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PADM has failed on my GT4 and it is booked in September to get the offending item replaced. Since it went a week ago it's either been raining or I've been on the motorway so can't comment on what it actually feels like! Anyone have experience of what impact it has on handling, I'm off to France immediately after its booked in however if I went without it being fixed would I notice in the alps or would it ruin the trip?

In a similar situation with my GT4. Issue occurred on my last trackday. Haven’t noticed any difference as such myself so far. Collective knowledge says that It fails to stiff mode… which if it’s linked to PASM modes would be on for me anyway on track. I press the button even though my dampers are no longer linked to it. Also booked for September with the hope that backorder of parts has arrived. I’ll continue using the car without worry. Back on track next week at Donny.

I had two fail on my 718 GTS (though not at the same time) and one fail on my 718 Spyder.I didn’t notice the difference on either car - road not track though .

Mine failed on my Spyder after driving all the way to Switzerland and I kid you not it failed when I threw it hard into the first left handed hairpin on the first Pass I drove. I pulled over did a quick google as I had not heard of it and continued , I just ignored it and genuinely I couldn't tell any difference and have been driving it for a few weeks with the warning pinging up when I start it everytime. It's actually going in tmrw to get it replaced under warranty but I do not expect it to feel any different when it comes back.

Looking it at another way, if the alert didn’t come up informing a PADM failure how many here would know? Had a few go when I had the 981 CS. The car felt no different. Not had the pleasure with the GT4 yet.

Even when its working, I can't feel any difference!

Failed on my GT3…didn’t notice any difference. Maybe on track it might show up but not for someone of my ability. Had it changed and about two months later the other one went. “That happens about 50% of the time but Porsche won’t let us change both” Oh good…..

So from a technical perspective, what difference does it make ? Minimise "wind-up" in the transmission ?

Have had 2 go on my 718 Spyder, noticed no difference to the drive either time

ChrisW. said: So from a technical perspective, what difference does it make ? Minimise "wind-up" in the transmission ? In sport plus, it stiffens the transmission (or engine) mounts, depending on the car you have. I don't doubt it makes a difference, but it's very difficult to tell because it's also combined with a "hard" redline and uninterrupted gearchanges. Perhaps it would be easier to tell on a manual car. Even then I think it's partially RPM linked, but I could be wrong.

When they fail / short out they should revert to the stiffer setting so in theory the impact will be more obvious when when driving around slowly rather than when you are hooning around hairpins in the Alps.

asbi said: Left side trans mount failed on mine, results in slightly “thrummy” idle - OPC has parts on order from DE…. Wasn't the lack of all these complicated and marginal parts the reason why we liked the air-cooled RS's so much ? The worst that might happen was an ABS pump or DMA relay .... ??

Weirdly this happened to my GT4 last night. Car has done a tad over 5K and it was a spirited drive in the Peak district given we've finally had some decent weather. I'd stopped for a while then literally set off over a small hump back bridge and the error came up. Like many I had no idea what this error related to, so pulled over and dug the manual out. Called the OPC this morning, earliest they can get me in is 2 weeks, no mention of not driving etc but did say it's quite common. Hopefully they have the parts in stock, but I doubt it.

Any idea on the cost to fix if you didn't have a warranty?

£1500 per side I believe.

WG said: £1500 per side I believe. If your car is 3+ yrs old… that’s your 2yrs warranty paying for itself and then some, right there.

It’s like you’re all talking in a club and careless of anyone outside of the club. What does PADM mean!?

One of mine failed on my 981S Cayman recently. I was quoted just over £1K for supply and fit of a replacement by a local Porsche independent specialist and a tad over £800 for supply only from my local OPC.

maz8062 said: It’s like you’re all talking in a club and careless of anyone outside of the club. What does PADM mean!? Porsche Active Drivechain Mounts - mounts that stiffen up either with the sport button or above (I think) 4k RPM. Effect of solid mounts when needed but more comfort etc. when at lower rpm etc.

Redline88 said: maz8062 said: It’s like you’re all talking in a club and careless of anyone outside of the club. What does PADM mean!? Porsche Active Drivechain Mounts - mounts that stiffen up either with the sport button or above (I think) 4k RPM. Effect of solid mounts when needed but more comfort etc. when at lower rpm etc. Additional info/history https://www.total911.com/technology-explained-pors...

Given the rate at which they fail, and the difficulty of detecting any difference, you might almost think that they are merely there to generate extended warranty sales…

asbi said: According to OPC yesterday, no parts in UK or DE and no current date for resupply.) My OPC got one for my 981S within a couple of days last week but I believe the part number varies across different models.

