Anyone Sold a GT4 into Trade recently Please? - Page 5 - Boxster/Cayman - PistonHeads UK

Hi Folks, Please reply via PM if it's more appt given the question I am asking. I have been offered a very special early 911 "off-market" it will require a raid on the piggy bank and selling my manual Shark GT4 Clubsport to move on it. I've rung a couple of OPCs and checked the usual online players (dire offers as they completely ignore spec etc) - it appears that either no-one is buying or will only buy at stupid money (online portals) I know the market is soft, its the wrong time of year etc. just so I might recognise a decent offer when I see it I am interested in any actual recent selling experiences from this forum via PM please. I would be grateful if this thread didn't turn into another market/futures speculation thread (please). Thanks in advance, Kevin

Try motorway (if you haven’t) but pre prepared to have lost £20-£25k on it if you brought got anything around £100k mark. As a guide I’ve just paid £75k for Nov 2021 PDK car and I think trade on that is high 60s. Manual cars don’t seem to be shifting I’ve been watching for ages and hardly any sold Edited by P155flaps on Friday 1st December 13:44

In the market it either go SOR with the usual suspects, or try sell privately and make sure it’s 3-5k less than any trade. Not a great time to be selling all around

P155flaps said: Try motorway (if you haven’t) but pre prepared to have lost £20-£25k on it if you brought got anything around £100k mark. As a guide I’ve just paid £75k for Nov 2021 PDK car and I think trade on that is high 60s. Manual cars don’t seem to be shifting I’ve been watching for ages and hardly any sold Edited by P155flaps on Friday 1st December 13:44 Based on my experience I would avoid Motorway. Far too open to abuse by dodgy dealers.

Checked this today on a GT4 sub 1k miles at an OPC for 98k with full spec.

Anything beginning with an 8 you should seriously consider I think pending miles and year .

SV_WDC said: Aware of someone who last month sold his 981 GT4 to OPC as part of p/x for a Spyder. Haven't spoke since the deal was done but in the initial chat the sales person told him it is likely the trade-in value would be starting with a 7. That’s a cracking bid for a 981 ! Did he take it .

SV_WDC said: Aware of someone who last month sold his 981 GT4 to OPC as part of p/x for a Spyder. Haven't spoke since the deal was done but in the initial chat the sales person told him it is likely the trade-in value would be starting with a 7. They must have been offsetting the profit in the spyder. The trade to retail spread with an OPC is usually £10k. So if he was offered anything £70k+ that’s generous. If the GT4 is mint and can go straight into an OPC showroom I’d ring a few dealerships. They were actively buying stock last year but I suspect eased off now. Those online WBAC like portals are a waste of time for here cars. Give Joe at Supercar Sourcing a call. He buys and has customers waiting for certain models.

911 Virgin will give you a reasonable and fair valuation every time.

Aware of someone who last month sold his 718 GT4 to OPC as part of p/x for a Spyder. Haven't spoke since the deal was done but in the initial chat the sales person told him it is likely the trade-in value would be starting with a 7. Edited to say 718 model(!) Edited by SV_WDC on Friday 1st December 21:54

GT3cs said: That’s a cracking bid for a 981 ! Did he take it . Apologies, I meant the 718 - edited the original post

My 2021 13,500 mile GT4 PDK sold to OPC for £72,000 last month. Was offered £71,000 by a different OPC a few weeks before. A third OPC said they’d offer “about £70,000” and would call me back for specifics. Never heard from them again. I had originally used Carwow, who ‘sold’ my car to an independent for £73,500. Dealer turned up to collect (a week later than agreed), claimed the drivers door had been repainted (it hadn’t) and the tyres were wearing unevenly (they weren’t). Wanted to “do me a favour” and take it away for £70,000. Told him to Foxtrot Oscar. Avoid the Carwow service like the plague. For context. I almost bought an Emira in May. Lotus offered £81,000 trade in back then. I forgot to add. OPC had my car up for £80k - it sold within a week. Edited by neilf on Friday 1st December 23:01

neilf said: My 2021 13,500 mile GT4 PDK sold to OPC for £72,000 last month. Was offered £71,000 by a different OPC a few weeks before. A third OPC said they’d offer “about £70,000” and would call me back for specifics. Never heard from them again. I had originally used Carwow, who ‘sold’ my car to an independent for £73,500. Dealer turned up to collect (a week later than agreed), claimed the drivers door had been repainted (it hadn’t) and the tyres were wearing unevenly (they weren’t). Wanted to “do me a favour” and take it away for £70,000. Told him to Foxtrot Oscar. Avoid the Carwow service like the plague. For context. I almost bought an Emira in May. Lotus offered £81,000 trade in back then. I forgot to add. OPC had my car up for £80k - it sold within a week. Edited by neilf on Friday 1st December 23:01 Very similar to my experience of Motorway. It's too easy for dealers to bid "high" thereby giving them sole access to the car, then try to b***s**t their way to a lower price.

neilf said: My 2021 13,500 mile GT4 PDK sold to OPC for £72,000 last month. Was offered £71,000 by a different OPC a few weeks before. A third OPC said they’d offer “about £70,000” and would call me back for specifics. Never heard from them again. I had originally used Carwow, who ‘sold’ my car to an independent for £73,500. Dealer turned up to collect (a week later than agreed), claimed the drivers door had been repainted (it hadn’t) and the tyres were wearing unevenly (they weren’t). Wanted to “do me a favour” and take it away for £70,000. Told him to Foxtrot Oscar. Avoid the Carwow service like the plague. For context. I almost bought an Emira in May. Lotus offered £81,000 trade in back then. I forgot to add. OPC had my car up for £80k - it sold within a week. Edited by neilf on Friday 1st December 23:01 Many thanks for this, it’s exactly the kind of info I was hoping for.

Happy to pm you the direct contact details of the jct600 porsche trade buyer who I sold my shark blue pdk 718 gt4 to last year. Sold a few cars to him over the years. Always found him very helpful. GLWTS

Give Karl Meyer a call. He's a buyer for Porsche OPCs and has bought a couple of cars off me at very good money over the last couple of years https://www.theporschebuyer.com . He's also worked on my behalf buying a couple of cars too. Highly recommended

asbi said: Many thanks for this, it’s exactly the kind of info I was hoping for. Just for a bit of balance, I sold a BMW M135I via Carwow a couple of weeks back and the dealer came over checked the car and paid the price straight into my account. Easy transaction and more money than I was expecting, more than Carlow suggested more than Motorway and more than WBAC. In this market a very positive result. Shows each case is different you cannot make across the board decisions based on one transaction. Also another contact worth a call is Geoff Wong who is a buyer for Dick Lovett based at Porsche Bristol.

