992.2 GTS - Page 4 - 911/Carrera GT - PistonHeads UK

Reaction to these seems a bit lukewarm with plenty sitting at dealers at a good discount. However has anyone spent their own money on one and what is your experience/feedback? Thx Edited by ack0 on Sunday 4th January 11:20

Don't think its just the GTS models that are struggling. Look at Porsche sales and you'll see what I mean. I had a deposit down on a Gen 2 Targa GTS, having owned a Gen 1 Targa GTS. The reality being though before I took delivery was that I wasn't really enjoying the Gen 1 model as much as I thought I should, mainly down the how fast/capable it was, and therefore the chances to use it were very limited, so why spend another 50k+ to switch, when the main attraction seems to be the hybrid technology which I firmly believe will devalue cars quickly, but ultimately its selling point was it was quicker. I'll likely go back to Porsche at some point, but will certainly be in the form of a NA, manual car with less power I suspect to try and relive the 'enjoyment of driving'. Potential a Spyder. Don't get me wrong, the GTS is a very nice car. Can be used everyday and does everything needed very well. It just doesn't make you 'drive' as its just all too easy IMO. I think Porsche messed up on the allocations of their GT models, and it will/is coming back to bit them now the residuals and interest rates aren't what they were. A lot of genuine buyers have gone elsewhere and won't consider a 170k GTS anymore.

Thinking the same £140k for 100’s of miles 20k off plus first year tax as not new. Makes ‘s’ and base feel expensive and gts already comes very highly spec so diff is actually quite small. Provided ride/noise is better than .1 I’d be interested.

You won't find much discussion about the 992.2 GTS on PH :- - it's not naturally aspirated - it doesn't have a manual gearbox - it's quite heavy on paper - it has new hybrid technology - you can't make money on one Still, there are plenty of happy GTS owners, including me, who accept it for what it is - a depreciating asset that provides a great all round driving experience. I've gone 992GT3 > Turbo > GTS in 3 years. It doesn't have the rawness, throttle response and ultimate handling of a GT3 but is a lot more comfortable on longer trips. It doesn't have the noticeable lag of the Turbo (S) even if the max power numbers are a bit less. The low down torque is great out of corners or overtaking and I rarely drive it manual mode like I had to on my old R8 - the PDK in Sport mode does a great job of selecting the right gear depending on how heavy footed you are. My only negative so far is a squeak coming from the dash, just like the demo I drove earlier in the year. Fortunately, it's only audible with the music turned way down. There have been some problems with the e-turbo with a few replacements on the first model year, as posted on RL forum. I would suggest limiting your search to 2026 model year. You can tell from the VIN if searching on the Porsche network - MY25 has an "SS" and MY26 has a "TS". You're right about the numbers; there are a lot at dealerships around the UK and not all listed for sale. However, they have also sold a lot. When I first started seriously looking for a GTS in late September, I saved ~40 GTS on the Porsche web and ~35 have sold. So they are moving at the right price and decent spec. I read somewhere about 6 months ago that Porsche were focussing their late 2025 production on the higher value GTS. I thought it was just trivial speculation at the time but it seems to be correct, as it's a lot easier to find a GTS than a T.

Thanks seems like a very balanced view, ride comfort/noise OK ? I know its subjective but I know a few struggled with the GTS 992.1