Had this come up today on my 981 GTS. Brief panic until I got a signal for a google search….. Bit annoying. My car hasn’t been on track or driven hard. It might end up covering the two year warranty I put on a few months back :-)

I took mine in today. Will hopefully get the lowdown by tomorrow - although I've asked them to call me BEFORE doing any unscrewing of bolts or touching anything that might affect the setup. I don't want them to undo the car unless they have the parts in hand, ready to install.

TDT said: I took mine in today. Will hopefully get the lowdown by tomorrow - although I've asked them to call me BEFORE doing any unscrewing of bolts or touching anything that might affect the setup. I don't want them to undo the car unless they have the parts in hand, ready to install. if it's the gearbox mounting it could be a while, mine has been in twice now and still no sign of the parts,on back order by all accounts, I know another 4 people also waiting.

JeffC said: TDT said: I took mine in today. Will hopefully get the lowdown by tomorrow - although I've asked them to call me BEFORE doing any unscrewing of bolts or touching anything that might affect the setup. I don't want them to undo the car unless they have the parts in hand, ready to install. if it's the gearbox mounting it could be a while, mine has been in twice now and still no sign of the parts,on back order by all accounts, I know another 4 people also waiting. I necessarily don’t mind the wait as I can still drive the car…. As long as I can then get it back, unchanged, until the part comes in, as they won’t set the geo back to where I want it as part of their process.

TDT said: JeffC said: TDT said: I took mine in today. Will hopefully get the lowdown by tomorrow - although I've asked them to call me BEFORE doing any unscrewing of bolts or touching anything that might affect the setup. I don't want them to undo the car unless they have the parts in hand, ready to install. if it's the gearbox mounting it could be a while, mine has been in twice now and still no sign of the parts,on back order by all accounts, I know another 4 people also waiting. I necessarily don’t mind the wait as I can still drive the car…. As long as I can then get it back, unchanged, until the part comes in, as they won’t set the geo back to where I want it as part of their process. I was watching and they defo had mine on the 4 wheel alignment to check as part of diagnostic , they didnt adjust anything as I only bought it a couple months ago and I imagine they would have checked it then.

So mine has been confirmed as left mount? Parts on back order from factory, so mine has been ordered this AM. Hopefully will arrive in next batch. Covered by warranty. As part of the repair they normally have to reset geo to complete the job card under warranty. But you do have the option to decline this, which I have done… as std Porsche settings would be a world away from what I’m currently running and they’d reset the front also.

Left mount same as mine. TDT said: So mine has been confirmed as left mount? Parts on back order from factory, so mine has been ordered this AM. Hopefully will arrive in next batch. Covered by warranty. As part of the repair they normally have to reset geo to complete the job card under warranty. But you do have the option to decline this, which I have done… as std Porsche settings would be a world away from what I’m currently running and they’d reset the front also.

Mine went on my 911 Turbo S (991) after a full throttle blast down a slip road. I can't tell the difference but it'll be going in under warranty when i get the chance as if nothing else, the error message every time I start it is doing my head in.

Tony B2 said: Given the rate at which they fail, and the difficulty of detecting any difference, you might almost think that they are merely there to generate extended warranty sales… It might also make you wonder if they are really worth having in the first place if the only way owners realise is the error message?

Been in today to have it confirmed, right mount faulty. On back order no idea when they will have stock, looking at around £1700 fitted. Luckily under warranty.

It looks like 718 PADM's are out of stock, anyone know if the 981 GT4's are available....design 911 had them a few weeks ago however can't see them listed now? Mine is in the dealer a week tomorrow so will also report back.

My understanding is that Porsche are trying to change supplier for this part. There will not be an update for weeks, and there is no know supply date. I collected my car last week… no point it just sitting on their compound outside waiting for some unwitting person to reverse into it and for an act of God hailstorm to befall it. All of which I’d have little to, no recourse for. I might investigate solid mount options…. Manthey did have something for the 981 GT4 development car, but don’t usually recommend them due to NVH. Edited by TDT on Tuesday 29th August 15:16

I don't recall there being an issue on the 981 ... is this a supplier issue ... hence the change ? How annoying !!!!

Hi , Can anyone definitively confirm the following 2 things : 1) If the PADM fails , does it fail in the STIFFENED position ? 2) If the PSE ( Porsche Factory Sports Exhaust-OEM ) fails , does it fail in the LOUD position ? As I only use my car for high days and holy days , if the above 2 items failed in the STIFFENED and LOUD positions respectively I would be tempted to leave them unreplaced once the warranty runs out . Can you see any problem or issue in doing that ?