We have bought a few 718 GT4 in the trade in the last week or so starting from £68k for manuals and mid £70s for PDK

GT4RS said: Happy to pm you the direct contact details of the jct600 porsche trade buyer who I sold my shark blue pdk 718 gt4 to last year. Sold a few cars to him over the years. Always found him very helpful. GLWTS that would be great, many thanks.

worldwidewebs said: Give Karl Meyer a call. He's a buyer for Porsche OPCs and has bought a couple of cars off me at very good money over the last couple of years https://www.theporschebuyer.com . He's also worked on my behalf buying a couple of cars too. Highly recommended Thanks willdo, I think he has an advert in Porsche Post too....

Essential said: We have bought a few 718 GT4 in the trade in the last week or so starting from £68k for manuals and mid £70s for PDK If that's the current market I'll hang on to it - thx tho' as I appreciate the reference point which was the objective of this post.

Armitage.Shanks said: They must have been offsetting the profit in the spyder. The trade to retail spread with an OPC is usually £10k. So if he was offered anything £70k+ that’s generous. If the GT4 is mint and can go straight into an OPC showroom I’d ring a few dealerships. They were actively buying stock last year but I suspect eased off now. Those online WBAC like portals are a waste of time for here cars. Give Joe at Supercar Sourcing a call. He buys and has customers waiting for certain models. Many thanks.

asbi said: Many thanks for this, it’s exactly the kind of info I was hoping for. Thought so. Plenty on here love to tell you how great they are at selling cars when they’ve made a profit. Not so forthcoming when they are losing. A bit of honesty helps us all.

asbi said: GT4RS said: Happy to pm you the direct contact details of the jct600 porsche trade buyer who I sold my shark blue pdk 718 gt4 to last year. Sold a few cars to him over the years. Always found him very helpful. GLWTS that would be great, many thanks. Just sent you his direct contact details.

Many thx!

I've been making some enquiries recently about p/x my 981 GT4 at a couple of OPCs. As a guide i'd say find whatever they have for sale that looks like your car and knock 10-15k off. East London were very helpful and sent me a screenshot of a WBAC valuation at 44k. That was the end of that conversation.

Hey guys, when do you think the best time to buy will be? I have wanted a PDK GT4 for quite a while and think the time maybe coming up.

plynchy said: I've been making some enquiries recently about p/x my 981 GT4 at a couple of OPCs. As a guide i'd say find whatever they have for sale that looks like your car and knock 10-15k off. East London were very helpful and sent me a screenshot of a WBAC valuation at 44k. That was the end of that conversation. If it’s a Clubsport I’d be interested

plynchy said: I've been making some enquiries recently about p/x my 981 GT4 at a couple of OPCs. As a guide i'd say find whatever they have for sale that looks like your car and knock 10-15k off. East London were very helpful and sent me a screenshot of a WBAC valuation at 44k. That was the end of that conversation. I achieved about 8k more than a trade px offer for mine by selling privately. Lots of cars for sale Currently and the drop on 718 GT4 is quite pronounced

This post has really helped so thx for all submissions both public and pm - I’ve concluded that I’ll keep mine as I’m not taking a significant needless loss. I have a first world problem for which I’m very grateful - I either buy a nice restored ‘72 911T and keep the GT4 or sell it and buy a superb original ‘72 911S…..neither is a hardship tbh :-)

plynchy said: <snip> East London were very helpful and sent me a screenshot of a WBAC valuation at 44k. That was the end of that conversation. An OPC trade buyer tried a similar “WBAC are about as good as it gets” ploy initially when buying back my 18 month old Cayman 2.0. It turned out they actually wanted the car, and within 10 minutes the conversation had changed quite a bit. You can’t really blame them, I bet they are incentivised on the difference between buying and selling prices. This is probably not the right time of year for them to really be feeling it… Liam

Geoff39GL said: Just for a bit of balance, I sold a BMW M135I via Carwow a couple of weeks back and the dealer came over checked the car and paid the price straight into my account. Easy transaction and more money than I was expecting, more than Carlow suggested more than Motorway and more than WBAC. In this market a very positive result. Shows each case is different you cannot make across the board decisions based on one transaction. Also another contact worth a call is Geoff Wong who is a buyer for Dick Lovett based at Porsche Bristol. I also had a very positive experience with Carwow earlier this year, I sold my 2014 Range Rover Sport for £4k more than WBAC were offering, the dealer came 1 week later, payed the money into my account and left all with in 1/2 hour of arriving. He also sold it on 1 week later for £4k more....so win win all-round really.

Sub £60k now. A lot of car for the money. Great colour. Private sale so I suspect a bit of movement on price. https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202311214...

KyloRen said: Hey guys, when do you think the best time to buy will be? I have wanted a PDK GT4 for quite a while and think the time maybe coming up. I don't think you can go wrong in now or in Jan, the market isn't crashing, its just removing the covid inflation and getting back to normal, They won't keep dropping but will be cheaper than they used to be over the last few years.

I agree, and now well track and race proven ... much cheaper fun than a GT3 and with the front and back boots, much more practical. There are a lot of tuning options as well ... I looked yesterday at the "best value" GT4RS I could find and it had £34k of extras, most of which were fripperies ... at £165k, more than £100k more than the suggested car and how much more fun ? More like how much more risk if a person plans to use it on track ... and how much uselessly faster if planning to use it on the road? ... but still nice

JayK12 said: I don't think you can go wrong in now or in Jan, the market isn't crashing, its just removing the covid inflation and getting back to normal, They won't keep dropping but will be cheaper than they used to be over the last few years. ChrisW. said: I agree, and now well track and race proven ... much cheaper fun than a GT3 and with the front and back boots, much more practical. There are a lot of tuning options as well ... I looked yesterday at the "best value" GT4RS I could find and it had £34k of extras, most of which were fripperies ... at £165k, more than £100k more than the suggested car and how much more fun ? More like how much more risk if a person plans to use it on track ... and how much uselessly faster if planning to use it on the road? ... but still nice Totally agree with both of these lads!. GT4 really is a sweet spot for performance, fun, practically and cost/value - and lots of good deals to be had now for 981 and 718. Mine is in the shop for winter refresh.. All it needs is new pads, air filters and transmission oil flush. Had trays and bumper taken off for a checkover and clean out. Some new boots going on and then she’s ready for start of 2024 season. PCGB trackday prices are somewhat ‘remarkable’ however, so I'll be back on the continent and other UK TDOs for most days. Edited by TDT on Tuesday 5th December 12:39

