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Hi Someone just keyed the drivers door of my 992.2 Carrera. About 5cm. What would folk recommend ? The official Porsche bodyshops are over 3k to 4K as respray all. The car is jet black metallic with G tech coating. I live in London/Oxford areas. Thx

If the OPC is a no no for you then I would choose a very reputable high end car detailer. I use and point my buddies to Refined Detail in Henfield, extremely good and has a first-class reputation, for all work carried out. It maybe a bit of a travel from you but, I promise it'll be worth it. These jobs need to be done right first time. Goood luck

Ryanlion said: Hi Someone just keyed the drivers door of my 992.2 Carrera. About 5cm. What would folk recommend ? The official Porsche bodyshops are over 3k to 4K as respray all. The car is jet black metallic with G tech coating. I live in London/Oxford areas. Thx Have a chat with this guy http://www.jfbodyworks.co.uk/restoration/restorati... He did some paintwork for me a few years ago and also does the paint for one of the high end restomod companies in the UK (£400k+ prices... And very nice paint!)

surely just look for a well recommended local PDR guy? that's a relatively minor fix.

throt said: If the OPC is a no no for you then I would choose a very reputable high end car detailer. I use and point my buddies to Refined Detail in Henfield, extremely good and has a first-class reputation, for all work carried out. It maybe a bit of a travel from you but, I promise it'll be worth it. These jobs need to be done right first time. Goood luck If its keyed through to the metal, or even through the undercoat, then i dont think a detailer is going to be able to resolve it. May not be of course, but people keying cars do tend to put the effort in.

Deep Thought said: If its keyed through to the metal, or even through the undercoat, then i dont think a detailer is going to be able to resolve it. May not be of course, but people keying cars do tend to put the effort in. Refined repairs too, not just detailing and PPF

My local OPC used to use Premier Panel Skills (Farnham), and the quality of their work was incredible. They have recently been bought out by Steer Automotive Group: https://www.steer.co.uk/about-us/locations

I'm not a porsche guy but auto technics near Windsor did a perfect job on my car and were vw warranty approved. Might be porsche approved as well? They aren't cheap but I would hope they're not opc prices. Sorry for your scratch, I hate it

Chartwells in Derby (OPCs use these guys directly) https://www.chartwells.net/

Ryanlion said: Hi Someone just keyed the drivers door of my 992.2 Carrera. About 5cm. What would folk recommend ? The official Porsche bodyshops are over 3k to 4K as respray all. The car is jet black metallic with G tech coating. I live in London/Oxford areas. Thx For Oxford/London I use the one and only Richard Tipper. The man who washes the world’s most valuable cars.... https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cars/features/the-man-... https://x.com/perfectionvalet?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoog... 35yrs as a detailer and also consultant to Porsche https://newsroom.porsche.com/en/2020/sport-lifesty... Tipper is trusted with priceless motors, from the Ferrari 250 GTO to Le Mans-winning Jaguar XJR-9. Harry Metcalfe (of Harrys Garage), Top Gear. Singer, and all the hi enders use him. He is based about 30mins outside London towards Oxford. No affiliation, just his work is off the charts. https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&... but if its gone through the clear coat then its game over for how much a detailer can cure. I have just had the same - 3 scratches. Richard could save 2 but the 3rd is too deep so Auto Farm are the best - based in Bicester - to give advice - considering their pedigree. Edited by Jones the cat on Monday 19th May 22:07

It’s a 2” scratch people. It’s bread and butter for any competent PDR pro.

If it’s gone through to the primer then painting is the only option. A Detailer can’t fix that. It’s a question of finding a body shop you trust at a price you find acceptable. Try Riviera Autobody south of Oxford, they do a lot of Porsches.

ukwill said: It’s a 2” scratch people. It’s bread and butter for any competent PDR pro. Its got G Tech coating which means one might start chasing that. I wouldn't go to just anybody if I was the the original poster. Go to the best in the country whom happens to be close to the posters location.

Jones the cat said: ukwill said: It’s a 2” scratch people. It’s bread and butter for any competent PDR pro. Its got G Tech coating which means one might start chasing that. I wouldn't go to just anybody if I was the the original poster. Go to the best in the country whom happens to be close to the posters location. The coating means nothing. Any competent bodywork pro could sort a 2” scratch in no time. It’s a tiny bit of wet sanding, primer/paint/lacquer & polishing. As far as I know there isnt a competition for ‘best bodywork pro in the country”. Recommendations often help.

ukwill said: It’s a 2” scratch people. It’s bread and butter for any competent PDR pro. PDR as in paintless dent removal? Why would you do to a specialist in paintless dent removal, to have paintwork done? am i missing something?