Recently had the same experience with a PADM failure on my GT4. OPC advised part was on back order with no defined timeline for delivery/resolution. Raised the issue with Porsche Finance (VWFS) and registered a formal case. By chance (apparently) a part was found within days and the car was booked in for the work to be completed. On top of this VWFS provided a compensation payment plus a pro rata sum of the deposit/monthly payment for the period the issue persisted. Would highly recommend those with Porsche finance agreements to raise a case so it has an internal staff member tracking progress.

carspath said: Hi , Can anyone definitively confirm the following 2 things : 1) If the PADM fails , does it fail in the STIFFENED position ? 2) If the PSE ( Porsche Factory Sports Exhaust-OEM ) fails , does it fail in the LOUD position ? As I only use my car for high days and holy days , if the above 2 items failed in the STIFFENED and LOUD positions respectively I would be tempted to leave them unreplaced once the warranty runs out . Can you see any problem or issue in doing that ? 1. Yes typically. These could be coded out after the initial warranty period. 2. No they can seize in either position, or the solenoid can fail. A seized valve in the open position will fail the open / close cycle and won't sound as good. Bear in mind that it is generally easy to prevent, moisture at cold start sits in the mechanism so use your car regularly. Many Porsche owners like to wash their car on the drive, cold start and park in the garage for extended periods.

Econpro1 said: Recently had the same experience with a PADM failure on my GT4. OPC advised part was on back order with no defined timeline for delivery/resolution. Raised the issue with Porsche Finance (VWFS) and registered a formal case. By chance (apparently) a part was found within days and the car was booked in for the work to be completed. On top of this VWFS provided a compensation payment plus a pro rata sum of the deposit/monthly payment for the period the issue persisted. Would highly recommend those with Porsche finance agreements to raise a case so it has an internal staff member tracking progress. Excellent. Will pursue

Econpro1 said: Recently had the same experience with a PADM failure on my GT4. OPC advised part was on back order with no defined timeline for delivery/resolution. Raised the issue with Porsche Finance (VWFS) and registered a formal case. By chance (apparently) a part was found within days and the car was booked in for the work to be completed. On top of this VWFS provided a compensation payment plus a pro rata sum of the deposit/monthly payment for the period the issue persisted. Would highly recommend those with Porsche finance agreements to raise a case so it has an internal staff member tracking progress. I have done exactly the same. Took 3 months to get my part. I am with vwfs as well so hopefully will get a similar result. I don’t see why I should have to pay for a car with a known fault for that length of time. I have also written to Porsche uk and asked them to extend my warranty as this is a well documented fault.

A few have suggested (including on this thread) that the delay could be due to a redesign or sourcing a more reliable supplier. If this is the case I can wait as the car is imo completely unaffected and I'd rather they replace once with a part that is hopefully improved.

Don’t hold your breath ! These failures have been going on for years. I have had three failures on two cars in five years and they were occurring a long time before my first !

testdrive said: carspath said: Hi , Can anyone definitively confirm the following 2 things : 1) If the PADM fails , does it fail in the STIFFENED position ? 2) If the PSE ( Porsche Factory Sports Exhaust-OEM ) fails , does it fail in the LOUD position ? As I only use my car for high days and holy days , if the above 2 items failed in the STIFFENED and LOUD positions respectively I would be tempted to leave them unreplaced once the warranty runs out . Can you see any problem or issue in doing that ? 1. Yes typically. These could be coded out after the initial warranty period. 2. No they can seize in either position, or the solenoid can fail. A seized valve in the open position will fail the open / close cycle and won't sound as good. Bear in mind that it is generally easy to prevent, moisture at cold start sits in the mechanism so use your car regularly. Many Porsche owners like to wash their car on the drive, cold start and park in the garage for extended periods. Just had a seized valve replaced for £170 from local indy. Mine failed in the closed position

Econpro1 said: Recently had the same experience with a PADM failure on my GT4. OPC advised part was on back order with no defined timeline for delivery/resolution. Raised the issue with Porsche Finance (VWFS) and registered a formal case. By chance (apparently) a part was found within days and the car was booked in for the work to be completed. On top of this VWFS provided a compensation payment plus a pro rata sum of the deposit/monthly payment for the period the issue persisted. Would highly recommend those with Porsche finance agreements to raise a case so it has an internal staff member tracking progress. Good point, will have to give them a call, thanks.

cseven said: A few have suggested (including on this thread) that the delay could be due to a redesign or sourcing a more reliable supplier. If this is the case I can wait as the car is imo completely unaffected and I'd rather they replace once with a part that is hopefully improved. WG said: Don’t hold your breath ! These failures have been going on for years. I have had three failures on two cars in five years and they were occurring a long time before my first ! Yeah… I’m not expecting that the design will be changed or the quality improved. I think the switch is literally just about who can manufacture the part and have it readily available.

Milnsey said: Just had a seized valve replaced for £170 from local indy. Mine failed in the closed position That sounds like a vacuum actuator replacement at that price rather than the valve which is integral to the exhaust.

Test drive - thank you for your very informative and knowledgeable input - terribly valuable . Milney - Thank you too . Please could you tell me who your local Indy was , and was the £170 for both the solenoid part as well as the labour ? How much is the solenoid and how much was the labour ? I was expecting a replacement cost amounting into 4 figures from an OPC !

