Cayman 981 prices? - Page 3 - Boxster/Cayman - PistonHeads UK

I'm considering a base Cayman or an S if i can stretch to it and will be a weekend toy for me. I've never done the Porsche thing but had a few M cars, AMGs, Audi RS's etc but they have all been my main practical daily driver rather than a weekend toy. Now, I'm not buying the Porsche for an investment but would a 2013/2014 Cayman hold its value pretty well over a few years to say an E92 M3 or an M2 Competition as these are other possible candidates. Any car that will hopefully hold it value more than another will go down better with the missus

Values have held pretty well for the 981 across the board, but who knows what's around the corner!? Buy the car you like best. Tell your Mrs what she wants to hear!

stabilio said: I'm considering a base Cayman or an S if i can stretch to it and will be a weekend toy for me. I've never done the Porsche thing but had a few M cars, AMGs, Audi RS's etc but they have all been my main practical daily driver rather than a weekend toy. Now, I'm not buying the Porsche for an investment but would a 2013/2014 Cayman hold its value pretty well over a few years to say an E92 M3 or an M2 Competition as these are other possible candidates. Any car that will hopefully hold it value more than another will go down better with the missus In a few years time we will see even more closer parity in 981 prices to 987.2's... certainly low mileage 987.2's vs higher mileage 981's. It already is that way.. 981 S £29,990 https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202209179... vs 987 S £29,997 https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202301233... As time goes on there is only one direction - it is inevitable that 981 prices will sink further south and the 987.2 climb much higher. A Cayman R can now go for more than a 981GTS, and will eventually match parity with the 981GT4. 981 prices are a lead balloon, especially so, if I understand correctly, you are going to daily it for the next two years. See the 987 has the classic status now, coupled with its retro looks, it is in fashion. The 981 won't come back in fashion as it never was fashion first time around.

julian987R said: In a few years time we will see even more closer parity in 981 prices to 987.2's... certainly low mileage 987.2's vs higher mileage 981's. It already is that way.. 981 S £29,990 https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202209179... vs 987 S £29,997 https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202301233... As time goes on there is only one direction - it is inevitable that 981 prices will sink further south and the 987.2 climb much higher. A Cayman R can now go for more than a 981GTS, and will eventually match parity with the 981GT4. 981 prices are a lead balloon, especially so, if I understand correctly, you are going to daily it for the next two years. See the 987 has the classic status now, coupled with its retro looks, it is in fashion. The 981 won't come back in fashion as it never was fashion first time around. You’ve picked an automatic 981 with more than double the miles to draw your make your point, which is misleading. Looking on autotrader I can find a 987S manual with 36k miles for £18,250 and the cheapest manual 981S with sub 40k miles is £36k. There is a mint 987R with 11k miles up for sale for £44.9k, a 981gts with 20k up for £51k, a 981gt4 with 20k is 65k from an OPC The Gt4 will always carry a premium, the 981 currently carries a premium due to its similarity to the 718 but generally with a better engine.

Having owned both, albeit as Boxsters, I must say that the 981 is much better car than the 987 Gen 2.

bennno said: You’ve picked an automatic 981 with more than double the miles to draw your make your point, which is misleading. Looking on autotrader I can find a 987S manual with 36k miles for £18,250 and the cheapest manual 981S with sub 40k miles is £36k. There is a mint 987R with 11k miles up for sale for £44.9k, a 981gts with 20k up for £51k, a 981gt4 with 20k is 65k from an OPC The Gt4 will always carry a premium, the 981 currently carries a premium due to its similarity to the 718 but generally with a better engine. well one actually - I distinctly said 'certainly low mileage 987.2's vs higher mileage 981's.'

julian987R said: well one actually - I distinctly said 'certainly low mileage 987.2's vs higher mileage 981's.' Why not point out the obvious that there will also be close price parity between 981’s with no service history / damage / poor spec / bad condition / knocking engines versus 987.2’s with the opposite?

bennno said: julian987R said: well one actually - I distinctly said 'certainly low mileage 987.2's vs higher mileage 981's.' Why not point out the obvious that there will also be close price parity between 981’s with no service history / damage / poor spec / bad condition / knocking engines versus 987.2’s with the opposite? Well that would be 'a given', and bad examples are probably few and far between, thus treated on a case by case basis rather than a key influencer on prices. There are bad air-cooled out there, more than that of bad 981's I would imagine, and bad 911 air-cooled don't affect the over arching price trends for air-cooled do they? exactly.

anonymous said: [redacted] Good grief. How on earth is anything I have said 'hateful'. I can see in the reply before it is re-moderated that you have called me a hateful Cword. That is beyond unacceptable and shameful. I always had you down as really nice - how wrong was I. I won't report you, just never reply back to me ever again.

Getting back to the op's question, apart from the wild fluctuations last year our 7 1/2 year old 981 Cayman's value has remained pretty static since it was around 3 years old so unless you buy a bad one or put significant mileage on it history would suggest depreciation won't be a problem.

You do bang on about 987R prices and take every opportunity to talk them up , Is your entire pension pot based on Cayman R’s

julian987R said: As time goes on there is only one direction - it is inevitable that 981 prices will sink further south and the 987.2 climb much higher. A Cayman R can now go for more than a 981GTS, and will eventually match parity with the 981GT4. 981 prices are a lead balloon, especially so, if I understand correctly, you are going to daily it for the next two years. See the 987 has the classic status now, coupled with its retro looks, it is in fashion. The 981 won't come back in fashion as it never was fashion first time around. Leaving aside the Cayman R which I will grant you is a unique car the suggestion a 987.2 will be worth more than a comparable 981 is absolute twaddle. If anything the 981 is likely to rise above the 718 given its extra 2 cylinders. The 981 is a well finished car, more advanced and 'modern'. Classic status in Cayman/Boxster doesn't come into the equation and a 987 is outdated in comparison to what the small extra can buy you. A 987 is 'in fashion'. For me 981 all the way.

Aside from Julians predictable bias of the car he owns they are both really good cars. The 987.2 is a little more raw and has the famed hydraulic steering. Unfortunately with that comes a dated interior regardless of extended leather it still looks 996/997 old but that is just my perspective. I certainly wouldn't allow this to stop me buying one. The 981 is a much more improved chassis and just a much more modern design inside and out. This also may be a positive to some and not to others. As for holding their value. 981s have done really well and the big covid price rise has been retained really well. Low spec and/or high mile cars have dropped quicker but that shouldn't be a surprise. High spec low mile cars haven't really dropped since the boom 2 years ago. From a quick glance all depending on mileage and spec 987.2S go from 20-30k 981S 30-40k, a couple above 40k but not selling. 981 GTS 40-50K I think cayman R will certainly hold their price very well but they have become collector cars where every mile is a pound lost I think if you spend 35k on a low mile reasonably specced 981S in 2 years you won't lose. I think in 5 years you'll probably have only lost a grand a year. Again the above is only my non qualified opinion.

I'm in the market for a 981 and have been watching the prices for a while. It seems like the market has cooled off, but dealers aren't willing to lower prices. A local garage to me has had this one since late November 2022. https://www.geoffcox.co.uk/vehicle-details/Porsche... Price hasn't moved one bit and with the spec/miles its got i'd say its more like a £25-27k car. I've noticed similar with other cars at dealers across the UK. Without a crystal ball its impossible to say whats going to happen to prices, but with 718s hitting mid £30s i'd expect to see 981s to start to cool down soonish. I'll be holding out for a few months before buying.

