is a 992 GT3 Touring really a Touring? - Page 5 - 911/Carrera GT - PistonHeads UK

Have had my 992 GT3 Touring for a few months, and despite the weather have had a few weekends away, and not convinced its suited to touring! Specifically went for comfy seats to enable easy access to the rear for extra luggage, and that was a good decision. Short trips are fun, but anything longer, and at reasonable speed the car is hard work as very bumpy and likes to tramline, so its not a relaxing long distant drive. Its on Cup 2's, so a recent drive in heavy rain was not pleasant, but have read these may be the cause of the bumpy ride, as hard sidewalls, and the trainlining, so is it worth a change to PZero's or MP4's before change the intended use for the Touring? Had GT3's and GT4 before, and even used 997 GT3 as a daily driver for a couple of years so its not an unexpected change, just not doing 'what it says on th tin'!

MP4Ss over P zeros if you want to reduce tramlining. The tramlining on rough roads is an unfortunate trait of double wishbones front suspension exasperated by stiff side wall tyres. Both Cup 2s and P zeros have stiffer side walls compared to MP4Ss in my experience. My Ferrari 812 also with double wishbones and P zeros tend to tramline until the tyres get properly warm.

The cars name is 911 GT3 with Touring package. It’s a GT3 first. It follows from 2.7 RS where there was a lightweight and a touring. The lightweight was the homologation car, light as possible, with comfortable options such as radio, power windows, rear seats, thick carpet, all stripped out. The touring option allow people to spec those options back in. But that was it. It was still a 2.7RS. Sounds like what people actually want is a GTS, with an NA engine…. well, Porsche built those in 997.2 and 991.1. So it’s expectations that need to be adjusted IMO, as it is exactly what it says it is … Specifically on tyres… the common opinion is that the Pirelli P Zero offers the most road friendly behaviour. not sure if there is an MPS4S for 992 GT3 at present. Edited by TDT on Thursday 2nd February 09:29

flow99 said: Have had my 992 GT3 Touring for a few months, and despite the weather have had a few weekends away, and not convinced its suited to touring! Specifically went for comfy seats to enable easy access to the rear for extra luggage, and that was a good decision. Short trips are fun, but anything longer, and at reasonable speed the car is hard work as very bumpy and likes to tramline, so its not a relaxing long distant drive. Its on Cup 2's, so a recent drive in heavy rain was not pleasant, but have read these may be the cause of the bumpy ride, as hard sidewalls, and the trainlining, so is it worth a change to PZero's or MP4's before change the intended use for the Touring? Had GT3's and GT4 before, and even used 997 GT3 as a daily driver for a couple of years so its not an unexpected change, just not doing 'what it says on th tin'! The tyre change sounds reasonable. What about having the geometry settings adjusted to your driving style and intended use?

I haven’t heard many positives with Cup2’s, get them changed and enjoy the car to the fullest.

A GT3 (991) owner I know, always says, don’t buy a GT3 as a road car only in this country, you’ll constantly be frustrated. Put it on track and then you’ll understand its purpose. I often wonder if that’s why so many have multiple, short term ownership.

CocoUK said: I haven’t heard many positives with Cup2’s, get them changed and enjoy the car to the fullest. Cup2s are mega when it's warm and dry, plus on track! They're a very focussed tyre with huge positives if used in the correct environment...

flow99 said: Have had my 992 GT3 Touring for a few months, and despite the weather have had a few weekends away, and not convinced its suited to touring! Specifically went for comfy seats to enable easy access to the rear for extra luggage, and that was a good decision. Short trips are fun, but anything longer, and at reasonable speed the car is hard work as very bumpy and likes to tramline, so its not a relaxing long distant drive. Its on Cup 2's, so a recent drive in heavy rain was not pleasant, but have read these may be the cause of the bumpy ride, as hard sidewalls, and the trainlining, so is it worth a change to PZero's or MP4's before change the intended use for the Touring? Had GT3's and GT4 before, and even used 997 GT3 as a daily driver for a couple of years so its not an unexpected change, just not doing 'what it says on th tin'! Harry's Garage and CH picked up on this with their reviews, and CH is offloading his 992 touring and keeping his 991 touring....

Maybe get the suspension tuned to your requirements. Track days users do this so I don't see any issue with making it more road biased. I would have no problem changing the springs and dampers to something more suitable. Very easy to reverse if you decide to.

Twinfan said: CocoUK said: I haven’t heard many positives with Cup2’s, get them changed and enjoy the car to the fullest. Cup2s are mega when it's warm and dry, plus on track! They're a very focussed tyre with huge positives if used in the correct environment... You’re quite right, I should have added ‘on UK roads’.

MY Daily .2 3RS , is fine , do not see the issue , just as I get older getting in and out. I think the RS is a more suitable road car as a daily with higher rear ( larger wheels ) and more comfortable ride as well as more road hump ( London ) clearance when the lift is used . Yes the other day I went down to Hampshire and it was minus degrees and icy so bit more interesting on very worn Cup 2 , but just take that into account that you may move around a bit . Only real issue was trip back I had the "handbrake" ( wife) in the car who was less comfortable with the conditions .

Cup 2's are fine in most conditions even cold the old Cup tyres were lot more interesting in cold an deluge conditions ... Had them on my 64 RS and had many butt clenching aqua planes and icy slides . Haha

I’ve had 911s for years, inc several generations of RS and GT - from 2.7RSL to 991 Touring - and it was the Touring that really crystallised my view that the modern GTs are compromised road cars in the UK, where our road surfaces and traffic conditions are generally so poor. Sports seats and ‘low noise’ road tyres do help, but I would only buy a GT3 to use on-track, or perhaps in Europe. I do about half my annual mileage in France, where most of the roads are in another league for quality and comfort, and touring or long-haul trips are actually very enjoyable. But, even there, one can only use a proportion of the available performance, with the increasingly vigilant Gendarmerie. I strongly suspect that, for all of the GT3’s excellence, a GTS or, even better, a nicely spec'd new ‘T’ would be more enjoyable, more of the time, and £100k in your pocket.