TDT said: JayK12 said: I don't think you can go wrong in now or in Jan, the market isn't crashing, its just removing the covid inflation and getting back to normal, They won't keep dropping but will be cheaper than they used to be over the last few years. ChrisW. said: I agree, and now well track and race proven ... much cheaper fun than a GT3 and with the front and back boots, much more practical. There are a lot of tuning options as well ... I looked yesterday at the "best value" GT4RS I could find and it had £34k of extras, most of which were fripperies ... at £165k, more than £100k more than the suggested car and how much more fun ? More like how much more risk if a person plans to use it on track ... and how much uselessly faster if planning to use it on the road? ... but still nice Totally agree with both of these lads!. GT4 really is a sweet spot for performance, fun, practically and cost/value - and lots of good deals to be had now for 981 and 718. Mine is in the shop for winter refresh.. All it needs is new pads, air filters and transmission oil flush. Had trays and bumper taken off for a checkover and clean out. Some new boots going on and then she’s ready for start of 2024 season. PCGB trackday prices are somewhat ‘remarkable’ however, so I'll be back on the continent and other UK TDOs for most days. Edited by TDT on Tuesday 5th December 12:39 Agree and the 718 is looking like a better buy right now and subjectively the "better" all round car. Look forward to joining you next year on some track days in the german family wagon haha.

Agreed on the P trackday prices ... I've booked the seven I wanted ... two of them taking older cars to open their gills and keep them going well ... for the other five I'll be using the GT4. £3k !! I've found Javelin to be very good ... I've a credit with RMA ... ??? 981 v. 718 ? The extra power of the 718 is good and would cost £10k ish to add to a 981, ... it is quite a lot heavier with some unwanted items such as the particulate filter, but the only choice if you want PDK and for flat changes and gearing that could be worth 10% over a manual ?? Less involving on the road but ??? I have far too much invested in my 981 but I can't complain about the total depreciation for the eight years of fun that I've had ... and it is a sorted car which is as cheap to run as any in this performance category ... and much cheaper than most to "put at risk"

i got 62500 for my 981, buckets and ceramics and other good items. If you looking to sell the shark blue still drop me message

JayK12 said: TDT said: JayK12 said: I don't think you can go wrong in now or in Jan, the market isn't crashing, its just removing the covid inflation and getting back to normal, They won't keep dropping but will be cheaper than they used to be over the last few years. ChrisW. said: I agree, and now well track and race proven ... much cheaper fun than a GT3 and with the front and back boots, much more practical. There are a lot of tuning options as well ... I looked yesterday at the "best value" GT4RS I could find and it had £34k of extras, most of which were fripperies ... at £165k, more than £100k more than the suggested car and how much more fun ? More like how much more risk if a person plans to use it on track ... and how much uselessly faster if planning to use it on the road? ... but still nice Totally agree with both of these lads!. GT4 really is a sweet spot for performance, fun, practically and cost/value - and lots of good deals to be had now for 981 and 718. Mine is in the shop for winter refresh.. All it needs is new pads, air filters and transmission oil flush. Had trays and bumper taken off for a checkover and clean out. Some new boots going on and then she’s ready for start of 2024 season. PCGB trackday prices are somewhat ‘remarkable’ however, so I'll be back on the continent and other UK TDOs for most days. Edited by TDT on Tuesday 5th December 12:39 Agree and the 718 is looking like a better buy right now and subjectively the "better" all round car. Look forward to joining you next year on some track days in the german family wagon haha. U boys keep luvin and justifying yer Gt4,we all know they are just a stop gap until yer next 911 I just looked at pcgb track days,prices are nuts.Lotus on track do some great days including spa at sensible cost and well run.

Armitage.Shanks said: Sub £60k now. A lot of car for the money. Great colour. Private sale so I suspect a bit of movement on price. https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202311214... Wow, I was expecting the mileage to be considerably more given the price! 5 owners I guess, including the track day company. Edited by WayOutWest on Tuesday 5th December 17:44

jhowlett said: i got 62500 for my 981, buckets and ceramics and other good items. If you looking to sell the shark blue still drop me message Pm sent

Yellow491 said: U boys keep luvin and justifying yer Gt4,we all know they are just a stop gap until yer next 911 I might let a GT 911 in the fleet at some point,... see what all this fuss is about! Lol. Yellow491 said: I just looked at pcgb track days,prices are nuts.Lotus on track do some great days including spa at sensible cost and well run. You’re not wrong!

Second the LoT recommendation, have done a few days with them and they are extremely well ran with a great bunch of drivers.

They have certainly made me very welcome when I've booked with them. My only problem was noise at Zolder ... not their fault !!

WayOutWest said: Wow, I was expecting the mileage to be considerably more given the price! 5 owners I guess, including the track day company. Edited by WayOutWest on Tuesday 5th December 17:44 Are you being serious about the track day company? I know someone who’s looking at this car so any info on this is appreciated

ChrisW. said: I agree, and now well track and race proven ... much cheaper fun than a GT3 and with the front and back boots, much more practical. There are a lot of tuning options as well ... I looked yesterday at the "best value" GT4RS I could find and it had £34k of extras, most of which were fripperies ... at £165k, more than £100k more than the suggested car and how much more fun ? More like how much more risk if a person plans to use it on track ... and how much uselessly faster if planning to use it on the road? ... but still nice TDT said: Totally agree with both of these lads!. GT4 really is a sweet spot for performance, fun, practically and cost/value - and lots of good deals to be had now for 981 and 718. Mine is in the shop for winter refresh.. All it needs is new pads, air filters and transmission oil flush. Had trays and bumper taken off for a checkover and clean out. Some new boots going on and then she’s ready for start of 2024 season. PCGB trackday prices are somewhat ‘remarkable’ however, so I'll be back on the continent and other UK TDOs for most days. Edited by TDT on Tuesday 5th December 12:39 Thank you guys, think I am going to hold out for a couple of months and then look to bite the bullet.

Armitage.Shanks said: Sub £60k now. A lot of car for the money. Great colour. Private sale so I suspect a bit of movement on price. https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202311214... I haven’t looked very carefully, but did I notice no climate control, and plastic dashboard? I think those might be contributing to the value for money, so if you don’t want those, probably a good time to “fill yer boots”. Liam

ChrisW. said: They have certainly made me very welcome when I've booked with them. My only problem was noise at Zolder ... not their fault !! I think I did Spa with them with you many years ago when you had your Cayman R? Had a px lap in it, very nearly puked. Was a double header Spa/Zandvoort. Had an interesting beer/curry trip into Haarlem, lovely place.