Porsche now consider the 987 to be a Classic. The 981 is not ... yet ... Yes the hydraulic power steering is nice but it's not a deal breaker. And the 981 IS a much more modern car that formed the platform for the GT4. A great car to put miles on ... IMHO

TheOctaneAddict said: I'm in the market for a 981 and have been watching the prices for a while. It seems like the market has cooled off, but dealers aren't willing to lower prices. A local garage to me has had this one since late November 2022. https://www.geoffcox.co.uk/vehicle-details/Porsche... Price hasn't moved one bit and with the spec/miles its got i'd say its more like a £25-27k car. I've noticed similar with other cars at dealers across the UK. Without a crystal ball its impossible to say whats going to happen to prices, but with 718s hitting mid £30s i'd expect to see 981s to start to cool down soonish. I'll be holding out for a few months before buying. I’m of the opinion that a 4 pot 718 will fall to or below a nice 981 with equivalent spec and miles. Get a 111 inspection as majority (if not already done) will need exhaust bolts and condensers which is a £1500+ job at an indy. If buying I’d get a 111 inspection carried out. Common issue such as rusted exhaust bolts vary between £250-800 to resolve and condensers are £1000-1400 and last 6-7 years.

bennno said: I’m of the opinion that a 4 pot 718 will fall to or below a nice 981 with equivalent spec and miles. I don’t think he was asking about a 718 but would have to disagree with this statement, I bought mine when they first came out and many internet posters were keen to tell me its value would fall off a cliff edge vs the 981 yet that never happened to date and I’ve yet to see a bargain basement 718. Mind you when I come to trade mine with 60k miles on it that may well change…

julian987R said: In a few years time we will see even more closer parity in 981 prices to 987.2's... certainly low mileage 987.2's vs higher mileage 981's. It already is that way.. 981 S £29,990 https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202209179... vs 987 S £29,997 https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202301233... As time goes on there is only one direction - it is inevitable that 981 prices will sink further south and the 987.2 climb much higher. A Cayman R can now go for more than a 981GTS, and will eventually match parity with the 981GT4. 981 prices are a lead balloon, especially so, if I understand correctly, you are going to daily it for the next two years. See the 987 has the classic status now, coupled with its retro looks, it is in fashion. The 981 won't come back in fashion as it never was fashion first time around. You really are an imbecile.

I was perhaps unlucky with the electric steering rack failing on my 2014 981S at 12k miles. Helpfully, whilst out of warranty. The steering is OK isolation, you get used to it. But as an earlier poster said, if your try it in direct contrast to a good hydraulic power steering system, you do really notice the difference. The 987 looks old inside and out. Laughable to suggest they are in any way more desirable than a 981. Maybe the R and Spyder have a following but the others, not a bit of it.

TheOctaneAddict said: I'm in the market for a 981 and have been watching the prices for a while. It seems like the market has cooled off, but dealers aren't willing to lower prices. A local garage to me has had this one since late November 2022. https://www.geoffcox.co.uk/vehicle-details/Porsche... Price hasn't moved one bit and with the spec/miles its got i'd say its more like a £25-27k car. I've noticed similar with other cars at dealers across the UK. Without a crystal ball its impossible to say whats going to happen to prices, but with 718s hitting mid £30s i'd expect to see 981s to start to cool down soonish. I'll be holding out for a few months before buying. The Geoff Cox car does look a tad overpriced imo for the mileage. For perspective I bought an almost as new MY 2015 with just 12500 miles on the clock with PSE and full sports seats 981 Boxster (private sale) for not much more than that back in September. That one with 60k on it won't be as new for sure!!

julian987R said: stabilio said: I'm considering a base Cayman or an S if i can stretch to it and will be a weekend toy for me. I've never done the Porsche thing but had a few M cars, AMGs, Audi RS's etc but they have all been my main practical daily driver rather than a weekend toy. Now, I'm not buying the Porsche for an investment but would a 2013/2014 Cayman hold its value pretty well over a few years to say an E92 M3 or an M2 Competition as these are other possible candidates. Any car that will hopefully hold it value more than another will go down better with the missus In a few years time we will see even more closer parity in 981 prices to 987.2's... certainly low mileage 987.2's vs higher mileage 981's. It already is that way.. 981 S £29,990 https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202209179... vs 987 S £29,997 https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202301233... As time goes on there is only one direction - it is inevitable that 981 prices will sink further south and the 987.2 climb much higher. A Cayman R can now go for more than a 981GTS, and will eventually match parity with the 981GT4. 981 prices are a lead balloon, especially so, if I understand correctly, you are going to daily it for the next two years. See the 987 has the classic status now, coupled with its retro looks, it is in fashion. The 981 won't come back in fashion as it never was fashion first time around. Your lame comparison is obviously flawed, try and focus on the line that says "48,804 miles above average" in the 981 advert, it may be relevant. Then try and focus on the line that says "16,094 miles below average" in the 987 advert. That is before we get in to any other minor factors like history, condition etc. Sadly the point you never seem to be able to grap, and it is a complicated one so stay with me, anyone buying a 981 could afford to buy a 987.2, they don't want to own a 987.2 by choice. You are probably doing your best with the little knowledge of Porsche cars you have at your disposal, but this constant 981 bashing is really boring. Try and get a few more quid together and upgrade to a 981, you won't look back.

anonymous said: [redacted] If there was one moron drinking in your local would that stop you going to the pub?

anonymous said: [redacted] The guy is the village idiot mate. Anyone who’s read this forum knows he’s a waste of cells. Vegetarian to boot.

anonymous said: [redacted] I think the key is not to be offended by what someone you don't know says about something you own. It's not some personal attack on you, it's a car and a opinion. Possibly only expressed to antagonise. I own a 987.1 2.7 which is frequently said on here to be too dated inside and out, plenty other threads where it's also too slow etc. Fine it's someone else's opinion. Makes no odds, when it fires up I smile a bit to myself.

anonymous said: [redacted] Spot on. I had my 987.1 2.7 for 8 years which is 4 times longer than any other car I'd owned previously, drove it all over Europe and really enjoyed it. Having moved on to 981s and 718s though I'd find it difficult to go back but that doesn't make it a bad car.

anonymous said: [redacted] This is 2023, you are supposed to let anyone do or say anything they want because otherwise if you do it will be you who is in the wrong. Personally I don't think you went far enough

Owned both, and absolutely love and adore the 987.2 - but the 981 is the better all-round car (just) - not a massive amount in it. Don't worry too much about prices, because if the 981 prices crater, it'll mostly be because of more wider and severe economic factors of which everyone will be in the sh!t. Last thing you'll be worrying about is that your 981 is now worth £7k, you'll probably be unemployed and homeless along with the rest of us.

Do you need an inferiority complex to join this forum? Seem to be some easily offended snowflakes on this thread... But seriously, everyone is entitled to an opinion, whether you agree or not is another matter - however there is no need gang up or resort to personal insults in my view as he still made a valid point. Personally I think the 981 is the most disappointing out of all the iterations of Cayman and the steering would be a show stopper for me vs a 987 say. In 20 years, I'd also side with Julian about the Cayman R being more sought after; but freely admit I could be way off the mark about all of that so we will see. No need to take any of it as a mortal insult however, the intent I'm sure is merely to have a frank and open discussion about the different cars.

