Will the 928 ever be loved? - Page 5 - Porsche General - PistonHeads UK

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/3521756.htm I mean c'mon, 8 large for this! If it was a 993 it would be £25k I love these and in 2012 might not be able to help myself buying one....talk some sense into me.

To be fair, the GTS's have seen a bit of a surge in recent years. Ones that were fetching 8 grand in the past will probably see 15 now, with the best ones anything up to 20-25k S4's are the most common variant and, despite arguably being the pick of the bunch in terms of build and engineering, are a bit unloved because of the 'last of the line' complex

C4SHONEY said: http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/3521756.htm I mean c'mon, 8 large for this! If it was a 993 it would be £25k I love these and in 2012 might not be able to help myself buying one....talk some sense into me. Lee - we got a live one!! Angelus Excellent cars - if only I knew of one shortly for sale..................

I think it looks fabulous. Always loved these and I suspect that in current climate demand for them is not high so you may get it for a lot less.

I would like one with a few more speakers

I would like one with a few more speakers Very good!

C4SHONEY said: http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/3521756.htm I mean c'mon, 8 large for this! If it was a 993 it would be £25k I love these and in 2012 might not be able to help myself buying one....talk some sense into me. Too 'risky business' for me ;-)

i love the 928 its fantastic

My 928S2 cost me £1500 and went like a missile... Best value performance I've ever had! (and sold it a year later for £1750, result...)

6C4GTS said: Lee - we got a live one!! Angelus Excellent cars - if only I knew of one shortly for sale.................. It's true, SWMBO is making me choose which car I keep. If I though I could get that kind of money, it would have been up in the classifieds already.

love them. An early one, withour spoilers and the manual box?? fantastic. And you can felive those Kelly Brock "weird science" scenes.

They are fab things, retro at its very best, yet still fairly capable in a modern context. Sadly, wil always be neglected value wise due to "it's not a 911" syndrome.

Angelus - what are tey like to own/drive?

C4SHONEY said: Angelus - what are they like to own/drive? It has been my dream car and I love it. It is quiet literally breaking my heart having to think about selling it. It is so much fun to drive, I never got left behind on any of the Scotland PH runs, there is plenty of You Tube footage of it out there on the runs. The 5 ltr V8 sounds amazing. £136 a year to insure, £200 to tax and £50 for an MOT. I haven't found any parts that are not available, so DIY maintenance is easy. The support from the 928 UK site is great. If I do sell it, I will buy another one again one day. It's not 100% that I'll be taking the 911 and that I won't be taking the 928 round Europe this year.

Cheers Angelus. Please don't tell me if you sell it, catch me on a weak day and it would be sitting in my drive

Back to the original question the answer is no, its not a 911 so will never be 'loved' as such. Pains me to say that as a long term owner and lover of front engined Pork.

C4SHONEY said: http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/3521756.htm If it was a 993 it would be £25k Yeh, and if it was a Micra it would be £800 and if it was an F40, it might be £200k! Whats your point?!! MTR PS - I like 928's but its not about me, its about the market.

I had an '88 S4 as my daily drive for six years, drove it to Monaco, Holland, Germany and did a few trackdays including the 'Ring. The Old Girl never missed a beat. They need to be used and maintained so not cheap but what is? I used to take mine to Paul Anderson for servicing as he is probably the top 928 man in the country, just a 240 mile round trip but worth the petrol in my mind. The S4 in the add you posted has a GTS rear PU which may suggest it is a replacement. Seriously, get one bought and as someone has already said the guys on 928.org.uk are your lifline

lovely car, especially the GTS with the wider arches. The auto is nice but I prefer the Benz SL because the roof comes down, the manual is nice but I prefer the 911 when I decide DIY is in order.

black 928 on a 'G' plate sits in Giffnock, Glasgow. Oooohh baby, what a beautiful car!

C4SHONEY said: http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/3521756.htm I mean c'mon, 8 large for this! If it was a 993 it would be £25k I love these and in 2012 might not be able to help myself buying one....talk some sense into me. The front engined Porsche day is coming .... just wait a little longer and it will be here.

Wozy68 said: The front engined Porsche day is coming .... just wait a little longer and it will be here. You mean Cayenne values are about to go through the roof?

Joking aside, Nice examples of the 928 are fetching strong money... The problem is finding a nice example

Well I love them, not owned one yet, though. I'd love a GTS for every day use & an early one for some classic (pre '81) motorsport like the Tour Britannia. Must be a reqasonably "cheap" car for an event like that (cheap being a relative term in mpotorsport, of course).