ChrisW. said: Agreed on the P trackday prices ... I've booked the seven I wanted ... two of them taking older cars to open their gills and keep them going well ... for the other five I'll be using the GT4. £3k !! I've found Javelin to be very good ... I've a credit with RMA ... ??? 981 v. 718 ? The extra power of the 718 is good and would cost £10k ish to add to a 981, ... it is quite a lot heavier with some unwanted items such as the particulate filter, but the only choice if you want PDK and for flat changes and gearing that could be worth 10% over a manual ?? Less involving on the road but ??? I have far too much invested in my 981 but I can't complain about the total depreciation for the eight years of fun that I've had ... and it is a sorted car which is as cheap to run as any in this performance category ... and much cheaper than most to "put at risk" I've been out of the game since Covid Chris, I sold the Radical and the GTS moved house and had to kids in that time! But i looked at track days and from premium vendors I used to run with they were a bit of a shock! However I ran the Radical with RMA mostly and I liked their overtake both sides rule and it worked. I also used OpenTrack who people would consider a lower end vendor and I found the track manners and etiquette much better than some more expensive ones. I was just comparing the 981 vs 718 as in terms of price, if the gaps gets closer, naturally you would start thinking. I'm still in the 981 camp, cant believe TDT went to the darkside

Yellow491 said: JayK12 said: TDT said: JayK12 said: I don't think you can go wrong in now or in Jan, the market isn't crashing, its just removing the covid inflation and getting back to normal, They won't keep dropping but will be cheaper than they used to be over the last few years. ChrisW. said: I agree, and now well track and race proven ... much cheaper fun than a GT3 and with the front and back boots, much more practical. There are a lot of tuning options as well ... I looked yesterday at the "best value" GT4RS I could find and it had £34k of extras, most of which were fripperies ... at £165k, more than £100k more than the suggested car and how much more fun ? More like how much more risk if a person plans to use it on track ... and how much uselessly faster if planning to use it on the road? ... but still nice Totally agree with both of these lads!. GT4 really is a sweet spot for performance, fun, practically and cost/value - and lots of good deals to be had now for 981 and 718. Mine is in the shop for winter refresh.. All it needs is new pads, air filters and transmission oil flush. Had trays and bumper taken off for a checkover and clean out. Some new boots going on and then she’s ready for start of 2024 season. PCGB trackday prices are somewhat ‘remarkable’ however, so I'll be back on the continent and other UK TDOs for most days. Edited by TDT on Tuesday 5th December 12:39 Agree and the 718 is looking like a better buy right now and subjectively the "better" all round car. Look forward to joining you next year on some track days in the german family wagon haha. U boys keep luvin and justifying yer Gt4,we all know they are just a stop gap until yer next 911 I just looked at pcgb track days,prices are nuts.Lotus on track do some great days including spa at sensible cost and well run. I already jumped ship mate, to a twin turbo with no indicators (shouldn't be to hard to guess lol)..............would fancy another Porsche at some point.

plynchy said: ChrisW. said: They have certainly made me very welcome when I've booked with them. My only problem was noise at Zolder ... not their fault !! I think I did Spa with them with you many years ago when you had your Cayman R? Had a px lap in it, very nearly puked. Was a double header Spa/Zandvoort. Had an interesting beer/curry trip into Haarlem, lovely place. Yes that was great fun ... I keep many lasting memories in the photos I take ... remember this one ? It was an advertisement for a radio station on a bus stop in Harlem ! P.S. I'm very glad that you managed to hang-on

JayK12 said: I'm still in the 981 camp, cant believe TDT went to the darkside When you come out in it, on track... you'll get it!

JayK12 said: ChrisW. said: Agreed on the P trackday prices ... I've booked the seven I wanted ... two of them taking older cars to open their gills and keep them going well ... for the other five I'll be using the GT4. £3k !! I've found Javelin to be very good ... I've a credit with RMA ... ??? 981 v. 718 ? The extra power of the 718 is good and would cost £10k ish to add to a 981, ... it is quite a lot heavier with some unwanted items such as the particulate filter, but the only choice if you want PDK and for flat changes and gearing that could be worth 10% over a manual ?? Less involving on the road but ??? I have far too much invested in my 981 but I can't complain about the total depreciation for the eight years of fun that I've had ... and it is a sorted car which is as cheap to run as any in this performance category ... and much cheaper than most to "put at risk" I've been out of the game since Covid Chris, I sold the Radical and the GTS moved house and had to kids in that time! But i looked at track days and from premium vendors I used to run with they were a bit of a shock! However I ran the Radical with RMA mostly and I liked their overtake both sides rule and it worked. I also used OpenTrack who people would consider a lower end vendor and I found the track manners and etiquette much better than some more expensive ones. I was just comparing the 981 vs 718 as in terms of price, if the gaps gets closer, naturally you would start thinking. I'm still in the 981 camp, cant believe TDT went to the darkside Judging by results I should say that it's working for him Porsche did a good job with the new engine ...

JayK12 said: I already jumped ship mate, to a twin turbo with no indicators (shouldn't be to hard to guess lol)..............would fancy another Porsche at some point. Well you've got me on that ... no indicators must surely be a track car ?

ChrisW. said: Well you've got me on that ... no indicators must surely be a track car ? Maybe a BMW/Audi??

ChrisW. said: JayK12 said: I already jumped ship mate, to a twin turbo with no indicators (shouldn't be to hard to guess lol)..............would fancy another Porsche at some point. Well you've got me on that ... no indicators must surely be a track car ? Or a BMW

TDT said: JayK12 said: I'm still in the 981 camp, cant believe TDT went to the darkside When you come out in it, on track... you'll get it! Never happening..........cause i'll want one haha.

