche Tech inspection, etc. with 30,000 miles. Asking price was $40K. Was told car was in great condition with no issues. I made a tentative deal over phone pending my inspection in person. Had insurance and financing arranged in advance then proceeded to dealer with cashiers check in hand.
As soon as I saw the car I could see that paint work had been done on the right side. I don't mean obvious flaws but there were signs of paint losing adhesion at rocker panel, rubber molding being taped off and some over spray in hidden areas. I have had professional training in looking for altered vehicles for my Police job (investigations and criminal interdiction) so maybe that's why it was obvious to me.
I showed salesman who agreed that something had been done. He apologized and acted surprised that it got by their tech. Long story short, I walked off disappointed. Today salesman assured me via email the car will be sent to Porsche approved paint shop to resolve issues.
You guys think I should not bother and keep looking or realize that no 2004 is going to be perfect? Heres the link to the car.
http://www.porscheofnorthhouston.com...ition_id=10426
I have a 40th AE myself and love it. There are a lot of them for sale over the US - I would pass on one that has had work done if given the choice.
I think my 04 was perfect - not a scratch on it, and the interior still smelled new. I do have a small scratch that I caused myself and just used some touch up paint on it.
Mine had 12K miles on it, with 2 year CPO from the Porsche dealer - this was 2 years ago.
Good luck - you will love the car. Hold out for the "perfect" one.
$40k seems like a lot to me - i guess I am more of a "bottom feeder"
what is it about the 40th that you like and what do you plan to do with the car... the 40ths are "special" and altering them or having things dont incorrectly de-values them a lot in my book...you pretty much need to keep them stock
there are a ton of choices out there for that same money....and if you are picky, (which you should be) that little stuff will haunt you and drive you crazy - get a clean one
that is too bad, but you made the correct choice. keep looking. there are quite a number of examples on the marked today. and if according to you "I am not a Dr., I am not rich, I did not have a trust fund, I do not own a classic car collection." do your homework and you will be rewarded. are you really in a hurry? $0.02
You wouldn't believe the prices that come up on nada.com, edmunds.com, etc. - when I enter my car information, mileage & options it values it at something crazy like $49K retail. I recently refinanced my loan to 2.99% and they have to check the value of the car before making the loan, and they use nada.com.
+1, I agree with ivangene especially about altering the look of it. And to me it needs some altering unless you like the stock look! But like most of the guys have said, you should probably wait until you're sure. When you see the ONE you'll know it. jmo
if you prefer the 996 over the 997 (which you can buy at $40 now). then go for the 40th anniversary.
It has all the gizmo and more power, but beware of the very sporty/harsh suspension (x73) on that model. I have to say that most 996 owner in the forum have actually upgraded their suspension to a firmer ride..
I think if we had the opportunity to pay for it, we all would have taken a 40th anniversary, it is the last of the 996 and certainly the best one.
When I looked for my car i test drove two 40th anniversary but they wanted $10k more than other regular 996. I could not justify the price difference and decided to go for the base 996. I am slowly adding that money into my car with upgrades but I am glad I did it that way as I love to mod
Phil
What do you think of this one? - It's in your part of the country too.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Porsc...item3f0f2d44b3
Another option...looks very nice - almost perfect! 6 hours to get a best offer in - 33-36K.
2004 Porsche 911 40th Anniv Carrera
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Thank you for all the replys. I didn't mention the agreed on purchase price was for less. The sale price was $36,500 +TTL. The NADA was @$48,000 retail and @$40,000 trade-in. I too was surprised at how high the 40th 911 booked for but I also realize no one is going to pay that in this economy.
Would it be appropriate to post the e-mail communication between myself and the dealer concerning the issue with the car so that you guys could render more informed opinions? I'm still not convinced that they did not know about the issue.
I think the thing is YOU know about the issue...and if YOU can live with repairs (heck maybe its all better now) then move forward....
but I will tell you if there are any flaws in that painted area, every single time you wash it, wax it..dry it, polish it take a picture of it you will see the blemish and it will bug the heck out of you -
UNLESS it is repaired so well you cannot tell
and FWIW I spend over $5k fixing the front paint area on my 996 because it was repainted and drove me nuts...when done it was perfect (except the roof!)
The 40 AE is a special car IMO but like many have said, there are quite a few of them available. Patience will pay off in this case.
Good luck finding the right car for you!
My 40th AE is my first 911 so I don't have anything to compare to but I absolutely love her. I got her at the end of June when she had just under 13,000 miles on the clock with a 2 year CPO warranty. No regrets at all, I really recommend it.