Freakuk said: Econpro1 said: Recently had the same experience with a PADM failure on my GT4. OPC advised part was on back order with no defined timeline for delivery/resolution. Raised the issue with Porsche Finance (VWFS) and registered a formal case. By chance (apparently) a part was found within days and the car was booked in for the work to be completed. On top of this VWFS provided a compensation payment plus a pro rata sum of the deposit/monthly payment for the period the issue persisted. Would highly recommend those with Porsche finance agreements to raise a case so it has an internal staff member tracking progress. Good point, will have to give them a call, thanks. Called VWFS this morning, logged a complaint and waiting contact to discuss further.

carspath said: Test drive - thank you for your very informative and knowledgeable input - terribly valuable . Milney - Thank you too . Please could you tell me who your local Indy was , and was the £170 for both the solenoid part as well as the labour ? How much is the solenoid and how much was the labour ? I was expecting a replacement cost amounting into 4 figures from an OPC ! DRH was correct, sorry for misleading info.170 for the actuator. As it happens this didn’t solve the problem so the indy has plugged the vacuum lines leaving the valves open all the time which is fine for me

SMS update from OPC this AM. NO ETA on replacement PADM parts.

Just getting round to booking mine in under warranty this morning, have asked what availability is like...

TDT said: SMS update from OPC this AM. NO ETA on replacement PADM parts. So waht happens if you want to sell the car to an OPC with a fault that cant be sorted as Porsche dont have the parts. Also, how can you extend the porsche warranty if you keep the car? How are they going to sell that car with a dash warning light on? A similar position to my 981 GTS where the sports exhaust is out of stock for the forseeable future as well!

My OPC (Reading) said they would pre order the parts for mine without actually diagnosing the issue. Booked in for later this month. I’m going yo suggest that they call the day before and cancel…. Claiming availability issues….

TTmonkey said: My OPC (Reading) said they would pre order the parts for mine without actually diagnosing the issue. Booked in for later this month. I’m going yo suggest that they call the day before and cancel…. Claiming availability issues…. Same OPC so you will end up like me. I took the car in for diagnosis - they confirmed the failed part - processed warranty claim for the investigation and ordered part. But there is no ETA on when the part will arrive. I took the car back. No point it sitting around outside in all conditions, waiting to get reversed into on their compound, when it could be tucked up in a blanket in my garage, lol.

andygo said: So waht happens if you want to sell the car to an OPC with a fault that cant be sorted as Porsche dont have the parts. Also, how can you extend the porsche warranty if you keep the car? How are they going to sell that car with a dash warning light on? It's a good question.

Never mind selling the car to an OPC, it would fail an MOT with a dash warning showing...

Fnumber1user said: Never mind selling the car to an OPC, it would fail an MOT with a dash warning showing... It’s an information only level message, white text message, not yellow or red. No warning light is lit up. So I don’t think so…. In this case.

911 TS booked in for mid-November, earliest they could do. Annoying.

Fnumber1user said: Never mind selling the car to an OPC, it would fail an MOT with a dash warning showing... mine passed an MOT with a PADM error, it's not a red error. Porsche also very happy that you can drive the car, I did not notice any change in the car to be fair.

Just had confirmation the right mount on mine has failed and the part is on back order however there is a chance the part will be with them on Friday (this is for 981 gt4) and if it comes in they will do it then. I'll report back Friday then....assume the 981 and 718 parts are different?

Big E 118 said: JeffC said: After a 5 month wait it Looks like the mounts are finally available, had the call and my car is booked in for Friday for the new one to be fitted, service guy seems to think it is an uprated part. Mine is going in Monday. If they are fitting uprated parts are they replacing both even if only one has failed at the time of repair? Would make sense to me.... Nope just the failed part, I will have to wait for the other 2 to pack in before they will change them . All done and back home along with a £750 oil and filter change

Olderandwiser22 said: A bit of a update. Porsche GB have admitted that the mounts are faulty design and they have addressed this with a redesign. I pursued this and as a goodwill they extended my warranty for 2 years. I also pursued Porsche Finance because the repair took so long (3months). They came to an agreement with me and refunded a percentage of the 3 months finance payments. Excellent result

I almost cannot elieve that Porsche have admitted to the obvious that this ia a design fault . Please could you post what Porsche have actually said . Thank you

carspath said: I almost cannot elieve that Porsche have admitted to the obvious that this ia a design fault . Please could you post what Porsche have actually said . Thank you I had quoted in a previous reply in this tread exactly what Porsche said. The quote below is from Porsche Financial services investigation. "Your supplying retailer Porsche Centre have confirmed that a known manufacturing defect exists in regards to the engine mounts. As such that these had to be replaced in July 2023 does relate to a manufacturing defect inherent at the point of sale." Hope that helps.