PinkHouse said: ChrisW. said: JayK12 said: I already jumped ship mate, to a twin turbo with no indicators (shouldn't be to hard to guess lol)..............would fancy another Porsche at some point. Well you've got me on that ... no indicators must surely be a track car ? Or a BMW See it was easy haha. BMW M2 Competition. Its a great car but I've struggled enjoying the engine after being mostly an NA guy, but I am getting used to it. Its not standard (exterior is), I had Ohlins but gone to KW now, adjustable top mounts etc, rsl29s, lines, fluid. Its a manual and has a CAE ultra shifter and Cobra made me a Nogaro bucket and matched with rest of the interior as I kept the OEM passenger seat so if I want people in the back I still can. Its got a big boot too. Litchfield did a great job with the the map, its so linear and punches to the redline 530hp/530lbft, and its very useable on PS4S let alone CUP2. Feels light and aglie and very playful on corner entry and exit, im guessing thats down to the short wheelbase, and the turn is very quick. Making some chassis tweaks, over the winter, want to ensure its useable road car as well as fun / track toy. Just resisting buying a set of AP brakes for it at the mo! It's no GT4, but i needed back seats and a boot on the odd occasion or so I thought, but right now I'm enjoying it and tinkering. Edited by JayK12 on Wednesday 6th December 13:59

_Bandit_ said: WayOutWest said: Wow, I was expecting the mileage to be considerably more given the price! 5 owners I guess, including the track day company. Edited by WayOutWest on Tuesday 5th December 17:44 Are you being serious about the track day company? I know someone who’s looking at this car so any info on this is appreciated No, sorry, joking. Apologies if it is anyone on here selling. I'd certainly be doing my due diligence on this or any other though.

JayK12 said: PinkHouse said: ChrisW. said: JayK12 said: I already jumped ship mate, to a twin turbo with no indicators (shouldn't be to hard to guess lol)..............would fancy another Porsche at some point. Well you've got me on that ... no indicators must surely be a track car ? Or a BMW See it was easy haha. BMW M2 Competition. Its a great car but I've struggled enjoying the engine after being mostly an NA guy, but I am getting used to it. Its not standard (exterior is), I had Ohlins but gone to KW now, adjustable top mounts etc, rsl29s, lines, fluid. Its a manual and has a CAE ultra shifter and Cobra made me a Nogaro bucket and matched with rest of the interior as I kept the OEM passenger seat so if I want people in the back I still can. Its got a big boot too. Litchfield did a great job with the the map, its so linear and punches to the redline 530hp/530lbft, and its very useable on PS4S let alone CUP2. Feels light and aglie and very playful on corner entry and exit, im guessing thats down to the short wheelbase, and the turn is very quick. Making some chassis tweaks, over the winter, want to ensure its useable road car as well as fun / track toy. Just resisting buying a set of AP brakes for it at the mo! It's no GT4, but i needed back seats and a boot on the odd occasion or so I thought, but right now I'm enjoying it and tinkering. [Img]https://thumbsnap.com/i/UqKJdjzH.jpg[/thumb] Edited by JayK12 on Wednesday 6th December 13:59 Sounds epic, what's it like on consumables given the weight penalty compared with the GT4?

asbi said: This post has really helped so thx for all submissions both public and pm - I’ve concluded that I’ll keep mine as I’m not taking a significant needless loss. I have a first world problem for which I’m very grateful - I either buy a nice restored ‘72 911T and keep the GT4 or sell it and buy a superb original ‘72 911S…..neither is a hardship tbh :-) Thanks to all who have contacted me regarding this post. I have decided that given the state of the market and my unrealistic price expectations I will keep the GT4 and embrace it's capabilities rather than moaning about it (those that know me well on here know what I'm talking about :-)) Thanks to all and all the best for the festive and 2024!

Sorry for potentially highjacking your thread, but is it realistic that we will see £55k 981 GT4s in the next 6 months?

Percy. said: Sorry for potentially highjacking your thread, but is it realistic that we will see £55k 981 GT4s in the next 6 months? I think it would be a low spec one with higher miles. Trade bids are poor at the mo, market is slow but spring it usually picks up.

PinkHouse said: JayK12 said: PinkHouse said: ChrisW. said: JayK12 said: I already jumped ship mate, to a twin turbo with no indicators (shouldn't be to hard to guess lol)..............would fancy another Porsche at some point. Well you've got me on that ... no indicators must surely be a track car ? Or a BMW See it was easy haha. BMW M2 Competition. Its a great car but I've struggled enjoying the engine after being mostly an NA guy, but I am getting used to it. Its not standard (exterior is), I had Ohlins but gone to KW now, adjustable top mounts etc, rsl29s, lines, fluid. Its a manual and has a CAE ultra shifter and Cobra made me a Nogaro bucket and matched with rest of the interior as I kept the OEM passenger seat so if I want people in the back I still can. Its got a big boot too. Litchfield did a great job with the the map, its so linear and punches to the redline 530hp/530lbft, and its very useable on PS4S let alone CUP2. Feels light and aglie and very playful on corner entry and exit, im guessing thats down to the short wheelbase, and the turn is very quick. Making some chassis tweaks, over the winter, want to ensure its useable road car as well as fun / track toy. Just resisting buying a set of AP brakes for it at the mo! It's no GT4, but i needed back seats and a boot on the odd occasion or so I thought, but right now I'm enjoying it and tinkering. [Img]https://thumbsnap.com/i/UqKJdjzH.jpg[/thumb] Edited by JayK12 on Wednesday 6th December 13:59 Sounds epic, what's it like on consumables given the weight penalty compared with the GT4? It's not bad to be honest, tyres are 19" and i run 255 front 265 rear. Can go 275 rear but the car feels more darty like this. Brakes i the major concern with BMW M cars, always has been. However supposedly they did ok with the F series cars. For road its fine, i think on track it could do with AP's up front. Friends who track theirs said my setup with Lines, Fluid and Pagid RS29s would be sufficient for a couple of track days a year and I can add cooling ducts front and rear to help (the cooling is poor). So I'll try with that. I think mine being a manual is around 1620KG, shes a fatty, but it honestly feels so light on its toes compared to the M4/M3, you'd think it was 1400KG. You can shave 100kg out of them pretty quickly, but I'm not going down that route, as I like to use the car on the road too. My last tracl car was a Radical SR3 RSX so everything is going to feel like a boat compared. Shes certainly not sluggish 530lbft, 3000rpm feels so strong, pins you. It will be around 550hp/550lbft as I'm removing the OPFs and 2nd CATS and Litchfield will retune, it doesn't need more power but with 3 selectable maps, you might aswell. I did have the lighter CS Wheels on it but they've gone. Think about dropping to 18s. I'd say running costs similar if not cheaper, but its half the price of a GT4 to buy to start with. Edited by JayK12 on Wednesday 6th December 21:51

I think that 55k is very likely on 981s myself. Ashgood have a decent spec 718 for 73k today so private sale 981s need to be cheaper by a fair margin. Spring will stop the slide but I don’t think values will actually recover any lost ground.

