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Oh dear, what's this all about http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...

d16rr said: Oh dear, what's this all about http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p... Like it very well written and that's not a track in the 2nd picture either haha

langdale said: Like it very well written and that's not a track in the 2nd picture either haha Does it cost to advertise on ph ? Maybe some dumbass will bite lolz !

Garaged but only comes out for trackdays that it doesn't do !!!

Oh ! and willing to "Part exchange:Straight (in terms of condition and financial)! 997 GT2/GT2RS"

Its a staggering suggested price for a stock, vanilla , 996.2 GT3. More than a 997.1 GT3RS and a 997.2 GT3 from a dealer Speculative attempt to cash in on the bubble. Doomed surely to abject failure. That car even in this market is £55k tops.

That is so bad, you would think it was a wind up!

Never tracked.. excellent..

Even if this is a wind up ( which I hope ), it doesnt help people like me who are looking at buying a car at the moment, just confuses real sellers or stops them marketing them to see what happens to prices.

Dblue said: Its a staggering suggested price for a stock, vanilla , 996.2 GT3. More than a 997.1 GT3RS and a 997.2 GT3 from a dealer Speculative attempt to cash in on the bubble. Doomed surely to abject failure. That car even in this market is £55k tops. Surely even that is a little optimistic - 55,000 English pounds !!???!!! Crikey I might sell mine for that. This is getting silly. Pip

Dblue said: Its a staggering suggested price for a stock, vanilla , 996.2 GT3. More than a 997.1 GT3RS and a 997.2 GT3 from a dealer Speculative attempt to cash in on the bubble. Doomed surely to abject failure. That car even in this market is £55k tops. wouldnt the same be said with the 964RS though, once at 26k(?) now 250k(?)

lemmingjames said: Dblue said: Its a staggering suggested price for a stock, vanilla , 996.2 GT3. More than a 997.1 GT3RS and a 997.2 GT3 from a dealer Speculative attempt to cash in on the bubble. Doomed surely to abject failure. That car even in this market is £55k tops. wouldnt the same be said with the 964RS though, once at 26k(?) now 250k(?) Its a fair point but the 996.2 GT3 is not the RS, its not the original GT3 either which has a certain cachet. The car is marginally more analogue than the 997 (And not as good a car either) but its effectively the same car as those others , even the 96RS. the 964RS. is a unique 964.

50/55 is reasonsable

Dblue said: Its a fair point but the 996.2 GT3 is not the RS, its not the original GT3 either which has a certain cachet. The car is marginally more analogue than the 997 (And not as good a car either) but its effectively the same car as those others , even the 96RS. the 964RS. is a unique 964. there are lots of very different parts on the 996 RS which is what makes it a very different car to own. That said I think the 996 C/S is an awesome car to own. Porsche will never make a car like the 996 RS again

I assume he'd be willing to pay 100k to px against a GT2.

langdale said: Dblue said: Its a fair point but the 996.2 GT3 is not the RS, its not the original GT3 either which has a certain cachet. The car is marginally more analogue than the 997 (And not as good a car either) but its effectively the same car as those others , even the 96RS. the 964RS. is a unique 964. there are lots of very different parts on the 996 RS which is what makes it a very different car to own. That said I think the 996 C/S is an awesome car to own. Porsche will never make a car like the 996 RS again I'm not sure thats really true. Yes there are quite a few unique parts , especially in the suspension but it runs the same engine and its fundamentally a 996 GT3 , as is this car and the Mark 1. There's potential for the 96RS to go stratospheric but its not sufficiently different to other GT3s to have the rarity value of the earlier RSs , IMHO.

Dblue said: I'm not sure thats really true. Yes there are quite a few unique parts , especially in the suspension but it runs the same engine and its fundamentally a 996 GT3 , as is this car and the Mark 1. There's potential for the 96RS to go stratospheric but its not sufficiently different to other GT3s to have the rarity value of the earlier RSs , IMHO. No mate its one of the rarest RS's. Just 140 RHD ever made of a total of 683 cars Globally which includes cars kept by the factory. The body parts are also different to the regular gt3 such as carbon bonnet and obviously the rear spoiler. I still love the aircooled cars too

Is this a real ad or a joke? That's the first question I cannot believe a 996GT3 is worth more than £55k (even given the current daft market) and I have one so there's a vested interest....... Interesting point though - if pistonheads was the only place to advertise your GT3, you would be struggling to buy one 'cos other than this £80k example there are no other ones for sale!! So do the laws of supply and demand dictate that they are worth big prices - I use the term 'worth' very loosely by the way.....

Ps - I should have added that if they are 'worth' £80k then supply is going to double 'cos mine will be up for sale tonight

Shep911 said: Is this a real ad or a joke? That's the first question I cannot believe a 996GT3 is worth more than £55k (even given the current daft market) and I have one so there's a vested interest....... Interesting point though - if pistonheads was the only place to advertise your GT3, you would be struggling to buy one 'cos other than this £80k example there are no other ones for sale!! So do the laws of supply and demand dictate that they are worth big prices - I use the term 'worth' very loosely by the way..... Theres none on autotrader either. Everyone thought pistolp wa mas spending 100k on a green 7.1rs (which makes it more than a.2'3 etc) but then someone apparently was offered 150k for the 189k green rs... Are some of the air cooleds worth what they go for? You only have to read the other threads for the general consensus is not 😕

I'm in no way suggesting that the values should be comparable (before I am lampooned) but there are actually several 964RS' for sale at the moment in comparison to the 1 (overpriced) 996 GT3.......

langdale said: Dblue said: I'm not sure thats really true. Yes there are quite a few unique parts , especially in the suspension but it runs the same engine and its fundamentally a 996 GT3 , as is this car and the Mark 1. There's potential for the 96RS to go stratospheric but its not sufficiently different to other GT3s to have the rarity value of the earlier RSs , IMHO. No mate its one of the rarest RS's. Just 140 RHD ever made of a total of 683 cars Globally which includes cars kept by the factory. The body parts are also different to the regular gt3 such as carbon bonnet and obviously the rear spoiler. I still love the aircooled cars too It has a carbon bonnet and wing and a lexan screen, different pick ups on the suspension. But that's about your lot. Engine - the same, wheels and brakes - the same (Painted a different colour.) Rack, box, - the same. The body is just about identical (Not completely ) but its less "different" to the vanilla GT3 than the 3.8 RS Gen 2 is for example. The fact is its very much the same car as the regular GT3. 140 RHD Cars is almost exactly the same number as the 997 RS of each generation too. Its been talked up constantly for a fair few years now but whilst I love em its not done it yet. Even in this crazy market they are doing well but not so out of line with other GT3s.

rallyeman said: 50/55 is reasonsable You've forgot to put 'lol' after your post!! Guessing your a 996.2 gt3 owner talking prices up! It's worth no MORE than 48k and at 48k it would have to be MINT! Anyway good luck to the owner, he's gonna need it!

Dblue said: It has a carbon bonnet and wing and a lexan screen, different pick ups on the suspension. But that's about your lot. Engine - the same, wheels and brakes - the same (Painted a different colour.) Rack, box, - the same. The body is just about identical (Not completely ) but its less "different" to the vanilla GT3 than the 3.8 RS Gen 2 is for example. The fact is its very much the same car as the regular GT3. 140 RHD Cars is almost exactly the same number as the 997 RS of each generation too. Its been talked up constantly for a fair few years now but whilst I love em its not done it yet. Even in this crazy market they are doing well but not so out of line with other GT3s. Well some have gone from 60-100k very quickly but for a second lets forget values. Your point about them not being as rare as 964's was incorrect as 964 varients are over 2000 cars. 964's have followed 2.7 and 993 RS's in terms of being collectable as have 996 cars with with 997. PS don't forget the RS flywheel which changes the characteristics of the car. I think the regular gt3 is a great buy at current levels and values of the GT3 models were held lower for a period of time due to the non mezger 996 engine issues but people have woken to how great to drive these cars are. One of Walters all time favourite 911's was the RS. Good enough for me :-)

thegoat46 said: rallyeman said: 50/55 is reasonsable You've forgot to put 'lol' after your post!! Guessing your a 996.2 gt3 owner talking prices up! It's worth no MORE than 48k and at 48k it would have to be MINT! Anyway good luck to the owner, he's gonna need it! Lol! Yes, a 996.2 GT3 owner, but if a buyer really wants a GT3...... So I think 50/55.