Geneve said: I’ve had 911s for years, inc several generations of RS and GT - from 2.7RSL to 991 Touring - and it was the Touring that really crystallised my view that the modern GTs are compromised road cars in the UK, where our road surfaces and traffic conditions are generally so poor. Sports seats and ‘low noise’ road tyres do help, but I would only buy a GT3 to use on-track, or perhaps in Europe. I do about half my annual mileage in France, where most of the roads are in another league for quality and comfort, and touring or long-haul trips are actually very enjoyable. But, even there, one can only use a proportion of the available performance, with the increasingly vigilant Gendarmerie. I strongly suspect that, for all of the GT3’s excellence, a GTS or, even better, a nicely spec'd new ‘T’ would be more enjoyable, more of the time, and £100k in your pocket. There's a reason why many have called the GTS the 'sweet spot'. If I remember correctly, even Harry Metcalf preferred the 992 GTS over the 992 GT3. But things like this just cements for me my choice with the 992 GTS. I haven't done a Track Day in mine yet, but I will this year along with taking it to the Ring. But I know it will be very capable having done a few PEC days and especially the way I specced it, more of a racey performance spec. Can only imagine what it would be like with Cup 2's on a track. Mine has come with Good Year Eagle F1 Supersports, which are a good fast road high performance tyre, but wouldn't probably last long on a track. But I will only do the occasional track day, mine has been bought for nice drives out and road trips. I did a trip to Germany and back in mine just a month after taking delivery and honestly, it was brilliant! I didn't feel like my back was battered or had any aches and pains, was still fresh at every stop for coffee/refuelling and the performance when giving it some was amazing. I mentioned in another thread but I hit 178mph with ease, only slowed down because of traffic. And then the way it handled around the twisties in the Eiffel mountains was amazing. My friend in his 718 GT4 was following and said he was VERY impressed with the 992 GTS, shocked in fact at the way it went! As mentioned earlier, I've done a few PEC 1/2 days at Silverstone, 3 in total. Each time I was with a different instructor and I asked them the question which is their favourite 911, 2 out of 3 said the GTS, 1 said Turbo S. Now considering they drive everything day in day out, they all said to me the general consensus amongst all the instructors is that the GTS is the best all rounder, as it can do the track days as well as touring road trips etc... And with power unit it has, it's quicker than a GT3 in the real world, I can confirm this from my point of view having driven a friend's 992 GT3 and him having driven mine, we both felt mine was quicker along the little route we had planned around the Peaks. Edited by Schuey_911 on Thursday 2nd February 12:23

Seems to be alot of people complaining the 992 GT3 is too hard for the road etc - i think people are getting confused. Its GT3 built for the track - alot of people seem to be expecting GTS drivability/comfort, its a weekend track car not a EU road trip cruiser!

Owning a 1.2 and a 2.1 Touring, i don't see why the latter should be a worse road car than the former. The 2.1 feels somewhat tighter but primarily more controlled. Did a long run with the 2.1 to the Ring and back and it was a breeze

Sure these cars are not what you'd call cossetting, but certainly a Touring is very usable even on UK roads IMO. I did 2500 miles in a couple of weeks last year in my 991, up to Skye with one of the dogs for 8 days, back home to drop him off then over to Anglesey for a track day. Road noise is the only issue on poorly surfaced roads. Perfectly highlights the 'sweet spot' of the Touring imo, under the radar when you need it to be and still fantastic on track.

Schuey_911 said: There's a reason why many have called the GTS the 'sweet spot'. If I remember correctly, even Harry Metcalf preferred the 992 GTS over the 992 GT3. But things like this just cements for me my choice with the 992 GTS. I haven't done a Track Day in mine yet, but I will this year along with taking it to the Ring. But I know it will be very capable having done a few PEC days and especially the way I specced it, more of a racey performance spec. Can only imagine what it would be like with Cup 2's on a track. Mine has come with Good Year Eagle F1 Supersports, which are a good fast road high performance tyre, but wouldn't probably last long on a track. But I will only do the occasional track day, mine has been bought for nice drives out and road trips. I did a trip to Germany and back in mine just a month after taking delivery and honestly, it was brilliant! I didn't feel like my back was battered or had any aches and pains, was still fresh at every stop for coffee/refuelling and the performance when giving it some was amazing. I mentioned in another thread but I hit 178mph with ease, only slowed down because of traffic. And then the way it handled around the twisties in the Eiffel mountains was amazing. My friend in his 718 GT4 was following and said he was VERY impressed with the 992 GTS, shocked in fact at the way it went! As mentioned earlier, I've done a few PEC 1/2 days at Silverstone, 3 in total. Each time I was with a different instructor and I asked them the question which is their favourite 911, 2 out of 3 said the GTS, 1 said Turbo S. Now considering they drive everything day in day out, they all said to me the general consensus amongst all the instructors is that the GTS is the best all rounder, as it can do the track days as well as touring road trips etc... And with power unit it has, it's quicker than a GT3 in the real world, I can confirm this from my point of view having driven a friend's 992 GT3 and him having driven mine, we both felt mine was quicker along the little route we had planned around the Peaks. Edited by Schuey_911 on Thursday 2nd February 12:23 Nope, it's completely up to personal tolerance levels, the GT3 is positively limo like compared to Pork of old which some of us grew up driving, but many newer adopters of the brand seduced by auto and cushy electronic dampers are just in the wrong car, the GTS or a regular S or Carrera will make them much happier although I'm sure the OP will not suffer too much with his Touring choice.

That_White_GT3 said: Seems to be alot of people complaining the 992 GT3 is too hard for the road etc - i think people are getting confused. Its GT3 built for the track - alot of people seem to be expecting GTS drivability/comfort, its a weekend track car not a EU road trip cruiser! Reckon on the 'frustration' largely coming from the fact that the 992 GT3 is c 75% track 25% road focused whereas the 991.2 is more like 50% 50 %.

TB993tt said: Schuey_911 said: There's a reason why many have called the GTS the 'sweet spot'. If I remember correctly, even Harry Metcalf preferred the 992 GTS over the 992 GT3. But things like this just cements for me my choice with the 992 GTS. I haven't done a Track Day in mine yet, but I will this year along with taking it to the Ring. But I know it will be very capable having done a few PEC days and especially the way I specced it, more of a racey performance spec. Can only imagine what it would be like with Cup 2's on a track. Mine has come with Good Year Eagle F1 Supersports, which are a good fast road high performance tyre, but wouldn't probably last long on a track. But I will only do the occasional track day, mine has been bought for nice drives out and road trips. I did a trip to Germany and back in mine just a month after taking delivery and honestly, it was brilliant! I didn't feel like my back was battered or had any aches and pains, was still fresh at every stop for coffee/refuelling and the performance when giving it some was amazing. I mentioned in another thread but I hit 178mph with ease, only slowed down because of traffic. And then the way it handled around the twisties in the Eiffel mountains was amazing. My friend in his 718 GT4 was following and said he was VERY impressed with the 992 GTS, shocked in fact at the way it went! As mentioned earlier, I've done a few PEC 1/2 days at Silverstone, 3 in total. Each time I was with a different instructor and I asked them the question which is their favourite 911, 2 out of 3 said the GTS, 1 said Turbo S. Now considering they drive everything day in day out, they all said to me the general consensus amongst all the instructors is that the GTS is the best all rounder, as it can do the track days as well as touring road trips etc... And with power unit it has, it's quicker than a GT3 in the real world, I can confirm this from my point of view having driven a friend's 992 GT3 and him having driven mine, we both felt mine was quicker along the little route we had planned around the Peaks. Edited by Schuey_911 on Thursday 2nd February 12:23 Nope, it's completely up to personal tolerance levels, the GT3 is positively limo like compared to Pork of old which some of us grew up driving, but many newer adopters of the brand seduced by auto and cushy electronic dampers are just in the wrong car, the GTS or a regular S or Carrera will make them much happier although I'm sure the OP will not suffer too much with his Touring choice. Along with 'candle' like headlights, heating and ventilation with a mind of it's own, no PAS, central locking or electric windows.

av185 said: That_White_GT3 said: Seems to be alot of people complaining the 992 GT3 is too hard for the road etc - i think people are getting confused. Its GT3 built for the track - alot of people seem to be expecting GTS drivability/comfort, its a weekend track car not a EU road trip cruiser! Reckon on the 'frustration' largely coming from the fact that the 992 GT3 is c 75% track 25% road focused whereas the 991.2 is more like 50% 50 %. 992GT3 is not a track car FFS, "GT model will be much more suitable for you" a quote from a Porsche exec at the Frankfurt Motorshow 2017 when I was moaning about selling my new 991.2 turbo S after 750 miles because it was boring and drove like an Audi, this of course was followed by me battering him for not being allowed to buy a GT car.

