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I’ve had quickish cars before, last one being an F82 M4 Competition which I sold a couple of years ago. Looking to get something as special as I can for around 55-60k. Both work from home and have another car for kids and dogs duties. So this is just something to make me go wow when I see and drive it. Test drove a Gen 1.5 R8 V10 S Tronic last weekend. Looks wise for wow factor it was great. Sound was amazing. Ride and handling more than fine for me. Downsides, kick down was a bit slow, even in sports mode, but the main thing was the seat. I felt like I was sitting on the car rather than in it. Which I hate. I like to sit low down as I’m 6”3’. Possibly could be fixed by test driving a V10 Plus with the buckets. As look like they sit lower. The other car I’m considering (and more than happy with any other suggestions please) is the 991 GTS. Looks like it would be a .1 as the .2 are out of my budget. My only concern with this is I do like straight line speed. And I’m worried it would be a bit of a let down after the M4 as looks no faster in a straight line. I know this isn’t the be all and end all, but it’s one of the factors for me. Has anyone driven both an F82 M4 Comp and a 991.1 GTS PDK and can comment, please? Is it any faster or much the same? The .2 looks a fair leap on. So it may well be I just have to wait longer and save more. I’ve got a test drive booked in for a 991.1 GTS this weekend. But anyone else’s experiences would be great to hear about.

Stephen-733s2 said: I’ve had quickish cars before, last one being an F82 M4 Competition which I sold a couple of years ago. Looking to get something as special as I can for around 55-60k. Both work from home and have another car for kids and dogs duties. So this is just something to make me go wow when I see and drive it. Test drove a Gen 1.5 R8 V10 S Tronic last weekend. Looks wise for wow factor it was great. Sound was amazing. Ride and handling more than fine for me. Downsides, kick down was a bit slow, even in sports mode, but the main thing was the seat. I felt like I was sitting on the car rather than in it. Which I hate. I like to sit low down as I’m 6”3’. Possibly could be fixed by test driving a V10 Plus with the buckets. As look like they sit lower. The other car I’m considering (and more than happy with any other suggestions please) is the 991 GTS. Looks like it would be a .1 as the .2 are out of my budget. My only concern with this is I do like straight line speed. And I’m worried it would be a bit of a let down after the M4 as looks no faster in a straight line. I know this isn’t the be all and end all, but it’s one of the factors for me. Has anyone driven both an F82 M4 Comp and a 991.1 GTS PDK and can comment, please? Is it any faster or much the same? The .2 looks a fair leap on. So it may well be I just have to wait longer and save more. I’ve got a test drive booked in for a 991.1 GTS this weekend. But anyone else’s experiences would be great to hear about. I've driven both but 3+ years apart, so hard to imagine how they would compare back to back. You'll probably miss some low down torque on the 991.1 GTS as it's naturally aspirated and you won't experience the same acceleration if you short shift it through the gears like you might do on the M4. You will need to rev it out a bit more, but that, in my opinion is all part of the 3.8 N/A experience. The 991.2 GTS is probably more comparable to an M4 from a power and torque curve perspective, but still a very different platform. Between the 991.2 (I think I drove an S) and the M4 comp, I found the 911 hooked up better in damp conditions; found the M4 would step out much easier under acceleration even in a straight line. Would be good to hear your observations from the test drive. I currently own a gen2 R8 and, at 6'4", have exact same experience on seat position. I don't find it uncomfortable but just frustrating that Audi couldn't have done a better job of accommodating tall drivers; there is plenty room in the foot well - they should have placed the pedals further back. I don't think you'll find the buckets much better overall. They may be marginally lower but you can't adjust the front and back / seat base angle independently so at 6.3"+ you'll probably find all the weight is on you bottom and you thighs are slightly off the seat base. Cracking car though, I've had mine for nearly 8 years from new. But it's time to move, and will be sold shortly.

Nuttcase said: I've driven both but 3+ years apart, so hard to imagine how they would compare back to back. You'll probably miss some low down torque on the 991.1 GTS as it's naturally aspirated and you won't experience the same acceleration if you short shift it through the gears like you might do on the M4. You will need to rev it out a bit more, but that, in my opinion is all part of the 3.8 N/A experience. The 991.2 GTS is probably more comparable to an M4 from a power and torque curve perspective, but still a very different platform. Between the 991.2 (I think I drove an S) and the M4 comp, I found the 911 hooked up better in damp conditions; found the M4 would step out much easier under acceleration even in a straight line. Would be good to hear your observations from the test drive. I currently own a gen2 R8 and, at 6'4", have exact same experience on seat position. I don't find it uncomfortable but just frustrating that Audi couldn't have done a better job of accommodating tall drivers; there is plenty room in the foot well - they should have placed the pedals further back. I don't think you'll find the buckets much better overall. They may be marginally lower but you can't adjust the front and back / seat base angle independently so at 6.3"+ you'll probably find all the weight is on you bottom and you thighs are slightly off the seat base. Cracking car though, I've had mine for nearly 8 years from new. But it's time to move, and will be sold shortly. Thanks very much for the info. Would you say the M4 was the same sort of speed or quicker/slower than the 991.1, please? Also, if you had the choice of 991.1 GTS or 991.2 S, which would you opt for please? It sounds like you drove both I think?