Great colour too-thanks for the feedback

alltalk said: Thanks seems like a very balanced view, ride comfort/noise OK ? I know its subjective but I know a few struggled with the GTS 992.1 Just about every 911 I've driven has had a firm ride of varying degrees. The only time I recall thinking it was close to plush was an early 992.1 Carrera on 19/20" wheels and winter tyres. I found the 992.1 GT3 extremely firm and that was one of the reasons I sold it. Porsche softened the ride on the S/T and and some tuning companies offer that map for the standard GT3. I believe it's also better on the .2 The Turbo Cab was quite a bit more comfortable - combination of softer ride and 18W seats. I was initially very positive about the car but as time went on and I started pushing it, I never really got on with the handling closer to the limit on the road. I found it a bit wallowy on tight turns and the back of the car would step out - engaging the firm suspension setting would improve it but it's the only 911 I've had where I've had to engage sport suspension mode for road use. I don't do enough track work or have enough suspension knowledge to say what was really happening, but it felt very "rear-endy" compared to the GT3 which felt a lot more balanced. I had a theory that the Turbo chassis was optimised for the PDCC system which was standard on the Turbo S, and if you had the poor boy Turbo version with standard suspension, then it was a compromise. If anyone reads this and has similar experience or any opinions, I'm listening. GTS suspension is possibly slightly firmer than the Turbo, but I can't be sure as I'm driving them 6 months apart. I drove it from Preston OPC back to N.I. via some great back roads in southern Scotland - the A712 through New Galloway forest park (photo above) is epic but the quality of the surface is a bit patchy. I didn't feel it was too harsh with the standard suspension setting, and my wife isn't grumbling. Plenty of demo cars around at OPCs for you to try. Some owners in the US specced the standard PASM (=10mm higher) in combination with the new high voltage PDCC to improve ride quality. Cabin noise is reasonable on most road surfaces and 8th gear is pretty high for longer motorway cruises.

I have just taken delivery of a 992.2 C2, I owned a 991.1 C2S a few years back....as far as I can tell (on my short drive home) the road noise is the same. Mine came with Goodyear Eagle F1 tyres but I have only done 20 miles in the last week (weather) so not sure if they are worse or better than the Pirellis on the last car.

So far up to 14k miles in Hybrid GTS Cabs in past 14 months. Great daily cars, steering and suspension not quite as focused or sharp as the 992.2 GT3s but very comfortable and sporty as daily use car. The 2WDs are more fun than the 4WD ones 4WD very planted. Instant throttle pick to me drives more like a NA car to Turbo one. Very long geared 80mph is like 1700Rpm nice car for long trip and good MPG Late 30s on a run, goes for a new Turbo S soon, sorry to see it go have really enjoyed it, great mix of performance, comfort ,noise level, and fun to drive for a daily use car. Edited by APOLO1 on Friday 9th January 09:46

Moved from a Boxster 4,0L GTS to a 992.2 GTS Cab 2 weeks ago. So far it's doing everything it should. Even in the snow !!!

I'm sure most people have seen this but worth a watch if you've not seen it. Chris Harris on the 992.2 GTS https://youtu.be/-k1RijhaggU?si=oRq62Wv4Dkgp1LKW

Millsy said: Moved from a Boxster 4,0L GTS to a 992.2 GTS Cab 2 weeks ago. So far it's doing everything it should. Even in the snow !!! I’m tempted to move from my Cayman 4.0 to a 992.2. You missing the NA engine or no ?

Went with a friend to an OPC on Monday as he fancied a ex-demo 992.2 GTS Cab they had. He’s had his eye on it for a while. Has been steadily discounted every few weeks since it was registered in Sept. Currently £20k(ish) under list. Said he’d take it if they offered a further £2-3k off. No dice, wouldn’t reduce even by £1. Same story with his trade-in (a three year old Macan). They offered £5k below WBAC, Carwow etc, and wouldn’t budge a penny.

Not Ideal said: Millsy said: Moved from a Boxster 4,0L GTS to a 992.2 GTS Cab 2 weeks ago. So far it's doing everything it should. Even in the snow !!! I m tempted to move from my Cayman 4.0 to a 992.2. You missing the NA engine or no ? Not at all, I ran a 2.5S before the 4.0L GTS and when I moved to the 4.OL I missed torque below 2000 rpm. Once you got the 4.0 L spinning it was awesome. 992 GTS has the best of both worlds. Suggest you take one out :-)

I can't opine on how they drive, but I have now seen a couple GTSs on the road and in the metal the front with the slats looks a lot better than in pictures imo.

Moongem for the win! https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202601149...

Quite like that.