Love them, prefer the early ones without the rubbing strips. Sadly 15k PA and V8's don't go well together this looks nice : http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/3249100.htm

When the 928 was launched I was running a 911 and was invited to view the new car at JCT600's showroom at Yeadon. I arrived and joined the circle of people standing around a beautiful red car. No-one was getting too close and certainly no-one actually dare touch it when a stocky built chap was sandy hair emerged from a door in the corner of the room behind the car, strode up to the back of the car and gave it an almighty kick and carried on walking. Everyone was in shock but of course being "plastic" the rear skirt was unmarked. Point well made and the man doing the kicking was Jack Tordoff himself. Great sales technique but I doubt he would encourage his salesmen to do the same. Unfortunately I couldn't afford one at the time and I've never go around to it since. But, yes, they are a lovely car and if I'd room I'd be very tempted. bsw

i love the clean lines on the very first cars like this http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/3507053.htm DOes anyone know what the very early cars like reliability wise? Looks wise they make the later bespoilered cars look like ugly ducklings

mollytherocker said: Yeh, and if it was a Micra it would be £800 and if it was an F40, it might be £200k! Whats your point?!! MTR PS - I like 928's but its not about me, its about the market. You've obviously not been keeping up with F40 prices . Try £300k-£350k. They were under £200k in the late 90s to early 2000's. Appreciate the analogy though .

IMI A said: i love the clean lines on the very first cars like this http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/3507053.htm DOes anyone know what the very early cars like reliability wise? Looks wise they make the later bespoilered cars look like ugly ducklings They are all very reliable if looked after and exercised regularly. The electrics appear complicated, but in reality are simple to work out with a multimeter and a wiring diagram as they are analogue. The only electronic thing you will find on an early 928 is the ignition module which is similar to a Golf Mk2 GTI

I certainly have a soft spot for the 928. My Dad had one when I was a young lad (he had an S4). He'd had a string of Beemers (ending with a 635CSi), and the 928 felt so far ahead of its time (even at the end of its production life). It probably started my obsession with the brand. I'd never driven one until earlier this year, when I bought a 928 GT, which has a manual gearbox and the hotter cam version of the 5.0 litre engine. I absolutely love driving it - against today's cars it is of course quite soft and you can feel the chassis flexing, but if you adopt the old "slow in fast out" approach it corners with aplomb. The engine is wonderfully smooth and torquey, and I like the combination with a big, old dog-leg gearbox. Touching wood as I say this, but everything works on the car and it will get serviced regularly to stay on top of things. Best of all, it cost very little to buy* (certainly relative to 911s of the era) - I don't really care if it appreciates or not - it is a lot of Porsche for the money and a lot of fun to own. Cheers I did look at GTSs, but they are nearly double the money (and manuals are very rare)- in the end a GT seemed like a much better option.

My affair with the 928 is now in its sixth year and I'm on my third one, a 1979 very early manual car in light blue metallic, no rubbing strips or spoilers... many many modifications such as crank scraper, high comp engine, custom exhaust and a full glass out respray in the original colour. It's getting towards being 'finished' and has 320bhp/320ft lb on Vixpy's dyno. Performance roughly on a par with 996 C2. I scratched a long standing itch this winter and bought a very nice midnight blue 964 C2. I thought this might spell the end of the 928, especially as I love the 911 driving experience. I got back in the 928 after a run in the 964 and started her up. There's no way I can sell it! It's just too good. Very different from a 911, technically superior? In some ways yes (notably ride, ergonomics, NVH and high speed stability). But really choosing between them is like choosing between Burgundy and Bordeaux. Two different things. It would be nice if my "investment" in the '28 saw some sort of return from a price rise, but setting internet bragging rights aside, I'm rather glad that if anything happened to it, I could replace it for such piddling money. Joel

A 928 ( albeit a late model S4 for me please, although the early ones like that one sure are pretty ) has been on my radar for some time. Together with the mid 80's 911, these are IMHO Porsche nirvana. Admit they are not as technically brilliant as the more recent models; but they just appeal to me more for some reason thats difficult to explain. Not sure i would have enough wallet bravery to take on a cheap one - that bag of spanners that Clarkson bought springs to mind, but a low miles, full history one would be bliss. Having nowhere to park one off road at the moment means that its an itch that can't be scratched for the time being, but it will be and hopefully before the prices head north!

I'm really tempted by a 928 and have always loved the looks. Wouldn't sell my 911 but woul have both! I've had a 968 and then went M3 but should have tried a 928. You can't beat a V8 rumble with Porsche looks. If they do ever make a Panamera coupe and give it some 928 hints then they could go up in value. Good condition 944 turbos, 968 CS's and 928 GTS's aren't cheap. Personally I prefer them all to drive than classic 911's the worst being the 1968 911 2.0T I drove. Modern 911's for me but I'd like v8 noise at the same time.

