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Anyone got any actual real genuine information? I asked my OPC and was told probably third quarter this year, probably an options list special rather than any unique parts.

I guess not then. . .

Nobody knows for certain, but there have been rumours as follows:- (1) Lateish 2014. (2) Around 350hp by tuning up (or crippling less?) the 981 engine. (3)Perhaps 50kg lighter than the 981 (although I personally doubt this). (4)Maybe cheaper than a 981 specced up with all the options that it will have as standard. As far as I know, the 981 is about the same weight as the Cayman R. If there were further weight savings to be made, I think they would have been made in the 981. (The GTS will of course be lighter if it has bucket seats as standard, etc. But that isnt really what I think people were hoping might happen.)

I'm thinking it will be an options special with little in the way of weight saving. The other GTS cars are made a bit more focused but they aren't exactly too far from the rest of the range. I also think it too early for the real specials in the model life. Do you think the R or in particular the Spyder were big enough sellers to make development of 981 versions worth it. I can't really picture a 981 spyder with the same mods to the bodywork and roof.

Imagine this then: Edited by rob.kellock on Friday 10th January 23:28

http://www.carscoops.com/2014/01/scoop-new-porsche...

Just put my name down for a Boxster GTS - no-one else in so far so No.1 at my OPC. Announcement should be at the Beijing April show with first build slots in May so will be here for the summer.

GT3ZZZ said: Just put my name down for a Boxster GTS - no-one else in so far so No.1 at my OPC. Announcement should be at the Beijing April show with first build slots in May so will be here for the summer. Did the dealer give you any info on the spec ? are they going to be a limited edition run ?

mrh1275 said: Did the dealer give you any info on the spec ? are they going to be a limited edition run ? No more info on spec or availability but no deposit yet either. They didn't disagree with any of the details on the leaked US slides from last year though...

I really hope they come up with some styling like this !!! Just emailed my guy in Edinburgh this morning to see what he's saying - One word "please" !

I hope so also. have you seen the spy shots ? .

Scottish981 said: I really hope they come up with some styling like this !!! Just emailed my guy in Edinburgh this morning to see what he's saying - One word "please" ! Jesus H Christ that's nice, now if they brought that out I think i would have to have one, what a great looking car that would be.

I think it's going to be more like the spy shots posted, with the only external changes being a deeper front spoiler and rear diffuser.. I am hoping Porsche offer some RS inspired colour choices for the new GTS..

I think the GTS is going to be in line with all the models that have been given the title. A bit more focus, but not a major change like a RS makeover. I like that rear view photoshop pic, it suits it quite nicely. A real GT3 type cayman would be pretty good.

pete a said: Jesus H Christ that's nice, now if they brought that out I think i would have to have one, what a great looking car that would be. +1 but I would like mine with the 991 gt3 engine treatment around the 3.4 lump and 400bhp perhaps

pete a said: Jesus H Christ that's nice, now if they brought that out I think i would have to have one, what a great looking car that would be. Tell me about it !!! I just bought a 981 Cayman S and i love it, but i would trade it tomorrow if they came out with something like this. That rear wing is just amazing !

mrh1275 said: I hope so also. have you seen the spy shots ? . Dont know if i could justify trading in my 981S for this as its near enough the same styling to the Cayman S...

^it might get some exclusive stitching options though! S

itsybitsy said: pete a said: Jesus H Christ that's nice, now if they brought that out I think i would have to have one, what a great looking car that would be. +1 but I would like mine with the 991 gt3 engine treatment around the 3.4 lump and 400bhp perhaps That will never happen unfortunately

Porsche this is what we want !

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Scottish981 said: I really hope they come up with some styling like this !!! Just emailed my guy in Edinburgh this morning to see what he's saying - One word "please" ! I'll have one

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mrh1275 said: Pretty! Yes Please!

http://www.gettydesign.com these guys make all the wings which fit, knock yourself out :-)) I am not after a GT3 Cayman myself, don't see the point in one, just buy a GT3 !

The difference between a GT3 and a PROPER GT3 Cayman would be pretty minimal and, for that reason, I kinda agree with MrDemon that there is no point. I think Porsche is right to pitch the Cayman GTS at a slightly different market. Not a near-supercar track weapon but just a slightly more focussed and "sportier" Cayman: a bit lighter, a bit more powerful and with a few performance options as standard. The only complaint that I have is that I think it is unlikely to be enough lighter (or more powerful) than the 981 to excite me.