I’d go 3.8 gts all day long over the later 3.0 just on noise tbh. Owned one for 5 years and still miss it. As above you need to be on it to keep up with the later car but the engine is more rewarding. Also, the 3.8mhas proved to be pretty reliable, not so much the 3.0 cars

mikeh501 said: I’d go 3.8 gts all day long over the later 3.0 just on noise tbh. Owned one for 5 years and still miss it. As above you need to be on it to keep up with the later car but the engine is more rewarding. Also, the 3.8mhas proved to be pretty reliable, not so much the 3.0 cars Thanks Mike. Did you find it quick enough?

If you're purely asking about acceleration, your best bet might be some of the performance data website like 0-60 times and fastestlaps. I really couldn't say as drives were too far apart in time and very different in nature. I borrowed local OPC demo GTS - lovely thing in Carmine red, made a great noise and I drove it on good B roads I know for half a day. I left with a very good impression but thought it was expensive new (2% discount off list from memory) compared with the R8 where you could easily get 10% off. I drove the M4 as part of a BMW M sport driving experience event here in N.Ireland. Cars were brought over from England by BMW UK and you drive around a fixed road route with ~6 others, maybe 40 miles and change car every 10 minutes. It wasn't raining but the roads were damp and I struggled a bit with the turbo-charged power delivery. But then I experience the same last week in a new Carrera 2 GTS, so it's probably me and not the car. I drove 6 or 7 Porsches at a porsche experience day at a local short track at Nutt's Corner. As with BMW, they bring them over from GB, then run 2 or 4 half day sessions. It was ~2015 coincided with the 991.2 launch. I drove a 981 GTS (good fun but lacking in torque) C4S, C2S, Turbo S, Cayenne something with a big **** off petrol engine and I think a Panamera, not sure about that. The 991.2 didn't win me over like the .1 GTS did, I found it very accomplished but a bit bland. More torque than the .1 but less noise. The biggest surprise of the day was the Cayenne - for the size of the thing it was a flying machine and cornered so well. I think it must have had PDCC. Only when braking did I really notice the extra weight and had to adjust braking point accordingly. Sorry off topic! Between the 3 cars in question, in terms of how impressed I was at the time of the drive, I'd probably say 991.1 GTS. 9/10 992.2 C2/4S 6/10 M4 Comp 6/10 Some others : M5 (at the same BMW event) 8/10 My R8, aside from the driving position, 10/10

Stephen-733s2 said: mikeh501 said: I’d go 3.8 gts all day long over the later 3.0 just on noise tbh. Owned one for 5 years and still miss it. As above you need to be on it to keep up with the later car but the engine is more rewarding. Also, the 3.8mhas proved to be pretty reliable, not so much the 3.0 cars Thanks Mike. Did you find it quick enough? I owned two of them, one in Voodoo Blue. Yummy. Easily quick enough. A lovely high-revving NA engine and just wonderfully balanced. 2wd coupe is the way to go. I hear good things about the manual, but I loved the PDK. I still smile thinking about it. At no time did I wish that it was a quicker car.

Is it fast enough… yes, but only when your on it, and when your on it I mean 5-7k rpm and it’s as rapid as anything else on most roads. Straight drag race, it will hold its own but it’s not going to show heels to an m5 or quadrafoglio at all. If your bimbling and want a in gear ‘torque’ overtake you will be disappointed, but be actually driving in the right gear up the revs it’s really rewarding. I swopped it for a 991.2 GT3, which is like the 991.1 GTS wound upto 11. Still loved the old GTS, great car and future classic; borne out by the excellent residuals.

Thanks very much, everyone. Really looking forward to the test drive now!

mikeh501 said: Is it fast enough… yes, but only when your on it, and when your on it I mean 5-7k rpm and it’s as rapid as anything else on most roads. Straight drag race, it will hold its own but it’s not going to show heels to an m5 or quadrafoglio at all. If your bimbling and want a in gear ‘torque’ overtake you will be disappointed, but be actually driving in the right gear up the revs it’s really rewarding. I swopped it for a 991.2 GT3, which is like the 991.1 GTS wound upto 11. Still loved the old GTS, great car and future classic; borne out by the excellent residuals. Yup, I quite liked that. I didn't want it to be "out of kilter with everything else" quick. The other thing about the .2, is that it didn't feel a solid in internal materials, or as well screwed together. But the .2 I test drove may have been a Friday car.

mikeh501 said: I’d go 3.8 gts all day long over the later 3.0 just on noise tbh. Owned one for 5 years and still miss it. As above you need to be on it to keep up with the later car but the engine is more rewarding. Also, the 3.8mhas proved to be pretty reliable, not so much the 3.0 cars This, every day of the week and twice on Sundays. The NA 3.8l has to be worked to get into the power band but it is plenty fast enough. If the OP wants something that will be torquey lower down then the 3.0T 991.2 engine is probably the way to go, but personally I would always prefer the 3.8l NA engine.

I don’t mind having to rev it to get the power, just so long as it’s quick when you do.

Stephen-733s2 said: I don’t mind having to rev it to get the power, just so long as it’s quick when you do. It's no Sandero.

LOL!!