TB993tt said: av185 said: That_White_GT3 said: Seems to be alot of people complaining the 992 GT3 is too hard for the road etc - i think people are getting confused. Its GT3 built for the track - alot of people seem to be expecting GTS drivability/comfort, its a weekend track car not a EU road trip cruiser! Reckon on the 'frustration' largely coming from the fact that the 992 GT3 is c 75% track 25% road focused whereas the 991.2 is more like 50% 50 %. 992GT3 is not a track car FFS, "GT model will be much more suitable for you" a quote from a Porsche exec at the Frankfurt Motorshow 2017 when I was moaning about selling my new 991.2 turbo S after 750 miles because it was boring and drove like an Audi, this of course was followed by me battering him for not being allowed to buy a GT car. Precisely, it's a road car that can be used on the track.

GT3 is my dream car. Tried one at a Silverstone day out and it nearly removed all my filings. As a daily tricky I would say. TX.

Touring’s are great on road and track

I have just swapped a 991 gen 2 GT3 for a 992 GT3 . I don’t understand anybody who says the 992 is more track focused than 991. They must have changed the spec on new ones / mine !! As soon as I drove away from the garage the first thing you notice is how much better the 992 steering is - so silky smooth and then it is much quieter ,tyre +stones in wheel arch , transmission , ride is better - can even hear the stereo now ! The 992 is so much more polished and refined than the 991. Could just go on. Drove the 991 to Spain and it was a bit noisy but ok - the 992 will be so much better.

Cheib said: Touring’s are great on road and track But that's a proper Touring, not one of the newfangled facsimile's Looks like the day @ Le Mans, great picture

993rsr said: Cheib said: Touring’s are great on road and track But that's a proper Touring, not one of the newfangled facsimile's Looks like the day @ Le Mans, great picture It was Le Mans JC . Smiles per mile it wins the day…

av185 said: That_White_GT3 said: Seems to be alot of people complaining the 992 GT3 is too hard for the road etc - i think people are getting confused. Its GT3 built for the track - alot of people seem to be expecting GTS drivability/comfort, its a weekend track car not a EU road trip cruiser! Reckon on the 'frustration' largely coming from the fact that the 992 GT3 is c 75% track 25% road focused whereas the 991.2 is more like 50% 50 %. Think thats the problem in that the touring is not actually suitable for touring on long road journies. Its great on B roads, its acceptable on motorways but its not a good drive for A roads and dual carraigeways when driving fast and the road is not perfect. My 991.2 GT3 was better in this respect.

Advan said: I have just swapped a 991 gen 2 GT3 for a 992 GT3 . I don’t understand anybody who says the 992 is more track focused than 991. They must have changed the spec on new ones / mine !! As soon as I drove away from the garage the first thing you notice is how much better the 992 steering is - so silky smooth and then it is much quieter ,tyre +stones in wheel arch , transmission , ride is better - can even hear the stereo now ! The 992 is so much more polished and refined than the 991. Could just go on. Drove the 991 to Spain and it was a bit noisy but ok - the 992 will be so much better. I think on PH there is always the undercurrent of a lot of people (not all TBF) trying to justify their own model choice and most aren't invited to buy a GT3 at list and can't/won't afford to buy a GT3 on the open market so until it drops into their price bracket it has to be dragged down it's probably driven by envy mainly, apart from the OP who is just letting everyone know he has a GT3

It shouldn't be a surprise that removing the wing and adding chrome window trim doesn't turn a GT3 into a Bentley Continental GT.

TB993tt said: I think on PH there is always the undercurrent of a lot of people (not all TBF) trying to justify their own model choice and most aren't invited to buy a GT3 at list and can't/won't afford to buy a GT3 on the open market so until it drops into their price bracket it has to be dragged down it's probably driven by envy mainly, apart from the OP who is just letting everyone know he has a GT3 I don’t disagree but numerous road tests have said the same thing and I only know 2 people who replaced their 991s and neither liked the 992 .

flow99 said: av185 said: That_White_GT3 said: Seems to be alot of people complaining the 992 GT3 is too hard for the road etc - i think people are getting confused. Its GT3 built for the track - alot of people seem to be expecting GTS drivability/comfort, its a weekend track car not a EU road trip cruiser! Reckon on the 'frustration' largely coming from the fact that the 992 GT3 is c 75% track 25% road focused whereas the 991.2 is more like 50% 50 %. Think thats the problem in that the touring is not actually suitable for touring on long road journies. Its great on B roads, its acceptable on motorways but its not a good drive for A roads and dual carraigeways when driving fast and the road is not perfect. My 991.2 GT3 was better in this respect. Interesting observations and there we have it from someone who own/s(ed) both 991.2 and 992.

franki68 said: I don’t disagree but numerous road tests have said the same thing and I only know 2 people who replaced their 991s and neither liked the 992 . If that is down to the uber steering in the 992 then again it is down to personal preference, I never drove a 991GT3 but maybe it had gone a bit soft, certainly the 992GT3 feels simply awesomely communitative to me on all surfaces but then I like to feel all that is going on, something the aforementioned 991.2 Turbo S (my last recent non GT Porsche) couldn't do.

TB993tt said: Advan said: I have just swapped a 991 gen 2 GT3 for a 992 GT3 . I don’t understand anybody who says the 992 is more track focused than 991. They must have changed the spec on new ones / mine !! As soon as I drove away from the garage the first thing you notice is how much better the 992 steering is - so silky smooth and then it is much quieter ,tyre +stones in wheel arch , transmission , ride is better - can even hear the stereo now ! The 992 is so much more polished and refined than the 991. Could just go on. Drove the 991 to Spain and it was a bit noisy but ok - the 992 will be so much better. I think on PH there is always the undercurrent of a lot of people (not all TBF) trying to justify their own model choice and most aren't invited to buy a GT3 at list and can't/won't afford to buy a GT3 on the open market so until it drops into their price bracket it has to be dragged down it's probably driven by envy mainly, apart from the OP who is just letting everyone know he has a GT3 sadly, I couldn't care less about who knew I had a GT3 or not, as have had a few since my first new one in 2007, but that I have been very disappointed the GT3 Touring is not doing the job as intended, for me.

Ok, ok, Justification accepted, Permission granted… … If that’s what you’re looking for Just messing…. Everyone has individual preference.

It sounds to me that the 992GT3's hyper road manners is a combo of DWs, quicker steering rack and unsuitable tyres. Switcing to MP4Ss and a more road friendly geo such as more toe-in will work wonders in calming the front end down. Most modern Ferraris exhibit the same traits especially the 812 with its Rear Axle Steering.

