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Hi, I’d love any advice you can offer on the points below. Discount/freebies I’m test driving a Cayenne with an OPC on Monday and wanted to ask what sort of discounts or freebies people usually get on a used car with a value of c£50k. The car is a 2019 with 42k miles and last serviced in Feb 24 with 27k miles recorded at the time. It’s a base hybrid Cayenne but does have a high spec. A major(?) service is due in Feb 26 so they will obviously service the car prior to the sale. A 2 year warranty is obviously also included. The car has just arrived in stock and is going through the prep process so they may choose to wait to get the max sale value rather than off a big (or any) discount. But it’s near the end of the year and the quarter so timing may be on my side? Is it pointless ask for thousands off? Or how much should I expect the car to be discounted? What’s should they include in the service given the age and mileage? (I thought every N years the transmission fluids and some others were changed regardless of mileage?) What’s the min tyre tread I should accept? I know OPC have their own rules but what should I expect as a minimum? 5mm all round? What accessories do you ask for as freebies? I’ve been told Porsche don’t offer service packages and haven’t seen them offered but wanted to ask if this is true. What accessories are particularly useful with a Cayenne? Hybrid battery Has anyone had issues or are there any known issues with this generation of the hybrid battery/system? If the car is under warranty which Porsche, is the hybrid battery also covered head to toe? Are there any battery/hybrid specific questions I should ask or be aware of? Is there anything else I should be asking or checking? Thanks in advance.

I have a 2019 base Cayenne with now 42k miles on it. It is non hybrid. Mine is worth about £35k so £15 k seem a huge premium for a battery and saving a few mpg

Aprreciate the feedback. Will look online again but it's the spec. will see if I can dig it out and post here.

Having bought a Porsche this week I would say discounts depend entirely on whether the garage wants to do a deal - I looked at 3 cars and discounts ranged from £500 - £3,000 on circa £100k but all the cars I looked at were reasonably priced (in main dealer terms) and the value of my trade in varied by £7k... I think if you are flexible about the exact car and are able to move quickly then you should be able to get some discount What I did notice was that the longer the dealer had the car in stock for the more prepared they were to do a deal (you can look this up on autotrader if the car is listed there) good luck

Realistically the OPC probably has about £10k of margin in the sale, we are nearly at the end of Q3 so worth pushing for something. If the vehicle has been in stock for a while that helps as they want to keep having fresh stock, if the vehicle is fresh stock then they are less likely to negotiate. Still Porsche generally is having a tough time so who knows. You maybe better off looking for freebies such as a PEC experience than a cash discount, alternatively rather than pay cash, take the finance for a discount and pay it off asap as this gives the sales person their commission.

I've extracted this from their website directly so not 100% in case some of these are standard equipment? Exterior Panoramic roof system Roof rails painted in black (high-gloss) SportDesign front apron Exterior package Black (high-gloss) Electric towbar Transmission / Chassis Adaptive air suspension with levelling system and height adjustment incl. Porsche Active Suspension Management (PASM) Rear-axle steering including Power steering Plus Sports tailpipes in black Sport Chrono Package including mode switch and compass display on the dashboard Power steering Plus Wheels 21-inch RS Spyder design wheels incl. wheel arch extension in exterior colour Interior Heated windscreen 4-zone climate control Ambient lighting Comfort seats front (14-way, electric) with memory package Seat heating (front and rear) Side airbags in the rear Heated steering wheel Electric roll-up sunblind for rear side windows Loadspace management system Smoker package Interior Leather Porsche Crest on headrests (front) Audio / Comm. BOSE® Surround Sound-System Six-disc CD/DVD autochanger E-Mobility 7.2kW AC on-board charger Supply cable for blue industrial electrical outlet (230V, 32 A, 3 Pin) Lighting and vision LED main headlights in black, including Porsche Dynamic Light System (PDLS) Automatically dimming exterior and interior mirrors Thermally and noise insulated glass incl. privacy glass Comfort and assistance systems ParkAssist (front and rear) including Surround View Adaptive Cruise Control incl. Lane Keep Assist with Traffic Sign Recognition Head-Up Display Night View Assist Comfort Access Soft-close doors The plan is to keep the car 3-4 years. It'll be predominatly for my wife and she does mostly local miles with the occassional drive across London. I'm not fussed about MPG. Just looking for something that's a high spec. The only nice to have which is missing in this car (IMO) is the sports exhaust. Happy to consider a GTS or S. Doesn't have to be a hybrid. Don't want the previous generation car though. Nothing wrong with it. Just personal preference. Are there any for sale I've missed with a high spec at this price irrespectve of model designation? Edited by aporschefan on Sunday 21st December 12:33

Good points. Thanks. I've checked and the car isn't on AutoTrader yet. It was sill going through the preperation process so will be fresh stock to them.