I’ve had many (e.g. E46, E90, F80) M3s and 911s (e.g. 996, 997, 991j ) - amongst loads of other cars! I’ll probably get flamed for saying this, but the acceleration on cooking 911 models are tad boring compared to say the F80 M3. The 911 is far easier to get the power down with the weight over the rear and it has quite a linear feel to the power delivery, so it doesn’t feel as rewarding to wring out the power like the M3 with its twitchy back end even on a straight ! Depends what you’re after, but unless I was going for a GT3 or Turbo, and in the absence of taking the car on the track or peddling very quickly around corners, you’ll soon start to think I’m making compromises with the 911 for not much more drama / excitement, Obviously the 911 looks lovely, it has the heritage and brand etc. but in recent years I have never felt they were as special as the once were. I think it’s because as a brand Porsche are so common now, it’s become like a bmw of yesteryear. Drive one though, some people are absolutely smitten with them, so maybe you’ll click and feel the same. Edited by NRG1976 on Tuesday 21st January 21:42

Thanks NRG. That’s a bit worrying. Hopefully I find it justifies the price increase, or if not it will be back to the drawing board.

Stephen-733s2 said: Thanks NRG. That’s a bit worrying. Hopefully I find it justifies the price increase, or if not it will be back to the drawing board. I think the V10 plus would get the hairs up on the back of your neck - the super car looks / presence (I know it’s subjective but I think they look special in the flesh), rapid acceleration and the v10 engine sound ! I still have my f80 m3 and will probably never sell it, but I’m tempted to put a v10 plus in the stable too (I’m bouncing around between a Ferrari Cali, a 570s or Emiera) Try them and you’ll know quickly which ones work for you - all very nice cars.

I wouldn’t be hung up on which one is fastest, all the car you are talking about have to be used very conservatively to stay within speed limits. I don’t know where you live but the all the road within a radius of 20 miles of my house are all very congested and have speed cameras all over the place, there is also no shortage of busybodies with dash cams who would be very happy to give footage to the plod of heroic overtake manoeuvres. I would be more focused on the overall ownership experience rather than just speed, but that’s me. If you are regularly tracking, well that’s a different matter. Just my opinion of course.;) Edited by jh001 on Tuesday 21st January 21:57

Probably just go out and drive a few, everyone will have their own views.

Not exactly the same, but we have a 991.1 GTS PDK and an auto M240i. The feedback here reflects my thoughts. Even compared to the 240, the GTS feels less urgent below 3k revs and in normal mode. As the revs rise it comes alive and keeps going. On the occasions I push the kickdown it really flies. Every time I do this I am surprised again at the pace and the noise. Glorious. First time I did this with my wife in the car she commented “that’s horrible, it’s very violent and it sounded like the engine was going to explode” Take that as a compliment. M4 v GTS book 0-62 times are very similar but the GTS is probably helped by being able to put the power down. The GTS is an extremely competent and enjoyable car. I found the longer I’ve owned it the more I enjoy it. Give one a go and see what you think.

Thanks guys. Very valid points to be fair. I’ll report back on Saturday after the test drive.

Bit of budget creep, bit of model creep, but have you thought about one of these? https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202208229... You wouldn’t have to worry about it having a bit of pace, and some to spare…

Yes I did think of it. But reviews say they’re not as enjoyable a drive as the GTS. Very very fast, but not much involvement?

BlackTails said: This, every day of the week and twice on Sundays. The NA 3.8l has to be worked to get into the power band but it is plenty fast enough. If the OP wants something that will be torquey lower down then the 3.0T 991.2 engine is probably the way to go, but personally I would always prefer the 3.8l NA engine. Stage 1 map can sharpen up the low down torque.

Stephen-733s2 said: Yes I did think of it. But reviews say they’re not as enjoyable a drive as the GTS. Very very fast, but not much involvement? I think you’ll find the GTS will not fee fast after a turbo based M car and you’lll miss the thump of the turbos. The NA sounds sound glorious though. The turbo will be much more up your street I think and drives just as well as the GTS without the harsh ride. The alternatives is a 991.2 S which will feel fast enough and have the better infotainment etc

Thanks boss. I’ll add that to the test drive list.

I can give you real world acceleration feedback. I sold my F82 M4 to buy a 991.1 GTS, mainly because of the sound, but it was somewhat pedestrian in comparison unless you were pushing the revs everywhere, which isn't a good look. I bought a 991.2 GTS and subsequently had a 992.1 GTS (during this period most of my mates had F82 M4's., some tuned. Overview of real world M4 faster than 991.1 and far more driveable due to low down torque Tuned M4 (stage 1) embarrasses a 991.1 991.2 faster than M4 991.2 and Stage1 M4 neck and neck, the 991.2 edges it as power delivery better and it puts the power down. 992.1 literally eats all the above.. I suspect the 992.2 will do the same again.

Thanks a lot. That was my concern too. Might be a case of saving for a bit longer to get what I actually want. Thank you.

Have a look at a Turbo. I get what people mean when they say it is uninvolving, though I’d probably say unexciting. It’s like the best ever white food or power tool you could hope to own. Apart from a turbo S there is nothing more effective at getting from A to B in the shortest possible time in any conceivable weather. I said recently on here that it is the perfect second special car - have something alongside it that is raw and exciting and you’ve covered all the bases. It is though in it own right an amazing piece of kit, just amazing in a very specific way.