But £180k ??? Even if somebody really really likes it ...

ChrisW. said: But £180k ??? Even if somebody really really likes it ... A unicorn though.

Unique for sure, but too expensive for a GTS, when I move on from my 2024 992.1 4GTS, sometime this year, I am decided to seek a late model 992.1 GT3 Touring, a better car for similar money, in my opinion

Jon_Brown91 said: Unique for sure, but too expensive for a GTS, when I move on from my 2024 992.1 4GTS, sometime this year, I am decided to seek a late model 992.1 GT3 Touring, a better car for similar money, in my opinion Yup.5 years time the difference in value will be a significant five figure sum too. Why you’d buy a 992.2 GTS over a PDK 992.1 Touring as a daily is beyond me

neilf said: Went with a friend to an OPC on Monday as he fancied a ex-demo 992.2 GTS Cab they had. He’s had his eye on it for a while. Has been steadily discounted every few weeks since it was registered in Sept. Currently £20k(ish) under list. Said he’d take it if they offered a further £2-3k off. No dice, wouldn't reduce even by £1. Same story with his trade-in (a three year old Macan). They offered £5k below WBAC, Carwow etc, and wouldn t budge a penny. The exact 911 the OPC wouldn’t budge £1 on 7 days ago has been reduced £1750 today. Go figure.

Is he gonna step back up ?

My OPC recently sent me an email offering £10k off a new GTS, perhaps the factory is starting to offer incentives on this model?

s2000db said: My OPC recently sent me an email offering £10k off a new GTS, perhaps the factory is starting to offer incentives on this model? I got one of those as well. OPC Wycombe.

Far Cough said: Is he gonna step back up ? He’s undecided. Still interested, but the last visit left a bad taste. Wants the GTS but also wants to tell them to F-Off for wasting his time.

Jones the cat said: Moongem for the win! https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202601149... Katie Price spec

neilf said: The exact 911 the OPC wouldn t budge £1 on 7 days ago has been reduced £1750 today. Go figure. A lot of dealers do this, we've just had this on a BMW. They tell their salesmen 'no negotiation' to make everyone's life easier, but then just chose to reduce the prices by algorithm over time to clear the cars. It makes the process easier to manage and actually makes it easier for us buyers too IMHO i.e. buy it or risk waiting.

neilf said: He s undecided. Still interested, but the last visit left a bad taste. Wants the GTS but also wants to tell them to F-Off for wasting his time. I get that ..... I'd go in with another low ball offer and tell them take it or leave it. Nothing to lose and all to gain.

Cheib said: Yup.5 years time the difference in value will be a significant five figure sum too. Why you d buy a 992.2 GTS over a PDK 992.1 Touring as a daily is beyond me A .1 GT3 of any variation doesn't make a good daily unless you can regularly open the car up on fast A and B roads without traffic hindrance. The mileages on Tourings currently for sale would support that none of them have been used as a daily unless daily means <3,000 miles a year. Driving a GT3 slowly like on a typical commute is not satisfying and the low speed ride is very poor. This was recognised by Porsche resulting in different damper tuning for the S/T. I doubt the .2 GTS is much softer sprung than a GT3 but at least the damping allows the suspension to work and it soaks up road imperfections fairly well. The low down torque on the GTS makes it more satisfying to drive through urban and semi-urban areas than a GT3 which needs to the open road. I would tend to agree on your and others' deprecation point, but a large component of that is that you are comparing old vs new and new always depreciates more. However, depreciation on a Touring is a bit of an unknown if you start using it as a daily. The highest mileage Touring currently listed on the Porsche network and A/T is under 10,000 miles for a 2022. I do 10,000 miles a year in my daily which I think is fairly typical. So four years from now how much will a 2022 Touring with 45-50,000 miles be worth? Anbody's guess, but the car mileage would be make it a total anomaly in the Touring market, and the price will have to be adjusted downwards significantly IMO. Then there's the warranty renewal after two years (vs three), higher servicing costs and potentially more frequent services (12,000 mile interval on GT3), higher insurance etc. My last point is the price. You can be in a new GTS for less than £140k OTR or £10k less for a low mileage demo or pre-reg. You're not going to get into a Touring for that money. Unless you can find that unicorn daily with high mileage!