Yes but his actual favourite is the Mk1, which in CS guise also has the single mass flywheel. Only 28 uk cars too so rarer than any other GT3 variant on these shores, RS' included. I'm half jesting by the way but £55k is too much for a mk2 comfort. We will see if it sells though.

rallyeman said: Lol! Yes, a 996.2 GT3 owner, but if a buyer really wants a GT3...... So I think 50/55. 50/55 is the percentage he has of getting 48k! Lol Just had a good luck at the ad and I'm sure a few will agree it should be advertised at 46k, that sounds realistic! God loves a tryer tho

thegoat46 said: rallyeman said: 50/55 is reasonsable You've forgot to put 'lol' after your post!! Guessing your a 996.2 gt3 owner talking prices up! It's worth no MORE than 48k and at 48k it would have to be MINT! Anyway good luck to the owner, he's gonna need it! 1. I am am owner and therefore will be perceived as biased. 2. I agree with Rallyeman 3. Why not? To date they do not get any worse...i.e. I do not see a dilapidating shed of a car. Almost all are pampered, very well looked after. Especially if used for track use - more maintenance £ spent on them. And the number of credible alternatives are low...and all asset prices are on the up 4. I do not welcome a silly price rise because then I will have to garage it and drive a 106 Rallye around for thrills.

This is a list of 996RS parts found on another forum: 99610097990 ENGINE replacement engine 04 M96.79 M004 99610190195 CRANK CASE Crankcase with studs use also: 000.043.203.73 sealing compound Drei Bond 1209 04- M96.79 M004 4320373 SEAL.COMP. sealing compound 99610201795 PULLEY pulley 04- M96.79 M004 96410223931 FLYWHEEL flywheel 03- M004 96411414331 RING GEAR ring gear 03- M004 93110211100 deep-groove ball bearing 03- M004 92810215101 SCREW pan-head screw 03- M004 99610400294 CYL.HEAD cylinder head, ready for installation M96.79, M004 99610400296 CYL.HEAD cylinder head, ready for installation M96.79, M004 99650598092 Front Bumper cover 99902517402 WASHER Washer, 14 x 1,5 x 40 M004 99902517401 WASHER Washer, 14 x 1,5 x 40 M004 99634111792 SPOILER spoiler /L 04- M004 99634111892 SPOILER spoiler /R 04- M004 99651295994 Spoiler 99651299194 lid 99651298394 plate 99651298494 plate 99634115792 WHEEL SUPP wheel carrier /L 04- M004 99634115892 WHEEL SUPP wheel carrier /R 04- M004 99634132171 SUPPORT support for cable speed sensor /L 04- M004 99634132271 SUPPORT support for cable speed sensor /R 04- M004 99660623591 PROTSHIELD heat protection for speed sensor /L 04- M004 99660623691 PROTSHIELD heat protection for speed sensor /R 04- M004 99634166190 COVER lid 04- M004 99734166190 COVER lid 04- M004 99921704209 HEX.BOLT hexagon-head bolt M 8 X 35 04- M004 99634304197 DAMPER shock absorber, - bilstein - 04- M004 99634353197 coil spring 99634307093 SUSPENSION stabiliser mounting 04- M004 99634780490 ST WHEEL steering wheel decorative stitching red 04- M004 99634780491 ST WHEEL steering wheel decorative stitching blue 04- M004 99633111190 WHEEL SUPP wheel carrier /L 04- M004 99633111290 WHEEL SUPP wheel carrier /R 04- M004 99634112190 TRANSVERSE wishbone /L 04- M004 99634112290 TRANSVERSE wishbone /R 04- M004 90007602502 HEX.NUT hexagon nut M 8 04- M004 99902526902 WASHER Washer 8,5 X 17 X 6 04- M004 99634144190 FLANGE bearing flange wishbone 04- M004 99633155190 SUPPORT support 04- /601 M004 99633105192 SIDE PANEL side section /L 04- M004 99633105292 SIDE PANEL side section /R 04- M004 99633305197 ABSORBER shock absorber - bilstein - 04- M004 99636213608 WHEEL disc wheel 8,5 J X 18 ET 40 wheel spoke red lacquered /V 04- M004/597 99636213609 WHEEL disc wheel 8,5 J X 18 ET 40 wheel spoke blue lacquered /V 04- M004/598 99636214208 WHEEL disc wheel 8,5 J X 18 ET 40 wheel spoke red lacquered /H 04- M004/597 99636214209 WHEEL disc wheel 11 J X 18 ET 63 wheel spoke blue lacquered /H 04- M004/598 99636130392 HUBCAP hub cap red 04- M004/597 99636130394 HUBCAP hub cap blue 04- M004/598 99635180190 COVERPLATE protective plate upper /L 04- M004 99635181390 COVERPLATE protective plate lower /L 04- M004 99635181590 AIR DEFLEC air baffle plate /L 04- M004 99635180290 COVERPLATE protective plate upper 99635181490 COVERPLATE protective plate lower /R 04- M004 99635181690 AIR DEFLEC air baffle plate /R 04- M004 99635280190 COVERPLATE protective plate upper /L 04- M004 99635281390 COVERPLATE protective plate /L 04- M004 99635280290 COVERPLATE protective plate upper /R 04- M004 99635281490 COVERPLATE protective plate /R 04- M004 99635550391 SUPPORT support /L -03 M004 99635550393 SUPPORT support /L 04- M004 99635550390 SUPPORT support /L -03 M004/450 99635550392 SUPPORT support /L 04- M004/450 99642407591 KNOB gearshift **** decorative stitching red 04- M004 99642407592 KNOB gearshift **** decorative stitching blue 04- M004 99642403192 HAND BRAKE parking-brake lever complete decorative stitching red /LL 04- M004 99642403193 HAND BRAKE parking-brake lever complete decorative stitching blue /LL 04-; M004 M004 99651155191 PNEUSPRING gas-pressure spring 04- M004 99651295994 SPOILER spoiler 04- M004 99651298394 PLATE plate /L 04- M004 99651298494 PLATE plate /R 04- M004 99907333400 SCREW round head screw M 6 X 16 04- M004 99654511192 REAR PANE rear window 04- M004 99654552103 FRAME sealing frame 04- M004 99654554501 TRIM FRAME trim frame 04- M004 99673161930 HOUSING Housing door mirror carbon /L 04- M004 99673162030 HOUSING Housing door mirror carbon /R 04- M004 99655923792 LOGO Logo * GT3 RS * guards riviera blue 04 M004/598 99655923793 LOGO Logo * GT3 RS * guards red 04 M004/597 99655933190 FOIL decorative film front guards red /L 04- M004/597 99655933290 FOIL decorative film front guards red /R 04- M004/597 99655933191 FOIL decorative film front riviera blue /L 04- M004/598 99655933291 FOIL decorative film front riviera blue /R 04- M004/598 99655933390 FOIL decorative film lateral guards red 99655933490 FOIL decorative film lateral guards red /R 04- M004/597 99655933391 FOIL decorative film lateral riviera blue /L 04- M004/598 99655933491 FOIL decorative film lateral riviera blue /R 04- M004/598 99655933590 FOIL decorative film rear guards red /L 04- M004/597 99655933690 FOIL decorative film rear guards red /R 04- M004/597 99655933591 FOIL decorative film rear riviera blue /L 04- M004/598 99655933691 FOIL decorative film rear riviera blue /R 04- M004/598 99680303491 SEAT BELT seat belt riviera blue /R 04- IXSZ/M004 99680303391 SEAT BELT seat belt riviera blue /L 04- IXSZ/M004 99658098202 CAGE roll cage 04- M004 99917012990 SPARK PLUG spark plug Y 5DDC 04 M96.79 M004 99651101191 lid 99651155191 gas pressure spring Taken from another forum. Pocty

thegoat46 said: You've forgot to put 'lol' after your post!! Guessing your a 996.2 gt3 owner talking prices up! It's worth no MORE than 48k and at 48k it would have to be MINT! Anyway good luck to the owner, he's gonna need it! Take it the frustration of not finding one is getting the better of you now? Every post I see from you seems to be sniping at anyone that dares suggest the 996 GT3 is on the slight increase in price!