Thanks BlackTails. Could well mean more saving

BlackTails said: Have a look at a Turbo. I get what people mean when they say it is uninvolving, though I’d probably say unexciting. It’s like the best ever white food or power tool you could hope to own. Apart from a turbo S there is nothing more effective at getting from A to B in the shortest possible time in any conceivable weather. I said recently on here that it is the perfect second special car - have something alongside it that is raw and exciting and you’ve covered all the bases. It is though in it own right an amazing piece of kit, just amazing in a very specific way. This is almost what I would say but I don't find the Turbo unexciting or uninvolving, I cherish every opportuntity to get behind the wheel. It is simply put the most accomplished car I have ever driven it does everything brilliantly no matter where. It is a great touring car (the wife loves it and can drive it if absolutley necessary ), incredibly quick, planted, comfotable and not insanely thirsty. As will as a great point and squirt car for a weekend drive it's when you spend a long time with it that you appreciate all it's capabilities. I'm lucky to have a raw TVR too which is very different but I'd happily take either.

Thanks Stever. Which iteration of Turbo do you have please?

I am also now considering a 991.1 GTS to add to my BGTS 4.0 and Macan GTS. I have always loved the look of the 991 and being the last N/A carsas long as the price isn't crazy, it's not a high mileage example and remains being very well looked after, are these likely to hold their value and even maybe one of the 911 generation/models that becomes sought after in a few years?

JurassicGTS said: I am also now considering a 991.1 GTS to add to my BGTS 4.0 and Macan GTS. I have always loved the look of the 991 and being the last N/A carsas long as the price isn't crazy, it's not a high mileage example and remains being very well looked after, are these likely to hold their value and even maybe one of the 911 generation/models that becomes sought after in a few years? The 991.1 GTS is a great car, although I doubt a few years will change much pricewise, suspect its still got some downwards movement in price, but in the end I think its a good candidate to hold better than the average 991.

JurassicGTS said: I am also now considering a 991.1 GTS to add to my BGTS 4.0 and Macan GTS. I have always loved the look of the 991 and being the last N/A carsas long as the price isn't crazy, it's not a high mileage example and remains being very well looked after, are these likely to hold their value and even maybe one of the 911 generation/models that becomes sought after in a few years? Always the million dollar question! When I was looking late 23 into early 24 a colleague's .1 GTS was up for c£80k. I think that would be late £60's now. Maybe just because I take more note now I have one, but there does seem to be a growing momentum of talk about the .1 GTS being one to watch having the last non GT N/A engine, mechanically robust, pick of the bunch etc. The Intercooler interview with Paragon summing it up well. My view, still a little to drop. Good cars to plateau at £60k then outliers (manual or low miles) positioned above that. All it takes is a few of these to sell at what appears a silly price (like when Hexagon started focussing on 997 GTS) then the market starts rising.

Stephen-733s2 said: Thanks a lot. That was my concern too. Might be a case of saving for a bit longer to get what I actually want. Thank you. Power wise it's: - 991.1 GTS: 430bhp - 991.2 GTS: 450bhp - F82 M4: 450bhp It sounds like acceleration is really important to you, and hp for hp turbocharged cars always seem faster than their NA equivalents - it's the area under the curve that matters (#). However you will always lose out on sound compared to the NA flat sixes - they sound awesome and feel unburstable all the way to the redline. You've started from a pretty high bar as those F82 M4s are flying, so I think the 991.2 GTS will be the one you want, despite the fact I think you'll adore redlining the NA 3.8. They aren't as fast, but they are so visceral and exciting. Can you resist the sledgehammer shove of the twin turbo .2 ? (#) There are videos online of a 991.2 GTS outrunning a 991.2 GT3 to 125mph/200kph, and the latter has 50bhp more.

Maxus said: Always the million dollar question! When I was looking late 23 into early 24 a colleague's .1 GTS was up for c£80k. I think that would be late £60's now. Maybe just because I take more note now I have one, but there does seem to be a growing momentum of talk about the .1 GTS being one to watch having the last non GT N/A engine, mechanically robust, pick of the bunch etc. The Intercooler interview with Paragon summing it up well. My view, still a little to drop. Good cars to plateau at £60k then outliers (manual or low miles) positioned above that. All it takes is a few of these to sell at what appears a silly price (like when Hexagon started focussing on 997 GTS) then the market starts rising. Thanks, given these will most likely need the 10 year service this year, any idea of the cost at an OPC?

JurassicGTS said: Maxus said: Always the million dollar question! When I was looking late 23 into early 24 a colleague's .1 GTS was up for c£80k. I think that would be late £60's now. Maybe just because I take more note now I have one, but there does seem to be a growing momentum of talk about the .1 GTS being one to watch having the last non GT N/A engine, mechanically robust, pick of the bunch etc. The Intercooler interview with Paragon summing it up well. My view, still a little to drop. Good cars to plateau at £60k then outliers (manual or low miles) positioned above that. All it takes is a few of these to sell at what appears a silly price (like when Hexagon started focussing on 997 GTS) then the market starts rising. Thanks, given these will most likely need the 10 year service this year, any idea of the cost at an OPC? The 10 year service is normally a smaller one (no plugs). I need to do some phoning around for mine and am anticipating something around £800. It sounds like OPC prices have shot up over the last few years. A specialist is probably c£400.