Taffy66 said: It sounds to me that the 992GT3's hyper road manners is a combo of DWs, quicker steering rack and unsuitable tyres. Switcing to MP4Ss and a more road friendly geo such as more toe-in will work wonders in calming the front end down. Most modern Ferraris exhibit the same traits especially the 812 with its Rear Axle Steering. See RSVP's comments on the other thread. Most cars don't come up set up properly from the factory, first port of call is a geo and adjustment to what you intend to use the car for. I run my Touring with ARB full stiff for the track, change to full soft on the road and it's a massive change and takes me 15 minutes.

993rsr said: See RSVP's comments on the other thread. Most cars don't come up set up properly from the factory, first port of call is a geo and adjustment to what you intend to use the car for. I run my Touring with ARB full stiff for the track, change to full soft on the road and it's a massive change and takes me 15 minutes. Full soft F/R ARBs usually do wonders for improving bumpy road ride quality. I find that in recent Porsches I've owned leaving both ARBs in middle setting makes for a very good compromise between track and road use. My RSs are only driven on public roads to/fro track days which are all a minimum triple digit miles from my home so always settle on middle ARBs. Ferraris are even worse when they leave the factory in terms of geo with front toe out which makes for very interesting bumpy road driving.

av185 said: flow99 said: av185 said: That_White_GT3 said: Seems to be alot of people complaining the 992 GT3 is too hard for the road etc - i think people are getting confused. Its GT3 built for the track - alot of people seem to be expecting GTS drivability/comfort, its a weekend track car not a EU road trip cruiser! Reckon on the 'frustration' largely coming from the fact that the 992 GT3 is c 75% track 25% road focused whereas the 991.2 is more like 50% 50 %. Think thats the problem in that the touring is not actually suitable for touring on long road journies. Its great on B roads, its acceptable on motorways but its not a good drive for A roads and dual carraigeways when driving fast and the road is not perfect. My 991.2 GT3 was better in this respect. Interesting observations and there we have it from someone who own/s(ed) both 991.2 and 992. I prefer my 992 GT3 than my old 991.2 GT3 because it's PTS and the 991.2 wasn't.

paralla said: av185 said: flow99 said: av185 said: That_White_GT3 said: Seems to be alot of people complaining the 992 GT3 is too hard for the road etc - i think people are getting confused. Its GT3 built for the track - alot of people seem to be expecting GTS drivability/comfort, its a weekend track car not a EU road trip cruiser! Reckon on the 'frustration' largely coming from the fact that the 992 GT3 is c 75% track 25% road focused whereas the 991.2 is more like 50% 50 %. Think thats the problem in that the touring is not actually suitable for touring on long road journies. Its great on B roads, its acceptable on motorways but its not a good drive for A roads and dual carraigeways when driving fast and the road is not perfect. My 991.2 GT3 was better in this respect. Interesting observations and there we have it from someone who own/s(ed) both 991.2 and 992. I prefer my 992 GT3 than my old 991.2 GT3 because it's PTS and the 991.2 wasn't. There he doesn't have it then, again There is so much adjustment scope in the suspension, there is the ability to tailor it for folks who want to track extensively and those that just want to drive on the road. First thing I do with any new/new to me P car, get the geo done.

I have good experience of a 991.2 GT3 and very recently a 992. The 992 is incredible dynamically on a smooth surface, “better” than the 991.2. However on a bumpy B road it was a real PITA. I spent a lovely afternoon at Center Gravity yesterday getting the set up improved. They have transformed the car; I would say dynamically speaking it is now easily as good as the 991.2 on a bumpy B road. It’s transformed from a skittish roller skate into a very agile confidence inspiring thing. On the 992 GT3 thread there is a load more detail and at the risk of boring people who have already read it on there, I will not repeat myself here. flow99, as others here have said, please check your geo set up; my toe was not balanced across the axel ex factor.As such, I highly recommend that you take it to Chris or Pete at CG and after they finish with it you’ll love it, as they will adjust the settings to give you what you want from your car. (GT3’s have massive built in chassis adjustability that you can take advantage of) Hope this helps

A change of tyres will help the ride and you can dial out the tram lining - or Chris at Center Gravity will. There isn't a DSC module for the 992 (yet) and not sure if you can adjust the ride via the current Porsche module. But Chris will know. Edited by anonymous-user on Friday 3rd February 16:13

av185 said: Interesting observations and there we have it from someone who own/s(ed) both 991.2 and 992. I’ve had both too and race. My 992 is so much better than 991 on the road ,refinement , no tram lining etc etc . So strange that views are so divergent and the only explanation I can give is that the new ones must have altered geo set up etc Metcalfe did say that the next 992 Touring he drove was so much better than the first one.

Fascinating reading all these posts. I went from a 991.2 Touring to a 992 Touring and having read about the tram lining I was worried it was going to be a real issue. Having collected it in December and used it regularly since in some pretty dreadful conditions on all sorts roads, I’ve not experienced any tramlining. To me so far it’s a better all round car, cabin imo is a big step forward and feels that bit more special, enjoying the larger screen and all very easy to use. The engine feels as exciting as ever and the manual gearbox sublime. My only criticism is the tyres.. but then Cup2’s in freezing temps and torrential rain is far from ideal! So that’s next on my list to sort.

R5OHH said: Fascinating reading all these posts. I went from a 991.2 Touring to a 992 Touring and having read about the tram lining I was worried it was going to be a real issue. Having collected it in December and used it regularly since in some pretty dreadful conditions on all sorts roads, I’ve not experienced any tramlining. To me so far it’s a better all round car, cabin imo is a big step forward and feels that bit more special, enjoying the larger screen and all very easy to use. The engine feels as exciting as ever and the manual gearbox sublime. My only criticism is the tyres.. but then Cup2’s in freezing temps and torrential rain is far from ideal! So that’s next on my list to sort. I didn’t know if you can get PS4S’s for the 992 but I used them on my 991.2 GT3 in the winter and they were a brilliant compromise from a ride quality, tread depth and agility perspective

I take it all back. We set off from central London in the 992 GT3 this morning heading for the South coast and only made it one junction on the M25 then came off. It’s uncomfortably noisy on concrete roads, the expansion joints seem to resonate through the cabin, it really was nasty. Might see about getting the ARB’s set to the softest setting as suggested by RSVP911 and lowering the tyre pressures a little. I can put up with it as the driver but expecting my other half to suffer at my expense is never going to fly. Nice lunch at Oxshot in Surrey instead.

paralla said: I take it all back. We set off from central London in the 992 GT3 this morning heading for the South coast and only made it one junction on the M25 then came off. It’s uncomfortably noisy on concrete roads, the expansion joints seem to resonate through the cabin, it really was nasty. Might see about getting the ARB’s set to the softest setting as suggested by RSVP911 and lowering the tyre pressures a little. I can put up with it as the driver but expecting my other half to suffer at my expense is never going to fly. Nice lunch at Oxshot in Surrey instead. Concrete section of M25 is atrocious - it was near unbearable in my old 997 S.

Stuart70 said: Concrete section of M25 is atrocious - it was near unbearable in my old 997 S. I recently had to do that stretch in my 992 GTS, and it was absolutely terrible, I thought I had picked up a puncture or something but it was just the horrible road surface.