Cinnamon4217 said: Do you need an inferiority complex to join this forum? Seem to be some easily offended snowflakes on this thread... But seriously, everyone is entitled to an opinion, whether you agree or not is another matter - however there is no need gang up or resort to personal insults in my view as he still made a valid point. Personally I think the 981 is the most disappointing out of all the iterations of Cayman and the steering would be a show stopper for me vs a 987 say. In 20 years, I'd also side with Julian about the Cayman R being more sought after; but freely admit I could be way off the mark about all of that so we will see. No need to take any of it as a mortal insult however, the intent I'm sure is merely to have a frank and open discussion about the different cars. In a similar vein i'd say a 718 missing a third of its signature engine is the most disappointing of all variants, but each to their own.....

981Boxess said: anonymous said: [redacted] This is 2023, you are supposed to let anyone do or say anything they want because otherwise if you do it will be you who is in the wrong. Personally I don't think you went far enough

bennno said: Cinnamon4217 said: Do you need an inferiority complex to join this forum? Seem to be some easily offended snowflakes on this thread... But seriously, everyone is entitled to an opinion, whether you agree or not is another matter - however there is no need gang up or resort to personal insults in my view as he still made a valid point. Personally I think the 981 is the most disappointing out of all the iterations of Cayman and the steering would be a show stopper for me vs a 987 say. In 20 years, I'd also side with Julian about the Cayman R being more sought after; but freely admit I could be way off the mark about all of that so we will see. No need to take any of it as a mortal insult however, the intent I'm sure is merely to have a frank and open discussion about the different cars. In a similar vein i'd say a 718 missing a third of its signature engine is the most disappointing of all variants, but each to their own..... Aye, you're entitled to your view, which is wrong by the way but I don't think the OP was asking about a 718. I'd certainly argue that the criticism of the F4 was massively overdone and it is incredibly effective with the additional torque better suiting the car compared to the old F6 - but Porsche fans don't like change do they. Sound is muted on anything post GPF, reading the 718 GT4 forums about exhaust upgrades and there's no doubt anything pre-GPF will have the edge. Be interesting to see how the EV Cayman is received in 2025. I'd always opt for ANY ICE Cayman version over an EV but then again I bet they'll still sell them in great numbers.

bennno said: Cinnamon4217 said: Do you need an inferiority complex to join this forum? Seem to be some easily offended snowflakes on this thread... But seriously, everyone is entitled to an opinion, whether you agree or not is another matter - however there is no need gang up or resort to personal insults in my view as he still made a valid point. Personally I think the 981 is the most disappointing out of all the iterations of Cayman and the steering would be a show stopper for me vs a 987 say. In 20 years, I'd also side with Julian about the Cayman R being more sought after; but freely admit I could be way off the mark about all of that so we will see. No need to take any of it as a mortal insult however, the intent I'm sure is merely to have a frank and open discussion about the different cars. In a similar vein i'd say a 718 missing a third of its signature engine is the most disappointing of all variants, but each to their own..... Not if you have a 4.0 Having said that I also had a 2.0 718 too for 18 months and thought it was quite brilliant for the money.

Cinnamon4217 said: Aye, you're entitled to your view, which is wrong by the way but I don't think the OP was asking about a 718. I'd certainly argue that the criticism of the F4 was massively overdone and it is incredibly effective with the additional torque better suiting the car compared to the old F6 - but Porsche fans don't like change do they. Not overdone at all if you think Porsches shouldn't have switched to smaller turbo'd engines, which they shoudn't have Nothing to do with change either per se, as Porsche always change things across generations. More to do with a substantial change that had a huge effect on the character of the car which fans of the NA flat six were unlikely to enjoy.

I went through the models increasing my budget from £25k to £50k in the process looking for a manual Cayman S, with PASM and a few other must haves. 987.2 to 981 to 718. The four pot doesn’t bother me personally, but I do wish the settings allowed me the option of the tighter sports steering and features, without the louder exhaust note.

If we exclude the Cayman R, the only 981-987 price overlap - assuming similar mileage - seems to be 2.7 poverty spec 981 vs decent spec 987.2 S. Price of both is in the high 20s. Which of those would be most worth upgrading to from a poverty spec 987.1 2.7? Personally I'm not bothered by toys, would want a manual, and actually love poverty spec alcantara seats more than leather. So that might tip things to the 981. The Sports Exhaust option would be the only thing I'd really want. Would you notice the extra 30bhp on the 981 (e.g. 275 vs 245 on the 987.1)? Meanwhile the 987.2 S has the advantage on power and hydraulic steering, while looks are more subjective. I used to much prefer the 981 to the 987, but owner bias aside the 987 seems to be maturing like the aircooled 911s did. And for a weekend only use car a bit of old school character and charm is not a bad thing. On the other hand for a daily I'm sure a 981 PDK would easily win. Edited by WayOutWest on Friday 17th February 16:00

Twinfan said: Cinnamon4217 said: Aye, you're entitled to your view, which is wrong by the way but I don't think the OP was asking about a 718. I'd certainly argue that the criticism of the F4 was massively overdone and it is incredibly effective with the additional torque better suiting the car compared to the old F6 - but Porsche fans don't like change do they. Not overdone at all if you think Porsches shouldn't have switched to smaller turbo'd engines, which they shoudn't have Nothing to do with change either per se, as Porsche always change things across generations. More to do with a substantial change that had a huge effect on the character of the car which fans of the NA flat six were unlikely to enjoy. Shouldn't ? I think you are very wrong there... Tax, on anything >2.0 litres gets particularly punitive in certain jurisdictions - I recall a guy in Belgium on one of the threads mentioning some quite obscene figures charged for road tax there on larger engines. If you look at the sales numbers from Porsche for the 981 years to the 718 years prior to the 4.0 they actually sold more 718s directly because they opened up those markets. It could well be argued they absolutely had no option but to go turbo in the same way as they are now having to switch to EVs, for survival. (Most unfortunately in the case of EVs in my view but there you go). If you feel strongly about "character" I think it's to their credit they're still selling a 4.0 and in manual form to boot. Comes at around a 50% premium though, although admittedly it's been a while since I looked up the latest list price. Edited by Cinnamon4217 on Friday 17th February 16:17

Cinnamon4217 said: Shouldn't ? I think you are very wrong there... Tax, on anything >2.0 litres gets particularly punitive in certain jurisdictions - I recall a guy in Belgium on one of the threads mentioning some quite obscene figures charged for road tax there on larger engines. If you look at the sales numbers from Porsche for the 981 years to the 718 years prior to the 4.0 they actually sold more 718s directly because they opened up those markets. It could well be argued they absolutely had no option but to go turbo in the same way as they are now having to switch to EVs, for survival. (Most unfortunately in the case of EVs in my view but there you go). If you feel strongly about "character" I think it's to their credit they're still selling a 4.0 and in manual form to boot. Comes at around a 50% premium though, although admittedly it's been a while since I looked up the latest list price. Edited by Cinnamon4217 on Friday 17th February 16:17 Clever move by Porsche, move to 4 cylinder to address some markets and overall co2 objectives, then release a new 6 and sell at a huge a huge premium as it’s what those loyal to the marque want / expect.

Yep, it was always driven by the needs of certain markets. Mostly China. It wasn't driven by a desire to improve the car, it was done to sell more. This is why, as a fan of the NA six Cayman, I feel it shouldn't have been done.