JurassicGTS said: I am also now considering a 991.1 GTS to add to my BGTS 4.0 and Macan GTS. I have always loved the look of the 991 and being the last N/A carsas long as the price isn't crazy, it's not a high mileage example and remains being very well looked after, are these likely to hold their value and even maybe one of the 911 generation/models that becomes sought after in a few years? It's a gamble, and whilst its not apples for apples, the Ferrari 458's value will always best the 488 for example. The lower down you go the spec/status game I imagine the less the effect, but for me I'd wager history would show that character outweighs outright stats/pace....and in that regards the NA units and their character will best the later FI units. Either way you're not going t lose your shirt, either way you have a superb car, its just small percentages of preference, sound/character vs pace... For me the 991 looks better inside and out too... its always subjective...

To give you some real life numbers, this is my old car. 2015 991.1 GTS coupe 2wd with the right options. Bought retail from an indie in April 2018 w/ 19k miles for £84,950 Sold as trade (with 37kmls) in against a new one at an indie October 2023 for £67,500 Car was retailed by them for £72,000 and sold same week. My math says 3k a year in depreciation; i.e. naff all.

Not a fan of black, but goddam that IS well specced.... "all" GTS come/came with black wheels didn't they? as standard? so to alter that is the first thing I'd do.... and then some subtle side stripes.. yep that's lovely all round that is. Just noticed the even subtle'er bonnet/roof stripes! ...on board with that too!

GTS could have champagne coloured wheels. Rare, but a friend has them on his. Mine are standard-old black.

Standard options in the brochure, all at no cost, are black centre locks or black or silver Carrera S wheels.

mikeh501 said: To give you some real life numbers, this is my old car. 2015 991.1 GTS coupe 2wd with the right options. Bought retail from an indie in April 2018 w/ 19k miles for £84,950 Sold as trade (with 37kmls) in against a new one at an indie October 2023 for £67,500 Car was retailed by them for £72,000 and sold same week. My math says 3k a year in depreciation; i.e. naff all. Beautiful looking......do you miss her and I am curious as to what you got to replace her.

Thanks for the kind words, and I do miss the car. It literary did it all tbh, and I think the exhaust noise probably is one of the best they’ve done. All GTS had black wheels, and given it was a black car I felt it was too much. I had Porsche wolf’s repaint them Weiss gold, the gt2rs colour iirc. The stripes are Matt black 911R stripes, and I removed the side stripes and script as maybe a little OTT. All supplied by Highgate house. There was only one car which got my interest tbh, and only one upgrade. No interest in the turbo models and wanted the NA noise…. And it looks like I have a thing for gold wheels lol. It was just the right car, I didn’t go looking for another black one!

rawenghey said: Stephen-733s2 said: Thanks a lot. That was my concern too. Might be a case of saving for a bit longer to get what I actually want. Thank you. Power wise it's: - 991.1 GTS: 430bhp - 991.2 GTS: 450bhp - F82 M4: 450bhp It sounds like acceleration is really important to you, and hp for hp turbocharged cars always seem faster than their NA equivalents - it's the area under the curve that matters (#). However you will always lose out on sound compared to the NA flat sixes - they sound awesome and feel unburstable all the way to the redline. You've started from a pretty high bar as those F82 M4s are flying, so I think the 991.2 GTS will be the one you want, despite the fact I think you'll adore redlining the NA 3.8. They aren't as fast, but they are so visceral and exciting. Can you resist the sledgehammer shove of the twin turbo .2 ? (#) There are videos online of a 991.2 GTS outrunning a 991.2 GT3 to 125mph/200kph, and the latter has 50bhp more. I do enjoy it, yes. Even as a kid I used to look forward to going on holiday so I could feel the rush of the aeroplane taking off! The fact I’ve had the M4 experience now, I don’t think I’d be happy with anything slower. Obviously, better noise, handling, interior, looks, sense of occasion are all important or what’s the point in spending roughly 3 times what you can get an F82 M4 for? I think I need to test drive a GTS .1, Turbo .1 and a GTS .2 and see where I get to. Thanks again for everyone’s input.

Quickmoose said: It's a gamble, and whilst its not apples for apples, the Ferrari 458's value will always best the 488 for example. The lower down you go the spec/status game I imagine the less the effect, but for me I'd wager history would show that character outweighs outright stats/pace....and in that regards the NA units and their character will best the later FI units. Either way you're not going t lose your shirt, either way you have a superb car, its just small percentages of preference, sound/character vs pace... For me the 991 looks better inside and out too... its always subjective... Thanks @Quickmoose, the search begins. Now the decision is low mileage/owner higher price or higher mileage/owners lower price. Whilst the 2nd group of cars on A/T all seem to have been looked after, longer term and future resale going for the former probably makes sense as long as the financial gap isn't huge.

Hmm I’ve never dipped a toe in the financials of these things…. I mean it helps that my choice is rare, but they are there to be driven and enjoyed imo…. To hell with future values, I’m living for now not for then… It’s a funny one though because ultimate lower mileage to me means a car sat having done nothing, and that brings about its own issues…. I reckon 5000 miles a year and as few owners as possible…

Quickmoose said: Hmm I’ve never dipped a toe in the financials of these things…. I mean it helps that my choice is rare, but they are there to be driven and enjoyed imo…. To hell with future values, I’m living for now not for then… It’s a funny one though because ultimate lower mileage to me means a car sat having done nothing, and that brings about its own issues…. I reckon 5000 miles a year and as few owners as possible… Depends on how wealthy you are as to whether you worry about the residuals of a car or not…if money is no object of course you wouldn’t care about future values…

No I don’t care because I’m not wealthy… at all. I had one opportunity to get a dream, I took it, and I’ll never sell. Value could tank or could soar. I’m not interested… but yeah a very specific and personal situation…

Quickmoose said: No I don’t care because I’m not wealthy… at all. I had one opportunity to get a dream, I took it, and I’ll never sell. Value could tank or could soar. I’m not interested… but yeah a very specific and personal situation… Totally agree, proper approach to car enjoyment, hate to be one of those who are happy when they are on the up or loosing nothing then s tting themselves when they start to depreciate.