I am a visitor to these cars not an owner, but..I am in a manual 992 GT3 Touring right now, which is on Corsa tyres. Driving around the West Country for a couple of days. I love it. For me it’s a league above the manual GTS I had last summer, also a great car. But the engine, purity, steering, chassis on the Touring - wow. All time great. If you’re focussed on driving, rather than half thinking about driving and half thinking about other stuff, it’s phenomenal and really has blue water between this and even a manual GTS. But I wouldn’t buy one, because I don’t have the chance to drive like this very often. GTS PDK is a better day to day car for my real world. Sadly. It’s also true what someone said about it all being relative. If you’ve grown up with fast cars in the 80s and 90s, 992 GT3 is super refined, sophisticated and benign.

An update. I have to say I love the 992 GT3 touring MT on my current tour of England. I get that the GTS is faster (as is the Turbo) but speed is not that relevant. There are so many fast electric cars now. Throttle response, throttle modulation - the build in response per mm, the joy of handling, moving around in corners, the brilliant manual gearbox - at another level. The last experience I had with a GT 911 was a 991.1 GT3 RS. That was brilliantly sharp but remote, and not too enjoyable on public roads. 992 GT3 is engaging and has that feedback and feeling of mortality (rather than immortality) that make great cars. But, only if your life can be lived between 4000 and 9000 rpm on a regular basis. If my life consisted of driving between Somerset, Snowdonia and the Highlands on a daily basis, this would be one of the best cars in the world to do it in. It doesn’t need a track, but it needs that kind of stamping ground. On a more normal basis, GTS or an alternative from another manufacturer is better.

LeMaven said: An update. I have to say I love the 992 GT3 touring MT on my current tour of England. I get that the GTS is faster (as is the Turbo) but speed is not that relevant. There are so many fast electric cars now. Throttle response, throttle modulation - the build in response per mm, the joy of handling, moving around in corners, the brilliant manual gearbox - at another level. The last experience I had with a GT 911 was a 991.1 GT3 RS. That was brilliantly sharp but remote, and not too enjoyable on public roads. 992 GT3 is engaging and has that feedback and feeling of mortality (rather than immortality) that make great cars. But, only if your life can be lived between 4000 and 9000 rpm on a regular basis. If my life consisted of driving between Somerset, Snowdonia and the Highlands on a daily basis, this would be one of the best cars in the world to do it in. It doesn’t need a track, but it needs that kind of stamping ground. On a more normal basis, GTS or an alternative from another manufacturer is better. Sorry what are you trying to say,are you not contradicting yourself abit,what is blue water?

Yellow491 said: LeMaven said: An update. I have to say I love the 992 GT3 touring MT on my current tour of England. I get that the GTS is faster (as is the Turbo) but speed is not that relevant. There are so many fast electric cars now. Throttle response, throttle modulation - the build in response per mm, the joy of handling, moving around in corners, the brilliant manual gearbox - at another level. The last experience I had with a GT 911 was a 991.1 GT3 RS. That was brilliantly sharp but remote, and not too enjoyable on public roads. 992 GT3 is engaging and has that feedback and feeling of mortality (rather than immortality) that make great cars. But, only if your life can be lived between 4000 and 9000 rpm on a regular basis. If my life consisted of driving between Somerset, Snowdonia and the Highlands on a daily basis, this would be one of the best cars in the world to do it in. It doesn’t need a track, but it needs that kind of stamping ground. On a more normal basis, GTS or an alternative from another manufacturer is better. Sorry what are you trying to say,are you not contradicting yourself abit,what is blue water? Think trying to say that on the right road its brilliant, but on a poor road theres lots of other better options. Thats the big problem, we have far too many bad roads and the GT3 touring is not suited to them.

flow99 said: Think trying to say that on the right road its brilliant, but on a poor road theres lots of other better options. Thats the big problem, we have far too many bad roads and the GT3 touring is not suited to them. Pretty much the general concensus since the first press drives. Nearly all the best journos have said it including Metcalfe, Harris etc. Our UK roads are pretty much unique in terms of variable quality and catch a lot of car makers chassis engineers out. Having said that its nothing no more serious that an expert geometry shop coupled with more road biased tyres can't sort out. Really surprises me that so many enthusiasts splash out so much dosh on GT Porsches, yet baulk at paying a few hundred quid to get the geo tailor made for their specific taste and useage. I get a proper geo done on all my cars pretty much straight away after taking delivery. Edited by Taffy66 on Tuesday 14th February 09:19

said: I dont feel that having spent 150k on a new car, I should need to take a day off work, have a 200 or 300 mile round trip to a reputable geo company to put right what Porsche should get correct in the first place?

flow99 said: said: I dont feel that having spent 150k on a new car, I should need to take a day off work, have a 200 or 300 mile round trip to a reputable geo company to put right what Porsche should get correct in the first place? Factory geo/setup is always a compromise optimising against a set of requirements. If your requirements differ from the factory ones, then it makes sense to get the chassis tuned to what you are looking for.

flow99 said: I dont feel that having spent 150k on a new car, I should need to take a day off work, have a 200 or 300 mile round trip to a reputable geo company to put right what Porsche should get correct in the first place? I'm not saying that Porsche get the geo wrong per se just they have to set it up so that all owners no matter what ability can cope. All new Porsches are deliberately set up to understeer to help drivers of lesser ability cope in extremis. My RS WP was great out of the box for driving on UK roads but pretty awful for track use. It would understeer at surprisingly low speeds before snap oversteer, eroding my confidence to push hard on track. Once I got Ben at String Theory to adjust it then understeer was non existant and the RS became neutral even when over the limit. My confidence to push harder was restored. The new 992GT3 seems to have been set up differently as the front DWs have transformed the turn in and banished understeer albeit with the unfortunate side effect of tramlining and camber sniffing. It seems to behave the same way on bumpy roads on the wrong tyres as my 812SF does with the same DWs and very quick geared steering. Some people don't like this hyper reactive front end and sell the car before giving themselves time to adapt steering inputs. If someone can't adapt to its hyper nature then get a good geo shop to tame it to suit our rougher B roads. Edited by Taffy66 on Tuesday 14th February 09:52

RSVP911 said: Interesting read; honestly, just bite the bullet and take the day off and get the set up sorted to match your requirements - you really won’t regret it. My GT3 is absolutely brilliant - can’t stop driving it, absolutely love it. They are leaving the factory set up for smooth roads and track & they need a little tweak to make them “cock on” for our bumpy B roads. The car is now super agile, compliant and confidence inspiring on these roads - it really is very impressive thing You are positively throbbing with enthusiasm It's staggering folks won't in the main take a bit of time and money to get the car set up to their requirements with such a flexible suspension platform.