Well, wasn’t expecting this response 😀 Anyway, bought a base 981 today which should be getting next week with some extras that I wanted as like the more modern interior and toys. 718 prices aren’t actually to bad but still out of budget and not sure about the noise of them. Was close between the 918 and an E92 M3 but was a bit weary about buying a well used M3 and the running costs.

stabilio said: Well, wasn’t expecting this response ?? Anyway, bought a base 981 today which should be getting next week with some extras that I wanted as like the more modern interior and toys. 718 prices aren’t actually to bad but still out of budget and not sure about the noise of them. Was close between the 918 and an E92 M3 but was a bit weary about buying a well used M3 and the running costs. Worth getting it 111 inspected so you know what you are buying, they will also tell you whats required to put a warranty on it.

I have a 981 it’s a great car fast practical economical. It’s going to depreciate but very slowly so it’s cheap motoring . Mine is a 2013 with only 14000 miles . When I go in to the garage it makes me smile , when I start it up I grin like an idiot .it drives fantastic. If a car makes you happy it’s a good car whatever it is I’m pleased you bought one you’ll soon understand how good it is . I also think it looks miles better than a 987 but who am I to judge our family car is a Nissan juke .

stabilio said: I'm considering a base Cayman or an S if i can stretch to it and will be a weekend toy for me. I've never done the Porsche thing but had a few M cars, AMGs, Audi RS's etc but they have all been my main practical daily driver rather than a weekend toy. Now, I'm not buying the Porsche for an investment but would a 2013/2014 Cayman hold its value pretty well over a few years to say an E92 M3 or an M2 Competition as these are other possible candidates. Any car that will hopefully hold it value more than another will go down better with the missus Look! Look what you've done, OP! An innocent, relatively innocuous question and this happens! I'm off for a gin.....they're "In Fashion" you know

Twinfan said: Yep, it was always driven by the needs of certain markets. Mostly China. It wasn't driven by a desire to improve the car, it was done to sell more. This statement seems to be at odds to the fact that every 718 model is dynamically superior to the preceding iterations in every way except perhaps harmonic output. Yes the 2.0 and 2.5 have 2 less cylinders and yes they sound different but every version is an objective improvement. Net result, they sold more cars because it was better.

stabilio said: Well, wasn’t expecting this response ?? Anyway, bought a base 981 today which should be getting next week with some extras that I wanted as like the more modern interior and toys. 718 prices aren’t actually to bad but still out of budget and not sure about the noise of them. Was close between the 918 and an E92 M3 but was a bit weary about buying a well used M3 and the running costs. Well done, brilliant cars, looking forwards to seeing some pics.

Voodoo Blue said: This statement seems to be at odds to the fact that every 718 model is dynamically superior to the preceding iterations in every way except perhaps harmonic output. Yes the 2.0 and 2.5 have 2 less cylinders and yes they sound different but every version is an objective improvement. Net result, they sold more cars because it was better. A lot of buyers buy them for the badge and don't particularly care what engine it has. If it's also in a tax bracket that suits then sales will come I guess. The F4T is a better engine to pass the latest restrictions but I'd argue its not a better engine for the car or for fans of cars with more than four cylinders...

Twinfan said: A lot of buyers buy them for the badge and don't particularly care what engine it has. If it's also in a tax bracket that suits then sales will come I guess. The F4T is a better engine to pass the latest restrictions but I'd argue its not a better engine for the car or for fans of cars with more than four cylinders... Spot on.

Why worry about prices when you can fire this up sport chrono with pse and I’m just a poor digger driver

For my budget, the car had pretty much everything I wanted (mainly the sports steering wheel with paddles and the sports exhaust) but it did lack the bluetooth module. Am I right in thinking there is an easy-ish way of buying some kind of dongle that will let me stream music from Spotify on my Android phone? I don't know if these are standard and whether it helps but It has the AUX Interface, Universal Multimedia Interface and USB Audio Interface.

stabilio said: For my budget, the car had pretty much everything I wanted (mainly the sports steering wheel with paddles and the sports exhaust) but it did lack the bluetooth module. Am I right in thinking there is an easy-ish way of buying some kind of dongle that will let me stream music from Spotify on my Android phone? I don't know if these are standard and whether it helps but It has the AUX Interface, Universal Multimedia Interface and USB Audio Interface. You should have the 3.5mm input in the glove box, along with a USB and 12v socket so you can just get a USB/12 powered bluetooth to 3.5mm adapter and your bluetooth music is sorted. Mine has the bluetooth module but I still use a cheapie bluetooth dongle from Amazon as I found the built in one doesn’t always connect automatically whereas the cheapie one does. Enjoy your purchase!

CantDecide said: You should have the 3.5mm input in the glove box, along with a USB and 12v socket so you can just get a USB/12 powered bluetooth to 3.5mm adapter and your bluetooth music is sorted. Mine has the bluetooth module but I still use a cheapie bluetooth dongle from Amazon as I found the built in one doesn’t always connect automatically whereas the cheapie one does. Enjoy your purchase! Cheers and just ordered one from Amazon so hope it'll work.

Porsche forums certainly don’t disappoint. Having driven an Emira recently I’d have to say the hydraulic steering in that was incredible vs the EPAS in my 718 which is dull and lifeless by comparison (that’s not to say it’s bad, just that I found the difference was very noticeable, feedback and road ‘feel’ were certainly a revelation.) That said I’ve not driven a 987 but could certainly see the appeal of old school hydraulic steering vs the more recent iterations. In terms of values I’ve nearly put 60k miles on mine from new and yet the trade valuations have remained surprisingly strong, but I’m sure that is at least partly down to the current market. In any case I ordered another 718 after the latest Emira price rise as the build date kept on slipping and initial reports of build quality issues and some breakdowns were poor. Hopefully I can get the order processed before Porsche stop making ICE Caymans for good (next year?) Edited by jimbo761 on Saturday 18th February 10:50

Twinfan said: Voodoo Blue said: This statement seems to be at odds to the fact that every 718 model is dynamically superior to the preceding iterations in every way except perhaps harmonic output. Yes the 2.0 and 2.5 have 2 less cylinders and yes they sound different but every version is an objective improvement. Net result, they sold more cars because it was better. A lot of buyers buy them for the badge and don't particularly care what engine it has. If it's also in a tax bracket that suits then sales will come I guess. The F4T is a better engine to pass the latest restrictions but I'd argue its not a better engine for the car or for fans of cars with more than four cylinders... I accept you don't like the 4 pots and that's a reasonable opinion but everything else you've said is clearly nonsense.

Voodoo Blue said: Twinfan said: Voodoo Blue said: This statement seems to be at odds to the fact that every 718 model is dynamically superior to the preceding iterations in every way except perhaps harmonic output. Yes the 2.0 and 2.5 have 2 less cylinders and yes they sound different but every version is an objective improvement. Net result, they sold more cars because it was better. A lot of buyers buy them for the badge and don't particularly care what engine it has. If it's also in a tax bracket that suits then sales will come I guess. The F4T is a better engine to pass the latest restrictions but I'd argue its not a better engine for the car or for fans of cars with more than four cylinders... I accept you don't like the 4 pots and that's a reasonable opinion but everything else you've said is clearly nonsense. We’re not on the board of directors in Stuttgart, but it’s probably fair to say a huge factor in introducing the 4 pot was the company-wide emissions footprint. As for me - I think the 4 pot is effective, but a whole lot of the experience is lost.