Youforreal. said: Totally agree, proper approach to car enjoyment, hate to be one of those who are happy when they are on the up or loosing nothing then s tting themselves when they start to depreciate. Also agree with that sentiment...heck I bought a BGTS 4.0 new, and have put over 10k miles on it in just over a year, doing IOM, Alps Tour and soon Southern Ireland Tour. However as this will be as an addition to the BGTS and possibly my Macan GTS the same decision process needs to happen, I.e. low mileage/owners/higher price or higher mileage/owners/lower cost. We all make these decisions about everything we buy, what is the best value to the individual. Maybe the decision should be reworded. Similar spec cars well looked after. 20k 3 owners FPSH respected Indi dealer warranty 60k 6 owners FPSH Porsche extended warranty Is the first worth 10k more than the second, that is the question for me to decide! Edited by JurassicGTS on Monday 27th January 08:28 Edited by JurassicGTS on Monday 27th January 08:33

That'd be a yes from me. 40k difference = 4-8 years of motoring (the £10k extra is now spread over those years = £2500 - £1250 a year more) half as many owners, all taking more care, owning it for longer, because they loved it more... (that's my thinking anyway) Edited by Quickmoose on Monday 27th January 08:58

Ignoring the anomaly of the last 5 years, cars generally depreciate heavily and that is the cost of driving pleasure. BMW, Bentley, Aston, McLaren owners etc already know this and have endured it forever. Porsche has just been a bit immune for a while, but normality is returning. Two examples of how it used to be from the early 2000s; I bought a lhd 993RS for £38k and sold it after a couple of years enjoyment for £34k and thought I'd had cheap motoring. I bought a UK 996 GT2 Clubsport for £83k (it had already lost 35% of it's value from new over 2 years), then spent £60k at Ruf on it and sold it for £54k about 4 years later. Porsche is now pumping out 992.2s at £150k into a finance constrained world, when the pleasure and experience of 991.2s is around a third of that and not that dissimilar to many people in looks as well as driving. Normality has resumed.

Quickmoose said: That'd be a yes from me. 40k difference = 4-8 years of motoring (the £10k extra is now spread over those years = £2500 - £1250 a year more) half as many owners, all taking more care, owning it for longer, because they loved it more... (that's my thinking anyway) Edited by Quickmoose on Monday 27th January 08:58 that is probably where I am leaning to.

Guyr said: Ignoring the anomaly of the last 5 years, cars generally depreciate heavily and that is the cost of driving pleasure. BMW, Bentley, Aston, McLaren owners etc already know this and have endured it forever. Porsche has just been a bit immune for a while, but normality is returning. Two examples of how it used to be from the early 2000s; I bought a lhd 993RS for £38k and sold it after a couple of years enjoyment for £34k and thought I'd had cheap motoring. I bought a UK 996 GT2 Clubsport for £83k (it had already lost 35% of it's value from new over 2 years), then spent £60k at Ruf on it and sold it for £54k about 4 years later. Porsche is now pumping out 992.2s at £150k into a finance constrained world, when the pleasure and experience of 991.2s is around a third of that and not that dissimilar to many people in looks as well as driving. Normality has resumed. Spending money you know your not going to get back in order to enjoy your car more, that’s what I’m talking about, hats off, I’ve done the exact same with ever car I’ve owned. I asked a guy on the, ‘lots of new Porsches available’ about his Porsche ownership, said me has owned multiple gt and rs products and is now pissing about the last two years looking a car talking about discounts. Nobody likes to loose a load of cash but I find when you are really enjoying and owning a car that never comes into it. Honestly think the real enthusiast that Porsche used to attract is probably less than 20% now, i honestly think for most buyers nowadays they are a peacock product. Interest rates and rrp prices seem to have shook things up for sure. Edited by Youforreal. on Monday 27th January 10:45

Quite a bit of truth there. For some, every situation is an opportunity for success. Self made people, driven people...always searching for more and better. Honestly, hats off to you. Without you I wouldn't get to see or experience anywhere near the amount of gorgeous exotica that I have. I am not driven I've not experienced much success in my 52 years.... not much at all actually...dusty... erm... but from a far back as I can remember I've lusted after beautiful cars of all types and Porsches in particular. I've got what I've got, I love it more than is strictly appropriate for a man made thing... And as sad and wholly materialistic as it sounds, I can die happy(er) now...