Of course you could always protect the marked area with a patch of PPF and relax ? Would anything "reward" the perpetrator better than your not worrying about it ... ??

bennno said: ukwill said: It’s a 2” scratch people. It’s bread and butter for any competent PDR pro. PDR as in paintless dent removal? Why would you do to a specialist in paintless dent removal, to have paintwork done? am i missing something? This.

Zio Di Roma said: bennno said: ukwill said: It’s a 2” scratch people. It’s bread and butter for any competent PDR pro. PDR as in paintless dent removal? Why would you do to a specialist in paintless dent removal, to have paintwork done? am i missing something? This. That has been my thinking also. Also this notion of sanding it out, bit of primer, couple of coats of paint, couple of coats of lacquer... By the time you do all that and maybe adding +2 inches each time to feather out you're in to quite a bit of a panel painted and thats impossible to hide no matter how good your smart repairer is. Yes, on a bumper corner, or low down but not in the middle of a door panel. I've a smart repair guy coming out to resolve a scratch on my Mercedes on Thursday but its down low and in a contained area with edges. I dont think they'd be tackling a door. Could be wrong of course.....

bennno said: ukwill said: It’s a 2” scratch people. It’s bread and butter for any competent PDR pro. PDR as in paintless dent removal? Why would you do to a specialist in paintless dent removal, to have paintwork done? am i missing something? Because PDR pro's do paintwork (for example, when they're fixing scratches). These days they also do several other things too (like alloy refurbs). Handy to know a good one.

ukwill said: bennno said: ukwill said: It’s a 2” scratch people. It’s bread and butter for any competent PDR pro. PDR as in paintless dent removal? Why would you do to a specialist in paintless dent removal, to have paintwork done? am i missing something? Because PDR pro's do paintwork (for example, when they're fixing scratches). These days they also do several other things too (like alloy refurbs). Handy to know a good one. Our PDR guys don’t do paint.

Zio Di Roma said: ukwill said: bennno said: ukwill said: It’s a 2” scratch people. It’s bread and butter for any competent PDR pro. PDR as in paintless dent removal? Why would you do to a specialist in paintless dent removal, to have paintwork done? am i missing something? Because PDR pro's do paintwork (for example, when they're fixing scratches). These days they also do several other things too (like alloy refurbs). Handy to know a good one. Our PDR guys don’t do paint. Ok? You're entirely free to use whoever you like. And pay whatever they charge.

ukwill said: Zio Di Roma said: ukwill said: bennno said: ukwill said: It’s a 2” scratch people. It’s bread and butter for any competent PDR pro. PDR as in paintless dent removal? Why would you do to a specialist in paintless dent removal, to have paintwork done? am i missing something? Because PDR pro's do paintwork (for example, when they're fixing scratches). These days they also do several other things too (like alloy refurbs). Handy to know a good one. Our PDR guys don’t do paint. Ok? You're entirely free to use whoever you like. And pay whatever they charge. I haven’t used a PDR firm that does paint. When I’ve used a smart repairer who does wheel work too the work has usually been crap. Just an observation.

If you check on youtube for scratch repairs then there are plenty videos of simpler repairs by filling with touch up paint, sanding a polishing with what looks like excellent results. I would definitely try this rather over an expensive respray

gtr_drifter said: If you check on youtube for scratch repairs then there are plenty videos of simpler repairs by filling with touch up paint, sanding a polishing with what looks like excellent results. I would definitely try this rather over an expensive respray This, carried out by the right person will give surprisingly good results, more a matter of a good paint match and someone with a bit of skill, nothing to loose really if your resigned to a full side respray anyway.