The Ashgood car looks a nice spec, wonder what they must have paid for it. Mid 60s?

I’ve recently let go a Oct 22 718 GT4 (list £93k) with 4K miles , for £80k for a quick easy sale . I was regretting the decision in the following days thinking Id been a bit hasty and the market wasn’t that bad , but its looking about right now if I’m honest . Maybe a couple of £k low but not miles away .

JayK12 said: Percy. said: Sorry for potentially highjacking your thread, but is it realistic that we will see £55k 981 GT4s in the next 6 months? I think it would be a low spec one with higher miles. Trade bids are poor at the mo, market is slow but spring it usually picks up. In this market everything is possible ... there are a couple of things supporting 981 value ... only around 500 in the market compared to around 1100 718's ... the 981 can at a cost be tuned to be close to the 718 pace and it does still have the "race" engine which is well proven, it is lighter and it does not have the particulate filter which some dislike, but it is only manual so if you are looking for a PDK the 718 or 718RS are the only option. Incidentally, there will soon be 200 ? 718RS in the market, 10% of which appear to be for sale at the moment. Of the GT4's, there are currently 25 981 GT4's and 97 718 GT4's for sale ...

ChrisW. said: In this market everything is possible ... there are a couple of things supporting 981 value ... only around 500 in the market compared to around 1100 718's ... the 981 can at a cost be tuned to be close to the 718 pace and it does still have the "race" engine which is well proven, it is lighter and it does not have the particulate filter which some dislike, but it is only manual so if you are looking for a PDK the 718 or 718RS are the only option. Incidentally, there will soon be 200 ? 718RS in the market, 10% of which appear to be for sale at the moment. Of the GT4's, there are currently 25 981 GT4's and 97 718 GT4's for sale ... Thankyou both. I have been watching the values for around 6 months, not close to a position to purchase yet as have just sold my one car S4 Avant to release some cash for a house move. The intention being that once we move house and have more driveway space & garage, I can run an everyday work car for client visits plus a weekend fun car. GT4 is currently number one on the list. I just wondered with the 718 GT4 coming down in price, pushing down the 981 GT4, is there a point where they will just not drop any more? £60-65k still looks exceptional value for what the GT4 offers.

One of the things pulling secondhand prices up is the increase in new car costs and some of the new technology which a purist may prefer not to have ... and technology which is either most of the time invisible or unhelpful and /or expensive when it goes wrong. I sometimes think that manufacturers may include cheap technology at a high price for the end customer to have repaired, just to justify their extended warranties. Would Porsche do that ... ? I'm sure that they try very hard to not have problems with PDK gearboxes, though there were the 981 gearbox replacements due to a change in spec and the Porsche policy on gearbox issues is replacement rather than repair, at a cost, This may be more to do with the way in which modern motor mechanics are trained ... but it's a big plus for the very good independent Porsche specialists who really value their time served engineers and to whom these engineers seem to gravitate. All IMHO !

Percy. said: Sorry for potentially highjacking your thread, but is it realistic that we will see £55k 981 GT4s in the next 6 months? It's six of one and half a dozen of the other when you wait for a price point to be reached. You limit yourself to always looking for the lowest priced cars advertised which 'usually' means they're the lowest spec, highest mileage and probably need several items refreshed soon after you've bought it. You can easily find yourself spending £5K on brakes and tyres a few months after you've bought a GT4 if the seller has been holding off on replacing them! The other side of the waiting game is you wait 6 months and then decide they might drop in price more. So you wait another 6 months. And then another 6 months. And all of a sudden you've waited 2 years and the cars will be 2 years older and getting on for being 10 years old and will need more refreshing and will still cost the best part of £60K to buy. In my opinion the 981 GT4 has already reached it's low point and won't be going much lower than high 50s. Just like the Cayman R reached its low point of just underr £40K six years ago. And they're now at least 12 years old! So my advice would be if you want a 981 GT4, go for it now

I can’t see them dropping too much more in last few weeks I bit at mid 70s for a decent spec (pccb, bucket, Bose, carbon, extended leather etc) PDK Nov 21 car with fresh service and 2 years warranty for 75k. Crack on and enjoy I say &#128077;&#127995;

Back to original base list price. Goes to show these cars represent incredible performance value

TDT said: Back to original base list price. Goes to show these cars represent incredible performance value Outstanding value cars 8 years and still holding near new list price or a 8-10k drop depending on spec. The current drop in 718 GT4 prices is down to market condition but will firm up as everything has got its bottom value, if you are in it for the long term you've got nothing to worry about and they are a good purchase . Let’s face it in 6 years or less you not be able to buy any new NA cars!

This is a good indicator of where the 718 GT4 market is at must have been high 60s trade or SOR https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202312084...

GT4P said: This is a good indicator of where the 718 GT4 market is at must have been high 60s trade or SOR https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202312084... Wow that's a great buy!

TDT said: Back to original base list price. Goes to show these cars represent incredible performance value As most will have seen I've been playing the game of "what if" on a GT4RS now that they can be had for a very little above list for a very little used car. I've gone the full circle of the RS suspension limitations and cabin noise, looked then at 992GT3's as a step up which fall into the same price and value category, and the question I just can't get away from .... is why would any sane person want to spend the extra £100k ? The GT4RS is not even as "finished" as my own 981 GT4 ... and the 718 GT4 of the spec suggested at £75k is such a wonderful thing for both every day and trackdays. In terms of pace, yes the GT3 and GT4RS are faster, but learning to drive better and making the most of a GT4 is worth a large proportion of the difference between them and the GT4, and in terms of the practicalities and running costs, there is no contest. Centre lock wheels are a PITA, extra boot space is useful, the GT4 feels smaller everywhere, insurance is much cheaper, .... and the willingness to self insure so not "blackmailed" over the cost and choice of trackday insurance / trackday operators / potential repair options should that be required .... is very liberating. It does mean that you can spend your money on developing yourself and the car as you wish, and it also means that there is far less at risk at a much lower cost to repair, should your ambition ever exceed your ability .... It's also much easier if / when one is not fully tuned in, to have a slow trackday and just enjoy the cars and the company ... Edited by ChrisW. on Tuesday 12th December 10:25