Olderandwiser22 said: carspath said: I almost cannot elieve that Porsche have admitted to the obvious that this ia a design fault . Please could you post what Porsche have actually said . Thank you I had quoted in a previous reply in this tread exactly what Porsche said. The quote below is from Porsche Financial services investigation. "Your supplying retailer Porsche Centre have confirmed that a known manufacturing defect exists in regards to the engine mounts. As such that these had to be replaced in July 2023 does relate to a manufacturing defect inherent at the point of sale." Hope that helps. Other than a copy/paste do you have anything in black and white you can email? I raised the same with Porsche finance and they basically laughed it off and that was that. The good news is mine was replaced a few weeks ago now, although they did forget the 4 wheel alignment so I had to return the following week for that. Not sure why it requires an alignment for a gearbox mount, but it was FOC as it's under warranty.

Alignment because they have to bolt the bracing triangle on the rear sub-frame, and have to drop the gearbox… when they put it all back together it might be slightly shifted left or right… which changes your alignment… so they make sure its back within factory ranges… thats not the same as saying the car will actually be straight though….Another story for another day, but thats the reason.

Freakuk said: Other than a copy/paste do you have anything in black and white you can email? I raised the same with Porsche finance and they basically laughed it off and that was that. The good news is mine was replaced a few weeks ago now, although they did forget the 4 wheel alignment so I had to return the following week for that. Not sure why it requires an alignment for a gearbox mount, but it was FOC as it's under warranty. Yes I have. Have you put your complaint in writing to Porsche finance? You need to let the complaint run its course for 2 months. You can then involve the financial ombudsman. If you look on their website you will find many similar cases that they have upheld the complaints. I would include that they laughed you off. The financial ombudsman will request all the calls all letters you have sent to the finance company and will not take palming you off lightly.

Olderandwiser22 , Thank you …. the fact that you have something in writing saying that may be immensely useful for those of us awaiting our mounts to fail ( yet again ) in the near future . Could you please post that letter from Porsche … it would be most useful . Thank you

Ridiculous that now they say they have a ‘new’ part that they don’t replace/uprate both at the same time. Seeing cases of other side failing within weeks of a repair? And then now parts are on backorder again. With no ETA. This needs some kind of class action surely.

I’ve had the 2nd one go, 3 weeks after getting the first failed unit replaced on mine. Annoying to say the least.

Anyone know what the lead time is on these mounts at the moment? I’m waiting on two for a car that’s being prepped for me, and OPC says “back order”

fozzymandeus said: Anyone know what the lead time is on these mounts at the moment? I’m waiting on two for a car that’s being prepped for me, and OPC says “back order” Mine was supposed to be done last week but they hadn't ordered the part. Ordered last week and it's booked in for the first week of Jan although they said the part would be with them by 27th Dec.

Big E 118 said: Mine was supposed to be done last week but they hadn't ordered the part. Ordered last week and it's booked in for the first week of Jan although they said the part would be with them by 27th Dec. Thanks. No new P-car for Christmas for me, then! Oh well.

I have been waiting for two units since early September. My car is booked in just before Xmas - but I am not holding my breath!!

Just had notice from OPC that two PADM units have arrived for my car. To be fitted in next two weeks. Happy Days !

WG said: Just had notice from OPC that two PADM units have arrived for my car. To be fitted in next two weeks. Happy Days ! You conjured them forth with your last post! Glad it sounds like it might be sorted. Hope I don’t have to wait ages…

fozzymandeus said: You conjured them forth with your last post! Glad it sounds like it might be sorted. Hope I don’t have to wait ages… Thanks - and good luck with your new arrival - and look on the bright side, we will have the new redesigned and hopefully more durable units fitted.

If these units have been revised I assume they are changing the pair now if just one breaks?

bigtime said: If these units have been revised I assume they are changing the pair now if just one breaks? NOPE. They’ll only do the side reported as failed. Rather stupid, as i said a few posts back… but if parts are in short supply it is what is it… otherwise there would be a general recall… which they cannot really do. Edited by TDT on Thursday 7th December 18:54

WG said: fozzymandeus said: You conjured them forth with your last post! Glad it sounds like it might be sorted. Hope I don’t have to wait ages… Thanks - and good luck with your new arrival - and look on the bright side, we will have the new redesigned and hopefully more durable units fitted. Thank you! I’ve resigned myself to a “not before Christmas”. It’s languishing in a workshop with an expired MOT sadly. Hope your new mounts last well!