C4SHONEY said: http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/3521756.htm If it was a 993 it would be £25k Yeh, and if it was a Micra it would be £800 and if it was an F40, it might be £200k! Whats your point?!! MTR PS - I like 928's but its not about me, its about the market. Molly - my point, maybe a weak one, is that it is possible for a 928 and a 993 to roll out of the same factory on the same day, the 993 was new considerably less and now the 928 is 1/3rd the money. I think they are undervalued. (never driven one).

C4SHONEY said: http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/3521756.htm If it was a 993 it would be £25k Yeh, and if it was a Micra it would be £800 and if it was an F40, it might be £200k! Whats your point?!! MTR PS - I like 928's but its not about me, its about the market. Molly - my point, maybe a weak one, is that it is possible for a 928 and a 993 to roll out of the same factory on the same day, the 993 was new considerably less and now the 928 is 1/3rd the money. I think they are undervalued. (never driven one).

fastgerman said: I'm really tempted by a 928 and have always loved the looks. Wouldn't sell my 911 but woul have both! I've had a 968 and then went M3 but should have tried a 928. You can't beat a V8 rumble with Porsche looks. If they do ever make a Panamera coupe and give it some 928 hints then they could go up in value. Good condition 944 turbos, 968 CS's and 928 GTS's aren't cheap. Personally I prefer them all to drive than classic 911's the worst being the 1968 911 2.0T I drove. Modern 911's for me but I'd like v8 noise at the same time. If you like the drive of a 996/997 then you really ought to try a sorted 928. As Porsche have evolved the 911 and made it more GT like it really is not that far away from what the 928 was doing 20 years ago. Even the Weissach axle and clever rear wiper which came in with the 993 debuted 20 years earlier in the '28. It was the pinnacle of Porsche design and engineering at the time - just a crying shame they never gave it the 6 litre engine it was originally intended to have.

fastgerman said: I'm really tempted by a 928 and have always loved the looks. Wouldn't sell my 911 but woul have both! I've had a 968 and then went M3 but should have tried a 928. You can't beat a V8 rumble with Porsche looks. If they do ever make a Panamera coupe and give it some 928 hints then they could go up in value. Good condition 944 turbos, 968 CS's and 928 GTS's aren't cheap. Personally I prefer them all to drive than classic 911's the worst being the 1968 911 2.0T I drove. Modern 911's for me but I'd like v8 noise at the same time. If you like the drive of a 996/997 then you really ought to try a sorted 928. As Porsche have evolved the 911 and made it more GT like it really is not that far away from what the 928 was doing 20 years ago. Even the Weissach axle and clever rear wiper which came in with the 993 debuted 20 years earlier in the '28. It was the pinnacle of Porsche design and engineering at the time - just a crying shame they never gave it the 6 litre engine it was originally intended to have.

Before I bought a 996 in 2008 I ran a 928GT for 4 years. It was very nearly depreciation proof, I paid £9750 and sold it four years later for £9000. Compare that to the 996 which I paid £20,000 and has halved. The 928 was always an experience to drive; the noise of the V8 (it's 2 x 944 (or 968) engines in a "V") with an RMB (removed rear box in 928 parlance) was amazing. It had road presence that 996's don't come close to. Practical with a rear hatch (2x mountain bikes were no problem). 200,000 milers are common. And... in the glory days of pistonheads and my 928 ownership there was a character who had installed nitros (wizards of NOS) AND a flux capacitor in order to make it the fastest Porsche in the UK! His 928 auto box was so good it could cope with the humungous n02 rush, but personally I prefer the manual box. Given current prices, I was very tempted to buy my 928 back when it was on the market a few months ago. MPG was not good, but in context better than my V12 runabout. All the best.

Actually, the 928 is well loved by many. Just not valued so highly.

danielw said: Actually, the 928 is well loved by many. Just not valued so highly. ^^^^^this S4s are a bit more electronic,so not the best choice for the diy/driveway enthusiast.S2s can be fixed with a hammer and a spanner.Always worth carrying a few spare relays in the glovebox. All models are heavy on the juice,get yourself a nectar card.