ORD said: The difference between a GT3 and a PROPER GT3 Cayman would be pretty minimal and, for that reason, I kinda agree with MrDemon that there is no point. I think Porsche is right to pitch the Cayman GTS at a slightly different market. Not a near-supercar track weapon but just a slightly more focussed and "sportier" Cayman: a bit lighter, a bit more powerful and with a few performance options as standard. The only complaint that I have is that I think it is unlikely to be enough lighter (or more powerful) than the 981 to excite me. totally disagree the gts will be no more than the 987.1 cayman sport or a watered down caymanR so therefor not much difference over the standard 981s.imho the current 3.4 engine developed along the lines of the gt3 ie titanium rods and reving to 9000rpm circa 400hp with the caymanR type make over would be a fantastic car for track or road. at least the 997.2 gts gained a wide body and a proper engine upgrade(x51) and not just an ecu tweak.

mrdemon said: just buy a GT3 ! Already got one thanks... Edited by pete a on Friday 24th January 18:23

I might be wrong but I think there are two problems with doing anything major:- (1) Price. A Cayman GT3 would surely be more expensive than most 991s. That won't happen. (2) The 981 already has a lot of the stuff that would otherwise be seen as a big step up (e.g. It incorporates the major weight savings from the Cayman R; has an LSD..)

The only problem Porsche has with offering a GT3 Cayman is how it will affect 911 sales.

mrh1275 said: The only problem Porsche has with offering a GT3 Cayman is how it will affect 911 sales. If Porsche work out they can make more money ongoing out of the Cayman GT3, they will make it and move the 911 further up the scale.

I wonder how many potential 991, 991S or 991GT3 buyers would even consider a 981GT3? The 981GT3 would appeal to a completely different market segment - it's not a 911 and doesn't offer the GT luxury. A 981GT3 would compete with sporty, cheap American muscle cars, M4s, Merc SLK AMGs, new Japanese / Korean sports cars, Jag F-type coupe Rs etc. It's a global business where Lotus / TVR etc don't even appear on the radar for Porsche. If they were brave and actually produced a 981 with 370+ bhp and a more focussed chassis etc they could develop another niche market rather like the 968CS 20+ years ago. The 911 will always be the sacred cow but it shouldn't prevent some overlap in terms of performance from the so-called lesser models. A £70k 981 wouldn't appeal to the same market as a £70k 3.4 litre 350bhp standard 991 or a £120k 3.8 litre 475bhp 991GT3. A performance Polo overlaps a basic Golf, why should Porsche be different in the VAG world? I would really like to see it and can't see a downside for Porsche. But what do I know!

I agree completely. But Porsche has shown no signs of accepting that. The 981 power bump from the 987 tells you that. I imagine that getting 30hp more wouldn't have been hard.)(((((

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IMO the whole point of buying any "proper sports car" is that it's the real thing, not an expensive version of a lesser car. I find it difficult to see a situation where Porsche would want to offer a £70k Boxster/Cayman which blew a £90k 911 into the weeds.

Ozzie Osmond said: IMO the whole point of buying any "proper sports car" is that it's the real thing, not an expensive version of a lesser car. I find it difficult to see a situation where Porsche would want to offer a £70k Boxster/Cayman which blew a £90k 911 into the weeds. Porsche are now owned by VW. VW Golf 2.0TDiSE : £27,635 : 147bhp : 0-62 8.3 seconds : Max speed 134mph VW Polo 1,4GTi : £19,570 : 178bhp : 0-62 6.9 seconds : Max speed 142mph Go figure.

A new pic is up on autocar today. Do not like the turbo type wheels the model will apparently get. No major bodywork changes. Few options and a tad more power seems to be the way it is going.

Ozzie Osmond said: IMO the whole point of buying any "proper sports car" is that it's the real thing, not an expensive version of a lesser car. I find it difficult to see a situation where Porsche would want to offer a £70k Boxster/Cayman which blew a £90k 911 into the weeds. There is pent-up demand for a 'real' Cayman GT4 because people don't want the 991 or if they do, not pay £115k for a mass produced one. The 991 GT3 is an engineering marvel but ham-strung visually and size wise by the car it is based on, its just too big.