I bought a 23 plate Cayenne hybrid in August this year, very similar spec to the one you are looking at. I think it was well over £90K new. I got £2K off but that was just after they reduced it by £5K from the initial listed price. So there are decent discounts to be had. That was from Porsche Silverstone. The cheeky monkeys tried to reduce the extra warranty to 1 year instead of 2 but I spotted that and the paperwork was all corrected eventually. Like you I was not really fussed about what model it actually was but I need to tow 3500Kgs regularly and the factory fit bar was non negotiable. It s actually a really nice car and I have no regrets at all. When Mrs BigM is driving it averages 35MPG which isn t bad for a massive tank. We already have all the home charging infrastructure so it s a doddle to keep it topped up with electrons. Mine was VAT qualifying and as I bought it through my business as a business vehicle that was another important consideration. Edited by bigmowley on Sunday 21st December 13:42

aporschefan said: Hi, I d love any advice you can offer on the points below. Discount/freebies I m test driving a Cayenne with an OPC on Monday and wanted to ask what sort of discounts or freebies people usually get on a used car with a value of c£50k. What s should they include in the service given the age and mileage? (I thought every N years the transmission fluids and some others were changed regardless of mileage?) What s the min tyre tread I should accept? I know OPC have their own rules but what should I expect as a minimum? 5mm all round? What accessories do you ask for as freebies? I ve been told Porsche don t offer service packages and haven t seen them offered but wanted to ask if this is true. Most questions already answered but: freebies more likely than discounts, these are low cost to dealer but high(er) value to you just get the service schedule and see what else has been done. And yes, all servicing has a time element, including fluid changes (gearbox), sparkplugs and brake fluid 3mm should be the minimum, even though MOT is 1.6mm. I dont think a dealer is going to do anything if the car has 5mm I've seen on here that some Northern dealers offer a service pack but the price is basically the cost of the minor + major service / 48 months

Inbox said: Realistically the OPC probably has about £10k of margin in the sale, we are nearly at the end of Q3 so worth pushing for something. What you have to remember is out of that £10k is the warranty (let's say £2k) prep work for sale (lets say £1000 plus anything that may need doing such as a service, tyres, brakes, paintwork etc) so that alone could equate to roughly £5k so their margin drops quite significantly. You could be cheeky and ask for some money off but don't be too put off when they say no or the discount isn't what you expect. If you were buying new then I'd expect a hefty discount given Porsche's current state. Used stock... not so much. I always ask for a full tank of fuel, flowers for 'er in doors and something from the Porsche shop such as a jacket or an overnight bag. They can 'hide' items like that rather than take a hit on their profits.

Useful persepctive Ed - i've been trying to get into a Base Cayenne as that 2018/19 spec'd petrols seem great value for early 30s

You sure you want the Hybrid? I would definitely drive both and see what you think. Also, drive a base Cayenne over the S too. I just think the base Cayenne is the best of the bunch, the power delivery just suits the car so well. Also, £50,000 for a car that is coming up to 7 years old? Just be a bit carful, in 4 years it will be 11 years old, the Hybrids tend to be considerably cheaper than the non Hybrids as they get older. I looked at a 2014 Hyrbid earlier in the year, only reason was it was 70k mile car for £10k, which seemed incredible value, there were loads around that £10-12k mark. Same age no hybrids were still £18-25k or so. Big difference. Maybe it will be different with the newer Hybrid, but considering you're asking about discounts suggests that you are not wanting to lose £10,000 a year over the next 4 years, and I think you might. Porsche just offered us £28,400 for our 2019 base Cayenne, which my old man now has, which we bought 2 years and 8 months ago from OPC for £48k with 39k miles on it, now got 60k. Great car and decided it would be silly to sell it, so will stick another years warranty on it in April. I would definitely think this through. Edit: I would also say that both myself and my old man though the newer model is not as well put together, it just doesn't feel as well built. Mind you, I also thought the 2nd gen was better built than the 3rd gen, but, the 3rd gen still felt good. Edited by Ed.Neumann on Sunday 21st December 19:51

Thanks for the advice everyone. What's the perceived wisdom, would a turbo of the same age and an even higher spec hold its value better? Both are 2019, both (IMO) are a high spec. The turbo is arguably a higher spec. The turbo is listed at £6k more and has 5 previous owners compared to 1 previous owner on the hybrid. The hybrid will have a service before it's sold as the last service was in Feb 24 and almost 20k miles ago. I just stumbled on the turbo and will call tomorrow for more info. I can't see it on AT so can't determine how long it's been on sale. Zooming into the interior images shows 17.12.25 so if that's the date they took the images to market the car, it's not been on sale very long. To be honest, it'll be great to own the turbo but I'm not fussed about the performance. Generally speaking it's 20/30/40 pretty much everywhere my wife drives. I do question why it has 5 owners in the same period though. https://finder.porsche.com/gb/en-GB/details/porsch... Edited by aporschefan on Monday 22 December 06:03 Edited by aporschefan on Monday 22 December 07:07

As other’s have said it is quarter end so that’s a good time to get a discount, the fact the car is brand new in stock makes them less likely to do a deal though. If you live locally you’re more likely to get a deal than if you live 200 miles away etc etc Obviously if you take finance that will help too.

As above I have a Cayenne base. The car goes well. I also have a 992 turbo s that goes better ! I am not sure that really powerful cayenne as in the turbo really suits the sort of car it is.

aporschefan said: I do question why it has 5 owners in the same period though. 13mpg maybe?

Jeremy-75qq8 said: As above I have a Cayenne base. The car goes well. I also have a 992 turbo s that goes better ! I am not sure that really powerful cayenne as in the turbo really suits the sort of car it is. The low down torque of the Base Cayenne just suits the car much better than the S or GTS, turbo is lovely, but that mid teens MPG would soon get annoying. The base Cayenne will get 28mpg and has plenty of poke. The Platinum will aways be desirable. For £50k you can be in a 2022/23 Platinum, and in 4 years time it will still be £30k.

The hybrid battery will have a run out date. After 7yrs (or it could be 8) the high voltage battery is excluded from the extended warranty. You can still apply a warranty that covers other components but on the EV/Hybrid range if doesn't apply to the battery. It depends on your appetite for risk, whether you can get any EV/hybrid incentives, how you pay for it and how long you intend to keep it. I've not looked into it in any great detail as a high value EV doesn't interest me in the slightest as a private user but I wonder if there is a significant price drop when selling on a car with battery warranty remaining and one where it has just or is about to expire?

Earlier this year my 2017 hybrid battery rapidly degraded to a range of 5 or 6 miles. Had to replace it with a used one from a smashed one. Even with the replaced battery and restored range it was a hard car to sell.

This hybrid cayenne has been on the market for nearly a year… http://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/2025013186... They can’t shift it. I’ve looked at it and it’s essentially mint. 2 owners, 23000 miles. There just isn’t seemingly much resale appetite for this sort of thing.

I spoke with OPC yesterday and they mentioned the battery range we see as 0-100% is not actually 0% or 100%. When we see 0% there is approximately 20% of the acutal battery remaining but is not available and similarly with 100%, it's actually 80% of the actual battery range. Obvious reasons why the manufacter would do this but if this is true, why would the real world range deplete to the 10 miles? Even 8-/9/10 years later.

Ed.Neumann said: 13mpg maybe? Crazy that someone is willing to spend a considerable amount of money of the purchase and add insurance and (unless circumstances change) the low mpg is an issue. I'm sure it happens though.

aporschefan said: I spoke with OPC yesterday and they mentioned the battery range we see as 0-100% is not actually 0% or 100%. When we see 0% there is approximately 20% of the acutal battery remaining but is not available and similarly with 100%, it's actually 80% of the actual battery range. Obvious reasons why the manufacter would do this but if this is true, why would the real world range deplete to the 10 miles? Even 8-/9/10 years later. And why would they recommend charging only to 80% unless the extra capacity is required ?

My understanding is to maximise battery life, batteries (including phones batteries for example) should be charged once they have 20% charge remaining. They should not not be charged more than 80-85%. Apparently this helps with battery longevity.

aporschefan said: My understanding is to maximise battery life, batteries (including phones batteries for example) should be charged once they have 20% charge remaining. They should not not be charged more than 80-85%. Apparently this helps with battery longevity. Except iPhone carry out 'optimised' battery charging monitoring your charging habits and put the last amount of charge in when you're expected to disconnect it, ie in the morning after overnight charging. The phone still charges to 100%. To charge someting to 85% capacity only sounds b ks unless they quote max range on 85%?

I wouldn't worry about the battery imho. That 2014 car with 70k odd miles on it at £10k I scanned with Durametric and it was showing all the cells were perfect still. They are pretty heavy cars anyway, the hyrbids feel even heavier and imho are simply no where near as nice to drive.

aporschefan said: Ed.Neumann said: 13mpg maybe? Crazy that someone is willing to spend a considerable amount of money of the purchase and add insurance and (unless circumstances change) the low mpg is an issue. I'm sure it happens though. 13-15mpg soon gets really annoying. Fuel light coming on after what? 230 miles? Starts to smart. £600 a month in petrol doing 15k miles a year? These cars are to be enjoyed in a different way, they are something to enjoy every day, comfortable, easy to drive, just nice. You get all that from the 3.0 V6 and it costs you half that. I think once the honeymoon period is over, the initial wow factor the Turbo gives you, and any petrol head would be wowed by what it does, you are then left with a daily driver that is costing a fortune run and depreciating like a stone too.