Royal Jelly said: Voodoo Blue said: Twinfan said: Voodoo Blue said: This statement seems to be at odds to the fact that every 718 model is dynamically superior to the preceding iterations in every way except perhaps harmonic output. Yes the 2.0 and 2.5 have 2 less cylinders and yes they sound different but every version is an objective improvement. Net result, they sold more cars because it was better. A lot of buyers buy them for the badge and don't particularly care what engine it has. If it's also in a tax bracket that suits then sales will come I guess. The F4T is a better engine to pass the latest restrictions but I'd argue its not a better engine for the car or for fans of cars with more than four cylinders... I accept you don't like the 4 pots and that's a reasonable opinion but everything else you've said is clearly nonsense. We’re not on the board of directors in Stuttgart, but it’s probably fair to say a huge factor in introducing the 4 pot was the company-wide emissions footprint. As for me - I think the 4 pot is effective, but a whole lot of the experience is lost. And that's a far more balanced opinion which requires no evidential support.

Voodoo Blue said: I accept you don't like the 4 pots and that's a reasonable opinion but everything else you've said is clearly nonsense. I tried to keep emotion out of it and stay factual: The NA 6 was replaced by an F4T for emissions, market positioning vs the 911 and market sales reasons - not outright performance. I think that's a fairly well known truth? If you really like NA 6 engines you're probably less likely to like an F4T. Fairly true based on comments on here? Lots of Porsche sales go to people who don't care about the engine. As an example, I've seen plenty of Boxsters of every generation driven around Cheshire by a particular demographic of middle aged white lady of a certain age. I don't know for sure, and I'm sure it is in some cases, but I'm fairly confident that a lot of the owners did not specifically chose the car for its dynamic abilities or aural signature given they way they're driven. I get you're a fan of the F4T, and I get that it doesn't appeal to me but it does to others, however to say Porsche chose this path because it was the best thing to do for the car seems a little blinkered. What exactly have I said is nonsense? Please enlighten me, I'm more than happy to be corrected.

Twinfan said: Voodoo Blue said: I accept you don't like the 4 pots and that's a reasonable opinion but everything else you've said is clearly nonsense. I tried to keep emotion out of it and stay factual: The NA 6 was replaced by an F4T for emissions, market positioning vs the 911 and market sales reasons - not outright performance. I think that's a fairly well known truth? If you really like NA 6 engines you're probably less likely to like an F4T. Fairly true based on comments on here? Lots of Porsche sales go to people who don't care about the engine. As an example, I've seen plenty of Boxsters of every generation driven around Cheshire by a particular demographic of middle aged white lady of a certain age. I don't know for sure, and I'm sure it is in some cases, but I'm fairly confident that a lot of the owners did not specifically chose the car for its dynamic abilities or aural signature given they way they're driven. I get you're a fan of the F4T, and I get that it doesn't appeal to me but it does to others, however to say Porsche chose this path because it was the best thing to do for the car seems a little blinkered. What exactly have I said is nonsense? Please enlighten me, I'm more than happy to be corrected. Well let's see: The NA 6 was replaced by an F4T for emissions, market positioning vs the 911 and market sales reasons - not outright performance. I think that's a fairly well known truth? The omissions bit is probably true (I wasn't in the room when these decisions were made so can't be sure), the rest is your opinion unless you can provide evidential support. You would probably need to speak to all the people in all the relevant departments in Porsche and their commercial partners who were involved in reaching these decisions to be absolutely sure. Happy to apologise if you can prove otherwise. If you really like NA 6 engines you're probably less likely to like an F4T. Fairly true based on comments on here? This is your opinion and yes the opinion of others on PH but there are equally many on PH with the opposing opinion so to be fair this cannot be deemed "true" even on the basis of probability. Again, happy to apologise if you can prove otherwise Lots of Porsche sales go to people who don't care about the engine. As an example, I've seen plenty of Boxsters of every generation driven around Cheshire by a particular demographic of middle aged white lady of a certain age. I don't know for sure, and I'm sure it is in some cases, but I'm fairly confident that a lot of the owners did not specifically chose the car for its dynamic abilities or aural signature given they way they're driven. Okay this is probably the obvious "nonsense" bit. You've come to the conclusion that lots of people drive Boxsters without caring about the engine based on the visual evidence of some ladies of a certain age driving them around Cheshire. Come on, if you read that from someone else on here even you would think that is complete nonsense? You also seem to have come to to that conclusion further on in the paragraph yourself by being unsure but fairly confident in your opinion. (Nonsense = spoken or written words that make no sense). Fortunately my wife, who is of a certain age, drives a 981 Cayman and cares very much about the engine in her car so it seems missed your assumptive conclusion by a). Not living in Cheshire, b). Drives a Cayman and not a Boxster and c). Much prefers the NA 6 cylinder engine to the 2.0 4 pot I owned (there you go I've even provided someone else to support your second point but that still doesn't make it true ) But to be clear, how do you know why they bought them, did you ask them, did you ask the dealers who sold them? No, it's an assumption based on your own opinion and nothing more. Having said that,I don't doubt that you are correct in some cases but you cannot say with any certainty what their buying criteria was and why they all bought them. Oh yes and I thought my 2.0 Boxster was quite brilliant for the money and enjoyed every mile in it. I now have the pleasure of owning a 4.0 Boxster and am enjoying driving that too so have the benefit of forming my opinion based on extensive experience of both albeit personal to me. I hope that helps but if you have any other questions or need further clarification please let me know.

I'm not sure you'd believe me even if I said I worked for Porsche AG and had access to all the data you seem to want Voodoo Blue said: Well let's see: The NA 6 was replaced by an F4T for emissions, market positioning vs the 911 and market sales reasons - not outright performance. I think that's a fairly well known truth? The omissions bit is probably true (I wasn't in the room when these decisions were made so can't be sure), the rest is your opinion unless you can provide evidential support. You would probably need to speak to all the people in all the relevant departments in Porsche and their commercial partners who were involved in reaching these decisions to be absolutely sure. Happy to apologise if you can prove otherwise. So it's just coincidence that the Chinese market, which is huge sales region for Porsche, happen to have a 2.0ltr engine size tax level? And it's not true that the 911 is the Porsche golden goose that they protect by not giving the good stuff to other models? Voodoo Blue said: If you really like NA 6 engines you're probably less likely to like an F4T. Fairly true based on comments on here? This is your opinion and yes the opinion of others on PH but there are equally many on PH with the opposing opinion so to be fair this cannot be deemed "true" even on the basis of probability. Again, happy to apologise if you can prove otherwise I disagree there are equal numbers here on PH who prefer the F4T to the NA6 based on comments and threads over the last few years, but it's a subjective view I grant you. I'm surprised you feel it's a 50/50 split, maybe others need to chime in with their views on this? Voodoo Blue said: Lots of Porsche sales go to people who don't care about the engine. As an example, I've seen plenty of Boxsters of every generation driven around Cheshire by a particular demographic of middle aged white lady of a certain age. I don't know for sure, and I'm sure it is in some cases, but I'm fairly confident that a lot of the owners did not specifically chose the car for its dynamic abilities or aural signature given they way they're driven. Okay this is probably the obvious "nonsense" bit. You've come to the conclusion that lots of people drive Boxsters without caring about the engine based on the visual evidence of some ladies of a certain age driving them around Cheshire. Come on, if you read that from someone else on here even you would think that is complete nonsense? You also seem to have come to to that conclusion further on in the paragraph yourself by being unsure but fairly confident in your opinion. (Nonsense = spoken or written words that make no sense). Fortunately my wife, who is of a certain age, drives a 981 Cayman and cares very much about the engine in her car so it seems missed your assumptive conclusion by a). Not living in Cheshire, b). Drives a Cayman and not a Boxster and c). Much prefers the NA 6 cylinder engine to the 2.0 4 pot I owned (there you go I've even provided someone else to support your second point but that still doesn't make it true ) But to be clear, how do you know why they bought them, did you ask them, did you ask the dealers who sold them? No, it's an assumption based on your own opinion and nothing more. Having said that,I don't doubt that you are correct in some cases but you cannot say with any certainty what their buying criteria was and why they all bought them. Not sure it's obviously "nonsense" as you've basically agreed with me and made the same sorts of comments I mentioned the Cheshire ladies as an example. I'm sure there are many others that buy a Porsche for the badge alone, it's one of the world's top brands remember, so that alone will invite sales over the exact spec of the vehicle. Like a Rolex, do you think every single buyer owns one for the finer details of the movement or do you maybe think a lot of people buy them just to flash around on their wrists? The Chinese market is similar for both brands, it's a cultural status thing. Having a Western badge of honour is very desirable over there. Your wife is irrelevant to the argument, I'm not sure why you think she is? I was referring to a particular demographic and she is not the one I used in my example is she? Even if she was, I was referring to the majority of that group not every single one. Not everyone fits the stereotype, but it's a stereotype for a reason hence you agreeing by saying "Having said that,I don't doubt that you are correct in some cases but you cannot say with any certainty what their buying criteria was and why they all bought them." So again I dispute your nonsense claim. I'm expressing my opinions based on evidence and logic, that isn't exactly nonsense is it?