As the OP, I've enjoyed reading all the posts on this thread. Now I don't know if I'm a 'standard' boxster / cayman buyer or not, but I presume I'm not unique. My current 2011 Boxster S shares driveway space with 4 rs's of various vintage, a 993 gt2, an F40 and some other stuff too. I bought the Boxster new with the intention of doing a few european tours. My (then) wife got scared of flying after we had one dodgy landing too many and declared she didn't want to fly. So, I thought 'brilliant', regular sunny road trips! I'd never previously owned a convertible 'cos I'm not a hair dresser but I thought that as I'd only be using it abroad, nobody I know would see me anyway. So I tried lots of convertibles, all of which were, to various degrees, shambolic. I was determined not to go near a Boxster because, as well as not being a hair dresser, I am not gay either. But when I had run out of cars to try, I begrudgingly took a Boxster from OPC Wilmslow for a long weekend. When I took it back on the Monday, I gave the salesman a print out of the one I had built myself on the configurator on sunday night. . . The day i picked the car up, I drove straight from Wilmslow to Lake Garda, non stop, over several passes. It took 27 hours. (as an aside, at Dover ferry port, when the car was only 5 hours old, a portugese truck drove in to the rear quarter, modifying it terribly!!) The car turned into a daily smoke because it is just sooooo good at being a sportscar. I was then, and am still (3 years later) genuinely surprised at how good this car is. But now, just because I get itchy feet, I feel the need for a change. I've tried the new Boxster and it just isn't as good at feeling like a special little car, even tho I love the fact that it's a little stiffer with a little less body shimmy. So I'm wondering what the GTS will be like. . will Porsche have engineered out a little bit of the BMW 320d feeling and injected a little more feel and focus? I'm not even fussed about more power, Tech 9 can sort that. What I want is some of the subjective sportiness putting back. The subtle chassis tweaks that turned the 997 into the GTS and Sport Classic. A bit more attitude to the bodywork. A bit more grain to the steering. Not just a standard fit pse.

" will Porsche have engineered out a little bit of the BMW 320d feeling and injected a little more feel and focus" I doubt it. I also doubt the 997 GTS had any chassie tweeks. they will have a 981 R later so GTS is a optioned up car for less money than the options cost if you want them. this GTS will have PASM. May as well spec up a Cayman S with buckets, X73 suspension or wait another year or so for the R Or just buy a R now, all the feel you need.

Boringbeige, I agree totally with what you said about the latest Boxster vs. the previous one, many Porsche fans do, the same with the 997 vs 991. All my hopes are pinned on the run-out specials and the facelifts now otherwise I am going to need to look beyond Porsche for my next thrills.

Re: the above. . . I've driven several 991's too but not a GT3 or a C4 and , rather tellingly, I haven't bought one. The first one i borrowed was a 48hr loan from OPC Chester, when I took it back I told the salesman that it felt like being in a 5 series unless I was driving it enthusiastically, at that point it became really quite good. But that was driving in a style that would only make up a tiny percentage of the cars actual use, so for the vast majority of miles covered I felt as though I could have been in any car other than a 911. And that's not why I've had 911's in the past as daily smokes, because they all felt different to other cars, even when pottering about town; the body movements were different and the steering was different. Now, in the 991, the body and steering move and feel like a mondeo does. So I don't feel inclined to spend a considerable sum on a car that feels like any other. After trying several new Boxsters and 991's. I came to th conclusion that Porsche have lost me as a new car customer. But there is a ray of hope, a last chance, in the forthcoming GTS. Contrary to what someone above thinks, Porsche did make unique chassis adjustments to the 997 GTS, I'm hoping they do the same to this Boxster / Cayman. I also hope they'll adjust the steering calibration to reflect some of what they've learned during the GT3 development. If they do that,and also to the 991, then maybe they'll win back some sports car buyers. Although they're selling so many cayenne's and macan's that they probably don't care whether they sell 10% more sports cars or not. On a related point, I know the 997 GTS is a well liked and popular car but I think Porsche cocked the handling up on the C2s by giving it the wide body for the GTS. You can't increase the grip at the rear without doing so at the front and expect the handling balance not to suffer.