pocty said: This is a list of 996RS parts found on another forum: 99610097990 ENGINE replacement engine 04 M96.79 M004 99610190195 CRANK CASE Crankcase with studs use also: 000.043.203.73 sealing compound Drei Bond 1209 04- M96.79 M004 4320373 SEAL.COMP. sealing compound 99610201795 PULLEY pulley 04- M96.79 M004 96410223931 FLYWHEEL flywheel 03- M004 96411414331 RING GEAR ring gear 03- M004 93110211100 deep-groove ball bearing 03- M004 92810215101 SCREW pan-head screw 03- M004 99610400294 CYL.HEAD cylinder head, ready for installation M96.79, M004 99610400296 CYL.HEAD cylinder head, ready for installation M96.79, M004 99650598092 Front Bumper cover 99902517402 WASHER Washer, 14 x 1,5 x 40 M004 99902517401 WASHER Washer, 14 x 1,5 x 40 M004 99634111792 SPOILER spoiler /L 04- M004 99634111892 SPOILER spoiler /R 04- M004 99651295994 Spoiler 99651299194 lid 99651298394 plate 99651298494 plate 99634115792 WHEEL SUPP wheel carrier /L 04- M004 99634115892 WHEEL SUPP wheel carrier /R 04- M004 99634132171 SUPPORT support for cable speed sensor /L 04- M004 99634132271 SUPPORT support for cable speed sensor /R 04- M004 99660623591 PROTSHIELD heat protection for speed sensor /L 04- M004 99660623691 PROTSHIELD heat protection for speed sensor /R 04- M004 99634166190 COVER lid 04- M004 99734166190 COVER lid 04- M004 99921704209 HEX.BOLT hexagon-head bolt M 8 X 35 04- M004 99634304197 DAMPER shock absorber, - bilstein - 04- M004 99634353197 coil spring 99634307093 SUSPENSION stabiliser mounting 04- M004 99634780490 ST WHEEL steering wheel decorative stitching red 04- M004 99634780491 ST WHEEL steering wheel decorative stitching blue 04- M004 99633111190 WHEEL SUPP wheel carrier /L 04- M004 99633111290 WHEEL SUPP wheel carrier /R 04- M004 99634112190 TRANSVERSE wishbone /L 04- M004 99634112290 TRANSVERSE wishbone /R 04- M004 90007602502 HEX.NUT hexagon nut M 8 04- M004 99902526902 WASHER Washer 8,5 X 17 X 6 04- M004 99634144190 FLANGE bearing flange wishbone 04- M004 99633155190 SUPPORT support 04- /601 M004 99633105192 SIDE PANEL side section /L 04- M004 99633105292 SIDE PANEL side section /R 04- M004 99633305197 ABSORBER shock absorber - bilstein - 04- M004 99636213608 WHEEL disc wheel 8,5 J X 18 ET 40 wheel spoke red lacquered /V 04- M004/597 99636213609 WHEEL disc wheel 8,5 J X 18 ET 40 wheel spoke blue lacquered /V 04- M004/598 99636214208 WHEEL disc wheel 8,5 J X 18 ET 40 wheel spoke red lacquered /H 04- M004/597 99636214209 WHEEL disc wheel 11 J X 18 ET 63 wheel spoke blue lacquered /H 04- M004/598 99636130392 HUBCAP hub cap red 04- M004/597 99636130394 HUBCAP hub cap blue 04- M004/598 99635180190 COVERPLATE protective plate upper /L 04- M004 99635181390 COVERPLATE protective plate lower /L 04- M004 99635181590 AIR DEFLEC air baffle plate /L 04- M004 99635180290 COVERPLATE protective plate upper 99635181490 COVERPLATE protective plate lower /R 04- M004 99635181690 AIR DEFLEC air baffle plate /R 04- M004 99635280190 COVERPLATE protective plate upper /L 04- M004 99635281390 COVERPLATE protective plate /L 04- M004 99635280290 COVERPLATE protective plate upper /R 04- M004 99635281490 COVERPLATE protective plate /R 04- M004 99635550391 SUPPORT support /L -03 M004 99635550393 SUPPORT support /L 04- M004 99635550390 SUPPORT support /L -03 M004/450 99635550392 SUPPORT support /L 04- M004/450 99642407591 KNOB gearshift **** decorative stitching red 04- M004 99642407592 KNOB gearshift **** decorative stitching blue 04- M004 99642403192 HAND BRAKE parking-brake lever complete decorative stitching red /LL 04- M004 99642403193 HAND BRAKE parking-brake lever complete decorative stitching blue /LL 04-; M004 M004 99651155191 PNEUSPRING gas-pressure spring 04- M004 99651295994 SPOILER spoiler 04- M004 99651298394 PLATE plate /L 04- M004 99651298494 PLATE plate /R 04- M004 99907333400 SCREW round head screw M 6 X 16 04- M004 99654511192 REAR PANE rear window 04- M004 99654552103 FRAME sealing frame 04- M004 99654554501 TRIM FRAME trim frame 04- M004 99673161930 HOUSING Housing door mirror carbon /L 04- M004 99673162030 HOUSING Housing door mirror carbon /R 04- M004 99655923792 LOGO Logo * GT3 RS * guards riviera blue 04 M004/598 99655923793 LOGO Logo * GT3 RS * guards red 04 M004/597 99655933190 FOIL decorative film front guards red /L 04- M004/597 99655933290 FOIL decorative film front guards red /R 04- M004/597 99655933191 FOIL decorative film front riviera blue /L 04- M004/598 99655933291 FOIL decorative film front riviera blue /R 04- M004/598 99655933390 FOIL decorative film lateral guards red 99655933490 FOIL decorative film lateral guards red /R 04- M004/597 99655933391 FOIL decorative film lateral riviera blue /L 04- M004/598 99655933491 FOIL decorative film lateral riviera blue /R 04- M004/598 99655933590 FOIL decorative film rear guards red /L 04- M004/597 99655933690 FOIL decorative film rear guards red /R 04- M004/597 99655933591 FOIL decorative film rear riviera blue /L 04- M004/598 99655933691 FOIL decorative film rear riviera blue /R 04- M004/598 99680303491 SEAT BELT seat belt riviera blue /R 04- IXSZ/M004 99680303391 SEAT BELT seat belt riviera blue /L 04- IXSZ/M004 99658098202 CAGE roll cage 04- M004 99917012990 SPARK PLUG spark plug Y 5DDC 04 M96.79 M004 99651101191 lid 99651155191 gas pressure spring Taken from another forum. Pocty Pocty that's quote a collection of parts. Can I ask which forum ? Tks

Shep911 said: Is this a real ad or a joke? That's the first question I cannot believe a 996GT3 is worth more than £55k (even given the current daft market) and I have one so there's a vested interest....... Interesting point though - if pistonheads was the only place to advertise your GT3, you would be struggling to buy one 'cos other than this £80k example there are no other ones for sale!! So do the laws of supply and demand dictate that they are worth big prices - I use the term 'worth' very loosely by the way..... I still fail to see where this £55,000 or £50,000 emanate from - ? Has one been sold for this price or is this just specultaion based on the increase in RS prices whether 996 or 997 ????? As for the parts list I would guess at Rennlist or such or 991UK but am erring towards an American site. Pip

ClarkPB said: Take it the frustration of not finding one is getting the better of you now? Every post I see from you seems to be sniping at anyone that dares suggest the 996 GT3 is on the slight increase in price! No Clark my frustration is with the Internet and owners trying it on! Of course you think 80 grand for a .2 gt3 is reasonable. Owners tryin it on are just ruining the enjoyment for us genuine petrolheads you really think this car is worth similar to a 997 rs or a 997 gen 1 I'm just stating the truth.