Mine (well just the NS one) being changed today. The part number for the replacement is 981.375.059.86 whereas the previous (02/2022 build) and OS part is 981.375.059.84. I am not sure this supports redesigned part theory, more like a revision. I left my suspension set-up with them but they will set it back to stock so I'm back up from Devon to Nuneaton last day before Christmas for Center Gravity to have the suspension restored.

gtsralph said: Mine (well just the NS one) being changed today. The part number for the replacement is 981.375.059.86 whereas the previous (02/2022 build) and OS part is 981.375.059.84. I am not sure this supports redesigned part theory, more like a revision. I left my suspension set-up with them but they will set it back to stock so I'm back up from Devon to Nuneaton last day before Christmas for Center Gravity to have the suspension restored. How long did you have to wait for the parts?

gtsralph said: Mine (well just the NS one) being changed today. The part number for the replacement is 981.375.059.86 whereas the previous (02/2022 build) and OS part is 981.375.059.84. I am not sure this supports redesigned part theory, more like a revision. I left my suspension set-up with them but they will set it back to stock so I'm back up from Devon to Nuneaton last day before Christmas for Center Gravity to have the suspension restored. I had an email from Porsche UK a month or so ago confirming that a “new version” of the PADM unit had been teased earlier this year. The extent of the changes to the “new version” is an unknown though !

fozzymandeus said: How long did you have to wait for the parts? Failed September 11 Thruxton track day. Called and reported it at lunch that day and they ordered parts then, inspection November 17 which confirmed the PIWIS report I'd sent them a couple of days after the failure. I had a chat with the Dealer Principal late November saying rennlisters were reporting max 7 days wait for parts in the USA so could I have one please and it turned up a couple of weeks later. I "high-fived" the Service manager today. No point in getting difficult with Centre, they are as frustrated as we are. One other thing, I am not sure whether having one mount fail to hard and the other in softer state is good. I don't do much mileage this time of year but I ran with PASM Sport so at least both mounts were in the same state.

fozzymandeus said: How long did you have to wait for the parts? Failed September 11 Thruxton track day. Called and reported it at lunch that day and they ordered parts then, inspection November 17 which confirmed the PIWIS report I'd sent them a couple of days after the failure. I had a chat with the Dealer Principal late November saying rennlisters were reporting max 7 days wait for parts in the USA so could I have one please and it turned up a couple of weeks later. I "high-fived" the Service manager today. No point in getting difficult with Centre, they are as frustrated as we are. One other thing, I am not sure whether having one mount fail to hard and the other in softer state is good. I don't do much mileage this time of year but I ran with PASM Sport so at least both mounts were in the same state.

gtsralph said: Failed September 11 Thruxton track day. Called and reported it at lunch that day and they ordered parts then, inspection November 17 which confirmed the PIWIS report I'd sent them a couple of days after the failure. I had a chat with the Dealer Principal late November saying rennlisters were reporting max 7 days wait for parts in the USA so could I have one please and it turned up a couple of weeks later. I "high-fived" the Service manager today. No point in getting difficult with Centre, they are as frustrated as we are. One other thing, I am not sure whether having one mount fail to hard and the other in softer state is good. I don't do much mileage this time of year but I ran with PASM Sport so at least both mounts were in the same state. Thanks, so you had to wait several weeks. I think I’m only one week into my wait… for two.

Good news you get both replaced, bad news it might take twice as long to find a pair. Good luck.

gtsralph said: Good news you get both replaced, bad news it might take twice as long to find a pair. Good luck. Allegedly it’s fixed! Handover “before Christmas”, so that’s exciting. I’ll be a two Porsche household.

Olderandwiser22 said: A bit of a update. Porsche GB have admitted that the mounts are faulty design and they have addressed this with a redesign. I pursued this and as a goodwill they extended my warranty for 2 years. I also pursued Porsche Finance because the repair took so long (3months). They came to an agreement with me and refunded a percentage of the 3 months finance payments. Just had the dreaded warning come up on my GT4. I get the car out for the first time in months so I can have a Sunday blast out on these dry roads, but about an hour into the drive, the warning came up... Owned from new, built circa April/May '22 and delivered in July '22, so it's only 18mth old and has just 1400 weekend miles on it. I'll be ringing my local OPC's in the morning to see what's what and I'll get it booked in with the one that's most receptive, but I'm hoping Porsche GB's 'acceptance' message has filtered down to all dealers by now.

Got mine fixed last year at dealer when the warning came on. Went out for a drive last weekend and the warning came on again. I assume it is the other side now. Booked it with the dealer again. Under warranty but cannot see me until march because i wanted a curtesy car.