neilf said: Went with a friend to an OPC on Monday as he fancied a ex-demo 992.2 GTS Cab they had. He s had his eye on it for a while. Has been steadily discounted every few weeks since it was registered in Sept. Currently £20k(ish) under list. Said he d take it if they offered a further £2-3k off. No dice, wouldn t reduce even by £1. Same story with his trade-in (a three year old Macan). They offered £5k below WBAC, Carwow etc, and wouldn t budge a penny. I got similar nonsense when I replaced my previous Macan, OPC offered silly money so I did not take the conversation any further. Listed it on Autotrader for 2K more than the WBAC price and it sold within 36 hours to another OPC!!! The delusional salesman was rather put out when he discovered that I'd sold privately, I had to be pretty straight (but polite) with the poor chap, their offer was ridiculous and I sold it easily for £7k more and he was asking why.....

Lovely Signal Orange one listed today https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202601299...

Jones the cat said: Lovely Signal Orange one listed today https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202601299... Each to their own, but that GTS is a pretty ugly interpretation of Butzi Porsche’s original 911. Bigger, fatter, heavier, fussier, more complex. Where are the clean, sweeping lines of Butzi’s design ? The colour, maybe, but the aggressive, all-black wheels and frontal treatment, roof and rear ‘carbuncle’ spoiler ….. No wonder there is so much affection for the older models.

Guyr said: neilf said: The exact 911 the OPC wouldn t budge £1 on 7 days ago has been reduced £1750 today. Go figure. A lot of dealers do this, we've just had this on a BMW. They tell their salesmen 'no negotiation' to make everyone's life easier, but then just chose to reduce the prices by algorithm over time to clear the cars. It makes the process easier to manage and actually makes it easier for us buyers too IMHO i.e. buy it or risk waiting. This happened to me with a second hand BMW sales company. After telling me that no discount off the price was possible, the car price then dropped a week later by double what I asked for! Then he started ringing me again. I told him I had purchased elsewhere as it did not sit well with me. To which he replied: ‘If I’d have known it was that important I could have asked my manager for you.’ Hmm

I understand the frustration, but at the end of the day it is just business and I would not take it personally. If I'd made a bid below their asking price that was rejected on one day, but then a week or two afterwards their asking price fell below my bid I would simply reassess the new asking price on the new date. It is fine. They tried their luck previously and were not ready to sell. Of course there is a time value and carry cost on their inventory, so from their point of view and in hindsight they should have bitten their arm off but the fact that they made a bad business decision is their problem. Maybe my philosophy on this is coloured by my experience on the stock market. Investment guru Buffett made the point perfectly by explaining that each trading day the market makes a bunch of bid-ask spreads available to you. Most of the time you just watch and wait and you don't get upset if the bid is too low or the ask too high. Because eventually the market does something really dumb and lets you buy something for a silly low ask or buys something from you at a silly high bid. It is just business. And the people you interacted with at the dealership might not be very good at it. That's their problem. Don't take it personally: if the deal makes sense to you now why not take advantage of it?

neilf said: The exact 911 the OPC wouldn’t budge £1 on 7 days ago has been reduced £1750 today. Go figure. It’s been reduced another £1500 this week

I've just been reading about the Ferrari 296 and the hybrid battery degradation. I'm not an expert in this subject, but it seems that the battery in hybrids are put through much more strenuous charge/discharge than a pure EV, even at minimal mileage. So cars that are only a coupe of years old are showing 70% battery health. So will the 992.2 GTS suffer the same issue? On another note supposedly you have to do a minimum of 6k miles per annum in the 296 or the batter isn't covered under warranty!