TheOctaneAddict said: I'm in the market for a 981 and have been watching the prices for a while. It seems like the market has cooled off, but dealers aren't willing to lower prices. A local garage to me has had this one since late November 2022. https://www.geoffcox.co.uk/vehicle-details/Porsche... Price hasn't moved one bit and with the spec/miles its got i'd say its more like a £25-27k car. I've noticed similar with other cars at dealers across the UK. Without a crystal ball its impossible to say whats going to happen to prices, but with 718s hitting mid £30s i'd expect to see 981s to start to cool down soonish. I'll be holding out for a few months before buying. If cars do not start selling in spring then prices may cool, plenty sitting there and prices not budging, post spring we will see what the market is truly like, i certainly think it will cool more, how much, I dont know. I don't really like waiting so if I wasn't so busy with 2nd little ones arrival in 2 months and work this year I'd buy now, lifes to short to wait for a few grand imo, heck I bought a GTS in 2021 summer peak prices lol.

Twinfan said: I'm not sure you'd believe me even if I said I worked for Porsche AG and had access to all the data you seem to want Voodoo Blue said: Well let's see: The NA 6 was replaced by an F4T for emissions, market positioning vs the 911 and market sales reasons - not outright performance. I think that's a fairly well known truth? The omissions bit is probably true (I wasn't in the room when these decisions were made so can't be sure), the rest is your opinion unless you can provide evidential support. You would probably need to speak to all the people in all the relevant departments in Porsche and their commercial partners who were involved in reaching these decisions to be absolutely sure. Happy to apologise if you can prove otherwise. So it's just coincidence that the Chinese market, which is huge sales region for Porsche, happen to have a 2.0ltr engine size tax level? And it's not true that the 911 is the Porsche golden goose that they protect by not giving the good stuff to other models? Voodoo Blue said: If you really like NA 6 engines you're probably less likely to like an F4T. Fairly true based on comments on here? This is your opinion and yes the opinion of others on PH but there are equally many on PH with the opposing opinion so to be fair this cannot be deemed "true" even on the basis of probability. Again, happy to apologise if you can prove otherwise I disagree there are equal numbers here on PH who prefer the F4T to the NA6 based on comments and threads over the last few years, but it's a subjective view I grant you. I'm surprised you feel it's a 50/50 split, maybe others need to chime in with their views on this? Voodoo Blue said: Lots of Porsche sales go to people who don't care about the engine. As an example, I've seen plenty of Boxsters of every generation driven around Cheshire by a particular demographic of middle aged white lady of a certain age. I don't know for sure, and I'm sure it is in some cases, but I'm fairly confident that a lot of the owners did not specifically chose the car for its dynamic abilities or aural signature given they way they're driven. Okay this is probably the obvious "nonsense" bit. You've come to the conclusion that lots of people drive Boxsters without caring about the engine based on the visual evidence of some ladies of a certain age driving them around Cheshire. Come on, if you read that from someone else on here even you would think that is complete nonsense? You also seem to have come to to that conclusion further on in the paragraph yourself by being unsure but fairly confident in your opinion. (Nonsense = spoken or written words that make no sense). Fortunately my wife, who is of a certain age, drives a 981 Cayman and cares very much about the engine in her car so it seems missed your assumptive conclusion by a). Not living in Cheshire, b). Drives a Cayman and not a Boxster and c). Much prefers the NA 6 cylinder engine to the 2.0 4 pot I owned (there you go I've even provided someone else to support your second point but that still doesn't make it true ) But to be clear, how do you know why they bought them, did you ask them, did you ask the dealers who sold them? No, it's an assumption based on your own opinion and nothing more. Having said that,I don't doubt that you are correct in some cases but you cannot say with any certainty what their buying criteria was and why they all bought them. Not sure it's obviously "nonsense" as you've basically agreed with me and made the same sorts of comments I mentioned the Cheshire ladies as an example. I'm sure there are many others that buy a Porsche for the badge alone, it's one of the world's top brands remember, so that alone will invite sales over the exact spec of the vehicle. Like a Rolex, do you think every single buyer owns one for the finer details of the movement or do you maybe think a lot of people buy them just to flash around on their wrists? The Chinese market is similar for both brands, it's a cultural status thing. Having a Western badge of honour is very desirable over there. Your wife is irrelevant to the argument, I'm not sure why you think she is? I was referring to a particular demographic and she is not the one I used in my example is she? Even if she was, I was referring to the majority of that group not every single one. Not everyone fits the stereotype, but it's a stereotype for a reason hence you agreeing by saying "Having said that,I don't doubt that you are correct in some cases but you cannot say with any certainty what their buying criteria was and why they all bought them." So again I dispute your nonsense claim. I'm expressing my opinions based on evidence and logic, that isn't exactly nonsense is it? Well that made me giggle I read your response 3 times to try and understand it in relation to the content and context of your previous posts and have concluded that my original hypothesis was correct which of course you're more than welcome to disagree with. Edited by Voodoo Blue on Saturday 18th February 16:14

Twinfan said: What exactly have I said is nonsense? Please enlighten me, I'm more than happy to be corrected. Nothing - you are spot IMO. The 4 cyl engine exists mainly because of the Chinese market, it is hardly an industry secret. Porsche worked out soon enough there were enough people out there sufficiently unhappy with the new 4 cyl to justify bringing the old 6 cyl back. Do you seriously think they could not have got another 50PS out of the 2.5 if they wanted to, it would have been a lot easier than offering three different engines? So they brought it back to keep everyone happy and earn a few quid in the process - clever. Does the 4 cyl do the job, yes, do I like it, no, would I want to buy a car with it in it, no - you don't have to look very far to find others who think the same. If someone else likes it and wants to buy one I am delighted for them, I would never run down anyone's car, enjoy, have fun, but not one for me. This really isn't complicated

TheOctaneAddict said: Still enjoying mine, over 10,000 trouble free miles, 3 trackdays and numerous road trips. Its going in for a major service shortly and then needs a fresh MOT. I can see me holding onto it for at least another year. Every time my eye wanders I go for a drive and i'm back in love with it. Glad you're enjoying it! Hold onto it! That's the other thing I've enjoyed about my 981, it feels special but it's not a £100k 911 that you really want to keep the miles off of and polish every weekend. It's the Porsche you can actually use and enjoy without worrying too much.