I am not sure anybody knows what these are currently worth. Theres very few coming up for sale and i would imagine dealers have buyers waiting for cars so hardly any get advertised. People are certainly testing the market and theres nothing illegal about that. However, I have a bad feeling that the GT3 market has made a step change. A big one.

Pip1968 said: Shep911 said: Is this a real ad or a joke? That's the first question I cannot believe a 996GT3 is worth more than £55k (even given the current daft market) and I have one so there's a vested interest....... Interesting point though - if pistonheads was the only place to advertise your GT3, you would be struggling to buy one 'cos other than this £80k example there are no other ones for sale!! So do the laws of supply and demand dictate that they are worth big prices - I use the term 'worth' very loosely by the way..... I still fail to see where this £55,000 or £50,000 emanate from - ? Has one been sold for this price or is this just specultaion based on the increase in RS prices whether 996 or 997 ????? As for the parts list I would guess at Rennlist or such or 991UK but am erring towards an American site. Pip OK, my justification for 50/55. 18 months ago, there was a choice of about 4/5 cars for sale, I know, as I was looking. The Polar silver car at Whale Sport Cars, hung around for ages, everything else sold. Even the overpriced low mileage non a/c car (45k) at BHP, Bucks, has sold. Move onto 2014, and I've seen maybe 3/4 cars sold in the last 5 months. Items are worth what punters are prepared for them. Every seller would like as much as possible for their car.

thegoat46 said: No Clark my frustration is with the Internet and owners trying it on! Of course you think 80 grand for a .2 gt3 is reasonable. Owners tryin it on are just ruining the enjoyment for us genuine petrolheads you really think this car is worth similar to a 997 rs or a 997 gen 1 I'm just stating the truth. Are limited colour 997.1RS worth more than a 997.2 GT3 or a shade under .2RS's values? Does it make it a better car for being a limited colour? Are 997.2RS's worth more than the 991'3? Is a 964RS/993GT2 a better drive than their later compatriots? Not sure on the 993GT2 but the general consensus is no (from what ive read). How is it spoiling it for genuine petrolheads?

This is all relative isn't? Similar to the housing market? I was chatting to fellow PH at weekend. He said if I sold, what would you buy? And that's just it, isn't it? If I sold my GT3, what could I replace it with, that isn't going to cost the same anyway?

mollytherocker said: I am not sure anybody knows what these are currently worth. Theres very few coming up for sale and i would imagine dealers have buyers waiting for cars so hardly any get advertised. People are certainly testing the market and theres nothing illegal about that. However, I have a bad feeling that the GT3 market has made a step change. A big one. Agree 100% People who are looking for a GT3 talk values down People who are selling a GT3 talk values up People who have one and bought the car to drive dont really care In-between all that, there is pure conjecture and speculation

V8KSN said: mollytherocker said: I am not sure anybody knows what these are currently worth. Theres very few coming up for sale and i would imagine dealers have buyers waiting for cars so hardly any get advertised. People are certainly testing the market and theres nothing illegal about that. However, I have a bad feeling that the GT3 market has made a step change. A big one. Agree 100% People who are looking for a GT3 talk values down People who are selling a GT3 talk values up People who have one and bought the car to drive dont really care In-between all that, there is pure conjecture and speculation season, 991 GT3 Chaos, Far East waking up, Digital cars, cheap money ongoing, asset price leaps. media hype - all coming together

rallyeman said: OK, my justification for 50/55. 18 months ago, there was a choice of about 4/5 cars for sale, I know, as I was looking. The Polar silver car at Whale Sport Cars, hung around for ages, everything else sold. Even the overpriced low mileage non a/c car (45k) at BHP, Bucks, has sold. Move onto 2014, and I've seen maybe 3/4 cars sold in the last 5 months. Items are worth what punters are prepared for them. Every seller would like as much as possible for their car. So the £50-55,000 price is more about what you would pay rather than values per se - ? Where are the ones that have sold at or at the very least been offered at this price. I suppose we shall have to look at what the £80,000 one sells for if at all. Is it open to offers - ? I suppose I should really ask if you have offered this for it. Pip Edited by Pip1968 on Thursday 22 May 09:36

thegoat46 said: No Clark my frustration is with the Internet and owners trying it on! Of course you think 80 grand for a .2 gt3 is reasonable. Owners tryin it on are just ruining the enjoyment for us genuine petrolheads you really think this car is worth similar to a 997 rs or a 997 gen 1 I'm just stating the truth. Not once did I say I thought it was worth £80k? A well spec'd,mint Club Sport could be worth £55/60k though

This thread is yet another sad reflection that the PH Porsche forum is now preoccupied with discussing present and future values. Topics about owning and driving them are now sadly few and far between.

For ages I was thinking I'll have to buy a RHD GT3 due to prices being much lower than LHD (and not being willing to pay / able to afford the mark up) - seems this situation has largely reversed now, so for enthusiasts it is maybe not all bad news. A lot more choice on the continent than in the UK. (look for the silver lining bla bla etc)

langdale said: Pocty that's quote a collection of parts. Can I ask which forum ? Tks That's just a meaningless list which if any body could really be bothered to research would turn out to be largely identical in spec to the equivalent in the regular GT3.Listing the graphics as separate parts is nonsense and clearly done to make a point but it smacks of protesting too much. They are 99% the same car. But, who knows what drives this mania. A Green RS is different to a Black or Orange one in only 1 respect and that seems to be worth 15 - 20k all of a sudden!!! Lunacy.

Unprecedented price for a 6gt3.2. But in my mind, still CHEAP for the experience you get, RELATIVE to many other cars which now cost 3 or 4 times the price (993rs, 964rs, 993tt, 3.6t, 360cs etc.) Molly is also right. The last mk1 sold was mid 50's. The last batch of RS sold were around 80k. That was in a very different climate though ! Edited by jackal on Thursday 22 May 10:04

Just to confirm,this £80k advert IS a joke anyway is it not?

Dblue said: That's just a meaningless list which if any body could really be bothered to research would turn out to be largely identical in spec to the equivalent in the regular GT3.Listing the graphics as separate parts is nonsense and clearly done to make a point but it smacks of protesting too much. They are 99% the same car. But, who knows what drives this mania. A Green RS is different to a Black or Orange one in only 1 respect and that seems to be worth 15 - 20k all of a sudden!!! Lunacy. yeah you have a point. I was very torn between the 996 C/S and the RS I eventually bought

JZM had a mint one (996 GT3.2) only 3 months ago for 45K. Are you seriously suggesting that in 3 months time they have jumped up 10K?

boxsey said: This thread is yet another sad reflection that the PH Porsche forum is now preoccupied with discussing present and future values. Topics about owning and driving them are now sadly few and far between. I agree to an extent, but its at the heart of ownership and vitally important! I want to buy a GT3 so I can ENJOY it properly as the good maker intended. But I have missed the boat. These value rises have now taken them from my reach. So I cant talk about owning and driving them!! Don't get me wrong, I am not complaining, it is what it is and its my own stupid fault, especially as I was one of the ones saying they would rise. Its also causing owners to hold on to them and put them in heated garages as they are s t scared of affecting these values! The same is happening to air cooled cars as I am sure you know.