DMC2 said: I've just been reading about the Ferrari 296 and the hybrid battery degradation. I'm not an expert in this subject, but it seems that the battery in hybrids are put through much more strenuous charge/discharge than a pure EV, even at minimal mileage. So cars that are only a coupe of years old are showing 70% battery health. So will the 992.2 GTS suffer the same issue? On another note supposedly you have to do a minimum of 6k miles per annum in the 296 or the batter isn't covered under warranty! We will find out over time, but it reasonable to think it might. I won't touch a hybrid with a barge poll unless its under warranty. As these GTS get old, values I think will drop signficantly compared to the pure ICE versions relatively speaking.

bosshog said: We will find out over time, but it reasonable to think it might. I won't touch a hybrid with a barge poll unless its under warranty. As these GTS get old, values I think will drop signficantly compared to the pure ICE versions relatively speaking. The offset is that the batteries in these hybrids are so small that they 'should' be very cheap to replace. The average production cost of EV battery cells is now under £100 per KwH, so it should only cost a grand or less to produce the complete battery in a 296 or GTS. Of course both will likely be subject to excessive mark-up, though it remains to be seen by how much. At some point when the cars are out of warranty I would expect there to be an affordable aftermarket solution.

GTS Hybrid and new Turbo S come with a 8 year warranty on the Hybrid Batts...

APOLO1 said: GTS Hybrid and new Turbo S come with a 8 year warranty on the Hybrid Batts... I hope that it the case, but have you seen that in writing anywhere? The warranty booklets available to download have not been updated for the mild hybrid GTS and TS. Unlike an EV battery which is covered for 70% capacity at 8 years, a PHEV battery is not covered for age-related reduced capacity (ref 4.6.2 in the PHEV warranty) and I would guess the GTS battery coverage will be the same. https://www.porsche.com/uk/legal/new-vehicle-warra...

Nuttcase said: I hope that it the case, but have you seen that in writing anywhere? The warranty booklets available to download have not been updated for the mild hybrid GTS and TS. Unlike an EV battery which is covered for 70% capacity at 8 years, a PHEV battery is not covered for age-related reduced capacity (ref 4.6.2 in the PHEV warranty) and I would guess the GTS battery coverage will be the same. https://www.porsche.com/uk/legal/new-vehicle-warra... Yes at the dealer in writing on there PC against the VIN no my Dec 24 reg GTS Hybrid that had to have a new Batt due to an error code it stated that the High Voltage Batt on my 1st GTS Hybrid Cab was covered under warranty until Dec 2032. My currnet 2WD GTS Hybrid Cab Reg March last year is covered until March 2033.

APOLO1 said: Yes at the dealer in writing on there PC against the VIN no my Dec 24 reg GTS Hybrid that had to have a new Batt due to an error code it stated that the High Voltage Batt on my 1st GTS Hybrid Cab was covered under warranty until Dec 2032. My currnet 2WD GTS Hybrid Cab Reg March last year is covered until March 2033. Thanks, that's good info!