993rsr said: You are positively throbbing with enthusiasm It's staggering folks won't in the main take a bit of time and money to get the car set up to their requirements with such a flexible suspension platform. Lol; still waiting for the PT decals

Interesting read; honestly, just bite the bullet and take the day off and get the set up sorted to match your requirements - you really won’t regret it. My GT3 is absolutely brilliant - can’t stop driving it, absolutely love it. They are leaving the factory set up for smooth roads and track & they need a little tweak to make them “cock on” for our bumpy B roads. The car is now super agile, compliant and confidence inspiring on these roads - it really is very impressive thing. I think it cost about £400 (including removing the wheels and replacing the tyre valves from silver to black) so maybe £300 for the geo; I’m guessing. But for a car of that cost it absolutely makes sense to do this - no brainer IMHO Edited by RSVP911 on Tuesday 14th February 10:22

It’s true that you have to hang on and be aware of tramlining, but along with that comes a thrill and feel that is quite special, and clear blue water between this and a manual GTS. On a smooth roundabout exit with a straight stretch ahead, you are more aware of everything: the pendulum effect of the engine, the road surface, minor changes in camber, changes in urgency in direct proportion to changes in throttle pressure, timbre changes in revs, tiny changes in steering inputs resulting in tiny reactions. It’s both extremely refined, and highly sensitive. On a bumpy twisty B road there’s an element of bucking bronco, but the thrill is huge and unmatched by the rest of the range. And I’m driving on Corsa tyres in current temps of around 10 degrees. Of course that’s my opinion and if others have different opinions of their GT3s that is interesting to see. Speaking of the rest of the media, I note Evo and Car award it 5/5 and Top Gear 10/10. I was in an Aventador Ultimae last week and a R8 V10RWD the previous week, and for purity and thrill the GT3 beats both. Revving out the GT3 while aiming it down a curving county road requires some skill and it’s not for the lazy driver, but in terms of thrill it’s up there with a 458 Speciale - in fact I would say it has more involvement and feedback. The real brilliance is that you don’t need to be driving at highly illegal speeds in order to enjoy it, unlike the 991.1 GT3 RS I had for a while, and many other supercars. Edited by LeMaven on Tuesday 14th February 10:23

Word must be getting around - earliest they can book mine in is mid March!

flow99 said: Have had my 992 GT3 Touring for a few months, and despite the weather have had a few weekends away, and not convinced its suited to touring! Specifically went for comfy seats to enable easy access to the rear for extra luggage, and that was a good decision. Short trips are fun, but anything longer, and at reasonable speed the car is hard work as very bumpy and likes to tramline, so its not a relaxing long distant drive. Its on Cup 2's, so a recent drive in heavy rain was not pleasant, but have read these may be the cause of the bumpy ride, as hard sidewalls, and the trainlining, so is it worth a change to PZero's or MP4's before change the intended use for the Touring? Had GT3's and GT4 before, and even used 997 GT3 as a daily driver for a couple of years so its not an unexpected change, just not doing 'what it says on th tin'! To make the car less reactive at the front, try the car on comfort tyre pressures (the lower of the 2 settings) and check that the front anti roll bar is on its softest setting (the front or outermost hole). That should make a noticeable improvement for no cost. The car is tuned as standard to be rather reactive at the front end, I like it being busy in this way, but appreciate many don’t. I guess it’s an impossible task for Porsche to tune the car to suit all tastes, but would have expected the 992 touring to be tuned to be a little more compliant…. It’s got little to do with a double wishbone front suspension (many other cars have this, pretty much every McLaren) it’s all down to the way the suspension is tuned. I wouldn’t go to the expense of replacing the tyres, I’d be making some small chassis changes first to tune it to the way you want it. Many experts out there who’ll accomplish this task for the cost of a single tyre and a tank of fuel….

IREvans said: flow99 said: Have had my 992 GT3 Touring for a few months, and despite the weather have had a few weekends away, and not convinced its suited to touring! It’s got little to do with a double wishbone front suspension (many other cars have this, pretty much every McLaren) it’s all down to the way the suspension is tuned. DW suspension was invented in the mid 1930's and is ubiquitous on most performance and sports cars, so not exactly a recent invention. Also if one was to be pedantic, the 992 GT3 has only top wishbones the bottom ones are regular coffin arms although performing the same function.

nick28 said: Word must be getting around - earliest they can book mine in is mid March! You’re lucky - that’s not at all bad for them Edited by RSVP911 on Tuesday 14th February 13:35

993rsr said: DW suspension was invented in the mid 1930's and is ubiquitous on most performance and sports cars, so not exactly a recent invention. Also if one was to be pedantic, the 992 GT3 has only top wishbones the bottom ones are regular coffin arms although performing the same function. Correct. My Merc R-class has 20” wheels and double wishbones on the front axle, and I think it would be inaccurate to describe it as a camber sniffer..!

paralla said: It shouldn't be a surprise that removing the wing and adding chrome window trim doesn't turn a GT3 into a Bentley Continental GT. Pure quality comment

RSVP911 said: Interesting read; honestly, just bite the bullet and take the day off and get the set up sorted to match your requirements - you really won’t regret it. My GT3 is absolutely brilliant - can’t stop driving it, absolutely love it. They are leaving the factory set up for smooth roads and track & they need a little tweak to make them “cock on” for our bumpy B roads. The car is now super agile, compliant and confidence inspiring on these roads - it really is very impressive thing. I think it cost about £400 (including removing the wheels and replacing the tyre valves from silver to black) so maybe £300 for the geo; I’m guessing. But for a car of that cost it absolutely makes sense to do this - no brainer IMHO Edited by RSVP911 on Tuesday 14th February 10:22 I've already posted a thread about this but concur with what RSVP911 has posted. I had my 992 GT3 suspension settings changed by Center Gravity in March 2022. I first spoke to Chris at CG soon after I got the car in October 2021, he suggested my plan to change the tyres (Goodyear Supersport Rs) would help so I did that first after 1k miles to Pirelli P Zeros (not Corsa) and he was right but it was still not as I wanted. In March 2022 with another 2K miles driven the suspension settings were altered by reducing the negative camber, changing the Toe settings, adding a shim to alter the Caster settings and ARBs moved from the middle to the Soft setting. Just like RSVP911s GT3, mine is now perfect for driving on our UK roads and on a 2k mile drive around France on D roads and Switzerland's equivalent roads, it was brilliant. It's never going to be as comfy as a Carrera, or Turbo S but what I have now is, for me, the perfect 911, a Sports car with a fantastic blend of performance, handling, agility and acceptable comfort.

LeMaven said: Revving out the GT3 while aiming it down a curving county road requires some skill and it’s not for the lazy driver, but in terms of thrill it’s up there with a 458 Speciale - in fact I would say it has more involvement and feedback. Steve Sutcliffe had similar comments a few years back when he tested the 991.1 GT3 against the Speciale.

av185 said: Steve Sutcliffe had similar comments a few years back when he tested the 991.1 GT3 against the Speciale. I think the 992 GT3 is a much “better” car than the Speciale. Way more agile, tactile and engaging (particularly in manual form) - it comes alive at much lower speeds which is great for a road car. However, the Speciale is such an special event, no denying that. I guess you also have to remember the Speciale must be about 9 - 10 years older (ish) than a 992 GT3 - time flies Edited by RSVP911 on Tuesday 14th February 18:13

RSVP911 said: av185 said: Steve Sutcliffe had similar comments a few years back when he tested the 991.1 GT3 against the Speciale. I think the 992 GT3 is a much “better” car than the Speciale. Way more agile, tactile and engaging (particularly in manual form) - it comes alive at much lower speeds which is great for a road car. However, the Speciale is such an special event, no denying that. I guess you also have to remember the Speciale must be about 9 - 10 years older (ish) than a 992 GT3 - time flies Edited by RSVP911 on Tuesday 14th February 18:13 I reckon I would agree with you there Richard. One of my biggest regrets though is not buying a Speciale at discount...quite bizarre now to think a number of the last cars sat around unsold when we were taking delivery of our 991.1 GT3s ! C'est la vie ! :

av185 said: One of my biggest regrets though is not buying a Speciale at discount...quite bizarre now to think a number of the last cars sat around unsold when we were taking delivery of our 991.1 GT3s ! C'est la vie ! : How did you rate your GT2RS fella?