I'm probably in the same boat as you. Not a doctor or independently wealthy. I've wanted a 911 since I was 12 so I have been working my way up slowly. As has been said, just be patient, the right deal for you will appear! :-)
Same boat as you and Sax Maniac. First 911 and not doc or independently wealthy as well. Wanted one since my dad had a 914 when I was young and fell love with porches then. Got my AE for a little more than 36K back in June from a private party. Had 15K miles on the clock with a new engine (ims failure) about 3-4K on it. The engine is still covered under p warranty for a bit and I love that car. Took about month till I found the one I wanted. Be patient, do your due diligence and one will turn up.
I loved my 40th that I bought used from Porsche North Houston. FYI mine also had paint repair to the passenger rear quarter panel that they did not disclose. Might be a pattern there???
I found out about it when I went to sell it. I got $29k for with just under 70k miles.
Im really starting to wonder about this dealers tactics. Heres what happened in the email after the trip to dealer.
Me to them:
Tino,
After thinking about this and talking it over with my wife, I have a few questions for you. Firstly, I was very disappointed in the outcome of our tentative deal on the 911 knowing the reputation of Porsche and after hearing your assurance the vehicle would be as described. My expectations were high knowing the car was being offered for sale at a Porsche dealership. That is why I asked so many specific questions before I made the trip as to not waste my time or yours. Granted, you probably were not expecting a customer that had received formal training in looking for paint, body work, over-spray, or tool marks on vehicles, I still have reservations on how a trained Porsche technician could have missed what we both saw. I'm not accusing you or the dealership of knowing about the paint but it took me all of 30 seconds to see it when I approached the right side. Secondly, after discovering the flaws, is your dealership obligated to repair it or just simply disclose it to the next customer?
My questions are, would your manager consider any other option that does not increase the cost to me that would be mutually beneficial? I know a repaint of that side would be extremely costly and I'm not sure if you want to invest more money into the car. What is the chance of having a quality paint technician give an opinion? As we have no idea when this work was done, my concern is that the paint may continue to lose adhesion as it has done so in the lower area near the side skirting. I don't know if I would be willing to take that chance but I might consider a discount on the price that we had previously agreed on. Lastly, I would consider that if a customer had the side repainted and did not disclose it to you before you bought it, what else would he be hiding?
I would still be willing to consider purchasing the vehicle with two conditions. A price concession commensurate with what an estimated repair / repaint / touchup, of the noted areas, or possibly the $1800 applied to the price you offered on the warranty. A thorough inspection done by myself on a hoist (if possible) with your inspecting technician present of course. Sorry to be a bother but after purchasing numerous new and used vehicles, I have learned that a prudent customer does not fall in love with any car but must keep the mindset that he is willing to walk away from any deal. Thank you for your time and consideration. Please call me any time.
Their reply:
Keith,
Please once again accept my sincere apologies for the outcome of your trip to our dealership. I again share with you that there was sincerely no malicious intent on our part but rather an innocent oversight on the part of our technicians and although I understand out of your frustration it may be difficult to believe, but human errors do occur, even at a Porsche dealer. Please know that we are not happy when mistakes occur, however we are humble enough to admit them and make every effort to correct them and move forward with the integrity of a lesson learned. I understand completely your decision to walk away from the deal. I probably would have done the same especially when there are other vehicles in the market.
Our plan of action for this vehicle is to have our factory approved body shop perform the repainting of damaged panels to meet Porsche pre-owned quality standards. At this point we are not inclined to moving forward with anyone on a deal until we know the cost of repair. If once the repairs have been preformed and we deem it mutually beneficial to move forward with you on a deal at our agreed upon sales price we will be in contact with you.
Kind regards,
Tino Minetos
They now relisted the car with this disclaimer:
"Disclosure: There is cosmetic repaint of the passenger door, passenger rear quarter panel, and passenger front fender"
Guess I should just write this one off? Sure hate to think Porsche is just like every other dealer out there.
What tactics? Dealers sell cars, no? Sounds as though you're implying they are purposefully trying to "pull one over" on you which is a bit of a "tactical" internet blast, no?
You should look for a car from a PCA concours enthusiast instead.
Porsche North will use Rapid Body Works in Spring. They do very good work and are Porsche certified body shop.
If you like the car. Tell Tino you will wait for word back from the body shop.
