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Jury found many people liable including Porsche ( minor participant...$300k fine), but it set the direction and now all cars have stability control.
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Thought most cars these days had systems and set ups to prevent this, especially £300,000 Porsches.
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mikem7709 said:
He was a real petrol head and did loads for charity. Very sad but I guess he died doing what he loved.
I'd settle for quietly in my sleep.
It can be a tricky car to drive, but I would not have called it dangerous.It the kind of car that needs respect and warm tires though. My impression is that sometimes people jump in on cold rubber and let the thing rip. I have no idea of the circumstances in this case, but having driven a CGT fairly hard, (but not at the level of a professional driver), I found it to be a very exciting ,communicative car. Very sad news about the driver and passenger.
mollytherocker said:
We dont know the actual cause yet, and of course may never do. It could be a puncture or something else that the driver had no control of.
This ^
Irrespective of the how's and why's, it's a tragic waste of a life.
I think it fair to say they may have a bit of a reputation. Herr Rohrl said it was "tricky on the limit". He had some fairly big moments during testing. I seem to remember he might have written one/two ? off whilst testing ? (a quick search on Google seems to confirm this)
If Rohrl can pilot a 680hp S1 Quattro up Pikes Peak in under 11 minutes (42 seconds onwards)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8AzQolK_84
and drive basically the same car over the French Alps, often on sheet ice, during the 1986 Monte Carlo rally (won it four times, each time in different cars) (44 seconds onwards)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpIYZUcADA0
you can rest assured, that if he says they're "tricky on the limit", they are.
Alpinestars said:
mollytherocker said:
Does the car have any handling control systems like PSM?
Traction control but no ESP.
Ok thanks, thats what I thought. Last of a kind then.
mollytherocker said:
Ok thanks, thats what I thought. Last of a kind then.
Second last.
Last was the 997.1RS..already in production when the California lawsuit was decided. A guy went out on a track with a CGT and he and his passenger were killed in a track day. No mechanical failures. Jury found many people liable including Porsche ( minor participant...$300k fine), but it set the direction and now all cars have stability control.
Shocked & really sad to hear that both Paul Walker & the driver had passed away .Terrible news for both families to bear .
When I found out they died whilst driving/riding in a GT Carrera I could only help but think that maybe the GT Carrera should now take from the GT2's mantle the notorious ' Widowmaker' name ?
In two minds on whether to enter this debate, but probably worth mentioning that several on here have driven CGTs many thousand miles without incident. It's true that they can be snappy on the limit (on the sport, not supersport tyres) and you definitely have be awake to catch it. I'd question whether a public road is the place to find that limit, but it's tragic nonetheless.
From the pictures I saw at the weekend, the impact must have been pretty heavy, and I'm dubious whether any sort of electronic safety net could have caught it. Overused term, widowmaker.
456mgt said:
In two minds on whether to enter this debate, but probably worth mentioning that several on here have driven CGTs many thousand miles without incident. It's true that they can be snappy on the limit (on the sport, not supersport tyres) and you definitely have be awake to catch it. I'd question whether a public road is the place to find that limit, but it's tragic nonetheless.
From the pictures I saw at the weekend, the impact must have been pretty heavy, and I'm dubious whether any sort of electronic safety net could have caught it. Overused term, widowmaker.
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benny 61 said:
Does anyone have any info on the driver of the GT. Someone at work has said he was a pro driver?
Some info here
http://www.world-challenge.com/drivers/bio.php?nam...
The catching fire bit is horrific. Thought most cars these days had systems and set ups to prevent this, especially £300,000 Porsches.
Saw a picture showing a lamp post or some pole still standing with the main cockpit of the car breached by it. I'd imagine that the mid engined car had very little in front to prevent something like this happening.
Very sad.
Capable, but not perfect. Human.
Nobody knows what caused the accident still, despite there being great big tyre marks on the road.
The marks would determine speed, mechanical failure/puncture etc.
Any car is simply a tool. It only goes fast if you make it go fast.
Allegedly a third of the 1499 made have been involved in an accident and when Porsche sold to the first owners apparently made you sign a disclaimer. Interestingly PSM was available as retrofit.
Callughan said:
Allegedly a third of the 1499 made have been involved in an accident and when Porsche sold to the first owners apparently made you sign a disclaimer. Interestingly PSM was available as retrofit.
There were 1270 made not 1499.... and I flatly do not believe a third of all the GTs made had an accident. Nor have I heard of anyone retrofitting PSM to the car either to be honest, you have a link on a car done that way?
Wrote a article on the CGT a while back, will try to dig out sources. I've heard 1270 and 1250 too. For me the interesting points were that a tiptronic version had been made for Wiedeking and the engine designer also did the 63 for Merc.
Edited by Callughan on Sunday 8th December 00:32
Really sad about Paul Walker, RIP.
Tiptronic would have been nice as it's a pig to get off the line. Also it has a ceramic clutch which is easily damaged if you drop it incorrectly. I've driven one many times as my boss owns one and I get to drive it around the south of France on occasion.
My boss scratched all the side of his but only because it's so wide and he drove it down a narrow street!
Isysman said:
Really sad about Paul Walker, RIP.
Tiptronic would have been nice as it's a pig to get off the line. Also it has a ceramic clutch which is easily damaged if you drop it incorrectly. I've driven one many times as my boss owns one and I get to drive it around the south of France on occasion.
My boss scratched all the side of his but only because it's so wide and he drove it down a narrow street!
Tiptronic on a CGT!!!! Are you drunk man!
mollytherocker said:
Tiptronic on a CGT!!!! Are you drunk man!
Some form of paddle shift such as PDK would have been great. I said tiptronic because PDK didn't exist then. If you'd ever driven it you'd know what I'm talking about, they are like nothing I've ever driven, and I've owned four Porsches myself.
Isysman said:
mollytherocker said:
Tiptronic on a CGT!!!! Are you drunk man!
Some form of paddle shift such as PDK would have been great. I said tiptronic because PDK didn't exist then. If you'd ever driven it you'd know what I'm talking about, they are like nothing I've ever driven, and I've owned four Porsches myself.
A tiptronic box would have totally ruined the cgt imo....
Alpinestars said:
A "normal" clutch would have been sensible. It's a royal PITA to drive on the road.
It is a bit of a pain i admit and definitely needs more concentration from a standing start than should be ideal but after some getting used to it, I thought it was acceptable. How much of the driving experience of the cgt would be lost with a 'normal' clutch though is harder to objectively define I guess as to whether it is worth the trouble.
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