I've also been participating in the Ferrari V6 section's discussion on the 296 HV battery. I've been considering buying one and have still not made up my mind yet. As regards the 992.2 GTS hybrid system, some things to consider: 1) the strategy that the Porsche is drawing charge from the HV battery is different to the Ferrari. The Porsche is drawing current from the HV battery to rapidly spin a relatively large turbo (therefore high rev / high boost) to working rpm and then it stops drawing current as soon as the turbo is up to speed. The Ferrari is drawing current to drive an electric motor to help turn the driveshaft into the gearbox. So the Ferrari e-motor is moving a lot more metal and likely for much extended periods of time when the driver is on the gas relative to the Porsche. 2) The Porsche battery is 1.9kWh, Ferrari 7.45kWh. So the implication of 1) and 2) is that the Ferrari battery is being worked harder - most likely and all other things being equal. And this explains why the Ferrari requires a significantly larger battery. 3) The Ferrari HV battery is accessed via the bulkhead from the cabin according to a sales guy at an AD that I've been chatting to. Not sure if this is accurate, but this is what I've been told. So it does sound like a bit of job to get to it. The Porsche HV battery is about the size of a regular car LV battery according to what I've read. I believe it is much easier to access and replace being under the front bonnet. 4) I think the Ferrari battery replacement is c£30-40k all in (including labour). I am trying to get an accurate costing of this from a dealer. Not sure about the Porsche, but surely significantly less expensive? Maybe someone on hear can find out and share the information? 5) I think that the average Porsche driver actually is unafraid to put miles on their car, so the car is unlikely to have been sitting in a warm garage for months on end without a wheel being turned. Ferrari - don't understand why - seem to depreciate very heavily with even moderate milage. And so owners pay all this money to buy one and then they hardly drive it. Which is not necessarily great for the car. So conclusion is that yes the HV battery and hybrid system on the .2 GTS introduces more complexity, an additional point of failure for gremlins and an additional consumable item (the HV battery). But the costs of battery replacement on the Porsche are likely significantly less expensive than on the Ferrari. I think Porsche's engineering led solution to hybrids (driving the turbo) is brilliant. Not driven one yet, but apparently the turbo lag is not eliminated, but Porsche's tech advisory is that lag is reduced by 2/3rds. It is a pretty smart solution to work around the emissions legislation. (Engineers have been chasing a lambda = 1 ratio, so not lean, not rich fuel mixture to meet emissions targets whereas legacy performance engines run a bit rich I believe in order to help engine cooling while also producing high specific power output). The Ferrari solution likely results in more immediate throttle response compared to the Porsche, but at the expense of cost, complexity and weight.

The GTS has electric motors in the turbo AND the transmission. The latter produces 150Nm of torque and that's very noticeable in the lower rev range and feels pretty much instant to me. Both motors don't eliminate turbo lag, but the combination results in a much more linear feel than say a 992.1 Turbo and it's quite enjoyable to short shift through the PDK in a way that wasn't very satisfying on a Turbo. I'm not arguing that it's better; it's just different and permits a slightly lazier approach to driving quickly when you want.

I think it’s fair to say though that there will be much less demand in future years for a used Hybrid/EV car than there is for an ICE car, simply due to the amount of potential issues. There will always be demand for the latest and greatest, but a lot of those initial buyers move them on relatively quickly so it won’t really affect them, whereas the same can’t be said for the second hand market. Who’s buying a used 75k GTS in 6-7 years time when the warranty doesn’t have much time left on it and there is a 25-50k ticking timebomb within it ? Doesn’t make them bad cars, as clearly they are great, but does change a lot of other things.

Hobo said: Who s buying a used 75k GTS in 6-7 years time when the warranty doesn t have much time left on it and there is a 25-50k ticking timebomb within it ? Except it won't be £25k. By then an aftermarket battery for a car outside warranty could easily cost less than a four year service. Right now a full 40kW battery replacement (albeit for a Nissan but the tech is the same, it's just a battery) is only £6k and almost all that cost is in the cells. The GTS has a 2kWH battery i.e. 5% of the size and cells and would therefore cost a fraction of that.

Guyr said: Except it won't be £25k. By then an aftermarket battery for a car outside warranty could easily cost less than a four year service. Right now a full 40kW battery replacement (albeit for a Nissan but the tech is the same, it's just a battery) is only £6k and almost all that cost is in the cells. The GTS has a 2kWH battery i.e. 5% of the size and cells and would therefore cost a fraction of that. I appreciate that costs will come down, but you've still got to get to the batteries. I'm not here to knock how good these cars are. I loved my Gen 1 GTS, but just think something is being lost in the quest for more and more power/speed, and that necessarily won't be good for future owners as the tech becomes a concern. Personally, I just see the 993, 996, 997 & even 991 doing well price wise as a result of where the 992.2 has gone tech wise. Personally, I know I couldn't bring myself to buy the .2 GTS, and didn't, as decided to now follow through with my order. I just felt the 'experience' of actually driving is being lost, and I'd be looking for something more raw and something that puts you somewhat on edge when you push it. I recall the days of your Ruf GT2, and think I may have even spoke with you in the Vmax days about looking at a GT2 purchase myself. I look back at my old TVR ownership days, with part dread, but remembering an experience driving them that puts modern 911 ownership to shame. I genuinely don't know what is currently out there that could recreate that, ie something you had a genuine input making it go well, or go wrong if you were lacking.