Look at earlier post:
They now relisted the car with this disclaimer:
"Disclosure: There is cosmetic repaint of the passenger door, passenger rear quarter panel, and passenger front fender"
Thats what puzzles me about this dealer. He said they would pull from market and fix but there it is relisted with same problem. At least they are telling potentional customers now.
What I was mostly bothered with was my wasted time, credit inquiries, all for nothing. Then they relist the car with the same problem. I think you were guys were right. DONT BUY FROM A DEALER!
Well, they're under no obligation to sell you this car. There will be many many other people who would probably buy this car.
Most people buying Porsche's aren't necessarily on this forum.
Porsche with body damage cannot be "Porsche" certified pre owned.
The dealer can call the car CPO, and sell you a warranty,but the warranty will only apply at that dealership.
Repairs won't be honored at other dealerships as it is not "Porsche" CPO
I don't think so. That would be fraud.
If the car is listed as having a CPO warranty the warranty has to apply at any Porsche dealer. There is no fine print in the warranty paperwork that limits the coverage to the originating dealer.
Sincerely,
Macster.
From KrazyK's other post on IMS
"I was offered a Porsche backed 2 year / 24,000 mile warranty for $1800 on the 2004 911 AE (
30,000 miles) I was looking at but now I'm scared to proceed any further. I don't see how I can risk dropping that kind of money on this car then just waiting for it to frag. Would IMS failure even be covered? "
Some dealers here mostly BMW "dealer certify" their cars, but call them Certified Pre Owned.
What I'm trying to say is beware of the fine print in who is the certifier and what and where does it cover.
Damaged cars are not knowingly certified by Porsche as Porsche CPO.
Isn't the AE out of the CPO warranty window also?
What kind of warranty was this dealer trying to sell the OP? For $1800
The warranty was $3600. They agreed to pay half because of the trouble this caused me. Apparently they had to get some kind of special permission to get the 2004 covered but it only had 30,000 miles anyway. The paint on the right side rocker panel was peeling due to poor adhesion / poor prep work. No one there knows why the work was done or who did it.
In 2008 the car was sold to a customer who was in the Houston area for work. He then sold the car back to dealer before he went back home overseas. Yes, I know makes it impossible to contact the previous owner. Before that, the car was bought in a Florida auction by Houston Porsche. (The dealer didnt mention this)
Honestly I think they are going to have trouble selling this car to a careful buyer. Too many unanswered questions. Luckily I read the 911 buyers guide before I made the trip to get it.
There seems to be plenty of low mileage, nice examples around. My #335 has been with me for almost 3 years and I've been really happy with it. Purchased with 8,900 miles in perfect condition. No problems and drives wonderfully. Just returned from Rennsport IV and about 1,000 mile round trip. I now have a whopping 15,000 miles on it! Everyone notices the 40th even though there seems to be several around at various CA Porsche events. The Anniversary package makes it a great performer. Lots of pep, handles great, and gets noticed. Keep looking for the right one and be patient.
I was almost in love with this car and had all details worked out including warranty, insurance, and financing of only 3.09% for 72 months. I really hated to back out but I just couldnt buy it with the side repaint for unknown reasons. Even though its a 40th AE, I think they are going to have trouble selling this car since they now disclose the repaint issue to potential buyers. The 40th is a great package so Im really bummed. I guess Im still looking but disappointed with the 996 problems. Might hold out for a 997.
Gonna guess that since this thread was from 2011 that the subject car has been sold. Maybe multiple times. WTF is it with the necro threads lately???
And don't worry, I think it's a safe bet that KK will never buy another 996. Though he won't shut up about them and move on with his life
Can you imagine trying to sell KK a car? He should come with a warning label. For the life of me, though, I cannot figure out why he insists on playing in here when he could have so much more fun in the 996tt forum.
Yeah, it was pretty funny to read his early posts. So different in style and tone from his current ones. Anyway, KK is OK in my book, even if he bashes the 996 all the time. I think he just enjoys the fun of it all.
Here's something kinda funny: I found this forum a week or two after buying my car. KK made a post commenting on what precautions to take when driving the car on a 350 mile trip. I remember thinking to myself "holy crap... I need to be worried about a 350 mile trip?"
The saga with this car went on for awhile. It took them a really long time to move it and I don't know if it was auctioned or unloaded on some poor unsuspecting customer. They would pull it, then relist it. Crooks IMHO. Anyone know where its at?
Actually I was probably giving him too much credit there. That is actually a high quality watch even if a bit convoluted to most people. This is probably more KK's style:
