Does anyone know this Cat S 718 GT4 - CA21 UPF - Page 2 - Boxster/Cayman - PistonHeads UK

I am trying to find out what happened to it and why it is a Cat S.

Old Trout said: I am trying to find out what happened to it and why it is a Cat S. Pretty sure that car was repaired by a Cardiff lad who bought it heavily crash damaged around early 2022. It’s been on and off sale since summer 2022, not sure if it’s the same owner or if it’s been passed about.

Thanks. The seller is a dealer who has no history. It is very cheap - although I am looking for a track/hillclimb car - I want to know the frame/chassis is sound and straight.

Old Trout said: Thanks. The seller is a dealer who has no history. It is very cheap - although I am looking for a track/hillclimb car - I want to know the frame/chassis is sound and straight. I’m from Cardiff and know someone in the trade who was offering the car about in 2022. Let me see if he knows the full extent of the damage it suffered before it was repaired.

If you can that would be great, thank you. The dealer selling knows absolutely nothing.

Old Trout said: I am trying to find out what happened to it and why it is a Cat S. It’ll be a cat S as it suffered structural damage at a repair cost exceeding 50-60k - wont have been a small one to write that off.

Old Trout said: The dealer selling knows absolutely nothing. Convenient.

The exact same pic is used on https://carplugclub.com/ a site that trains wannabe independent car dealers. Is there anything between the lines there to read?

Old Trout said: The dealer selling claims he knows absolutely nothing. EFA

Old Trout said: If you can that would be great, thank you. The dealer selling knows absolutely nothing. Just dropped him a message with the registration asking if it’s the same car.

bennno said: It ll be a cat S as it suffered structural damage at a repair cost exceeding 50-60k - wont have been a small one to write that off. I know what a cat s is and it does not necessarily mean that much damage. I have seen another GT4 with a Cat S repair and it was nowhere near £50-60k to repair, indeed a fraction of that. Not all Cat S repairs are equal. Some are horrendous, some I would be more than happy to buy.

GT4RS said: Just dropped him a message with the registration asking if it s the same car. Thanks, appreciate it.

AllyM said: Old Trout said: The dealer selling knows absolutely nothing. Convenient. Is the dealer advertising it for sale declaring its a cat S. He would have done a check on it, so must know its a cat S and therefore must disclose this fact to any would be purchaser.

Old Trout said: I know what a cat s is and it does not necessarily mean that much damage. I have seen another GT4 with a Cat S repair and it was nowhere near £50-60k to repair, indeed a fraction of that. Not all Cat S repairs are equal. Some are horrendous, some I would be more than happy to buy. True but if you look at their reviews on autotrader, theres a vast number of highly critical 1* reviews about cars with dodgy repairs or faults. Its a super cheap car, so tread carefully, why not offer subject to it being inspected at Porsche - that'd be a good test of the dealers knowledge and confidence in the car....

TJC46 said: Is the dealer advertising it for sale declaring its a cat S. He would have done a check on it, so must know its a cat S and therefore must disclose this fact to any would be purchaser. It is listed as Cat S - I am trying to find out any info on the damage/repair.

bennno said: True but if you look at their reviews on autotrader, theres a vast number of highly critical 1* reviews about cars with dodgy repairs or faults. Its a super cheap car, so tread carefully, why not offer subject to it being inspected at Porsche - that'd be a good test of the dealers knowledge and confidence in the car.... He has said he is happy for me to have it inspected. I am not going to invest in that unless I can get more information on the repair. I would also use an independent specialist look at it. I had a car inspected by Porsche that had been crashed and they did not even know.

Jones the cat said: The exact same pic is used on https://carplugclub.com/ a site that trains wannabe independent car dealers. Is there anything between the lines there to read? I just checked that - right on their homepage Although it could simply be that they ripped the photo like I did. If I can't find any info on the damage/repair I am not interested anyway - even at the price it is for sale.

Old Trout said: GT4RS said: Just dropped him a message with the registration asking if it s the same car. Thanks, appreciate it. He’s come back this after, apparently thats a different car looking at its reg.

GT4RS said: He s come back this after, apparently thats a different car looking at its reg. Thanks for checking. It was on CAP 110S and then on 718 UNY. I think it was on 718 UNY when it was damaged.

The only thing that would put me off this car is the lack of bucket seats, though I have a spare set. I can't figure out why anyone orders a GT4 or Spyder and doesn't spec proper seats. Having seen the damage, it wouldn't put me off the car if I was in the market for another GT4. The mileage checks out, just the lack of service history, but that could be put right with a chat with the service manager at your local OPC.

TrevorHill said: The only thing that would put me off this car is the lack of bucket seats, though I have a spare set. I can't figure out why anyone orders a GT4 or Spyder and doesn't spec proper seats. Having seen the damage, it wouldn't put me off the car if I was in the market for another GT4. The mileage checks out, just the lack of service history, but that could be put right with a chat with the service manager at your local OPC. Where did you see the damage?

TrevorHill said: The only thing that would put me off this car is the lack of bucket seats, though I have a spare set. I can't figure out why anyone orders a GT4 or Spyder and doesn't spec proper seats. Having seen the damage, it wouldn't put me off the car if I was in the market for another GT4. The mileage checks out, just the lack of service history, but that could be put right with a chat with the service manager at your local OPC. I totally agree about the buckets - there are a LOT of GT4s with comfort seats. Go figure. Have you seen the damage on this car? Be useful to know if you have access/link to any photos.

Doesn't VCheck or similar scrape salvage sites for potentially damaged cars? May be worth spending some small beer tokens on that to see what it brings up

Old Trout said: I totally agree about the buckets - there are a LOT of GT4s with comfort seats. Go figure. I actually want one with comfort seats as I'll do a lot more fast road touring than time on the track. My 981 GT4 had the folding heated buckets and they are a perfect fit for me. The 718 carbon seats you can't specify heating (why they didn't offer this when you could option the seat in a Spyder is beyond me!) and they're a different shape that doesn't suit everyone albeit seem to be made for those more broad in the beam, but not too broad as the more 'stout' driver can't actually sit in them bringing a whole new dimension to the term 'touching cloth'. The 18-way heated adaptive sports seats are very good and you can 'dial in' a perfect fit. Plus a GT4 with 'armchairs' is cheaper

Dimebars said: Doesn't VCheck or similar scrape salvage sites for potentially damaged cars? May be worth spending some small beer tokens on that to see what it brings up I tried that - but could not find anything sadly.

Do a CarVertical check on the car.

Apologies to the OP I thought I had already replied with a link to the photos. If you go to Copart’s Facebook page and search for GT4 it was sold in February of this year. Light enough front corner damage, wing headlight and bumper. No airbags deployed. Seems strange that it’s a Category S, but you can’t always tell from the photos. I’ve seen cars with a broken wishbone classed as Category S (Cat C in my day). It really depends on the assessor. I checked with Porsche the car has a full service history with a major service carried out in June of this year at Porsche Tonbridge (£2500 ) Other than the lack of Carbon Bucket Seats there is nothing that would put me off buying it.

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