993rsr said: av185 said: One of my biggest regrets though is not buying a Speciale at discount...quite bizarre now to think a number of the last cars sat around unsold when we were taking delivery of our 991.1 GT3s ! C'est la vie ! : How did you rate your GT2RS fella? Seeing as you incessantly post piccies of mutts not cars even on car threads and obviously claim to be the world doggy do expert....how did you rate your Cockapoo fella?

av185 said: 993rsr said: av185 said: One of my biggest regrets though is not buying a Speciale at discount...quite bizarre now to think a number of the last cars sat around unsold when we were taking delivery of our 991.1 GT3s ! C'est la vie ! : How did you rate your GT2RS fella? Seeing as you incessantly post piccies of mutts not cars even on car threads and obviously claim to be the world doggy do expert....how did you rate your Cockapoo fella? Steady Walter or you may have to get sent off with your tail between your legs again.

Here we go again. Round 2 Ding Ding

993rsr said: av185 said: 993rsr said: av185 said: One of my biggest regrets though is not buying a Speciale at discount...quite bizarre now to think a number of the last cars sat around unsold when we were taking delivery of our 991.1 GT3s ! C'est la vie ! : How did you rate your GT2RS fella? Seeing as you incessantly post piccies of mutts not cars even on car threads and obviously claim to be the world doggy do expert....how did you rate your Cockapoo fella? Steady Walter or you may have to get sent off with your tail between your legs again. Yup likewise and it sure beats you being called out yet again by your supercillious tones and self proclaimed but fictititious and highly suspect Walter Rohlr Wannabee but actual Kings Road driving talent.

Taffy66 said: Here we go again. Round 2 Ding Ding Yep hilarious isn't he Taff.

Haha I am sure just half a pint of proper northern beer would see him bang to rights and billy big b ks no more. He's welcome anytime to disprove of course!

After another couple of days of touring in the Touring, some more thoughts. - it’s not a touring car. As has already been pointed out with the name’s origins, but the 992 is a noisy and tiring thing on a long slog, and the GT3 even more so. Gearing, engine sound (gorgeous revving to 9000) and ride. The ride is pretty tough. My wife, who is used to fast cars, would ask “are you sure it’s in Normal? Is there a “More Normal?” - I love the old fashioned 911 feeling of being on edge - on the right roads in the right weather the fluidity and finesse of the handling are very special, as is the feedback and tactility. A 992 GT3 plus point. Lovely gearbox too. - day to day, my driving life doesn’t suit this car, sadly. Not a reflection on the car. Anyway, a masterpiece.

Bertie’s unimpressed by the thread drift.

IREvans said: Correct. My Merc R-class has 20” wheels and double wishbones on the front axle, and I think it would be inaccurate to describe it as a camber sniffer..!

LeMaven said: After another couple of days of touring in the Touring, some more thoughts. - it’s not a touring car. As has already been pointed out with the name’s origins, but the 992 is a noisy and tiring thing on a long slog, and the GT3 even more so. Gearing, engine sound (gorgeous revving to 9000) and ride. The ride is pretty tough. My wife, who is used to fast cars, would ask “are you sure it’s in Normal? Is there a “More Normal?” - I love the old fashioned 911 feeling of being on edge - on the right roads in the right weather the fluidity and finesse of the handling are very special, as is the feedback and tactility. A 992 GT3 plus point. Lovely gearbox too. - day to day, my driving life doesn’t suit this car, sadly. Not a reflection on the car. Anyway, a masterpiece. Thanks and good to hear an independent unbiased review of the car.

I do remember, when the 991 Touring came out, the then prominent contributor Mr Demon used to claim that the Touring wasn’t a proper GT3. But, of course it was. It was identical, bar a different aero package, and no concessions were actually made to make it more road compliant. IIRC, the 991R was considered a better road car. Ideally, the Touring version should perhaps have a rear seat option (like the 2.7RST and 964RST) and a more comfort focussed suspension. Although, of course, we tend to judge these cars on British roads, most of which are not going to flatter a car like a GT3. Always confuses me that, in tandem, Porsche have offered the 991 ‘T’ and 992 ‘T’ where ‘T’ apparently also means ‘Touring’. And I’ve seen the suggestion in several places, inc here, that this may be a more suitable choice - so looking forward to the UK road tests, which can’t be far away.

Koln-RS said: I do remember, when the 991 Touring came out, the then prominent contributor Mr Demon used to claim that the Touring wasn’t a proper GT3. But, of course it was. It was identical, bar a different aero package, and no concessions were actually made to make it more road compliant. IIRC, the 991R was considered a better road car. Ideally, the Touring version should perhaps have a rear seat option (like the 2.7RST and 964RST) and a more comfort focussed suspension. Although, of course, we tend to judge these cars on British roads, most of which are not going to flatter a car like a GT3. Always confuses me that, in tandem, Porsche have offered the 991 ‘T’ and 992 ‘T’ where ‘T’ apparently also means ‘Touring’. And I’ve seen the suggestion in several places, inc here, that this may be a more suitable choice - so looking forward to the UK road tests, which can’t be far away. Yes, i agree, the base model T would make a better daily than a GT3 (touring or winged, 991 or 992) but i think the one area where the modern 911 is tiresome for regular road use compared to other modern cars is tyre roar/road noise and that's going to be an issue irrespective of whether 991 or 992. Ride quality is decent thanks to PASM and as far as directional stability (sniffing out cambers etc) that can be mitigated by geo and tyre choice. For me it always comes back to the din the tyres kick up, which is why i generally reach for a different set of car keys than my GT3 for ordinary road use. Agree it's a pity that they didn't homologate for rear seats, but i guess that was a big job/cost.

Koln-RS said: I do remember, when the 991 Touring came out, the then prominent contributor Mr Demon used to claim that the Touring wasn’t a proper GT3. But, of course it was. It was identical, bar a different aero package, and no concessions were actually made to make it more road compliant. IIRC, the 991R was considered a better road car. Ideally, the Touring version should perhaps have a rear seat option (like the 2.7RST and 964RST) and a more comfort focussed suspension. Although, of course, we tend to judge these cars on British roads, most of which are not going to flatter a car like a GT3. Always confuses me that, in tandem, Porsche have offered the 991 ‘T’ and 992 ‘T’ where ‘T’ apparently also means ‘Touring’. And I’ve seen the suggestion in several places, inc here, that this may be a more suitable choice - so looking forward to the UK road tests, which can’t be far away. I'd argue that the 992 GTS is the better choice for a few reasons as it comes with: - 992 Turbo/S spec suspension/chassis with the helper springs. So a sporty setup but not quite as firm as a GT3. - Bigger brakes discs and callipers from the 992 Turbo. (Carrera T comes with the same brakes as from the base Carrera, which are smaller than those on a Carrera S) - 992 GTS has enough power and torque to out run a GT3 in the real world. (Not quite as much as a Turbo S which has been described by many as too much for the road) - Specced the right way and it's the perfect all round weapon IMO. Depends on what you want, but for me I'd feel a 992 T just doesn't have enough power to make me feel "wow". Sure it will be a popular choice though.