I tend to agree. Cars in general have become more complex, heavier, clinically efficient and anodyne. More and more conversations seem to discuss the ‘peak era’ for cars, including Porsches, when the ‘driver’ was the integral component.

XMA Simon said: I've also been participating in the Ferrari V6 section's discussion on the 296 HV battery. I've been considering buying one and have still not made up my mind yet. As regards the 992.2 GTS hybrid system, some things to consider: 1) the strategy that the Porsche is drawing charge from the HV battery is different to the Ferrari. The Porsche is drawing current from the HV battery to rapidly spin a relatively large turbo (therefore high rev / high boost) to working rpm and then it stops drawing current as soon as the turbo is up to speed. The Ferrari is drawing current to drive an electric motor to help turn the driveshaft into the gearbox. So the Ferrari e-motor is moving a lot more metal and likely for much extended periods of time when the driver is on the gas relative to the Porsche. 2) The Porsche battery is 1.9kWh, Ferrari 7.45kWh. So the implication of 1) and 2) is that the Ferrari battery is being worked harder - most likely and all other things being equal. And this explains why the Ferrari requires a significantly larger battery. 3) The Ferrari HV battery is accessed via the bulkhead from the cabin according to a sales guy at an AD that I've been chatting to. Not sure if this is accurate, but this is what I've been told. So it does sound like a bit of job to get to it. The Porsche HV battery is about the size of a regular car LV battery according to what I've read. I believe it is much easier to access and replace being under the front bonnet. 4) I think the Ferrari battery replacement is c£30-40k all in (including labour). I am trying to get an accurate costing of this from a dealer. Not sure about the Porsche, but surely significantly less expensive? Maybe someone on hear can find out and share the information? 5) I think that the average Porsche driver actually is unafraid to put miles on their car, so the car is unlikely to have been sitting in a warm garage for months on end without a wheel being turned. Ferrari - don't understand why - seem to depreciate very heavily with even moderate milage. And so owners pay all this money to buy one and then they hardly drive it. Which is not necessarily great for the car. So conclusion is that yes the HV battery and hybrid system on the .2 GTS introduces more complexity, an additional point of failure for gremlins and an additional consumable item (the HV battery). But the costs of battery replacement on the Porsche are likely significantly less expensive than on the Ferrari. I think Porsche's engineering led solution to hybrids (driving the turbo) is brilliant. Not driven one yet, but apparently the turbo lag is not eliminated, but Porsche's tech advisory is that lag is reduced by 2/3rds. It is a pretty smart solution to work around the emissions legislation. (Engineers have been chasing a lambda = 1 ratio, so not lean, not rich fuel mixture to meet emissions targets whereas legacy performance engines run a bit rich I believe in order to help engine cooling while also producing high specific power output). The Ferrari solution likely results in more immediate throttle response compared to the Porsche, but at the expense of cost, complexity and weight. That's really interesting. I have actually wondered what the differences are between the two systems. I am not in the market for either as I'm very happy with a more analogue 911 and whilst I've had more powerful cars I am definitely more comfortable with around 400bhp these days.