Ive have a soft spot for them - particularly at current prices. Picked this one up in the summer for a couple of grand Body work is tidy enough, there are a few areas of oxidisation, needed new injectors - the linen coloured interior is a bit shabby but Ill fit black carpets, do a rear seat delete and fit some black seats from an MR2 or something similar True love - no, Ill save that for the 996tt im looking for Edited by PMD6 on Wednesday 4th January 04:37

To me the 928 is interesting as I actually like them more now than I did when they were new. Essentially - compared to almost all modern cars it has very clean lines and the dimensions are comparatively much more compact than they were in 1978, yet unlike so many other cars of the era it doesn't actually look terribly dated. Which perhaps explains how it stayed in production for 17 years... Given that some people are still giving these away for £4-7k I really don't see how you could lose with one.

Seeing the stuff on the web porsche has in the pipepline - cajun, new 991 Gtx turbo etc theres no mention of a 2 door Panamera which i thought would be the modern day equivalent of the 928.

I love the 928 its deffinatly a classic, as for owning one like all classics they cost money to keep up to scratch, but even if you need a full engine rebuild it wont cost you as much as the depreciation on a new 911. As for the question will it ever be loved? it is by me

Love them! Go for it

anonymous said: [redacted] In the middle of a full respray in the original "hellblaumetallic", a lovely silver blue which was also the colour of the original press car. At the Nurburgring. This 928 has done around 80 or 90 laps here. I've not been back since having the new exhaust and sticky tyres fitted. The car in the background is Cheburator's 928GT which is converted to a race car and competes in the Future Classics series.

very nice barchetta_boy said: In the middle of a full respray in the original "hellblaumetallic", a lovely silver blue which was also the colour of the original press car. At the Nurburgring. This 928 has done around 80 or 90 laps here. I've not been back since having the new exhaust and sticky tyres fitted. The car in the background is Cheburator's 928GT which is converted to a race car and competes in the Future Classics series.

What do you pay for that quality of respray?

About £4,000 including VAT. I was very pleased with the quality. Dunmow Coachworks in Essex. Highly recommended, no connection etc.

barchetta_boy said: At the Nurburgring. This 928 has done around 80 or 90 laps here. I've not been back since having the new exhaust and sticky tyres fitted. The car in the background is Cheburator's 928GT which is converted to a race car and competes in the Future Classics series. Well I never, is that my very good friend Simon W' in the passenger seat of you car?

honest_delboy said: Seeing the stuff on the web porsche has in the pipepline - cajun, new 991 Gtx turbo etc theres no mention of a 2 door Panamera which i thought would be the modern day equivalent of the 928. In my copy of PP the Panamera Coupe and Economic uncertainty are mentioned in the same paragraph.

I love them but scare stories of engines going bang scared me off. There was one that live around the corner from me in Telford with an aftermaekt exhauast I imagine. It sounded awesome. I imagine they are money pits for some reason. true/false?

Pesty said: I imagine they are money pits for some reason. true/false? False. They mainly go wonky through lack of use. Not at all complicated by today's standards. Keep it serviced/breathed-on by indie specialist and use every day. Simples.

Not that time, but he has been a passenger in it. Good bloke.

barchetta_boy said: Not that time, but he has been a passenger in it. Good bloke. He keeps asking me if I want go over, it's all he thinks about. I missed him when he was up in November, not seen him since we had lunch in October. Great guy and really handy to know if you own a 928.

Pesty said: I love them but scare stories of engines going bang scared me off. There was one that live around the corner from me in Telford with an aftermaekt exhauast I imagine. It sounded awesome. I imagine they are money pits for some reason. true/false? False. And the engines make 911 motors look very fragile. Rebuilds are simply not necessary below 200k. The only thing you have to make sure you don't do is break a cambelt on the 32v engines. Routine maintenance sorts that out. There is a thing called thrust bearing failure that can have catastrophic consequences but it's rare and easy to check and fix. And please don't believe the Internet myth that only Paul Anderson in Stroud can maintain these cars. He's a nice bloke but I could name half a dozen garages round the country who are more diligent and basically better. Ive probably dropped 25k on 928 maintence with various places so that is one topic I do know about.

Pesty said: I love them but scare stories of engines going bang scared me off. There was one that live around the corner from me in Telford with an aftermaekt exhauast I imagine. It sounded awesome. I imagine they are money pits for some reason. true/false? False. And the engines make 911 motors look very fragile. Rebuilds are simply not necessary below 200k. The only thing you have to make sure you don't do is break a cambelt on the 32v engines. Routine maintenance sorts that out. There is a thing called thrust bearing failure that can have catastrophic consequences but it's rare and easy to check and fix. And please don't believe the Internet myth that only Paul Anderson in Stroud can maintain these cars. He's a nice bloke but I could name half a dozen garages round the country who are more diligent and basically better. Ive probably dropped 25k on 928 maintence with various places so that is one topic I do know about.