ChrisW. said: As most will have seen I've been playing the game of "what if" on a GT4RS now that they can be had for a very little above list for a very little used car. I've gone the full circle of the RS suspension limitations and cabin noise, looked then at 992GT3's as a step up which fall into the same price and value category, and the question I just can't get away from .... is why would any sane person want to spend the extra £100k ? The GT4RS is not even as "finished" as my own 981 GT4 ... and the 718 GT4 of the spec suggested at £75k is such a wonderful thing for both every day and trackdays. In terms of pace, yes the GT3 and GT4RS are faster, but learning to drive better and making the most of a GT4 is worth a large proportion of the difference between them and the GT4, and in terms of the practicalities and running costs, there is no contest. Centre lock wheels are a PITA, extra boot space is useful, the GT4 feels smaller everywhere, insurance is much cheaper, .... and the willingness to self insure so not "blackmailed" over the cost and choice of trackday insurance / trackday operators / potential repair options should that be required .... is very liberating. It does mean that you can spend your money on developing yourself and the car as you wish, and it also means that there is far less at risk at a much lower cost to repair, should your ambition ever exceed your ability .... It's also much easier if / when one is not fully tuned in, to have a slow trackday and just enjoy the cars and the company ... Edited by ChrisW. on Tuesday 12th December 10:25 Totally agree Chris had my 981 GT4 for 19 months now,I call mine a GT4 Touring as it has 18 way seats dual climate and carbon pack etc and PS4s as I daily/ weekly mine. The Porsche warranty runs to May24 and will be renewed as its a no brainer. The only car i would replace it with is a 718 GT4 PDK ,which would probably be my last Porker after6 and keeper as I am not interested in an EV version. I shall be watching the market with interest over the next couple of years!!

Only a few GT4’s on the Porsche site and the few I’ve checked are listed at higher than original purchase price. I have a MY2023 GT4 book price of £108k fully specd and don’t expect any real depreciation over the next 5 years for a car now discounted. I won’t be paying another £80k for RS version. Also a new GTS decent spec is £95k. I would of thought the GT4 price would sit nearer the middle of the two

Augustash said: Only a few GT4’s on the Porsche site and the few I’ve checked are listed at higher than original purchase price. I have a MY2023 GT4 book price of £108k fully specd and don’t expect any real depreciation over the next 5 years for a car now discounted. I won’t be paying another £80k for RS version. Also a new GTS decent spec is £95k. I would of thought the GT4 price would sit nearer the middle of the two It doesn’t matter what price cars are listed at, it’s what people are willing to pay. RS is a different car altogether.

MannyLon said: Augustash said: Only a few GT4’s on the Porsche site and the few I’ve checked are listed at higher than original purchase price. I have a MY2023 GT4 book price of £108k fully specd and don’t expect any real depreciation over the next 5 years for a car now discounted. I won’t be paying another £80k for RS version. Also a new GTS decent spec is £95k. I would of thought the GT4 price would sit nearer the middle of the two It doesn’t matter what price cars are listed at, it’s what people are willing to pay. RS is a different car altogether. Lightly used gt4 rs cars are already trading in the £140k bracket, only downwards from here. I can see nice higher spec 718 gt4 bottoming out around £70k. The 718 gt4 is a great car at list to your spec. Mines been sold on twice since I sold it, last time it was retailed by a opc it was below list price. Depreciation is to be expected.

GT4RS said: Lightly used gt4 rs cars are already trading in the £140k bracket, only downwards from here. I can see nice higher spec 718 gt4 bottoming out around £70k. The 718 gt4 is a great car at list to your spec. Mines been sold on twice since I sold it, last time it was retailed by a opc it was below list price. Depreciation is to be expected. This is my GT4 Now it’s discontinued supply / demand will take over with no new cars coming to market. High spec versions will continue to demand premium price point imo

GT4RS said: Lightly used gt4 rs cars are already trading in the £140k bracket, only downwards from here. I can see nice higher spec 718 gt4 bottoming out around £70k. The 718 gt4 is a great car at list to your spec. Mines been sold on twice since I sold it, last time it was retailed by a opc it was below list price. Depreciation is to be expected. How do you know what price cars are trading at? Work in the trade or use a tool?

Motorway is a good guide to trade in prices or what a dealer will offer px

MannyLon said: GT4RS said: Lightly used gt4 rs cars are already trading in the £140k bracket, only downwards from here. I can see nice higher spec 718 gt4 bottoming out around £70k. The 718 gt4 is a great car at list to your spec. Mines been sold on twice since I sold it, last time it was retailed by a opc it was below list price. Depreciation is to be expected. How do you know what price cars are trading at? Work in the trade or use a tool? Used to be in the motor trade. But nowadays I can only go off my personal experience of selling the eight 2 to 4 year old Porsches that we have owned. As a rule the porsche centres I have used have always looked to make £10 to 15k margin (less warranty and prep) on a car if taking it in on a Px. Obviously the greater the value of the car and the larger their outlay and they will look to make greater numbers due to the higher risks involved. If we use the gt4rs as an example and they way dealers seem to be slashing prices recently. Your Px figure is going to reflect this, personally I can’t see there being any great losses if you bought new, but if you bought at overs it may hurt a little if you need to sell. The gt4rs is an interesting one, I’m shocked how quickly the prices have dropped from the early 200k mark. I personally thought they would have held better for longer. Either way I personally think all new porsche Gt cars are a great buy at list, even if they have started to depreciate slowly.

GT4P said: Motorway is a good guide to trade in prices or what a dealer will offer px Agree

GT4RS said: Used to be in the motor trade. But nowadays I can only go off my personal experience of selling the eight 2 to 4 year old Porsches that we have owned. As a rule the porsche centres I have used have always looked to make £10 to 15k margin (less warranty and prep) on a car if taking it in on a Px. Obviously the greater the value of the car and the larger their outlay and they will look to make greater numbers due to the higher risks involved. If we use the gt4rs as an example and they way dealers seem to be slashing prices recently. Your Px figure is going to reflect this, personally I can’t see there being any great losses if you bought new, but if you bought at overs it may hurt a little if you need to sell. The gt4rs is an interesting one, I’m shocked how quickly the prices have dropped from the early 200k mark. I personally thought they would have held better for longer. Either way I personally think all new porsche Gt cars are a great buy at list, even if they have started to depreciate slowly. Yea, interest rates slowed the market which caused price reductions. Interesting to see what spring / summer bring..

Armitage.Shanks said: They must have been offsetting the profit in the spyder. The trade to retail spread with an OPC is usually £10k. So if he was offered anything £70k+ that’s generous. If the GT4 is mint and can go straight into an OPC showroom I’d ring a few dealerships. They were actively buying stock last year but I suspect eased off now. Those online WBAC like portals are a waste of time for here cars. Give Joe at Supercar Sourcing a call. He buys and has customers waiting for certain models. Thanks for the kind recommendation.