As per my earlier posts I have now had both PADM units on my Spyder replaced. One failed in May and the other in September. I complained to Porsche GB about the failures - I also had two failures on my 718 GTS. All sorted under warranty but as a good will gesture they agreed to replace BOTH units on the Spyder so that I now have two of the redesigned units on the car. Let’s hope that they last longer than the originals !

kmpowell said: Just had the dreaded warning come up on my GT4. I get the car out for the first time in months so I can have a Sunday blast out on these dry roads, but about an hour into the drive, the warning came up... Owned from new, built circa April/May '22 and delivered in July '22, so it's only 18mth old and has just 1400 weekend miles on it. I'll be ringing my local OPC's in the morning to see what's what and I'll get it booked in with the one that's most receptive, but I'm hoping Porsche GB's 'acceptance' message has filtered down to all dealers by now. You have got to go balls deep with the complaints. You will get compensation but will have to put a few hours into getting it. I work on my time is £50 a hour and if i get it back plus compensation I am quids in. As I said porsche extended my warranty until the problem was resolved.... but that is between your dealer, porsche and yourself.

All booked in, but they can't fix the car until Feb 15th, so a month to wait.

If I were you, I would confirm availability of parts before taking your car in. I had to wait from Sept to Dec for the relevant parts.

Anyone getting their 981 padm sorted out yet? 6 months waiting now. Getting hacked off

TTmonkey said: Anyone getting their 981 padm sorted out yet? 6 months waiting now. Getting hacked off Mine was done at the start of November so they should have sorted you by now.

cseven said: Mine was done at the start of November so they should have sorted you by now. Will cause tomorrow. Thanks.

WG said: If I were you, I would confirm availability of parts before taking your car in. I had to wait from Sept to Dec for the relevant parts. Well it finally goes in tomorrow, and I just had the 24hr 'courtesy call' from the service dept to check I was still ok to drop it off in the morning... They confirmed the parts are on-site ready to be fitted, and Porsche GB have authorised to replace both sides with the new improved parts (new part numbers) regardless if only one has failed or not. So all being well I should have the car back for the weekend.

Good news !

Just found this thread. I picked up a new 718 Boxster GTS in December, delivered to my home from an OPC 200 odd miles away. Almost immediately I noticed a rattle, which sounded like it was coming from the exhaust at low idle-ish speeds. Then I was away over Christmas, the weather was crap and then back to work so didn't really drive it much, but after a lot of stop start traffic a few weeks later on a Sunday drive with the wife it was obviously not right with the rattle starting to annoy me. Got it booked in to my local OPC (after contacting the original OPC that I purchased the car from) and got the call later the day it was in to say it wasn't the exhaust but the PADM that failed (no waring light), part/s on order via warranty and it's getting fitted on the 5th of next month. At the time I had no idea what PADM was and was just happy the rattle was going, but from reading this thread....... 1. The car had the fault brand new? 2. Why didn't I get a warning light? 3. Why has nobody else mentioned a rattle?

Electronicpants said: Just found this thread. I picked up a new 718 Boxster GTS in December, delivered to my home from an OPC 200 odd miles away. Almost immediately I noticed a rattle, which sounded like it was coming from the exhaust at low idle-ish speeds. Then I was away over Christmas, the weather was crap and then back to work so didn't really drive it much, but after a lot of stop start traffic a few weeks later on a Sunday drive with the wife it was obviously not right with the rattle starting to annoy me. Got it booked in to my local OPC (after contacting the original OPC that I purchased the car from) and got the call later the day it was in to say it wasn't the exhaust but the PADM that failed (no waring light), part/s on order via warranty and it's getting fitted on the 5th of next month. At the time I had no idea what PADM was and was just happy the rattle was going, but from reading this thread....... 1. The car had the fault brand new? 2. Why didn't I get a warning light? 3. Why has nobody else mentioned a rattle? It’s doesn’t rattle. In fact it defaults to the ‘solid’ mode, ie, the sports setting. I think fibs.

kmpowell said: WG said: If I were you, I would confirm availability of parts before taking your car in. I had to wait from Sept to Dec for the relevant parts. Well it finally goes in tomorrow, and I just had the 24hr 'courtesy call' from the service dept to check I was still ok to drop it off in the morning... They confirmed the parts are on-site ready to be fitted, and Porsche GB have authorised to replace both sides with the new improved parts (new part numbers) regardless if only one has failed or not. So all being well I should have the car back for the weekend. 718 or 981?

TTmonkey said: Electronicpants said: Just found this thread. I picked up a new 718 Boxster GTS in December, delivered to my home from an OPC 200 odd miles away. Almost immediately I noticed a rattle, which sounded like it was coming from the exhaust at low idle-ish speeds. Then I was away over Christmas, the weather was crap and then back to work so didn't really drive it much, but after a lot of stop start traffic a few weeks later on a Sunday drive with the wife it was obviously not right with the rattle starting to annoy me. Got it booked in to my local OPC (after contacting the original OPC that I purchased the car from) and got the call later the day it was in to say it wasn't the exhaust but the PADM that failed (no waring light), part/s on order via warranty and it's getting fitted on the 5th of next month. At the time I had no idea what PADM was and was just happy the rattle was going, but from reading this thread....... 1. The car had the fault brand new? 2. Why didn't I get a warning light? 3. Why has nobody else mentioned a rattle? It’s doesn’t rattle. In fact it defaults to the ‘solid’ mode, ie, the sports setting. I think fibs. Brilliant. There's nothing that installs confidence in a brand and it's dealer network than buying a brand new car with a rattle followed by getting parts replaced unnecessarily, with a bit of luck I drive off and the rattle is still there. [sarcasm]On the positive side the showroom was lovely as was the coffee, the shortbread was not necessary due to overindulgence during the Christmas period, every cloud and all that.[/sarcasm]

