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Eventually you will have such features in the PCM system too but for now as long as Porsche buyers keep ordering the PCM with new orders, there is no need for them to change from a CD/DVD based system.
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The CDs have a date marked on them - mine are 08 2003, feel sure there must be a more up to date set by now.
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Also, the complete set including Europe is something of a luxury, it should be possible to just update the UK CD.
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That is why you cannot use a ballpoint pen to write on a CD/DVD.
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Eventually you will have such features in the PCM system too but for now as long as Porsche buyers keep ordering the PCM with new orders, there is no need for them to change from a CD/DVD based system.
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Go back to the dealer and tell him/her that you want one that works. You paid for it, it should be of merchantable quality and fit for its purpose. Tell him this and see what happens.
If the dealer replacement route does not work then try using a CD cleaner service; you can also buy a CD/DVD cleaner, they are quite cheap and are okay for minor scratches. Basically, what the cleaner does is remove a fine layer off the CD from the readable side (the shiny side). Data on the CD/DVD is closer to the top side (labelled side), so if there are scratches on the top, then the chances are the data has been destroyed. That is why you cannot use a ballpoint pen to write on a CD/DVD.
Another route: A good PC drive is usually more tolerant to reading through minor scratches; so you are in your full right to make a backup of your data i.e. make a copy and use the copy instead.
You have a 2004 model, so assuming it is less than a year old, I don't see why your dealer will have a problem replacing it.
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You're absolutely right of course, but having faced up to the fact that I've made a bad purchase, I'm tidying the niggly loose ends like getting a readable CD, getting the handbrake adjusted and putting some oil in the engine. What's certain is that I want nothing more to do with the dealer. As it turns out, I've been able to make a copy of the CD using Nero which seems fine. Thanks to THX911 for the suggestion - a desktop CD ROM driver does indeed seem better at recovering the data than the drive in the PCM.
If things were so badly handled by the dealer, subject to defamation laws, why not name and shame - so no-one else has to go through your misfortunes.
Well done in sorting out the problem - this shows the real use of a foum such as this one.
The answer to your original question was £375, or at least it was for my PCM 1 disk when I enquired. I just wanted an up to date disk but I'll carry on with my '98 disk for now. How the hell can they justify that?
How often are new map-data cd's released? I'm just asking because of my July04 car seems to have CD's that are fine... but they're showing a roundabout at the end of my street that's been traffic lights for quite a few years. Are there version numbers or something? (And what version are we up to?)
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I do find the display the arrow in the middle of nowhere from time to time - new bypasses and the new A43 around Silverstone, for example. But it's pretty rare for it to be a problem and at £375, I'll pass. Pleased that I've been able to make a fresh readable copy. Also, the complete set including Europe is something of a luxury, it should be possible to just update the UK CD.
Prices like this for software is because you are now buying it directly from the software manufacturer with OPC being the retailer; originally it came as an OEM (Original Equipment Manufacturer) item. OEM in this case would have been the CD/DVD player manufacturer who would have made a special deal to use that software manufacturer at a very favourable price. It is just like when you purchase a PC you get the Opertating System for free but when you purchase XP from the shop, on its own, it is as much as £230.
But unlke Porsche/Becker/Navteq, you can download upgrades and bug fixes for free from the Microsoft Website. Why do we have to pay for updates to inacurate and out of date maps when purchased?
I think I-drive(?) is the navigation software used in the PCM and they do not do business directly with consumers but as navigation systems are becoming more mass market many companies (like TomTom) are starting to offer upgrades, add-on (speed cameras sites, etc), bug fixes, etc to be competitive but such companies can do this by having an internal harddrive and a USB slot.
Eventually you will have such features in the PCM system too but for now as long as Porsche buyers keep ordering the PCM with new orders, there is no need for them to change from a CD/DVD based system.
All I expected from the navigation system was to do what it said on the box. Up to date mapping (not six year old data) and TMC functioning. Then I would be happy to purchse reasonbly priced map updates every couple of years or so.
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