Fingers crossed they will not remain outside enthusiasts reach. Let's look at prices again at the end of the track season when the 991 is fully on line. Whilst it is clearly a 'different' car (see: no stick :-( ) a lot of Porsche owners just want to get the newest thing out and are not worried about driver involvement (see also: can of worms). I am still hankering after a 997 GT3 RS. Why hasn't the black/orange at Amari not sold? I assume it has a checkered history. Pip

Pip1968 said: Fingers crossed they will not remain outside enthusiasts reach. Let's look at prices again at the end of the track season when the 991 is fully on line. Whilst it is clearly a 'different' car (see: no stick :-( ) a lot of Porsche owners just want to get the newest thing out and are not worried about driver involvement (see also: can of worms). I am still hankering after a 997 GT3 RS. Why hasn't the black/orange at Amari not sold? I assume it has a checkered history. Pip i think if they ripped out the non standard nav and steering wheel and got the car back to standard it would go quite quickly.

ive decided that i want an F40 now, do you think if i stand outside a dealership with one in throwing a tantrum, theyll lower the price to what i want it to be?

Dblue said: I'm not sure thats really true. Yes there are quite a few unique parts , especially in the suspension but it runs the same engine and its fundamentally a 996 GT3 , as is this car and the Mark 1. There's potential for the 96RS to go stratospheric but its not sufficiently different to other GT3s to have the rarity value of the earlier RSs , IMHO. Wrong. Different cylinder heads on the 996RS engine. RS produces approx 15PS more on the dyno - and the difference is even greater when moving as the RS has a 'ram air' duct on the engine cover. Porsche: "The engine of the 911 GT3 is used in the 911 GT3 RS in model year 2004. The geometry of the inlet ports in the cylinder head have been optimised. This resulted in a new engine type, which for this vehicle is designated M79/80." There are many differences from a GT3 clubsport - which is 5% heavier than an RS. Different roll cage, springs, dampers, wheel carriers, adjustable suspension arms (nb standard GT3 shares Boxster parts), single mass flywheel, various carbon fibre parts, etc, etc.

BUt all stuff you could in theory do to a normal '3 though?

agtlaw said: Dblue said: I'm not sure thats really true. Yes there are quite a few unique parts , especially in the suspension but it runs the same engine and its fundamentally a 996 GT3 , as is this car and the Mark 1. There's potential for the 96RS to go stratospheric but its not sufficiently different to other GT3s to have the rarity value of the earlier RSs , IMHO. Wrong. Different cylinder heads on the 996RS engine. RS produces approx 15PS more on the dyno - and the difference is even greater when moving as the RS has a 'ram air' duct on the engine cover. Porsche: "The engine of the 911 GT3 is used in the 911 GT3 RS in model year 2004. The geometry of the inlet ports in the cylinder head have been optimised. This resulted in a new engine type, which for this vehicle is designated M79/80." There are many differences from a GT3 clubsport - which is 5% heavier than an RS. Different roll cage, springs, dampers, wheel carriers, adjustable suspension arms (nb standard GT3 shares Boxster parts), single mass flywheel, various carbon fibre parts, etc, etc. The changes are not night and day different. The engine is the same quoted output (381PS ) and , although they certainly were stronger on a dyno, thats what Porsche claimed at the time. The weight is within 25kg of a clubsport isn't it? 5% is 65kg odd, pretty sure the RS and the GT3 are closer than that. All the suspension changes were homologation parts and adjustment is different but a stock GT3 can be adjusted pretty much the same. Wheel carriers are different but wheels are the same, brakes the same. C/F Wing and Bonnet, and Lexan screen are unique but its body in white, wheelbase and track are all the same. 997RS has as many alterations to a stock GT3 of the time but i'd never claim it was hugely different to the standard car in terms of driving it. IMHO a gen2 997 3.8 RS is more different to a stock GT3 than the 996 was. But I'm way off the point and I love em so don't think for a minute I am trying to undermine how special they are.

Dblue said: The changes are not night and day different. The engine is the same quoted output (381PS ) and , although they certainly were stronger on a dyno, thats what Porsche claimed at the time. The weight is within 25kg of a clubsport isn't it? 5% is 65kg odd, pretty sure the RS and the GT3 are closer than that. All the suspension changes were homologation parts and adjustment is different but a stock GT3 can be adjusted pretty much the same. Wheel carriers are different but wheels are the same, brakes the same. C/F Wing and Bonnet, and Lexan screen are unique but its body in white, wheelbase and track are all the same. Porsche released the GT3 engine figures for the RS which has a different engine. They did the same thing with the 3.2 ClubSport in 1984. Andreas Preuninger gives a good explanation in a contemporary interview. I may post this later if i can find it. I'd have to check the maths and it depends on the method of measurement (DIN or otherwise). Again, i can check later but 5% is my memory of the figure quoted in my (extremely rare) 996 GT3 RS sales brochure. That isn't right about suspension adjustment. A GT3 has linear springs. RS springs are progressive. Thats a physical difference. The RS dampers may be the same but they are, from memory 15% stiffer on an RS. I don't know if you can adjust this on a GT3 damper. The front RS coffin arm is split in two - so shims can be inserted to adjust the camber - the same part on a GT3 is an unadjustable one piece part from a Boxster.

You lot lighten up! Took the wife around Oulton Park last month in my 996 GT3 (an owner that uses his!!!!) I though she enjoyed it but looking in to her eyes on the video I'm not so sure! Enjoy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmmLnFZ8P3s&fe... PJI PS Its only done 17000 miles anyone interested!!!!!

PJI said: You lot lighten up! Took the wife around Oulton Park last month in my 996 GT3 (an owner that uses his!!!!) I though she enjoyed it but looking in to her eyes on the video I'm not so sure! Enjoy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmmLnFZ8P3s&fe... PJI PS Its only done 17000 miles anyone interested!!!!! .."can you keep it off the curb"...hehe