Electronicpants said: Brilliant. There's nothing that installs confidence in a brand and it's dealer network than buying a brand new car with a rattle followed by getting parts replaced unnecessarily, with a bit of luck I drive off and the rattle is still there. [sarcasm]On the positive side the showroom was lovely as was the coffee, the shortbread was not necessary due to overindulgence during the Christmas period, every cloud and all that.[/sarcasm] You can eat your own body weight is sweet treats prior to handing over £1600 for a service. Quality.

Just an update on this, car went in, asked why no waring light and why a rattle when it's supposed to tighten, got a garbled response due to the guy not having a clue, basically. They replace the mounts to the gearbox and it's stopped the rattle, so as they say, go figure. Just happy to have it fixed, presumably this was because it was the gearbox and not the engine mounts, but how the hell they managed to sell a brand new car with a failure like that is a bit worrying.

Just found this thread as researching a possible purchase of a 981 S Am I just better off avoiding cars with Sports chrono and PADM altogether ?

the benno said: Just found this thread as researching a possible purchase of a 981 S Am I just better off avoiding cars with Sports chrono and PADM altogether ? Depends on a couple of things really…. 1. How reliable the new updated mounts are? Too early to say. 2. Are you intending to run the car with extended warranty. If yes, then 1 doesn’t matter. I had 3 go and the left bank exhaust valve jam in the 6yrs I had the car.(981 CS). Around £6.5k to replace. It was all done under warranty.. currently 2yrs warranty, £1250. 3yrs, £1870. I had a GT4 for 2yrs now… no PADM failure, YET! I’m expecting it though. I guess it all depends what you want from the car.

My 2015 GT4 had no failures whatsoever. Eight years and 35000 miles with plenty of track days and, the car never missed a beat. What a car ...

ChrisW. said: My 2015 GT4 had no failures whatsoever. Eight years and 35000 miles with plenty of track days and, the car never missed a beat. What a car ... Excellent stuff… Mines a 2016, I can only hope for no failures.

ChrisW. said: My 2015 GT4 had no failures whatsoever. Eight years and 35000 miles with plenty of track days and, the car never missed a beat. What a car ... Was your car garaged Chris? I wonder if how they are stored has anything to do with failure rate? If they get wet and stand outside etc. The mounts are quite exposed.

jackwood said: ChrisW. said: My 2015 GT4 had no failures whatsoever. Eight years and 35000 miles with plenty of track days and, the car never missed a beat. What a car ... Was your car garaged Chris? I wonder if how they are stored has anything to do with failure rate? If they get wet and stand outside etc. The mounts are quite exposed. i don’t think so. My car is always garaged (even on a wet trackday ) But still had left side failure. My 981 GT4 didnt have an issue in 36k mls of my driving over 5years. 39k mls in total.

This was my daily fun car so I would guess that for at least three quarters of its time it was not garaged ... I now have an arrangement where my daily fun is at least under cover ... hence not bothered about steel brakes ...

jackwood said: Was your car garaged Chris? I wonder if how they are stored has anything to do with failure rate? If they get wet and stand outside etc. The mounts are quite exposed. Both my 718 GTS and 718 Spyder was/is garaged and never taken out in wet weather and I had two failures on both cars so water ingress wouldn’t seem to be the issue

Maybe being too dry is the issue then…. lol. The mystery continues then. Thanks guys.

My car is garaged from September to April and still the mounts have failed. The reason they gave me was water ingress lol. I don’t drive it in the rain with the cup2 tyres on.

Does the revised part have the same or a different PN as the previous chocolate version? My OPC are saying the mounts haven’t been revised, warranty claim obvs on a well tracked 2yr old car. Expected it to happen at some point.

[ [/The original, factory fitted part number was 98137505984 and the new part number is 98137505986

When I had mine done I was told they were re-designed parts. The issue, as I believe it was with a connection to the dynamic mount and not the mount itself, the connection fails and the mount goes passive. Speculation, but it may be the mounts are exactly the same but the connections only have been re-designed?

This might be of help to those out of warranty or wanting a long term fix. https://www.ninemeistershop.com/product-page/9m-up... Edited by philj on Saturday 20th September 09:24