_Superleggera_ said: Armitage.Shanks said: They must have been offsetting the profit in the spyder. The trade to retail spread with an OPC is usually £10k. So if he was offered anything £70k+ that’s generous. If the GT4 is mint and can go straight into an OPC showroom I’d ring a few dealerships. They were actively buying stock last year but I suspect eased off now. Those online WBAC like portals are a waste of time for here cars. Give Joe at Supercar Sourcing a call. He buys and has customers waiting for certain models. Thanks for the kind recommendation. Interesting.. As there's quite a few 718 GT4 advertised at dealers at just under £75k you'd think there might be a few more private sales going on at high sixties/seventy k thus netting the vendor an extra few grand, ( if they were offered trade price of £65k ). I guess a lot of people may choose to loose that difference for the sake of an easy sale but if the car still has OPC warranty then there'd not be much difference for the buyer looking at privately advertised cars at £69k vs via dealer at £74k but private vendor could make themselves £4k more..? I'm looking to buy a car at around £65k - £70k max but currently thinking my choice is really 981 as there's no privately advertised 718's below £70k

Edmundo2 said: _Superleggera_ said: Armitage.Shanks said: They must have been offsetting the profit in the spyder. The trade to retail spread with an OPC is usually £10k. So if he was offered anything £70k+ that’s generous. If the GT4 is mint and can go straight into an OPC showroom I’d ring a few dealerships. They were actively buying stock last year but I suspect eased off now. Those online WBAC like portals are a waste of time for here cars. Give Joe at Supercar Sourcing a call. He buys and has customers waiting for certain models. Thanks for the kind recommendation. Interesting.. As there's quite a few 718 GT4 advertised at dealers at just under £75k you'd think there might be a few more private sales going on at high sixties/seventy k thus netting the vendor an extra few grand, ( if they were offered trade price of £65k ). I guess a lot of people may choose to loose that difference for the sake of an easy sale but if the car still has OPC warranty then there'd not be much difference for the buyer looking at privately advertised cars at £69k vs via dealer at £74k but private vendor could make themselves £4k more..? I'm looking to buy a car at around £65k - £70k max but currently thinking my choice is really 981 as there's no privately advertised 718's below £70k Looks like there's a few under, ( just ), £70k starting to appear. Granted they are lower spec cars and pretty natural that cars a few years old will still be depreciating I guess but interesting when the values start to overlap with the previous model...

You only need to look at 997/991 GT3 values to see this. Huge overlap.

Offered £80k trade for my MY23 GT4 2 weeks ago

Augustash said: Offered £80k trade for my MY23 GT4 2 weeks ago Spec/mileage?

£21k options & very low mileage Options included PCCB LED’s 18 way seats Ext leather everywhere PDK Artic grey Light design pack, carbon pack Ext mirrors, air con zone Black break discs & wheels Plus other stuff & full PPF Only about 5 on the OPC site with various specs & mileage

80 seems like a pretty strong offer from trade, no?

Supply & demand will take over now over 2 years since production ceased Well spec low mileage GT4 is a lot of car vs prices of certain new cars these days Let’s see what happens moving forward now build slots for all caymans have closed

Augustash said: £21k options & very low mileage Options included PCCB LED s 18 way seats Ext leather everywhere PDK Artic grey Light design pack, carbon pack Ext mirrors, air con zone Black break discs & wheels Plus other stuff & full PPF Only about 5 on the OPC site with various specs & mileage How many miles does it have, delivery? Seems a very high offer for a car without buckets / cs and ceramics.

AllyM said: 80 seems like a pretty strong offer from trade, no? What was it against, a Taycan Turbo S?!

It does has PCCB No, it was just a simple trade sell end of

I love the way that everyone is challenging you / doubting you. Why would you make it up? I can well believe what you were offered. Are you going to sell?

I have no intention of selling it. Good examples of N/A GT4’s will get more rare by the day

Rest of the options below We have a Macan GTS and use that all the time as it’s brilliant and travel a lot so just don’t use the GT4 but it’s lovely to look at in the garage and take out now and then on the B roads Has about 600 miles on it

I’ve got to ask, because you’re clearly not short of a few quid and it seems rather obvious to me. Have you not got the income to leverage borrowing to get into this and keep it serviced until you sell the GT4 at an amenable number? Suspect the interest cost will be less than what you lose trying to shift it in the worst of timeframes.

OPC only have 6 PDK GT4s currently for sale. It looks like they are now with owners who really want them. My OPC keep asking if I want mine valued but I brought it to keep it so always decline their offer.

Agreed, my MY23 GT4 will have taken any depreciation hit now 4/5 year old cars are on many instances being offered at a similar price My GT4 won’t be going anywhere

Augustash said: Rest of the options below We have a Macan GTS and use that all the time as it s brilliant and travel a lot so just don t use the GT4 but it s lovely to look at in the garage and take out now and then on the B roads Has about 600 miles on it I'm genuinely curious about how you've only managed 600 miles in 2 years and not even managed to run it in. Is the theoretical paper valuation more important than driving enjoyment and using it as intended?

Sometimes it’s just how things play out when your away travelling, have 2/3 cars you can use & use public transport for ease Likewise not the best car for University drop off’s or travelling to sporting events around the UK Regardless of all that it’s the one Porsche i desired to own above all others and you can now only buy on the used market and i wanted to spec a GT4 how i wanted it as it was always going to be a long term keeper as the end of the NA era

What could you buy new now for the £80k ?? I think they are wonderful cars for the money ... the best Cayman R's from 2011 are bringing £50k ...

Augustash said: Sometimes it s just how things play out when your away travelling, have 2/3 cars you can use & use public transport for ease Likewise not the best car for University drop off s or travelling to sporting events around the UK Regardless of all that it s the one Porsche i desired to own above all others and you can now only buy on the used market and i wanted to spec a GT4 how i wanted it as it was always going to be a long term keeper as the end of the NA era Love the spec of your car. If you do decide to swap it for an RS please do give me a shout. Fairly confident I will be able to beat any trade deal for you. Thanks. Ben.

Cheers Ben I think i’m just going to keep my car, i’m off travelling and will keep it in the garage £80k for engineering genius just isn’t worth it Good to know it’s appreciated

Augustash said: Cheers Ben I think i m just going to keep my car, i m off travelling and will keep it in the garage £80k for engineering genius just isn t worth it Good to know it s appreciated Understood 100%. Enjoy your travels. I'll be here when/if the time comes to upgrade. Many thanks Ben.