Stephen-733s2 said: Thanks Stever. Which iteration of Turbo do you have please? Mine is a 2017 which makes it a 991.2 Turbo S cab. if you plan longer euro tours which is certainly an intended use for this car, 18 way seats, radar cruise, Burmester are v hepful and front lift was incredibly useful into French vllage car parks. Picture attached as I love looking at it, this was at the top of Mount Ventoux in Provence last year

Stever said: Mine is a 2017 which makes it a 991.2 Turbo S cab. if you plan longer euro tours which is certainly an intended use for this car, 18 way seats, radar cruise, Burmester are v hepful and front lift was incredibly useful into French vllage car parks. Picture attached as I love looking at it, this was at the top of Mount Ventoux in Provence last year

Stever said: Stephen-733s2 said: Thanks Stever. Which iteration of Turbo do you have please? Mine is a 2017 which makes it a 991.2 Turbo S cab. if you plan longer euro tours which is certainly an intended use for this car, 18 way seats, radar cruise, Burmester are v hepful and front lift was incredibly useful into French vllage car parks. Picture attached as I love looking at it, this was at the top of Mount Ventoux in Provence last year That looks stunning!

thank you, I simply adore it and the way it goes about all of it's business. Looks, going, stopping, handling, comfort, equipment, practicality, reliabilty are all 10/10 for me. Sound (in Sport mode) is 8/10 is has a muted pop and crackle but i have another shouty car so that's fine. It has decent range we averaged 26.1 mpg over 2011 miles average speed was 46mph, 45 hours driving and HQ did 1 of those

Your comment on mpg reminded me how amazing the 3.8 GTS can be when bimbling on the motorway. Certainly a do it all car

Stever said: thank you, I simply adore it and the way it goes about all of it's business. Looks, going, stopping, handling, comfort, equipment, practicality, reliabilty are all 10/10 for me. Sound (in Sport mode) is 8/10 is has a muted pop and crackle but i have another shouty car so that's fine. It has decent range we averaged 26.1 mpg over 2011 miles average speed was 46mph, 45 hours driving and HQ did 1 of those Highly acceptable.

mikeh501 said: Your comment on mpg reminded me how amazing the 3.8 GTS can be when bimbling on the motorway. Certainly a do it all car Haha, I literally thought that was my photo!

Do I win a prize ? 😂

My GTS i picked up at the end of last year. The guys at Silverstone couldn't believe i wanted the wheels changed from black to silver.

Classy

OPC Chester did mine in Satin Platinum. Edited by JJ77 on Wednesday 29th January 02:12

mikeh501 said: Your comment on mpg reminded me how amazing the 3.8 GTS can be when bimbling on the motorway. Certainly a do it all car I was suprised when I took my 991 3.8 (not a GTS) to France this year to see a very decent MPG when cruising at 130kph. It's not why I bought it, but appreciated it all the same.

Maxus said: mikeh501 said: Your comment on mpg reminded me how amazing the 3.8 GTS can be when bimbling on the motorway. Certainly a do it all car Haha, I literally thought that was my photo! If only!

I did the same on mine, I swapped my GTS for a GT3 at Gravelwood hence the photo off their website.

LemonTart said: I did the same on mine, I swapped my GTS for a GT3 at Gravelwood hence the photo off their website. I went the other way! i had a GT3 and loved it, but a house renovation meant i had nowhere to keep it and it wouldn't be getting used. I sold it on via RPM with the intention of getting back into one but my wife got pregnant during all of this and i decided i wanted a car we could all go out in at times. It wont replace the GT3 (i will get back into one at some point) but i am enjoying being able to use the car every day for even the most boring tasks.

ahh this silver/platinum wheel love-in is making my day!

That White GT3 said: My GTS i picked up at the end of last year. The guys at Silverstone couldn't believe i wanted the wheels changed from black to silver. Silver looks 1000x better

Think apex make a fantastic looking cl wheel that suits the gts.

Carrera 4 GTS 3.8 I specced this new in 2015 in preference to a Turbo S. Had the wheels refinished during lockdown. Fantastic car. I would sell my 992 GT3 before this but they are completely different animalsi

Quickmoose said: ahh this silver/platinum wheel love-in is making my day! Agree, tried to buy a F12 last year, looked stunning on Silver Wheels.. there are some great wheel designs that are lost with black paint.

JurassicGTS said: Quickmoose said: That'd be a yes from me. 40k difference = 4-8 years of motoring (the £10k extra is now spread over those years = £2500 - £1250 a year more) half as many owners, all taking more care, owning it for longer, because they loved it more... (that's my thinking anyway) Edited by Quickmoose on Monday 27th January 08:58 that is probably where I am leaning to. .03.11.2016 – Porsche Centre – 8509 miles 15.10.2020 – BMR Performance specialists – 16,121 miles 22.01.2025 – Porsche Centre – 20,552 miles Hmmm! 3 owners but service history!!! would this be an absolute no-no? Edited by JurassicGTS on Wednesday 29th January 16:51

Decent numbers imo...

Quickmoose said: Decent numbers imo... 4 years and 8k miles between services?