Zio Di Roma said: ukwill said: Zio Di Roma said: ukwill said: bennno said: ukwill said: It’s a 2” scratch people. It’s bread and butter for any competent PDR pro. PDR as in paintless dent removal? Why would you do to a specialist in paintless dent removal, to have paintwork done? am i missing something? Because PDR pro's do paintwork (for example, when they're fixing scratches). These days they also do several other things too (like alloy refurbs). Handy to know a good one. Our PDR guys don’t do paint. Ok? You're entirely free to use whoever you like. And pay whatever they charge. I haven’t used a PDR firm that does paint. When I’ve used a smart repairer who does wheel work too the work has usually been crap. Just an observation. Same here.

ukwill said: Because PDR pro's do paintwork (for example, when they're fixing scratches). These days they also do several other things too (like alloy refurbs). Handy to know a good one. Neither of the pdr guys I know do paint. Clue is in the name. Think you mean a smart repairer perhaps?

Hi Thanks Has anyone used M&A coachworks ? The scratch does go through clear but i dont think to metal not sure. They also keyed my neighbors GTS.

bennno said: ukwill said: Because PDR pro's do paintwork (for example, when they're fixing scratches). These days they also do several other things too (like alloy refurbs). Handy to know a good one. Neither of the pdr guys I know do paint. Clue is in the name. Think you mean a smart repairer perhaps? Hi Benno - the clue isn't in the name, because there are PDR guys that do things other than just dent removal(!) It's pretty common (at least, it is around London). In fact, I've just had a quote for bit of paint, a small dent fix, and refurb of 4 alloys for the mrs from a guy who does all those things. I did mention recommendations - because yes, it's the wild west out there (like pretty much all trades). As others have mentioned, examples of this kind of minor repair can be found on YT. All this is ridiculously pedantic though the bottom line is, a 2" scratch can be fixed by a competent 1-man band (many of whom offer mobile services). It's just a case of finding a competent one.

I would always do it my way, jmo but, I would. Drive to my detailer, he then gets his very much trusted guy to do the paint fix ( the guy he uses all the time ). After the paint fix, its back to my detailer, who will then inspect it and do the finer touches, detail wise. Only then will it be passed back to the owner / customer. Smart repairs are an absolute no no for me, you best pay a bit more to get it done right first time.

throt said: I would always do it my way, jmo but, I would. Drive to my detailer, he then gets his very much trusted guy to do the paint fix ( the guy he uses all the time ). After the paint fix, its back to my detailer, who will then inspect it and do the finer touches, detail wise. Only then will it be passed back to the owner / customer. Smart repairs are an absolute no no for me, you best pay a bit more to get it done right first time. I've had some amazing smart repairs done (and some s t ones)

ukwill said: Hi Benno - the clue isn't in the name, because there are PDR guys that do things other than just dent removal(!) It's pretty common (at least, it is around London). In fact, I've just had a quote for bit of paint, a small dent fix, and refurb of 4 alloys for the mrs from a guy who does all those things. I did mention recommendations - because yes, it's the wild west out there (like pretty much all trades). As others have mentioned, examples of this kind of minor repair can be found on YT. All this is ridiculously pedantic though the bottom line is, a 2" scratch can be fixed by a competent 1-man band (many of whom offer mobile services). It's just a case of finding a competent one. Post a link, if he does all that i'm amazed he's calling himself a PDR guy, as opposed to a smart repairer.

bennno said: Post a link, if he does all that i'm amazed he's calling himself a PDR guy, as opposed to a smart repairer. I reckon he calls himself the masked crusader fwiw. Out of interest, what do you call a guy who offers several such services? Clearly he's very smart. Presumably he would be a very smart repairer? Talk about filling up a thread with utter b ks.

ukwill said: bennno said: Post a link, if he does all that i'm amazed he's calling himself a PDR guy, as opposed to a smart repairer. I reckon he calls himself the masked crusader fwiw. Out of interest, what do you call a guy who offers several such services? Clearly he's very smart. Presumably he would be a very smart repairer? Talk about filling up a thread with utter b ks. So a Smart repairer, not a PDR guy, like you were originally insisting he was?

Deep Thought said: So a Smart repairer, not a PDR guy, like you were originally insisting he was? Yes you've got me. PDR guys don't do paintwork (as someone reliably informed us several posts ago). When suggesting someone to recommend, if the person is multi-skilled you should make sure to refer to them by all their skillset. In the morning I'll be sure to phone https://tdlrepair.co.uk/ and tell them to remove "paintless dent repair" from their branding because they also do scratch repairs. I'll then be onto https://dialadent.co.uk/ for similar reasons. And don't get me started on PDR guys who also do scratches AND alloy refurbs. Actually ignore that - they don't exist either. OP - go to a Porsche approved bodyshop for your 2" scratch. It's the only way. I'm out.