Please, Porsche, keep the Tourings simple wingless versions of the regular GT3! That's how I love personally love them: A proper GT3 that you can get away with driving in regular traffic as it looks like a vanilla 911. If you want something softer, there are plenty of options in the Porsche catalogue

Dr S said: Please, Porsche, keep the Tourings simple wingless versions of the regular GT3! That's how I love personally love them: A proper GT3 that you can get away with driving in regular traffic as it looks like a vanilla 911. If you want something softer, there are plenty of options in the Porsche catalogue Agree totally, precisely the USP of the Touring IMO

The advantage of the T over the GTS should be the weight saving. It would need manual, pccbs and a few sensible options, but the potential saving of 100kg(?), especially unsprung, over a generously specd GTS, could be more telling than the extra bhp, in normal use.

The ride, NVH and "touring suitability" are totally individual and relative, I think the GT3/Touring, obvs exact same in these metrics, is a relatively cushy quiet easy to use, yet loads of fun, daily suitable driver, the Michelin PS4S certainly soften the harder ride/noise edges. Anyone interested in a GT3 would have to find one to try as from posts on here personal tolerances/opinions vary a lot

Geneve said: The advantage of the T over the GTS should be the weight saving. It would need manual, pccbs and a few sensible options, but the potential saving of 100kg(?), especially unsprung, over a generously specd GTS, could be more telling than the extra bhp, in normal use. I see what you're trying to say but you can also spec a GTS in the same way, manual, PCCBs, RAS etc... In fact there is a GTS 'Lightweight Package' option if one wants which includes Carbon Buckets, removal of rears seats and lightweight glass.

@OP Agree that the 992 Touring isn’t really great for touring (particularly on cup 2s), but then in ‘normal’ spec it’s not really a GT3 car either is it?

993rsr said: Dr S said: Please, Porsche, keep the Tourings simple wingless versions of the regular GT3! That's how I love personally love them: A proper GT3 that you can get away with driving in regular traffic as it looks like a vanilla 911. If you want something softer, there are plenty of options in the Porsche catalogue Agree totally, precisely the USP of the Touring IMO Needs a nice rear spoiler just to finish it off,maybe J could recommend one for you around a coffee

Slippydiff said: I'm ashamed to admit I wasn't even aware the 964 RS Touring was offered with a rear seat option (but then again I didn't consider the 964 RST to be "proper" RS either ... ) But low and behold here is a 964 RS Touring with along with its token rear seat and rather plush rear quarter panel trims : https://www.pcarmarket.com/auction/1992-porsche-91... That's just the standard rear quarters and parcel shelf from a C2 or 4 though, just without seat squabs or belts

freedman said: Slippydiff said: I'm ashamed to admit I wasn't even aware the 964 RS Touring was offered with a rear seat option (but then again I didn't consider the 964 RST to be "proper" RS either ... ) But low and behold here is a 964 RS Touring with along with its token rear seat and rather plush rear quarter panel trims : https://www.pcarmarket.com/auction/1992-porsche-91... That's just the standard rear quarters and parcel shelf from a C2 or 4 though, just without seat squabs or belts But it has aircon as well ... and sold for $348k ... !!

ChrisW. said: But it has aircon as well ... and sold for $348k ... !! That’s pretty much the going rate for 964 RS’s in the US. There is one live on BaT at the moment which is bid to $330k with a few days to go https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1992-porsche-911...

Schuey_911 said: I'd argue that the 992 GTS is the better choice for a few reasons as it comes with: - 992 Turbo/S spec suspension/chassis with the helper springs. So a sporty setup but not quite as firm as a GT3. - Bigger brakes discs and callipers from the 992 Turbo. (Carrera T comes with the same brakes as from the base Carrera, which are smaller than those on a Carrera S) - 992 GTS has enough power and torque to out run a GT3 in the real world. (Not quite as much as a Turbo S which has been described by many as too much for the road) - Specced the right way and it's the perfect all round weapon IMO. Depends on what you want, but for me I'd feel a 992 T just doesn't have enough power to make me feel "wow". Sure it will be a popular choice though. I would say the best touring 911 is actually a base or s model ,they are the most comfortable models in the range.Anything with sports/lowered suspension is too firm for a true touring car.

Is a 992 GT3 Touring really a Touring? Great tour in a Touring in this Joe Achilles vid, but a major point raised - access for bags. Surely a true touring Touring would always have a fold down passenger seat to allow access to all that lovely space for touring bags in the back? From 46.30m on: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRWlGo4Ggp8

Mega spec https://www.elferspot.com/en/car/porsche-992-gt3-t... CXX Options: 1221 Exterior mirrors painted in contrasting color 1216 "Porsche" decorative foil on the sides in HDE design 1383 Central locking wheel hub cover painted in a different color with GT3 / RS logo 1000 Individualized full bucket seats (2+0) 1005 Center console storage compartment lid customized 1016 Door sill trim CT customized with colored illumination Model designation GT3 Touring in aluminum 1031 Front trunk lined with leather 1109 Miko decorative trim in decorative finish from range (unpainted) 1110 Dashboard trim left/right leather-covered 1112 Customized rear side trim 1113 Lower part of dashboard and glove compartment in different leather in standard colors 1126 Refined window regulator trim on passenger side 1128 Customized A-pillar trim 1148 Knee pad with different leather or RaceTex upholstery 1149 Center console base customized 1163 Customized upper section of dashboard 1168 GT3 PDK gear lever and gearshift boot customized 1215 Inner sill trim in leather with decorative stitching 1217 Custom air vents in leather with slats in leather (AVJ) 1237 Customized center console footwell extension trim 1256 Leather-covered interior mirror console with decorative stitching (analogous to AVX) 1259 Leather sun visors 1280 Individual floor mats made from existing materials 1289 Leather steering column trim analogous to 2C6/2C8 1294 Fuse box cover in leather, similar to AVV 1352 Door mirror leather, three-color with quilting 1412 Carpet trim in contrasting color 1420 Seat center panels in multicolor leather 1426 Headliner (including A, B, and C pillars) in Race-Tex in different series colors (including belt outlet covers) 1432 Customized door trim 1433 Interior package in decor from range with accent strips 1490 Front seat belts in 992 series colors 1739 Sport steering wheel / GT sport steering wheel customized (special leather)

Bet that was expensive - looks good and I love the interior (not completely sure I love it in combo with the exterior, but I think it works). Shame it is not a manual

And assuming it is really Bahama Yellow, then the studio lights make it look at lot more orange than it should look in real life (at least on my iPad)

40k of options on this one