Jolly said: Glad you're enjoying it! Hold onto it! That's the other thing I've enjoyed about my 981, it feels special but it's not a £100k 911 that you really want to keep the miles off of and polish every weekend. It's the Porsche you can actually use and enjoy without worrying too much. Think that about sums them up really. I've had a CGTS for 2 years and, whilst it feels awesome to drive, it's not the kind of car I worry about piling miles onto. Just booked another 3 track days to kick the year off

Great advice thank you TheOctaneAddict said: They have pretty much no equipment as standard, as its my daily I wanted a car with: Cruise Control Heated Seats Front and Rear Parking Sensors Bose Stereo I also really wanted it to look and feel a little more special so I hunted for a car that had the above and: Sports Exhaust Sport Chrono Sports Steering Wheel 20" Wheels Sports Seats are also a nice to have but I couldn't find one with them. PASM isn't a must have IMO as the standard suspension is perfect for our roads. Edited by TheOctaneAddict on Tuesday 23 January 14:42

TheOctaneAddict said: They have pretty much no equipment as standard, as its my daily I wanted a car with: Cruise Control Heated Seats Front and Rear Parking Sensors Bose Stereo I also really wanted it to look and feel a little more special so I hunted for a car that had the above and: Sports Exhaust Sport Chrono Sports Steering Wheel 20" Wheels Sports Seats are also a nice to have but I couldn't find one with them. PASM isn't a must have IMO as the standard suspension is perfect for our roads. Exactly my car and preferred options apart from Sport Chrono, which I particularly didn’t want. I didn’t want the hassle of active engine mounts, they fail regularly and I can’t see the point of them.

the benno said: Great advice thank you TheOctaneAddict said: They have pretty much no equipment as standard, as its my daily I wanted a car with: Cruise Control Heated Seats Front and Rear Parking Sensors Bose Stereo I also really wanted it to look and feel a little more special so I hunted for a car that had the above and: Sports Exhaust Sport Chrono Sports Steering Wheel 20" Wheels Sports Seats are also a nice to have but I couldn't find one with them. PASM isn't a must have IMO as the standard suspension is perfect for our roads. Edited by TheOctaneAddict on Tuesday 23 January 14:42 Same as mine, but I have PASM also. Don't use it much, but if track days are in the mix, then I'd say it's well worth having. Sports Exhaust for me is a must. Why wouldn't you want to hear every single note and decibel of that glorious flat 6? It's quite childish, but I drive with it on all the time.

P.Griffin said: Same as mine, but I have PASM also. Don't use it much, but if track days are in the mix, then I'd say it's well worth having. Sports Exhaust for me is a must. Why wouldn't you want to hear every single note and decibel of that glorious flat 6? It's quite childish, but I drive with it on all the time. Like me, you are using PASM in your 981 all the time. It can't be turned off. In Normal setting it still adjusts to the way you are driving. Drive fast, it firms up. Switch to Sport and drive slowly, it softens up. A very clever and comfortable piece of kit. My top option, after a heated steering wheel!

DJMC said: Like me, you are using PASM in your 981 all the time. It can't be turned off. In Normal setting it still adjusts to the way you are driving. Drive fast, it firms up. Switch to Sport and drive slowly, it softens up. A very clever and comfortable piece of kit. My top option, after a heated steering wheel! I stand corrected (and a touch confused). I have Sports, Sport Plus and one with a shock absorber on it. I though one of those was PASM. It's all very clever though and they definitely sharpen up the throttle response and ride. I'll say it again though, Sports Exhaust is a must. Just googled this after my reply above....this is as clear as mud. It sort of makes sense but regardless, I think PASM is a must now. https://carcrazydan.com/blog/porsche-pasm-vs-sport... Edited by P.Griffin on Tuesday 6th February 12:12

P.Griffin said: I stand corrected (and a touch confused). I have Sports, Sport Plus and one with a shock absorber on it. I though one of those was PASM. It's all very clever though and they definitely sharpen up the throttle response and ride. I'll say it again though, Sports Exhaust is a must. Just googled this after my reply above....this is as clear as mud. It sort of makes sense but regardless, I think PASM is a must now. https://carcrazydan.com/blog/porsche-pasm-vs-sport... Edited by P.Griffin on Tuesday 6th February 12:12 From the Design911 website: (The button with the shock absorber image ) Optional PASM, the electronic damping control system, suits the new Boxster models down to the ground. PASM actively and continuously regulates the damping force for each wheel according to the road conditions and driving style. In addition, the suspension is lowered by 10 mm. Forward thrust | Chassis The driver can select between two different modes: ‘Normal’ which is a blend of performance and comfort, and ‘Sport’ where the setup is much firmer. Depending on the mode selected, therefore, PASM can be both sportier and more comfortable than the standard chassis. The PASM control unit evaluates the driving conditions and modifies the damping force on each of the wheels in accordance with the selected mode. Sensors record the body movements that accompany powerful acceleration, braking or uneven road surfaces. This enables intelligent adaptation of damper stiffness for the selected mode, optimising contact between each individual tyre and the road and reducing pitch.

Much prefer passive dampers .pasm is either to soft or too stiff for uk roads.

P.Griffin said: I stand corrected (and a touch confused). I have Sports, Sport Plus and one with a shock absorber on it. I though one of those was PASM. It's all very clever though and they definitely sharpen up the throttle response and ride. I'll say it again though, Sports Exhaust is a must. Just googled this after my reply above....this is as clear as mud. It sort of makes sense but regardless, I think PASM is a must now. https://carcrazydan.com/blog/porsche-pasm-vs-sport... Edited by P.Griffin on Tuesday 6th February 12:12 Shock absorber button is PASM. Pressing this stiffens chassis, but is still 'working' continuously. PSE is not a must (had it retro-fitted on mine). Sounds incredible when accelerating, but pops and bangs when lifting off soon become tiresome/embarassing imo.

mr pg said: PSE is not a must (had it retro-fitted on mine). Sounds incredible when accelerating, but pops and bangs when lifting off soon become tiresome/embarassing imo. Fair...I did caveat my opinion with I'm childish. And I can turn it off when I decide to grow up.

I'm also shopping here for a 981, though stuck between being able to take the roof down and having the (in my opinion) better looks of the Cayman.. There's a real mix up of specs out there, highly specced cars and then missing PSE or PSE equipped cars with huge spec and then the dodgy none Design steering wheel, seems you have to be quick off the mark to get the well specced ones!

Acksaw said: I'm also shopping here for a 981, though stuck between being able to take the roof down and having the (in my opinion) better looks of the Cayman.. There's a real mix up of specs out there, highly specced cars and then missing PSE or PSE equipped cars with huge spec and then the dodgy none Design steering wheel, seems you have to be quick off the mark to get the well specced ones! Both those things are retro-fittable pretty easily.