For paint: Riviera Autobody based in Ewelme, Oxon or Daytona Coachworx based in Stevenage, Herts. I've recently been doing some work for VJB Classics in Maldon and their work too is very good.

Is keying cars still a thing? Is there any logical reason why they’d have keyed two Porsches, OP? I’ve just picked up my new (to me) GTS and took out Stratstone’s paint insurance which apparently allows for a limited (10, I think) number of repairs including full panel resprays. Given a good repair on a panel is now over £500 it seemed a sensible enough idea, despite not normally being taken in by all the sales extras.

ukwill said: Recommendations often help. As I did.

Sorry to hear OP - that's a real shame for you & your neighbour. As mentioned earlier in the thread, +1 for Steer Prestige in Farnham who did some work on my car as part of Porsche Approved program & were excellent. They also have a branch in High Wycombe who OPC Reading use. Auto body technic did some work for me on my old car too, they are in Slough & do RSJ Porsche's work too. Seems you have a few options so can get several quotes.

Hi No idea why they keyed them. Both 5 cm keys Both v new cars. No other cars keyed Plenty of Range rovers and BMW and Macans on road , none touched

Tommo87 said: There’s usually a reason for only one or two cats to be targeted out of many possible ones. It would be all cats, if it were me. Filthy little monsters.

There s usually a reason for only one or two cars to be targeted out of many possible ones. Not that it helps fix the damage after the fact. Edited by Tommo87 on Thursday 29th May 07:54

Zio Di Roma/Furbo/other names said: Tommo87 said: There s usually a reason for only one or two cats to be targeted out of many possible ones. It would be all cats, if it were me. Filthy little monsters. Too much competition?

Has anyone used M&A Coachworks for bodywork ?

Ryanlion said: Has anyone used M&A Coachworks for bodywork ? what was the appraisal on the scratch? gone through the clear coat?

Hi Still not done this as dont really want to spend 4k on a full respray and find its not exactly same shade as original. Tempted to just touch up with the 40 quid pen and leave it til car sold

Ryanlion said: Hi Still not done this as dont really want to spend 4k on a full respray and find its not exactly same shade as original. Tempted to just touch up with the 40 quid pen and leave it til car sold Of all the non solid colours, wouldn't black metallic be the easiest to match?

There was some absolutely awful advice on this thread. A scratch in a metallic colour in a panel like a door is nothing to do with paintless dent removal or detailing. A smart repair is highly dependant on position of the damage - so if you catch a wing edge, the corner of a bumper etc then the natural creases and curves of the car can be used by the repairer to blend the base and the clear for a good quality repair. In the middle of a door panel it’s extremely difficult and nobody will do it unless you say “I know this probably won’t work, but please give it your best shot and I will pay you anyway as the next stop is the bodyshop” - the reason is the colour and metallic blend has to be exact in the base and then the lacquer has to blend too - and there is nowhere to “lose” these blends in a flat panel. What you need is all the hardware removing from the car and the full door painting and clear coat. The bodyshop will also want to base coat half the front and half the rear wing, and clear coat the full panels. So basically it’s half the car not the full car. Bodyshop work is all in the prep - in this case your enemy is shortcuts and masking tape. You want the whole thing stripped so it’s a perfect job. You might be able to find a bodyshop that will do you the door on its own, again on the basis that you pay regardless. They won’t want to do it as it’s edge-to-edge, but if it was my car I would try this and pay them, to save repainting the full side. On a fairly recent car, on that colour, there is a decent chance of an edge to edge match especially if you pay them extra to do a load of spray out cards first to test. Hope this helps.

Ryanlion said: Hi Still not done this as dont really want to spend 4k on a full respray and find its not exactly same shade as original. Tempted to just touch up with the 40 quid pen and leave it til car sold Indeed- why not give a repair a go yourself? I've watched a number of videos where people fill the scratch with paint using a pointed nib rather than brush (and the trick seems to be in getting a good paint match which hopefully would be easier with your jet black car) til the paint is higher than the surrounding paint, then wet sand carefully until its level with the surrounding paint, taking care to minimize loss of clearcoat on the unaffected areas. Compound and refine and I think you'd have an acceptable if not perfect result.