JurassicGTS said: .03.11.2016 – Porsche Centre – 8509 miles 15.10.2020 – BMR Performance specialists – 16,121 miles 22.01.2025 – Porsche Centre – 20,552 miles Hmmm! 3 owners but service history!!! would this be an absolute no-no? Edited by JurassicGTS on Wednesday 29th January 16:51 Eeesh not good. Avoid. You got the receipts for those services, as I’d guess it’s missing service items too. It’s obviously missing 2018 entirely, 2022 and 2024 is late. This is the schedule (2wd/non pddc). Edited by mikeh501 on Wednesday 29th January 20:05 Edited by mikeh501 on Wednesday 29th January 20:05

That White GT3 said: My GTS i picked up at the end of last year. The guys at Silverstone couldn't believe i wanted the wheels changed from black to silver. I can't believe how good this looks with the silver wheels. And Crayon is probably one of the colours that black wheels look best on. Mine has the 5 stud Carrera S wheels in black. I don't like black wheels but fear losing the GTSness with a change. A no brainer with the CLs. Ultimately, I want a set of the 50th Anniversary Sport Classics but that's a c£7k job.

mikeh501 said: Eeesh not good. Avoid. You got the receipts for those services, as I’d guess it’s missing service items too. It’s obviously missing 2018 entirely, 2022 and 2024 is late. This is the schedule (2wd/non pddc). oh...er yes... it doesn't read that well does it... A useful negotiation tool then... it would need the official warranty in place for me.

Is there anywhere that can identify how many 991.1 GTS cars were sold by year and by colour?

JurassicGTS said: Is there anywhere that can identify how many 991.1 GTS cars were sold by year and by colour? Just found this from a marque related forum from 2021, so presume there are probably a few less today. They really are a rare beast. Latest DVLA stats appear to reflect: 991.1 Series 3.8 NA engine 991.1 4 GTS Manual - 28 991.1 4 GTS PDK - 327 991.1 GTS Manual - 115 991.1 GTS PDK - 764 991.1 Targa4 GTS Manual - 5 991.1 Targa4 GTS PDK - 89

Maxus said: I can't believe how good this looks with the silver wheels. And Crayon is probably one of the colours that black wheels look best on. Mine has the 5 stud Carrera S wheels in black. I don't like black wheels but fear losing the GTSness with a change. A no brainer with the CLs. Ultimately, I want a set of the 50th Anniversary Sport Classics but that's a c£7k job. I looked pretty good with black wheels but given how nice the wheels are i think black hides them, and coming from a GT3 i just thought it looked a little more 'motorsport' with silver rims. Before for reference:

In case of interest… https://9werks.co.uk/articles/porsche-991-2-carrer... Think I agree re pdk being better for the .2 gts. Also some pics of another with the wheels painted silver, on gt silver.

That White GT3 said: I looked pretty good with black wheels but given how nice the wheels are i think black hides them, and coming from a GT3 i just thought it looked a little more 'motorsport' with silver rims. Before for reference: Is that Ice Grey Metallic?

Looking at the original dates of the cars being listed on AT, these do seem to be hanging around with some advertised since October 24 and one has an original listing of 2023! Is it that the market considers them over priced currently or that there isn't the appetite for them?

RichT001 said: Is that Ice Grey Metallic? Crayon.

JurassicGTS said: Looking at the original dates of the cars being listed on AT, these do seem to be hanging around with some advertised since October 24 and one has an original listing of 2023! Is it that the market considers them over priced currently or that there isn't the appetite for them? Not super surprised they're hanging around a bit. £80k for a decent 991.2 GTS which will be 7-8 years old and with very well documented turbo issues (albeit fixed under warranty) feels expensive. There's a lot of very nice stuff at that price. I guess they are great all rounders, but you'd still have to really want one.

Thanks for the silver wheel pictures. Mine is Carmine with black wheels and I've often thought of silver - this is really helpful!

That White GT3 said: I looked pretty good with black wheels but given how nice the wheels are i think black hides them, and coming from a GT3 i just thought it looked a little more 'motorsport' with silver rims. Before for reference: Do you know if that decklid spoiler is the "Sport Design" one? I've always wanted that but I'm not sure exactly what it's called.

willisit said: Do you know if that decklid spoiler is the "Sport Design" one? I've always wanted that but I'm not sure exactly what it's called. Yes its part of the sports design pack.

Soon to be on my driveway, I can't collect until late March as out of the country but collection day will now coincide with my big birthday

Gorgeous! congrats!...you know what happens to that in April don't you? to the wheels I mean....

JurassicGTS said: Soon to be on my driveway, I can't collect until late March as out of the country but collection day will now coincide with my big birthday Very nice, GTS in any form looks good, but a 991.1 is one of my favorites...

Quickmoose said: Gorgeous! congrats!...you know what happens to that in April don't you? to the wheels I mean....

Very nice, looks great. Just in time for the better weather. Enjoy

Rennsport Reunion Edition GTS 1 of only 25 in Fashion Grey Lovely huh https://www.elferspot.com/en/car/porsche-991-carre...

Lovely one listed today. One of only 2 (out of 30) in GR with PCCBs https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202606183...

Richard Atwood was selling the one he was given a few years ago, pal of mine knows him. Nice car, saw the Boue version at Le Mans last week, can’t recall which driver that one was for. Anyone?

ellroy said: Richard Atwood was selling the one he was given a few years ago, pal of mine knows him. Nice car, saw the Boue version at Le Mans last week, can t recall which driver that one was for. Anyone? Derek Bell Edition There were 10 × Guards Red Richard Attwood (#23) 10 × Sapphire Blue Metallic Derek Bell (#1) 10 × Carrera White Metallic Nick Tandy (#19) The Richard Attwood one is the most sought-after due to commemorating Porsche's first Le Mans win. Being one of only 2 with PCCBs then its a unicorn amongst a pack of unicorns Edited by Jones the cat on Thursday 18th June 22:08

Thanks! Could recall Tandy, but how did I forget Derek Bell?!