Thats a great write up, cheers for sharing and can't believe that you found a decent GT for £8k!

Lord Flathead said: stuff Bloody hell thanks for that I Need one now! looks at bank account and grumbles goes to bed sulking

Will the 928 ever be loved? Hell yeah I've gotten the bug with the 928. I suppose my interest started after Risky Business but not because of the film, but more so the way the car moved about, I just found it staunch and sexy. To date I've owned 3 so far, and started with a white 1983 928S auto about 15 years ago. This was such an enjoyable car, it had an after-market stainless exhaust system which sounded just fantastic. Other than that is was totally original. The auto box is not 'slushy' it was very responsive, yet the big V8 revved really hard and high too, nearly 7000, which means there is a lot of mass flying around at those speeds. The 4.7 litre V8 is a diamond in performance - it's not outright fast, but there has been a lot of thought gone in when designing the induction side. The intake plenums are different length so that half of the cylinders make power lower down and the other half higher up. This makes for strong torque down low, yet it revs like a motorcycle up top. There are few cars I have driven that manage to combine both of these qualities, and it's very addictive. Part of the reason the fuel consumption is dire, is because unless you are very restrained, you find any excuse just to give it some, and every time it makes you smile. The interior is very basic, and tends to wear with age, finding one with a good interior is becoming harder on the early S. The S4 was a totally different car, it may have been a 'Jagwar with its ride quality and quietness. There's a new five litre engine up front now, this adds considerably more torque and power across the range and it very noticeable from the 4.7S motor. Now featuring twin camshafts per bank and 32 valves, this engine is two 16 valve 944S engines joined in a V by a common crank. I would rate this engine as one of the best I have ever experienced - again it's not particularly mental in it's power delivery; smooth and progressive is the way I would describe it but it gathers pace in a meaningful way and has a nice V8 rasp as the throttle bodies open up on full chat. It doesn't matter what speed you choose to sit at on the motorway, it will stay there all day. The 928S4 was designed to run flat out all day, and I can vouch for that first hand(!) Sold on to make way for the Ultima, for what I got for it, I should have kept it. It was a hurried sale as Peter Knight was due to finish building my engine, and I regret it to this day (although Pete s engine was most certainly worth waiting for). Now onto my favourite and current, the 928GT.. Only fabled to have made just 2011 cars, the GT was the model end for the S4. It was practically the same, but had a few notable changes, the biggest was revised higher lift camshafts, which adds just 10 extra horsepower but dramatically changes the way the car feels under WOT. There is a notable lack of midrange torque, it's not bad bad, it's just different and you need to be mindfull if you are engaging another car in playful banter as you can be caught out unless your in the right gear. Once the revs rise above five however, the lost performance is more than made up for, and you will find yourself grabbing another gear to do it all over again. The GT was only available as a dog-leg manual box, which totally suits the character of the car - it would not bode well with an auto in my opinion. My car had a couple of factory options that were quite rare at the time, namely the 17" Cup One alloys and also the tear drop mirrors. These were not a factory option for the S4's and I think that they made a good improvement over the stock square wedge-shaped mirrors. The interior features piping that was normally the colour of the car, with mine it was black hide piped red, and some twenty years on it still looks fresh and appealing. The 928 had a revolutionary transaxle too, the first of its kind with a PSD electronic differential . I love this 'box it has a green light on the dashboard, and when you start to lose traction it glows. The car is totally planted in the bends, even at silly speeds - this is also aided by the 928's perfect 50/50 weight distribution - something that 911 owners can only dream about. Just the engine upfront with everything else at the back. You can drift this car and catch it every time, it is progressive and not at all snappy, but this is not what the car was built for and I feel guilty treating it this way. What about the running costs? Well all the cars are impeccably screwed together. The build quality is excellent, with only the trim showing signs of age if not cared for along the 'journey'. The bodies were excellent on all my cars with no structural rust, and some of the panels like the bonnet are made of alluminium. The mechanics are really good, but they do require immediate maintenance if something crops up, and they like an oil change or two every year. They are insatiable for rear tyres - around 6k and they're slicks There are some more points worth mentioning regarding buying advice, and if you are seriously looking for one take heed! Always buy on condition and with service history - you need to know what's been done and when. My first 928S was bought for £3000 on a whim after the dealer reversed it onto my drive to show me. No history - nothing! I bought it on instinct and that cost me dearly. Coming back from Scotland, it boiled over at speed and required two head rebuilds. AFN in Chiswick quoted £5,500.. a specialist got that down to £1,800.. I ended up letting the car go as a going concern to another PHer for £1500 as I had too many projects on and a lesson learned. The S4 wasn't a bad experience at all - I paid £5k for that about 7 years ago and kept it for a couple of years. It had a radiator, brakes all round, two sets of rear tyres and half an exhaust system. Spent £1.5k on it over two years, then sold if £6k. Not bad. The current car I bought from PH classifieds from a nice chap that had owned it for 12 years. He previously had another before that and had that for 10 years IRC, so that speaks volumes about 928's. The box folder of receipts is extensive, totalling around £25k! I paid just under £8k for this one, but the expenditure has been vast to date. I had a rattling noise which was worrying, so it went to Paul Anderson for an engine rebuild last year. Found the cam tensioners gone, but I asked him to totally strip the engine as it has covered 165k miles. I also instructed him to put mains and shells in there but he declined saying it was not necessary as upon inspection there was no noticeable wear! We went with a new cam tensioners and some camshafts supplied by me. 928GT camshafts are not made any more and are as rare as hens teeth and I was lucky to source some. A few other bits were changed but other than that nothing to worry about. Cost? just under £4k. Since then, I've also changed the steering rack this year at a cost of £800, and spent another £800 getting it through the MOT, requiring specialist suspension work from GT-One in Surrey last month. New front tyres and now.. another set of rears The car is all together now, but I still have things to do. Why the attraction? That's a tough one. It's no 911, I've been in and driven plenty and although I love them too, they are a world apart. I loved the lines with it's big fat rear end. These cars were designed to munch miles and they really are a proper GT car, with very comfortable ride and firm handling which is very forgiving. The chassis is one of it's finest points (for road use). It wafts you from a standstill to a march very quickly with little effort required - yet it corners with precision and inspires confidence in everything it does. You sit low down and it feels cool just being in there. What about tuning? There are plenty of tuning kits available, from twin-turbo and supercharger conversions, to stroker engines, which can take displacement to 7litres. Bottom end is good for about 600hp standard, but you will find plenty of forced induction 800hp monsters on youtube. In standard un-modified trim, the 1991 928GT will achieve 170mph with sixty coming up in just over five. That's not bad for a car that's now over twenty years old. Mine? I will be quite happy to keep it fettled and original, it's a bit special and I love driving it Edited to add a pic and some extra content. Edited by Lord Flathead on Wednesday 4th January 22:19