Dblue said: That's just a meaningless list which if any body could really be bothered to research would turn out to be largely identical in spec to the equivalent in the regular GT3.Listing the graphics as separate parts is nonsense and clearly done to make a point but it smacks of protesting too much. They are 99% the same car. Maybe you should have bothered to do some research? The single-mass flywheel pares a significant nine kilograms from the weight of the GT3 RSs drive, explains engineer, Andreas Preuninger, project leader for the RS programme. We worked our way through the whole powertrain to see where we could save further weight, help gases flow more efficiently in and out of the engine, and finish up any tasks that were in the pipeline when the last two GT3 versions went to production. The next item to be sorted was the cylinder-heads, he continues. These also have reshaped intake and exhaust ports for race homologation, although the exhaust system remains unchanged. Tappets remain hydraulic like the normal GT3s. Critical to the whole mix is the ECU remapping. Most people in the chip tuning business do not realise it, but a lighter flywheel means that the fuelling and ignition can be much more aggressive on full throttle to take advantage of the dynamics of an engine that can now rev up faster," he explains. The counterpoint is that we have to be very careful with the fuel and ignition settings at small throttle openings, so that the car is not a pig to drive when you are parking or moving slowly in town. This is partly an issue of being able to get the airflow working properly at low speeds with small throttle openings. Being able to rev higher helps as well, and the rev limit is raised to 8200rpm. Not many owners have complained about the power output, and on paper, Porsche still claims the same 381bhp at 7300rpm as the standard GT3. In reality, however, Andreas freely admits that the gains from all this work, as measured on Porsches control dyno, showed a jump to nearly 400bhp, possibly a shade more once the engine is properly run in. Starting at the front, the springs are now progressive, rather than linear, and their stiffness index has been moved up from 40 to 45N/mm. The dampers are uprated to match the new spring rates, but they are not actually much stiffer, since simply reducing the weight of the car by 50kg increases the relative spring and damper ratings, and the Pirelli Corsa tyres have stiffer sidewalls. We tried various different settings but in the end, the basic ones proved to be the best compromise, Andreas tells us. They end up somewhere between 10 and 15 percent stiffer than the normal GT3 in bounce and rebound. The wheel carriers are totally redesigned to make the most of the improved dynamic camber control that has resulted from the new suspension mounting points. The Uniballs in the front end are now adjustable, as on the rear, and you can turn the suspension legs through 120 degrees to get more negative camber. Of course, this only applies to racecars, as you really would not want to run four degrees, or more, negative camber on a road car. The sum total of this work delivers better control and reduced bump-steer tendencies. Andreas explains that the vast amount of experience Porsches racing department has gained in competition with the GT3, highlighted the fact that the 996 suspension configuration tends to exaggerate bump steer, the lower the ride height gets. The control arms, formerly adjustable at the rear only, are now adjustable at both ends of the car. Being lower, the racecars are obviously worse than road cars in this respect, so Porsche had no alternative but to carry out these changes. And, of course, the GT3 RS road car benefits from these race-led modifications and is 3mm lower than a regular GT3, front and rear. For road use, the adjustable anti-roll bars are set to position three out of four in front, and two out of four at the rear on the normal GT3 RS. The even more focused Club Sport version, which comes with a full roll-cage (rear section installed at the factory and the front part delivered to the dealer with the car), gets position four in front and three at the rear for track use, along with slightly different camber and toe settings. The brakes are the same as the regular car, with the option of PCCB ceramics. The brake cooling ducts are a different design, although that has more to do with the new wheel carrier shape than anything else. The alloy axle struts were also redesigned because of the new wheel carriers. The bodyshell is standard GT3 but with some modifications to the sheet metal aft of the drivers seat. Since there is no rear seat, we removed some of the bits to which you would normally attach the rear seatbelts and some other small parts. We saved about 14kg here, and deleting the side airbags was worth 3kg, the leather trim around 4kg, Andreas tells us. The Kevlar bonnet saved another 8kg and a 2kg saving was found in the larger carbonfibre rear wing. This is just like the one on the Cup car and delivers 35kg ofdownforce at 125mph [200km/h], he says. In wind tunnel testing, the car showed zero lift on the front axle and 5kg downforce at the rear, which means that the rear wing counters the 30kg of lift induced by the rest of the car. If you look under the front of the rear wing, you will notice ram air ducts for the engine bay. According to Andreas, these force cooling air into the intake with 15- 18Mb of pressure at 300km/h (187mph), and this is enough to create an additional 15bhp. That extra 15bhp cannot be homologated, though, since the official engine output figures are certified on a dyno! The front cooler arrangement takes a leaf from the GT2s book and the radiator is angled so that air enters the nose from below, blows through the radiator and upwards in front of the bonnets leading edge. This in itself creates 3-4kg of downforce on the nose. The businesslike cabin of the GT3 RS has a unique dashboard without a glovebox, and this alone saves 6kg. Ironically, though, right-hand-drive cars got a normal dashboard, because only 140 cars were built. However, the right-hand-drive ones had a smaller 64-litre fuel tank, so they ended up lighter, anyhow. The polycarbonate rear window saves a further 2kg and the carbon mirrors probably only a couple of grams over the stock glassfibre ones. The kerb weight of a GT3 RS Club Sport with its fire extinguisher system, rollcage, preparation for ignition-kill switch and a full fuel tank, is 1360kg. The optional PCCB brakes save a further 17kg. The GT3 RS was only available in white, with Mexico Blue or Indian Red shades used for the decals along the

PCCB was a 5k option - see below. By way of follow up, the RS brochure says 50kg less than a GT3 ClubSport and 4% better power to weight ratio.

PRO5T said: I can see this year being the 996 GT3's year. There's already so much insta hype on them from the American market and where they lead, we'll follow. I've been saying it for years but they absolutely will be one of those cars where everyone says "why didn't we buy when we could have had one for £XXk The 996 gt3 'year' has been every year since 2010, but only the rs and gt2 made it. The 996 isnt a collectors car sadly and generally too harsh for most weekend warriors

Trash_panda said: PRO5T said: I can see this year being the 996 GT3's year. There's already so much insta hype on them from the American market and where they lead, we'll follow. I've been saying it for years but they absolutely will be one of those cars where everyone says "why didn't we buy when we could have had one for £XXk The 996 gt3 'year' has been every year since 2010, but only the rs and gt2 made it. The 996 isnt a collectors car sadly and generally too harsh for most weekend warriors I agree with PRO5T. And there are some clues. 1 - There are NIL, yes NIL cars currently for sale 2 - The last one sold for £105k (Or close to) I think theyre being stored by collectors and speculators. We shall see.

mollytherocker said: I agree with PRO5T. And there are some clues. 1 - There are NIL, yes NIL cars currently for sale 2 - The last one sold for £105k (Or close to) I think theyre being stored by collectors and speculators. We shall see. There's this one: https://walkersautotech.co.uk/sales/porsche-911-99... I think this one might actually have gone now, but it wasn't £105k: https://www.carandclassic.com/car/C2008163 Edited by LiamH66 on Wednesday 1st April 15:18

Weird. I thought AT was broken last night because normally there are a handful of 996 GT3s. Seems the Turbo market is drying up, too.

mollytherocker said: I think theyre being stored by collectors and speculators. We shall see. Nope, I gave mine a good clay and wax earlier this month, and it was and will do continue to be on school run duties after the Easter break

chip* said: mollytherocker said: I think theyre being stored by collectors and speculators. We shall see. Nope, I gave mine a good clay and wax earlier this month, and it was and will do continue to be on school run duties after the Easter break I continue to use mine too! I am suggesting of course that there are many in storage, not all of course.

LiamH66 said: There's this one: https://walkersautotech.co.uk/sales/porsche-911-99... I think this one might actually have gone now, but it wasn't £105k: https://www.carandclassic.com/car/C2008163 Edited by LiamH66 on Wednesday 1st April 15:18 That looks like an old link? Unbelievable value if current.

PRO5T said: I can see this year being the 996 GT3's year. There's already so much insta hype on them from the American market and where they lead, we'll follow. I've been saying it for years but they absolutely will be one of those cars where everyone says "why didn't we buy when we could have had one for £XXk Have to agree with this..rare cars,especially the Rs's ..id be very surprised if U.S car collectors wouldn't want one in their collections.

Hoofy said: Weird. I thought AT was broken last night because normally there are a handful of 996 GT3s. Seems the Turbo market is drying up, too. Before I sold my 997.1 GT3 last year, I;d been watched that market and it was very, very thin and even thinner when you looked specifically at Clubsport cars. I think 996/7 turbo and GT cars are being hung on to. Many are also hitting that point where owners are happy to put money into them - gearbox, suspension or even engine re-fresh - which kind of locks them in. They have a great car, but they're not getting back what it owes them if they sell.

Yep. And it's not just the insta-hype FOMO thing either (although Chris Harris' "f*ck bitcoin, buy 996" merchandise sold out immediately), there's an interesting thread on PH "What three cars for life". A lot of people nominate some sort of 911 and most seem to plump for a 997. I think those who were young drivers during the 996/997 GT3's heyday are approaching that age where a third car frivolity can be acceptable. Not to mention the size for UK roads. The £100k+ Speed Yellow 996 GT3 JZM example didn't exactly take long to sell-I heard it went to sealed bids above £100k as there was a number of interested parties at the asking price.