But I did have point 1) somewhat wrong. In addition to the e-motor on the large turbo itself Porsche also uses a small / relatively low power e-motor between the 6-cylinder ICE engine and the PDK to provide torque in-fill. But still much lower direct electric motive torque compared to the Ferrari. And unsure how Porsche engineers have written software to allocate torque from this motor and for how long. The rest of it is fine as far as my observations go, as far as I know.

i purchased this with 1200 miles the engine lasted the 35 mile journey home then dropped a cylinder dealer gave me a full refund after they were fixing it for 3 days with no luck needless to say i am wary of the new 3.6 hybrid now

headlesshorseman said: i purchased this with 1200 miles the engine lasted the 35 mile journey home then dropped a cylinder dealer gave me a full refund after they were fixing it for 3 days with no luck needless to say i am wary of the new 3.6 hybrid now Sorry to break more bad news. But you also need a new shift key and full stop on your keyboard. (Signed: the punctuation police ).

headlesshorseman said: i purchased this with 1200 miles the engine lasted the 35 mile journey home then dropped a cylinder dealer gave me a full refund after they were fixing it for 3 days with no luck needless to say i am wary of the new 3.6 hybrid now Or from a glass half full perspective.. the chances of getting another duffer must be tiny

headlesshorseman said: i purchased this with 1200 miles the engine lasted the 35 mile journey home then dropped a cylinder dealer gave me a full refund after they were fixing it for 3 days with no luck needless to say i am wary of the new 3.6 hybrid now Sorry to hear that; at least you've been made whole, hopefully without quibble. I don't know what mechanical changes were made for the 2026 model year but I would hope they addressed some of the failures of the previous model year, so your OPC might be able to offer you a good deal on a 2026 (typically registered after September '25). I understand the wariness though. Did you buy an extra set of wheels for the winter tyres? Looks like they are matt and not then factory gloss that come with the aerokit

headlesshorseman said: i purchased this with 1200 miles the engine lasted the 35 mile journey home then dropped a cylinder dealer gave me a full refund after they were fixing it for 3 days with no luck needless to say i am wary of the new 3.6 hybrid now Sorry to hear this, that's quite bad and not a good sign. As a side note, the stance on the new 992.2 GTS is rubbish, don't like the flat wheels. The stance and the wheels on the 992.1 GTS are much better, with the wheels having a dish/concave effect, and appear to sit wider/flush with the wheel arch, especially on the rear.

APOLO1 said: GTS new Turbo S come with a 8 year warranty on the Hybrid Batts... That's handy to know, thanks.

XMA Simon said: headlesshorseman said: i purchased this with 1200 miles the engine lasted the 35 mile journey home then dropped a cylinder dealer gave me a full refund after they were fixing it for 3 days with no luck needless to say i am wary of the new 3.6 hybrid now Sorry to break more bad news. But you also need a new shift key and full stop on your keyboard. (Signed: the punctuation police ).

Nuttcase said: Sorry to hear that; at least you've been made whole, hopefully without quibble. I don't know what mechanical changes were made for the 2026 model year but I would hope they addressed some of the failures of the previous model year, so your OPC might be able to offer you a good deal on a 2026 (typically registered after September '25). I understand the wariness though. Did you buy an extra set of wheels for the winter tyres? Looks like they are matt and not then factory gloss that come with the aerokit Yes came with new set of summer tyres and no quibble refund its back up for sale now on porsche website so must be sorted.

Schuey_911 said: Sorry to hear this, that's quite bad and not a good sign. As a side note, the stance on the new 992.2 GTS is rubbish, don't like the flat wheels. The stance and the wheels on the 992.1 GTS are much better, with the wheels having a dish/concave effect, and appear to sit wider/flush with the wheel arch, especially on the rear. Its got winter wheels and tyres on in the pic but had new wheels and summer tyres when i collected.

XMA Simon said: Sorry to break more bad news. But you also need a new shift key and full stop on your keyboard. (Signed: the punctuation police ). Aww

headlesshorseman said: Yes came with new set of summer tyres and no quibble refund its back up for sale now on porsche website so must be sorted. And it's up as a 1 owner car!

yes its 2 owners although i only owned it a week

DMC2 said: On another note supposedly you have to do a minimum of 6k miles per annum in the 296 or the batter isn't covered under warranty! This is 100% fake news.......

Interesting PTS colour - Smyrna Green. Never seen it before - looks great and an overlooked colour then in my opinion. https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/19754011

Agree I like that.