Hi Simon My classic insurance is with Hagerty. They love hearing about all the mods on my cars and it makes bugger all difference to the quote. This has indeed become a good thread! Maybe the 928's time is coming Joel

Spotted on another forum

I used to love the Guards red 928 GT Aero kitted car my mate had. I dont think ive ever spotted another like it and it ended up in holland i believe. He had a bit of trouble with electrical gremlins but we had an auto spark that worked with us and the only other major problem i recall was some problems with the manual gearbox.

Do 928's suffer the sill corrosion as per the 944's ?

Thanks to all, a great thread. I failed to buy one in 2005/6, rather I bottled out of buying one. Silly me.

pcn1 said: Do 928's suffer the sill corrosion as per the 944's ? No.

I have bottled out of getting a 928 a couple of times though its a car I really really want to own. Think this year might be the time to chop in my 944 Turbo and take the plunge. This thread certainly offers some encouragment !

Jon951 said: I have bottled out of getting a 928 a couple of times though its a car I really really want to own. Think this year might be the time to chop in my 944 Turbo and take the plunge. This thread certainly offers some encouragment ! If you have the pockets deep enough for the 944 turbo then the 928 wont spring any surprises in servicing or repairs. Probably a bit heavier on the juice than the 944. A friend of mine has a 928 and i have a 924S having driven each others cars the joint opinion is the 928 is a GT cruiser, he cant drive his 928 through the twisties like i can my S. So you may miss the dynamics of the 944, but then that touring ability and the V8 burble, comfort etc will offer different benefits. I know petrol is expensive but it will never be cheaper than it is now so if you want one do it now

Lukewarm said: Reading this thread and seeing comments from the 988 'Old Guard' make me miss my Old Girl. I sold her at the end of November 2010 and I believe the current owner may be looking to sell. Unfortunately I do not have a large enough drive (or wallet) to buy her back but she would be a great buy for someone looking for a 'sorted' 928. Your ex-car is giving me withdrawal symptoms! I ran a white S4 around 10 years ago, when my then job entailed regularly driving many hundreds of miles on some of the best and most deserted Scottish highland roads

I started this thread as I have really thought the 928 was on the verge of a price rise / recognition. In the late 80's if you: 1) needed a 4x4 you bought a range rover classic. 2) supercar - testarossa 3) limo type thing - the two door bentley continental 4) convertable - merc 500sl (the one built out of stone) 5) rally rocket - Audi Quattro 1-5 are all now have a very strong following and good ones are strong money. 928, your time is now surely? And if you wanted a practical fast German 2+2 you bought the 928....still remember my mates, very fit, mum getting one. Happy memories. Think I would rather have my money in a 928 than a European bank account.