PRO5T said: The £100k+ Speed Yellow 996 GT3 JZM example didn't exactly take long to sell-I heard it went to sealed bids above £100k as there was a number of interested parties at the asking price. That is very significant if true!

Digga said: Hoofy said: Weird. I thought AT was broken last night because normally there are a handful of 996 GT3s. Seems the Turbo market is drying up, too. Before I sold my 997.1 GT3 last year, I;d been watched that market and it was very, very thin and even thinner when you looked specifically at Clubsport cars. I think 996/7 turbo and GT cars are being hung on to. Many are also hitting that point where owners are happy to put money into them - gearbox, suspension or even engine re-fresh - which kind of locks them in. They have a great car, but they're not getting back what it owes them if they sell. Interesting. That's where I am now. I kept meaning to change for something else but there are so many reasons why I want to keep it (996 Turbo) and then even more when I start putting more money into it. It's not a terrible place to be so I see no reason to sell it at least for this year. In fact, when my daily packed up, I nearly bought what would be the replacement for the 911 with a possible view to running the 911 as a daily seeing as I was running it as a daily anyway for about a month. The 150p per litre petrol price put me off especially when I was filling the car up 3 times a week. So I decided I had to have a PHEV as a daily.

Hoofy said: Interesting. That's where I am now. I kept meaning to change for something else but there are so many reasons why I want to keep it (996 Turbo) and then even more when I start putting more money into it. It's not a terrible place to be so I see no reason to sell it at least for this year. In fact, when my daily packed up, I nearly bought what would be the replacement for the 911 with a possible view to running the 911 as a daily seeing as I was running it as a daily anyway for about a month. The 150p per litre petrol price put me off especially when I was filling the car up 3 times a week. So I decided I had to have a PHEV as a daily. The reality is that the 996 is pretty unique - drove a friend's 992.1 Touring in amazing spec. If it was one car to rule them all - sure, I would sell my K400 and get 991.2 or 992.1 Touring, and be done with it. However, I am lucky to have access to 8 cars and somehow I have managed to trick myself that the GT3 is a Sunday/once a year DN and CD Ring car while if I was to do a Eurotrip with Mrs Cheb, I would take a Maserati Granturismo Stradale or a 928GTS 5spd, thus avoiding the relative lack of daily comforts in the 996... Hence, it would not be for sale - it was so much more fun to drive than the 991/2 platform - yes, a lot slower, but who cares when I am grinning like a Cheshire cat...

PRO5T said: I can see this year being the 996 GT3's year. There's already so much insta hype on them from the American market and where they lead, we'll follow. I've been saying it for years but they absolutely will be one of those cars where everyone says "why didn't we buy when we could have had one for £XXk The Americans seem to be going mad for anything at the moment, I keep seeing 930s going for insane money and I recently needed an estimate of what mine was worth for insurance and duty for importation, the UK estimate was about where they've been since the turn of the millennium, whereas the American quote was crackers - if the gap ever closes I'll probably sell mine, I love it but we've all got our price. You know what I paid for my 997RS and they seem to have jumped up since we were discussing them last year, but it's hard to tell because there aren't any for sale now, there always used to be 2-3 for sale but it looks like they've been snapped up.

Cheburator mk2 said: Hoofy said: Interesting. That's where I am now. I kept meaning to change for something else but there are so many reasons why I want to keep it (996 Turbo) and then even more when I start putting more money into it. It's not a terrible place to be so I see no reason to sell it at least for this year. In fact, when my daily packed up, I nearly bought what would be the replacement for the 911 with a possible view to running the 911 as a daily seeing as I was running it as a daily anyway for about a month. The 150p per litre petrol price put me off especially when I was filling the car up 3 times a week. So I decided I had to have a PHEV as a daily. The reality is that the 996 is pretty unique - drove a friend's 992.1 Touring in amazing spec. If it was one car to rule them all - sure, I would sell my K400 and get 991.2 or 992.1 Touring, and be done with it. However, I am lucky to have access to 8 cars and somehow I have managed to trick myself that the GT3 is a Sunday/once a year DN and CD Ring car while if I was to do a Eurotrip with Mrs Cheb, I would take a Maserati Granturismo Stradale or a 928GTS 5spd, thus avoiding the relative lack of daily comforts in the 996... Hence, it would not be for sale - it was so much more fun to drive than the 991/2 platform - yes, a lot slower, but who cares when I am grinning like a Cheshire cat... 996 turbo is still, in my books, one of the very nicest 'GT' touring cars made. Granted, you need to be on better roads than the UK offers, with the opportunity to let the turbos spool-up, but in terms of comfort, I absolutely loved mine when I had it. First road trip I did was from Midlands, down to Eurotunnel, then via battlefield in Arras where my grandfather fought, to Nurburg. In one go. Felt absolutely great. No effort or stress. The all leather interior on the 996 is a beautiful place to spend time IMHO.

Digga said: First road trip I did was from Midlands, down to Eurotunnel, then via battlefield in Arras where my grandfather fought, to Nurburg. In one go. Felt absolutely great. No effort or stress. The all leather interior on the 996 is a beautiful place to spend time IMHO. Amazing... but... it sounds like my idea of hell. Why am I so knackered when I drive mine?

Speed yellow Clubsport you say….

Digga said: 996 turbo is still, in my books, one of the very nicest 'GT' touring cars made. Granted, you need to be on better roads than the UK offers, with the opportunity to let the turbos spool-up, but in terms of comfort, I absolutely loved mine when I had it. First road trip I did was from Midlands, down to Eurotunnel, then via battlefield in Arras where my grandfather fought, to Nurburg. In one go. Felt absolutely great. No effort or stress. The all leather interior on the 996 is a beautiful place to spend time IMHO. I did a 400 mile round trip in mine today, mostly motorway it was brill, off to the Monaco Classic in a couple of weeks (assuming France has petrol!), scenic route all the way, can’t bl**dy wait

Well the only 996 GT3 currently for sale is 70k mile, silver car for £90k….

ditchvisitor said: Well the only 996 GT3 currently for sale is 70k mile, silver car for £90k . Thing is, with 996/7 GT cars, the odometer mileage is only ever part of the story. A rigorous service history, on a car that's driven and used, is more reassuring than a garage queen that is almost inevitably going to have a leaky rear main seal, amongst other lack-of-use issues.

If you are referring to this 70k mile car i would argue that it’s an exceptional example and not to dwell on the odometer figure. https://www.paragongb.com/795/porsche-for-sale/por...

seawise said: If you are referring to this 70k mile car i would argue that it s an exceptional example and not to dwell on the odometer figure. https://www.paragongb.com/795/porsche-for-sale/por... Yep. Any 996/7 GT is at an age well beyond OEM service schedules being relevant and really, mileage over 50k merely demands that decent, rigorous indie service history is followed.

Completely agree, I’m on my 3rd 996.1 GT3; the first had 50k miles, second had 75k miles and the current one has 73k miles, all had massive service histories and accompanying folders with vast amounts of money spent. Buy based on condition and work done, not mileage is definitely how to get a good one - there are a lot of tired and crashed ones out there! Shows the market is finally shifting and waking up to these epic cars, a decent one is well above a 991 now.

Anyone got a price tracker going as look like there's been a 20k bump since they disappeared for sale

Trash_panda said: Anyone got a price tracker going as look like there's been a 20k bump since they disappeared for sale Only mentally. I was seeing them for as cheap as £60k on AT and PH about 3 years ago.