I think MrD is right, unfortunately. The GTS will not be like the R. It will be an options queen. The kind of things that you are looking for - GT3 steering (the best we can hope for now), suspension mods, weight reductions - will come in the 981 R, if ever. I am pessimistic about weight reductions, to be honest. As I have said before, the 981 includes a lot of the weight reduction changes done first for the 897 R. We are presumably well into diminishing returns - once you have aluminium doors, any further savings are going to be in the realm of 500g here and there, adding up to maybe 20kg. Of course, not adding options is the way to keep the weight down (e.g. dont have fat boy seats and dont have pointless stuff like a rear wiper, climate control, heated seats, heated steering wheel, heated nuts).

boringbeige said: Re: the above. . . I've driven several 991's too but not a GT3 or a C4 and , rather tellingly, I haven't bought one. The first one i borrowed was a 48hr loan from OPC Chester, when I took it back I told the salesman that it felt like being in a 5 series unless I was driving it enthusiastically, at that point it became really quite good. But that was driving in a style that would only make up a tiny percentage of the cars actual use, so for the vast majority of miles covered I felt as though I could have been in any car other than a 911. And that's not why I've had 911's in the past as daily smokes, because they all felt different to other cars, even when pottering about town; the body movements were different and the steering was different. Now, in the 991, the body and steering move and feel like a mondeo does. So I don't feel inclined to spend a considerable sum on a car that feels like any other. After trying several new Boxsters and 991's. I came to th conclusion that Porsche have lost me as a new car customer. But there is a ray of hope, a last chance, in the forthcoming GTS. Contrary to what someone above thinks, Porsche did make unique chassis adjustments to the 997 GTS, I'm hoping they do the same to this Boxster / Cayman. I also hope they'll adjust the steering calibration to reflect some of what they've learned during the GT3 development. If they do that,and also to the 991, then maybe they'll win back some sports car buyers. Although they're selling so many cayenne's and macan's that they probably don't care whether they sell 10% more sports cars or not. On a related point, I know the 997 GTS is a well liked and popular car but I think Porsche cocked the handling up on the C2s by giving it the wide body for the GTS. You can't increase the grip at the rear without doing so at the front and expect the handling balance not to suffer. Just buy a R now, and save yourself 20k, they are new enough to still be mega low miles and have full warranty. best time to buy a R IS NOW :-) nothing to touch it for a 40k Sports car atm and even at 60k,70k,80k still rather have my R If you are buying a car to drive, and are not caught up in owning a 911 or the latest model, The R is awesome. they are just a honest car, manual, passive dampers, real LSD, great steering, strong engine, nice torque, good ratio's, light weight. 911 GTS imo is def not got tweeked suspension, I would put money on the shocks , ARB, etc all having the same parts numbers as a standard car.

boringbeige said: Re: the above. . . I've driven several 991's too but not a GT3 or a C4 and , rather tellingly, I haven't bought one. The first one i borrowed was a 48hr loan from OPC Chester, when I took it back I told the salesman that it felt like being in a 5 series unless I was driving it enthusiastically, at that point it became really quite good. But that was driving in a style that would only make up a tiny percentage of the cars actual use, so for the vast majority of miles covered I felt as though I could have been in any car other than a 911. And that's not why I've had 911's in the past as daily smokes, because they all felt different to other cars, even when pottering about town; the body movements were different and the steering was different. Now, in the 991, the body and steering move and feel like a mondeo does. So I don't feel inclined to spend a considerable sum on a car that feels like any other. After trying several new Boxsters and 991's. I came to th conclusion that Porsche have lost me as a new car customer. But there is a ray of hope, a last chance, in the forthcoming GTS. Contrary to what someone above thinks, Porsche did make unique chassis adjustments to the 997 GTS, I'm hoping they do the same to this Boxster / Cayman. I also hope they'll adjust the steering calibration to reflect some of what they've learned during the GT3 development. If they do that,and also to the 991, then maybe they'll win back some sports car buyers. Although they're selling so many cayenne's and macan's that they probably don't care whether they sell 10% more sports cars or not. On a related point, I know the 997 GTS is a well liked and popular car but I think Porsche cocked the handling up on the C2s by giving it the wide body for the GTS. You can't increase the grip at the rear without doing so at the front and expect the handling balance not to suffer. Indeed. Some people like the dual personality of the 991. I'm in the other camp. I want my Porsche to feel like a proper sports car every minute I drive it. That's why I paid the premium for it...

any further news on the GTS ?

What more is there to know. We know most of it .