Get them while they're cheap. If I lost my 928 tomorrow and never got a penny for it, I've had more than my monies worth out of it. I've had more fun in that car than my 944 and 924 put together. The 928 guys up here are a great bunch too. The only cars missing from the picture are an original S auto ( second from the left is an S manual ), an S2 manual, a GTS and a GTS Manual. First car on the left is the lowest verified recorded mileage 928 by Porsche UK. It's been to them every year for a service and MOT and only has 36,000 miles on the clock and 2 owners from new. The middle red one is very special, it's a 1988 SE in mint condition.

Nice collection there Angelus. Good to see that you have an active club - at least you have exciting roads. I've often hoped to drive around Scotland in the GT.. maybe this year it may be possible. Last year I did Cornwall so maybe this year I should do Lands End to John O' Groats

Just dropped my GTS off with Paul Anderson for a new cambelt. Never used him before and drove up from London. What a pleasure to turn up and see a bunch of different 928's in different states and only 928's. Had a nice chat with him, he certainly knows his stuff and has a true passion for 928's. I think petrol runs through his vains....lol.

Lord Flathead said: Nice collection there Angelus. Good to see that you have an active club - at least you have exciting roads. While flicking through the "Where will the Spyder bottom out?" thread I noticed a picture of my 928 on there too. It's not just the 928 guys up here, Porsche and PH guys are all great fun to go out a run with. A few good garages up here too if anyone is thinking about getting one.

Jon951 said: I have bottled out of getting a 928 a couple of times though its a car I really really want to own. Think this year might be the time to chop in my 944 Turbo and take the plunge. This thread certainly offers some encouragment ! You've spent plenty uprating it and now you want to sell ?, someone will get a good car.

928GTS for £8k.. had a fire, no logbook, no history, no paperwork at all. Been locked up for two years Looks nice but sounds dodgy. They normally fetch twice that. Why am I still interested. Serious bargain or serious bankrupt?

A weird one. Bodywork and interior look very noice.

Looks like trouble really, but who knows, go and have a butchers, might be OK. Discs look fooked though! MTR

Lord Flathead said: 928GTS for £8k.. had a fire, no logbook, no history, no paperwork at all. Been locked up for two years Looks nice but sounds dodgy. They normally fetch twice that. Why am I still interested. Serious bargain or serious bankrupt? looks stunning tbh. But not worth the aggro when u can buy a nice one for 5-7k more.

There is a thread about that car on the 928 UK list and on TIPEC forum. If you would like to speak to the person who owned it when it went on fire, he is happy to talk about the car.

Ah thanks, I will have a read

This is from the previous owner: "About two years ago my 92 GTS had an engine fire. I pulled up on the drive, smelled petrol, opened the bonnet and lost half an eyebrow and all the hair on the back of my hands. I got the fire out pretty quickly with a fire extinguisher but there was a lot a petrol and the fire re-ignited, I was not able to put it out this time and had to wait for the fire brigade. The front of the engine was pretty extensively damaged and the car was taken on a trailor to Tom Fergusons (Porsche specialist). I was desparate to get the car fixed but with an estimate of ?10,500 it was written off by the insurance company. The base of the fire was around the fuel manifold at the front of the engine and the radiator, all of the belts, the aircon and the fuel system were pretty badly damaged. The two killers for the insurance company were; that the engine wiring loom was beyond repair (a new one could not be sourced) and that the plastic oil filler neck had melted and fallen into the engine requiring a complete engine rebuild. The car K3 SSS is currently on ebay as a classified ad for ?7,995."

You forgot to tell everyone that his eyebrow grew back.