There were jags available for the whole of the last year, only a couple of months ago two guards red ones failed to even reach £60k at auction. The speed yellow club sport that sat unsold for two years at £83k-where did that go? That's not to say they aren't worth it but beware that the usual suspects are trying to game the market. It's only when there's none or very little for sale they can try and do this. Lots of influence on the socials from America, next big thing etc. Watch the 997.1 RS market get pumped too as they've disappeared. You could have bought a minter in orange for £120k for the last four years-I can see them coming up at £180k next as the 992.2 RS' are all seriously pumped.

Hoofy said: Trash_panda said: Anyone got a price tracker going as look like there's been a 20k bump since they disappeared for sale Only mentally. I was seeing them for as cheap as £60k on AT and PH about 3 years ago. A 23k mile SY .2 lasted a day at JZM and was £110k…. https://jzmporsche.com/cars/porsche-996-p0857/

ditchvisitor said: Hoofy said: Trash_panda said: Anyone got a price tracker going as look like there's been a 20k bump since they disappeared for sale Only mentally. I was seeing them for as cheap as £60k on AT and PH about 3 years ago. A 23k mile SY .2 lasted a day at JZM and was £110k . https://jzmporsche.com/cars/porsche-996-p0857/ Well, if someone's willing to pay that much then that's what it's worth.

Hoofy said: Trash_panda said: Anyone got a price tracker going as look like there's been a 20k bump since they disappeared for sale Only mentally. I was seeing them for as cheap as £60k on AT and PH about 3 years ago. From memory a 70k mile car was around 65k pre bump, itll be interesting to see if it goes for 90k. Reminds me of the 996rs bump all that time ago, last one to be sold was the paragon(?) Development car for 60ish then nothing then all of a sudden 120+ Or the housing bubble with estate agents just trying it on and inflating prices to see who bites

Trash_panda said: Hoofy said: Trash_panda said: Anyone got a price tracker going as look like there's been a 20k bump since they disappeared for sale Only mentally. I was seeing them for as cheap as £60k on AT and PH about 3 years ago. From memory a 70k mile car was around 65k pre bump, itll be interesting to see if it goes for 90k. Reminds me of the 996rs bump all that time ago, last one to be sold was the paragon(?) Development car for 60ish then nothing then all of a sudden 120+ Or the housing bubble with estate agents just trying it on and inflating prices to see who bites Yep. Not great for enthusiasts or people who just want somewhere to live.

Trash_panda said: Hoofy said: Trash_panda said: Anyone got a price tracker going as look like there's been a 20k bump since they disappeared for sale Only mentally. I was seeing them for as cheap as £60k on AT and PH about 3 years ago. From memory a 70k mile car was around 65k pre bump, itll be interesting to see if it goes for 90k. Reminds me of the 996rs bump all that time ago, last one to be sold was the paragon(?) Development car for 60ish then nothing then all of a sudden 120+ Or the housing bubble with estate agents just trying it on and inflating prices to see who bites They sold my 50k mile car for £80k in 2021 so I reckon it won’t hang about.

https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/20460970?u... 4.0 conversion £110k

Oooh! Very, very nice.

Big fan of that!

Oh I like that!

Iconic Auctioneers auction, sold a blue 996.1 recently , 16.05 did this have history? https://www.iconicauctioneers.com/2000-porsche-911...

Trash_panda said: Iconic Auctioneers auction, sold a blue 996.1 recently , 16.05 did this have history? https://www.iconicauctioneers.com/2000-porsche-911... [Img]https://am-s3-bucket-assets.s3.eu-west-2.amazonaws.com/silverstone/prod/lot_images/large/REC16858-1/REC16858-1_3.jpg.webp?dummy=1779605410[/thumb] CAT S and rough around the edges with it. If the market really has moved to what some dealers are claiming it was worth it for parts! It was always going to happen, the 996 GT3 is such a special car and it’s about time they’re recognised for what they are.

Ah yeah, missed that. Guess its been discussed before?!?

It's been a well known car for a long time being so unique, I personally inspected it some 15+ years ago plus it was being sold by the previous owner without disclosing it's accident history for a long time. They are rare cars regardless, we have a group of owners in the UK who know a lot of the cars, the knowledge base is good and a lot of cars are known but unicorns do occasionally pop out of the woodwork-I found my Manthey 3.9 litre from it's original owner with every invoice and correspondence from new. It was a well known car back in the old titanic days but had retired to an old barn 35 miles away from my front door!

PRO5T said: Watch the 997.1 RS market get pumped too as they've disappeared. You could have bought a minter in orange for £120k for the last four years-I can see them coming up at £180k next as the 992.2 RS' are all seriously pumped. Apparently Ashgoods have one that they're going to retail at £170k with 40k miles. It's just business, people see an opportunity and they grab it if they're able to, in my case I wanted one and knew if I didn't bite the bullet quickly I'd forever be priced out, so as you know I bought mine from Paragon and I bet I could sell it back to them now for a tidy profit. In my opinion they're a nicer looking car than the 997.2 and more playful on the road, plus they're a homage to the original 2.7RS with the same colours, so it's the one to have in my opinion. As you say they sat for so long at £120-140k and eventually once the 997 started to come into it's own as a modern classic it was a no brainer that they'd go up and because there aren't that many of them they all got snapped up and put away. In fact about a year before it happened I was told by a dealer that the 997.1 RS was one of the cars some of the bigger names were looking to buy up to hold for a few years and then release with a big price hike, so I'm glad I got mine when I did. I don't know it for a fact but I have heard some of the well known names have them quietly stashed in the warehouse and will release them at some point in the future. I'm not saying where because it's just a rumour, but if they're not there then where are they? I only ever see mine out and very occasionally one or two at a show. Edited by harryblue on Tuesday 26th May 07:23

It is 'just business' but it is also indicative of a small (ish) number of cars being sought by a growing cohort of buyers. As every year goes by in inflation Britain, £100k is worth slightly less. I remember when you could have a good night out for £10k...

Decent Ferraris are suffering even worse, I remember when an immaculate low mileage 458 Italia was easily bought with £120k, now you'd need to add £50k to get an average one, a Speciale seems to be going up by the minute, if they're not £600k then they will be by tonight and even a 488 will hit you for minimum £160k for a tidy one, the Pista is north of £500k I think. A Scud is basically unobtainable unless you're willing to bend over and bite down. Oh how I wish I'd bought the yellow 458 Speciale a few years ago when I was offered it for a number starting with two.

harryblue said: Decent Ferraris are suffering even worse, I remember when an immaculate low mileage 458 Italia was easily bought with £120k, now you'd need to add £50k to get an average one, a Speciale seems to be going up by the minute, if they're not £600k then they will be by tonight and even a 488 will hit you for minimum £160k for a tidy one, the Pista is north of £500k I think. A Scud is basically unobtainable unless you're willing to bend over and bite down. Oh how I wish I'd bought the yellow 458 Speciale a few years ago when I was offered it for a number starting with two. A mate sold his immaculate 458 spider before the 488 spider came out a.) to avoid the sudden depreciation and b.) to get his name down for the forthcoming 488 spider. The instant the dealer lent him the 488 berlinetta, he knew he'd made a mistake, but the market knew too and the prices of 458's had already moved up.

PRO5T said: https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/20460970?u... 4.0 conversion £110k Sold at the asking apparently!

Not exactly standard but Mischa is a fan, no wonder values increase with hype and influence like this (A “PG53” sibling to my C2 too )

PRO5T said: PRO5T said: https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/20460970?u... 4.0 conversion £110k Sold at the asking apparently! Worth it as well in my opinion. It was a very waffly advert but a lot of people reckon a 4.0 or 4.1L turns the 996 GT3 and RS into one of the best cars they’ve ever driven. Same with the 997. These capacity upgrades in the 996/997 (Mezger or not) make a very cool car, very capable but still with all that old school feel.

JZM sold their last 995 GT3 for asking a few weeks ago too.