I will be in the market for a 981 Boxster in a few weeks. I would be happy to hear from anyone considering selling. I'm only interested in a manual.

Acksaw said: ………PSE equipped cars with huge spec and then the dodgy none Design steering wheel, seems you have to be quick off the mark to get the well specced ones! I assume you mean the pdk change buttons on the steering wheel as opposed to paddles? General question to anyone reading this, does anyone prefer the wheel buttons to the paddles?

God no, I’ve got this to fit over the weekend to my 981 Boxster

MOBB said: God no, I’ve got this to fit over the weekend to my 981 Boxster Isn’t there a module that goes with it and to code in?

981Boxess said: MOBB said: God no, I’ve got this to fit over the weekend to my 981 Boxster Isn’t there a module that goes with it and to code in? Apparently plug and play - I got this from Porschemaster in the US after seeing some reviews, not sure how much of it is genuine Porsche but feels nice enough to me

MOBB said: Apparently plug and play - I got this from Porschemaster in the US after seeing some reviews, not sure how much of it is genuine Porsche but feels nice enough to me Hopefully the smaller airbag is genuine, it looks like the later 718 wheel, let us know how you get on.

I did a 718 GT Multifunction wheel upgrade in my 981 GTS - great upgrade, really modernises interior.

981Boxess said: MOBB said: Apparently plug and play - I got this from Porschemaster in the US after seeing some reviews, not sure how much of it is genuine Porsche but feels nice enough to me Hopefully the smaller airbag is genuine, it looks like the later 718 wheel, let us know how you get on. Fitted it today, pretty simple job I can confirm it works 100% with the 981, not even an air bag light I would say it’s 95% of the quality of a genuine Porsche item, it will do me at £1080 delivered including a leather finished airbag You can spec them how you like; https://www.porschemaster.com/product/porsche-stee...

That does look good What’s the rim thickness like compared to the 981 wheel?

A tad thicker but not by much. You can spec thicker still from that supplier though

MOBB said: A tad thicker but not by much. You can spec thicker still from that supplier though Did you fit this yourself? Presumably you'll need a MF steering wheel for the MF buttons on the new one to be compatible?

SV_WDC said: MOBB said: A tad thicker but not by much. You can spec thicker still from that supplier though Did you fit this yourself? Presumably you'll need a MF steering wheel for the MF buttons on the new one to be compatible? Yes - I'm not that talented but its really not too difficult. This is the video that convinced me to buy & fit myself, same supplier https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGFzEVy50XI And yes you need to match old for new, they also sell ones without buttons, heated/non-heated etc

I don’t get why so many get the air bag warning after doing this, I’ve had my gt4 wheel off a couple of times and never had a light yet.

MOBB said: 981Boxess said: MOBB said: Apparently plug and play - I got this from Porschemaster in the US after seeing some reviews, not sure how much of it is genuine Porsche but feels nice enough to me Hopefully the smaller airbag is genuine, it looks like the later 718 wheel, let us know how you get on. Fitted it today, pretty simple job I can confirm it works 100% with the 981, not even an air bag light I would say it’s 95% of the quality of a genuine Porsche item, it will do me at £1080 delivered including a leather finished airbag You can spec them how you like; https://www.porschemaster.com/product/porsche-stee... Thanks for the update, looks like a really nice upgrade for sensible money.

MOBB said: Fitted it today, pretty simple job I can confirm it works 100% with the 981, not even an air bag light I would say it’s 95% of the quality of a genuine Porsche item, it will do me at £1080 delivered including a leather finished airbag You can spec them how you like; https://www.porschemaster.com/product/porsche-stee... That looks really nice. One thing I'm not a fan of on my 981 is the sport design wheel to be honest. It's just too big. Or it looks too big. A bag of sand too - bargain tbh.

rawenghey said: One thing I'm not a fan of on my 981 is the sport design wheel to be honest. It's just too big. Or it looks too big. A bag of sand too - bargain tbh. I know what you mean, I also have the sport design wheel (as well as a spare button change wheel) and I think it is the airbag that makes it look big - that said it does match the dash trim perfectly. The only thing I miss on it are the lack of audio controls, anything else I don't care about.

981Boxess said: I know what you mean, I also have the sport design wheel (as well as a spare button change wheel) and I think it is the airbag that makes it look big - that said it does match the dash trim perfectly. The only thing I miss on it are the lack of audio controls, anything else I don't care about. Yeah, it's the airbag, I think you're right. The actual design is quite nice and simplistic and feels purposeful. Maybe a slightly thicker rim and a smaller airbag would do. Although the newer design is a great wheel and the controls are really unobtrusive.

Does this qualify as a modification for insurance purposes?

jay2000 said: Does this qualify as a modification for insurance purposes? Depends what question the insurer asks you about modifications, but almost certainly Edited by jeebsy on Tuesday 20th February 20:44

MOBB said: Fitted it today, pretty simple job I can confirm it works 100% with the 981, not even an air bag light I would say it’s 95% of the quality of a genuine Porsche item, it will do me at £1080 delivered including a leather finished airbag You can spec them how you like; https://www.porschemaster.com/product/porsche-stee... did you spec the magnetic shifters or are those the oem ones?

I didn’t spec them so standard I assume

i can never quite get the perspective right with the stock shifters but they look slightly larger than normal - really nice in an OEM+ way. might email the company and ask about them. the wheel looks great.

This is quite eye opening for those that think the 911 cost is justified over a cayman! https://youtu.be/z8RDTsr9POA?si=cSSRXbQmVAd_vIK3

Youforreal. said: This is quite eye opening for those that think the 911 cost is justified over a cayman! https://youtu.be/z8RDTsr9POA?si=cSSRXbQmVAd_vIK3 Not surprising, the parts sharing has been their since the 986/996 gen. My 981 has just been serviced and passed its MOT with flying colors, owned it for one year as of this weekend and still love it. Have booked a PEC experience in a 992 Carrera T in March, looking forward to see just how different the 911 is.

TheOctaneAddict said: Youforreal. said: This is quite eye opening for those that think the 911 cost is justified over a cayman! https://youtu.be/z8RDTsr9POA?si=cSSRXbQmVAd_vIK3 Not surprising, the parts sharing has been their since the 986/996 gen. My 981 has just been serviced and passed its MOT with flying colors, owned it for one year as of this weekend and still love it. Have booked a PEC experience in a 992 Carrera T in March, looking forward to see just how different the 911 is. As I am also aware of the multiple parts sharing but I think he was driving more towards the cost of building/developing of both against the quite significant cost differential to purchase each.

TheOctaneAddict said: Not surprising, the parts sharing has been their since the 986/996 gen. My 981 has just been serviced and passed its MOT with flying colors, owned it for one year as of this weekend and still love it. Have booked a PEC experience in a 992 Carrera T in March, looking forward to see just how different the 911 is. I actually drove a 992 manual 3 months ago and I wasnt that much impressed. I do own a GT4 and cayman S and I dont think it was much better to be honest. I had more fun in the GT4 around PEC silverstone

Youforreal. said: This is quite eye opening for those that think the 911 cost is justified over a cayman! https://youtu.be/z8RDTsr9POA?si=cSSRXbQmVAd_vIK3 The 987 front end (bar the lights) everything upto the B pillar, but diferent dash, is exactly the same parts.

Special order Viper Green - could be 1 of 1 for a 981 S https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202510307...

What wheels are these?

20 Carrera’s from the 991, option on the 981