Thanks for the replies. Having just thrown £4k at an engine rebuild this time last year, I think I will give it a miss. If it had been a manual, I might have actually took the plunge and sat on it doing a bit here and there. So one is to presume that as it's an insurance recorded write off, it would make it virtually uninsurable. The lack of a logbook and or history - that's too many negatives. Wiring looms not available? Worrying - I had a problem sourcing some rear suspension parts at Christmas and was told that they are unavailable. If the 928 stands any chance of becoming a real classic someone needs to start OEM'ing the parts or we will not be able to keep them on the road

This story is so sad! I owned this car from new,it was probably the best 'all round' Porsche I ever owned...should never have been sold. Also,just shows there are no secrets on the internet.

tooty said: This story is so sad! I owned this car from new,it was probably the best 'all round' Porsche I ever owned...should never have been sold. Also,just shows there are no secrets on the internet. I'm just glad that you made people aware of the car's history when someone is trying to fob off the extent of the damage. Quote from advert: "Please note: Needs TLC.. this classic car has been sat in my garage since 2010 after having a small engine fire which caused very light damage to rubber pipes, plastic & hoses etc. This is a cheap & easy diy repair, no paint damage at all, with keys will start run n drive." When in fact as you say the damage is a lot more extensive. Perhaps the ebay seller was unaware of the extent of the true damage.

Lord Flathead said: Wiring looms not available? Worrying - I had a problem sourcing some rear suspension parts at Christmas and was told that they are unavailable. If the 928 stands any chance of becoming a real classic someone needs to start OEM'ing the parts or we will not be able to keep them on the road All the suspension parts are available. There is a lot of after market stuff out there if you ask nicely. As to the wiring loom - just call Paul Anderson - he has plenty. As with regards to the car on Evilbay - agreed and would not touch with the longest barge pole available... Would make a nice breaker for the long block, Big Blacks and interior though...Shame...

Well, he's had two offers – I wonder how much?

jodypress said: I'm just glad that you made people aware of the car's history when someone is trying to fob off the extent of the damage. Quote from advert: "Please note: Needs TLC.. this classic car has been sat in my garage since 2010 after having a small engine fire which caused very light damage to rubber pipes, plastic & hoses etc. This is a cheap & easy diy repair, no paint damage at all, with keys will start run n drive." When in fact as you say the damage is a lot more extensive. Perhaps the ebay seller was unaware of the extent of the true damage. I think Tooty was the first owner; the guy you are quoting was the third.

I had a 928 GTS manual. Great car - sold it recently as it wasn't getting used enough - too fat for the new work car park and not really a commuter car. Actually more refined than my 996 and reasonable economy being manual. I think the prices have bottomed out and the engines are surprisingly robust - just need to keep on top of other stuff like cam belt, door stays, engine mounts, etc. And the clutch is HEAVY on a manual.

c2mike said: And the clutch is HEAVY on a manual. I used to think so too, then I replaced the broken clutch helper spring and adjusted it properly, and now the clutch is fine. In fact it's very light compared with my Cerb.

Everything on my 928 is much heavier than my over-assisted Toyota... Except the clutch.

Lord Flathead said: 928GTS for £8k.. had a fire, no logbook, no history, no paperwork at all. Been locked up for two years Looks nice but sounds dodgy. They normally fetch twice that. Why am I still interested. Serious bargain or serious bankrupt? It's still being listed. Has 8 offers. I wonder what they are?

This one sold with within hours http://www.928.org.uk/for-sale/605-for-sale-porsch...

ukkid35 said: This one sold with within hours http://www.928.org.uk/for-sale/605-for-sale-porsch... Bloody hell, if I'd realised it was that cheap I'd have bought it myself, even though its absolutely identical to my car!

ukkid35 said: This one sold with within hours http://www.928.org.uk/for-sale/605-for-sale-porsch... Who bought it Paul? Is it true Steptoe bought it? He isn't answering my texts. Lee.

Apparently bought by the last owner of this ill fated GTS http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cjXSdbljmg

ukkid35 said: Apparently bought by the last owner of this ill fated GTS http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cjXSdbljmg The car may have been ill fated, but the engine lives and breathes rather well, pun intended

Strangely cheap wasn't it? I can't thinking that it would have gone for £8/9/10k had the owner been prepared to wait it out a little. ukkid35 said: This one sold with within hours http://www.928.org.uk/for-sale/605-for-sale-porsch...

My valentines pressie to the one I love... What does your girl ?

Penrite HPR15 and Mahle, but I would be more than happy to use your choice.

Mahle was on the list but this was recommended by Opie Oils, as one of the guys also runs a 928. Not heard of Penright, presume that is an Amercian oil? The Fusch stuff has Ester in it which is supposed to be the best thing. Can't wait to get it in there along with my new set of Conti Contac Sports. All we need now is some decent weather

Holy thread bump! Followed the pale metallic blue 928 manual through the lanes near Truro yesterday. Glorious weather and sound! I loved it. Mark-BMW-E30-318is said: I m not sure if owner is here but spotted this manual 928 out and about near Truro today?

said: A 14 year thread bump!!!